**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 21 02:59:57 2011
Oct 21 03:00:44 <darko> greetings folks... need some help if you know.     I haev two touchpads.  First installed with webos 3.0.2, installed preware and looking for a video player... found touchplayer... - minimal controls but works !
Oct 21 03:02:23 <darko> 2nd touchpad - just activated and webos 3.0.4 isntalled... first can't get all tuning options to optimize performance, etc... can't find them... perhaps feeds are down or not updated ?  Please explain.   2nd, did install touchplayer which doesn't work as acknowledge by developer.
Oct 21 03:03:36 <darko> so, do I downgrade to 3.0.2 , install tuneups, apps, etc and then upgdrade to simulare 1st touchpad or do I need to wait for rest of preware pieces to upgrade their pieces for 3.0.4 ?
Oct 21 03:03:46 <volcom45> hmm, did a stock 1.4.5 doctor and everything seems to be working perfectly on the franken pre plus.. thinking my previous transfer did the trick even though it doesn't have this other sprint users tokens in castle.xml
Oct 21 03:05:18 <darko> forgot to add... 1st touchplayer was upgraded to 3.0.4 and touchplayer still works !
Oct 21 03:06:06 <elfurbe> I asked a little earlier but I don't think anyone was here. Is there a good "backup everything" method for the Touchpad? Meaning, in the event I bork it up, rather than having to doctor and start over, be able to recover to a known-good point?
Oct 21 03:07:10 <dwc-> darko: patches are not all available in 3.0.4 yet
Oct 21 03:07:52 <harpo1> hello everyone.  Enabled the beta feeds on my TP running 3.0.4 and all went well except all my Available options are grey and the only thing Preware shows is my installed packages.  I did a full reboot, checked to make sure the directory was made and nothing.
Oct 21 03:08:19 <harpo1> directory is there.
Oct 21 03:08:38 <dwc-> so either wait a bit, or stick with 3.0.2 if you really want the patches
Oct 21 03:09:38 <harpo1> it's not the patches I'm worried about.  It's not showing any available apps anymore either.
Oct 21 03:10:31 <dwc-> that was to darko
Oct 21 03:10:49 <harpo1> sorry
Oct 21 03:11:01 <dwc-> harpo1: when you do an update feeds, do you see it downloading and updating the feeds?
Oct 21 03:11:10 <harpo1> yes
Oct 21 03:11:47 <harpo1> well actually all it says is scanning unknown packages
Oct 21 03:11:48 <dwc-> all of the ones you have enabled?
Oct 21 03:11:48 <darko> thnks dwc.   is my 2nd approach doable ?  ie downgrade using webdoctor to 3.0.2, install preware and all apps,etc, then upgrade to webos 3.0.4 ?
Oct 21 03:12:32 <dwc-> darko: the apps should be available in 3.0.2 or 3.0.4, with some few exceptions, but yes, you can do that... it's the patches that won't be available
Oct 21 03:13:31 <harpo1> It says loading for a split second then goes to scanning unknown packages
Oct 21 03:14:35 <darko> thanks... so it's just finding the webos 3.0.2 and the proper instructions to downgrade.   In your opinion is it better to work with a 3.0.2 to 3.0.4 upgraded webos or a clean 3.0.4 webos (I'm thinking of windows upgrade carrying baggage)
Oct 21 03:16:41 <dwc-> I think a clean 3.0.4 is probably better... but I assume the OTA update is pretty decently tested... I'm not aware of any issues with either though
Oct 21 03:17:39 <darko> ok thanks dwc... finally, where are best instructions to downgrade to 3.0.2 -- assuming using webdoctor ?
Oct 21 03:18:48 <dwc-> harpo1: not sure no real clue... maybe try toggling the feeds off and on or reinstalling preware?
Oct 21 03:18:54 <dwc-> just use the 3.0.2 doctor
Oct 21 03:19:34 <dwc-> elfurbe: backing up everything isn't too hard... but I'm not aware of a good restore methof for what you're talking about
Oct 21 03:20:19 <harpo1> I'll try reinstalling preware.
Oct 21 03:20:39 <elfurbe> That's fair. Just thought I'd ask before I keep mucking about with the thing until it breaks :D
Oct 21 03:30:01 <rwhitby> You now a good way to get the patches you need for 3.0.4 ?  Send a donation to specific patch authors, marking it clearly as a donation in advance appreciation of that patch being updated for 3.0.4 ;)
Oct 21 03:30:09 <rwhitby> s/now/know/
Oct 21 03:30:09 <infobot> rwhitby meant: You know a good way to get the patches you need for 3.0.4 ?  Send a donation to specific patch authors, marking it clearly as a donation in advance appreciation of that patch being updated for 3.0.4 ;)
Oct 21 03:30:32 <rwhitby> (make sure you send it to the patch authors, not WebOS Internals)
Oct 21 03:37:12 <Joosca77> I keep getting an error when I do a git clone for meta-doctor can someone help
Oct 21 03:38:16 <harpo1> I deleted the beta feeds using the command line and reinstalled Preware and I'm still not seeing any Available Packages.  When I select update it goes right to Scanning unknown packages
Oct 21 03:38:22 <Joosca77>  git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git Initialized empty Git repository in /home/chukillz/meta-doctor/.git/ git.webos-internals.org[0: 140.211.169.177]: errno=Connection refused fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused)
Oct 21 03:41:42 <dwc-> Joosca77: it's working for me at the moment....
Oct 21 03:41:44 <volcom45> rwhitby: still around?
Oct 21 03:41:44 <dwc-> same IP
Oct 21 03:41:45 <dwc-> try again?
Oct 21 03:41:51 <dwc-> maybe a temporary failure?
Oct 21 03:42:12 <Joosca77> dwc-: still no go... weird
Oct 21 03:42:29 <rawdr> works for me as well
Oct 21 03:43:02 <volcom45> so if i did a franken sprint pre plus awhile back and everything was fine and dandy, and i just swapped a relatives sprint pre comm board into it, and its working fine with just the stock 1.4.5 doctor, am I good? Or should I be concerned of some necessities missing from her tokens?
Oct 21 03:44:04 <Joosca77> rawdr, dwc- any idea what might be causing my hickup?
Oct 21 03:44:22 <rawdr> does the meta-doctor directory already exist?
Oct 21 03:44:34 <Jack87> negative
Oct 21 03:44:39 <Jack87> first time
Oct 21 03:44:40 <dwc-> not really... firewall?
Oct 21 03:44:58 <dwc-> strace your git clone and post it and let's see if that tells us anything
Oct 21 03:45:45 <Jack87> dwc-: what command should i run for that
Oct 21 03:46:31 <dwc-> strace -o foo.out git clone ....
Oct 21 03:46:46 <dwc-> you can see if telnet git.webos-internals.org 9418 gives you an error too
Oct 21 03:48:14 <Jack87> chukillz@chukillz-VUbuntu:~$ strace -o git.webos-internals.org git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git  Initialized empty Git repository in /home/chukillz/meta-doctor/.git/ git.webos-internals.org[0: 140.211.169.177]: errno=Connection refused fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused)
Oct 21 03:48:32 <Jack87> chukillz@chukillz-VUbuntu:~$ telnet git.webos-internals.org 9418 Trying 140.211.169.177... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
Oct 21 03:48:42 <Jack87> this isnt being very nice
Oct 21 03:49:14 <dwc-> ok, so I guess you don't need to paste the contents of the strace anymore, if telnet says no, there's not much to be done from your system's end...
Oct 21 03:50:08 <Jack87> thanks will play more
Oct 21 03:59:49 <actionfigure> :)
Oct 21 04:00:36 <actionfigure> dwc-: hiya
Oct 21 04:45:05 <harpo1> I have read the rules and I was being a dumb ass and forgot to turn wifi on.  DWC thanks for your help and sorry to bother you.
Oct 21 04:48:24 <ka6sox> PatrickC_Away, what were you doing when you blew up that Pre3?
Oct 21 05:39:16 <dwc-> harpo1: lol, no problem... glad you got it figured out
Oct 21 05:40:32 <ka6sox> hiya dwc-
Oct 21 05:41:50 <dwc-> hey, how's it going
Oct 21 05:45:59 <ka6sox> bit better...whole day wasted...but I am alive still...they didn't kill me.
Oct 21 05:47:32 <evilhomer> 3.0.4 update?
Oct 21 05:47:46 <dwc-> well, still alive, that's not a bad start
Oct 21 05:48:00 <ka6sox> not able to take nurishment yet.
Oct 21 05:48:14 <dtzWill> ka6sox: :(
Oct 21 05:48:16 <dwc-> oh, what happened?
Oct 21 05:48:42 <ka6sox> ever watch "House"
Oct 21 05:48:54 <dwc-> yea
Oct 21 05:49:03 <dwc-> lupus?
Oct 21 05:49:12 <ka6sox> I ran into House's Evil Twin Sister today.
Oct 21 05:51:19 <dwc-> a bunch of tests that turned out to be wrong?
Oct 21 05:51:20 <wrea> lol
Oct 21 05:51:32 <dwc-> because it hadn't been 50 minutes yet? :p
Oct 21 05:58:36 <bhuey> did novacom break with the latest Apple Lion update ?
Oct 21 06:11:40 <rwhitby> you do need the latest from opensource.palm.com
Oct 21 06:20:18 <bhuey> rwhitby: it's not even showing up in my USB listings
Oct 21 06:21:43 <bhuey> makes me wonder if I should take this or not to a Mac store to get it checked out
Oct 21 06:23:00 <bhuey> it's not even asking me for a USB mount
Oct 21 06:23:11 <bhuey> bad
Oct 21 06:23:19 <dwc-> already tried rebooting, right?
Oct 21 06:23:24 <ka6sox> did it work before?
Oct 21 06:23:29 <bhuey> no yet
Oct 21 06:23:36 <bhuey> I have tried to reboot earlier no effect
Oct 21 06:25:41 <bhuey> no effect
Oct 21 06:26:42 <mputtr> hi, I have some questions about keyboard layouts
Oct 21 06:40:51 <mputtr> anyone have experience in editing json files for keyboard layouts?
Oct 21 06:59:27 <mputtr> anyone have experience in editing json files for keyboard layouts?
Oct 21 07:41:18 <technikfreak> hey where i could find the game ashpalt 6 for preware
Oct 21 07:43:39 <ghostinator> app catalog only, you have to buy it. we don't pirate software here like other OS's. We show our respect for devs by buying their work or donating money for there hard work
Oct 21 07:43:55 <technikfreak> ok
Oct 21 07:49:01 <ghostinator> on webos 3.0.4, preware text seems off white and the animations sort of flicker a bit. did they change the font to something less bold? its weird
Oct 21 07:59:49 <ghostinator> so my touchpad has been dragging lately. webappmgr shows high cpu usage with nothing running but one card with xterm with top running. its overclocked to 1.836 GHz using F15C kernel. it was flying earlier before using skype. rebooted and problem persists.
Oct 21 07:59:49 <ghostinator> . weird
Oct 21 08:00:56 <ghostinator> on a performance governor btw, so its not a funky ondemand setup.
Oct 21 08:02:06 <dtzWill> ghostinator: a)are you on the beta-apps/alpha-apps feeds, and does this happen when running xterm?
Oct 21 08:02:16 <ghostinator>  also has weird brightness changes. this is on a fresh install after deleting all partitions and making the doctor start from complete scratch
Oct 21 08:02:26 <dtzWill> latest build has lots of debug logging that might explain some sluggishness
Oct 21 08:03:05 <ghostinator> on both feeds, happens regardless of xterm is running or not. I just ran xterm so I could run top and track down what is using so much juice
Oct 21 08:03:39 <dtzWill> okay. just making sure that wasn't your issue :)
Oct 21 08:04:00 <ghostinator> I am running the true 3.0.4 f15c kernel as well, not the one from 3.0.2 sources
Oct 21 08:05:10 <ghostinator> browserserver also likes to use 50+ percent while having a card open but with flash ads I think that's reasonable
Oct 21 08:06:21 <ghostinator> but webappmgr is using 26% avail ram which seems high just for one process compared to lunasysmgr only using 10%
Oct 21 08:09:32 <Freman> "chatting with Peter" on the webos mobile chat thing.... about inductive charging... he's not very helpful, in half an hour I've re-iterated the same information 10 different ways and he's only now doing research on the issue
Oct 21 08:12:29 <nightburn> Are there any known issues with tweaks on 3.0.4? i'm having some serious problems migrating my custom browser gestures patch
Oct 21 08:13:15 <nightburn> i can't get the "onSuccess" callback to run.
Oct 21 08:15:37 <ghostinator> I have a weird brightness randomly dimming and getting brighter with some apps, and a animation flicker issue. but the browser is so much faster, faster than the browser in cyanogen mod
Oct 21 08:18:06 <ghostinator> xterm is one of the apps where if I switch to the card, put it in card view, go back full screen my brightness goes to max then back to normal on switching to a different app. brightness changer in the sys menu shows the slider being in the middle like no
Oct 21 08:18:06 <ghostinator> rmal. also the ambient light doesn't change so I know its not my fault
Oct 21 08:45:05 <KungPhoo> can I make a bash file in /var/home/root?
Oct 21 08:45:30 <rwhitby> touch /var/home/root/bash ?
Oct 21 08:45:41 <KungPhoo> I want it to auto-navigate to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/
Oct 21 08:46:00 <KungPhoo> I have "#! /bin/bash
Oct 21 08:46:03 <KungPhoo> and then cd ...
Oct 21 08:46:14 <rwhitby> ln -s /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications /var/home/root/apps
Oct 21 08:46:20 <rwhitby> then cd ~/apps
Oct 21 08:46:34 <KungPhoo> awesome!
Oct 21 08:46:46 <KungPhoo> that's not causing any trouble, right?
Oct 21 08:46:55 <rwhitby> nope
Oct 21 08:47:13 <Soruk> palm-package question: How do I make it put the postinst and prerm scripts into the control.tar.gz component? I'm trying to use the webos-internals build mechanism to put together TigerVNC but the resulting package isn't working, Xecutah just isn't running the xecutah.sh script. My hand-rolled package works fine.
Oct 21 08:48:25 <KungPhoo> is there a way to get "ls" to colour directories differently?
Oct 21 08:48:35 <Freman> ok, the guy on the hp help thing... useless absolutly
Oct 21 08:55:53 <Freman> note to self, stop buying crap from north americans, the rest of the world just doesn't exist to them
Oct 21 08:58:03 <rocketeerbkw> if I have general questions about using webos/touchpad is there another channel for that?
Oct 21 08:59:48 <Soruk> Anyone able to assist me?
Oct 21 09:03:03 <dtzWill> KungPhoo: shallow investigation suggests that the 'ls' we're using is from busybox, and i don't see any color options
Oct 21 09:03:15 <dtzWill> normally it'd be by things like alias ls='ls --color=auto'
Oct 21 09:03:16 <dtzWill> or similar
Oct 21 09:07:33 <rwhitby> Soruk: there is no way to get palm-package to add install scripts
Oct 21 09:07:39 <rwhitby> Soruk: see the hello.git Makefile
Oct 21 09:08:11 <rwhitby> rocketeerbkw: #touchpad
Oct 21 09:09:52 <rocketeerbkw> rwhitby: thx
Oct 21 09:17:34 <Soruk> Thank you. I'll see what I can do with that.
Oct 21 09:23:07 <KungPhoo> could it be, that the hp touchpad does not return acceleration values with SDL?
Oct 21 09:23:16 <KungPhoo> i feel stupid, but my Pixi works
Oct 21 09:24:29 <KungPhoo> SDL_JoystickGetAxis(id, 0)
Oct 21 09:38:40 <dtzWill> KungPhoo: whatcha doing? :)
Oct 21 09:38:56 <dtzWill> and i ran into this last night with the xserver, 3.0.4 broke our orientation detection
Oct 21 09:39:30 <dtzWill> what fixed it for me was calling SDL_PumpEvents, presumably to let SDL handle internal accelerometer 'input' events
Oct 21 09:39:51 <dtzWill> fixed it for everyone that's tested it, but that's an unfortunately small amount of people so far :)
Oct 21 09:42:31 <ghostinator> are you saying it should change orientation after being launched now? or not
Oct 21 09:43:04 <nightburn> rwhitby: who should i speak to regarding a potential bug in tweaks ?
Oct 21 09:46:27 <rwhitby> nightburn: you should talk to sconix
Oct 21 09:48:59 <nightburn> alright, thanks
Oct 21 09:49:38 <dtzWill> ghostinator: no
Oct 21 09:49:58 <dtzWill> ghostinator: but 3.0.4 broke it's ability to detect the current device orientation via the accelerometer
Oct 21 09:50:12 <dtzWill> which was done on startup to allow running the xserver in the 4 different orientations
Oct 21 09:50:45 <ghostinator> dtzWill: ah, I see now. make sense
Oct 21 09:50:46 <KungPhoo> SDL_NumJoysticks() returns 0 now
Oct 21 09:50:49 <KungPhoo> awesome :(
Oct 21 09:52:01 <dtzWill> KungPhoo: o____O well xserver in the beta feeds seems to work, and i do know that on 3.0.4 SDL_JoystickOpen(0) returned a non-null pointer
Oct 21 09:52:13 <KungPhoo> yes
Oct 21 09:52:15 <dtzWill> but i don't think i actually check SDL_NumJoysticks anywhere O:) *whistles innocently*
Oct 21 09:52:19 <KungPhoo> just he count is broken
Oct 21 09:52:24 <dtzWill> http://git.webos-internals.org/x11/xsdl/tree/hw/kdrive/sdl/sdl.c#n931 fwiw
Oct 21 09:52:26 <dtzWill> ahhh, i see.
Oct 21 09:52:27 <dtzWill> okay
Oct 21 09:52:48 <dtzWill> i _did_ need the pumpevents, else the SDL_JoystickGetAxis calls only ever returned zero
Oct 21 09:52:56 <ghostinator> anyone else noticing the tap ripple in preware will disappear but reappear where you last tapped? ever since 3.0.4 came along, I've even doctored and it still happens, so figure some code funkiness is to blame
Oct 21 09:53:05 <dtzWill> --and that's with our previous code that slept a bunch and tried repeatedly for up to 3 seconds
Oct 21 09:53:53 <ghostinator> only seems to happen on buttons
Oct 21 09:54:35 <KungPhoo> the ripple is a true pain
Oct 21 09:54:43 <KungPhoo> it slows down opengl apps so badl
Oct 21 09:55:04 <dtzWill> yeah, i left it on for forever
Oct 21 09:55:10 <ghostinator> I'm thinking of just disabailing it, any performance gains?
Oct 21 09:55:13 <dtzWill> thinking it was helping me hit things
Oct 21 09:55:21 <dtzWill> but i disabled it and didn't miss it at all
Oct 21 09:55:25 <dtzWill> completely forgot it existed
Oct 21 09:55:38 <dtzWill> and yes definitley performance gains
Oct 21 09:55:41 <ghostinator> lol, I know everyone who plays with my touchpad loves it.
Oct 21 09:55:46 <dtzWill> especially for apps/games that require yo to tap the screen repeatedly
Oct 21 09:56:00 <dtzWill> the way the ripple is implemented, iirc, especially detoriates when chained together
Oct 21 09:56:13 <dtzWill> (iirc that statement was from chuq on palm's dev forums somewhere)
Oct 21 09:56:24 <dtzWill> i just wish they'd add a pdl function to disable it
Oct 21 09:56:24 <dtzWill> lol
Oct 21 09:56:33 <dtzWill> and/or disable it for pdk apps
Oct 21 09:56:35 <dtzWill> or something
Oct 21 09:56:59 <ghostinator> I guess I'll check out the 3.0.2 patch, see what it edits and see if its still the same since I don't see a patch for 3.0.4 yet
Oct 21 09:58:16 <dtzWill> ghostinator: please do.  idk who owns that patch, but if you get it working it would be good to help ensure that's upstreamed
Oct 21 09:58:19 <dtzWill> avoid duplication of efforts, etc
Oct 21 09:59:13 <ghostinator> right, I'll track em down and what not
Oct 21 09:59:19 <dtzWill> tyty :)
Oct 21 09:59:47 <dtzWill> loooooool
Oct 21 09:59:54 <dtzWill> i've been ssh'ing to my tp periodically tonight
Oct 21 09:59:56 <dtzWill> to test some random things
Oct 21 09:59:59 <dtzWill> and ...
Oct 21 10:00:01 <dtzWill> i can't find it
Oct 21 10:00:06 <dtzWill> pretty sure i left it in the car
Oct 21 10:00:07 <dtzWill> hahahaha
Oct 21 10:00:32 <dtzWill> http://bash.org/?5273 etc
Oct 21 10:00:59 <ghostinator> I finally played with a veer earlier.... sooooo tiny.. impratical for my man hands haha
Oct 21 10:04:27 <KungPhoo> SDL_JoystickOpen(0) returns NULL
Oct 21 10:04:33 <KungPhoo> now I have a problem
Oct 21 10:05:20 <dtzWill> KungPhoo: and you are passing SDL_INIT_JOYSTICK, right?
Oct 21 10:05:34 <dtzWill> (just making sure :))
Oct 21 10:05:34 <KungPhoo> SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_JOYSTICK);
Oct 21 10:05:42 <KungPhoo> I call that in the c'tor of my class
Oct 21 10:05:48 <KungPhoo> it used to work
Oct 21 10:06:04 <dtzWill> KungPhoo: hmm, do you initialize the screen/video at some point prior?
Oct 21 10:07:56 <dtzWill> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=17467 might be of interest
Oct 21 10:08:07 <KungPhoo> SDL_INIT(SDL_VIDEO); and hten SDL_...screen(0,0)
Oct 21 10:09:46 <bhuey> folks
Oct 21 10:10:09 <ghostinator> testing remove tap ripple now, gotta luna restart
Oct 21 10:11:26 <dtzWill> KungPhoo: final shot in the dark, are they on the same thread? I'm not sure how that works, etc
Oct 21 10:11:29 <dtzWill> bhuey: hi :)
Oct 21 10:11:50 <KungPhoo> yes
Oct 21 10:12:45 <KungPhoo> I try SDL_Init not in c'tor, but in an init function now
Oct 21 10:12:53 <ghostinator> works great, I'll let the author know
Oct 21 10:14:28 <ghostinator> in lunaAnimations.conf the line below 70 look for reticleDuration=200. change 200 to 0, save and lunA restart and bam!
Oct 21 10:17:48 <stbuehler> KungPhoo: never use global vars with a c'tor, that is always asking for problems :) even better: don't use global vars..
Oct 21 11:27:53 <KungPhoo> the very same code runs on my Pixi
Oct 21 11:27:58 <KungPhoo> it's a touchpad bug
Oct 21 11:29:48 <KungPhoo> I'm using the 1.4.5 SDK, I think
Oct 21 11:29:52 <KungPhoo> but it really worked
Oct 21 11:30:35 <stbuehler> "it worked somewhere else, so it must be a platform bug" - is that really the argument you're going for?
Oct 21 11:33:05 <KungPhoo> it worked on my touchpad. It works _now_ on my Pixi. Why not on the TP anymore?
Oct 21 11:33:13 <KungPhoo> only thing I changed is upgrade to 3.0.4
Oct 21 11:34:00 <stbuehler> i don't know your source code, so i can only guess
Oct 21 11:34:09 <Freman> *shrug* hp help tried to tell me my charging issue is a bug that's cropped up in my case
Oct 21 11:34:45 <Freman> like... it got thicker or turned into a faraday cage when I installed the 3.0.4 update
Oct 21 11:36:04 <Freman> wish I could go back to 3.0.2
Oct 21 11:41:47 <KungPhoo> ok, just tested. Old code that used to work now fails, too
Oct 21 11:41:48 <KungPhoo> great
Oct 21 11:42:26 <KungPhoo> I try to reboot
Oct 21 11:42:34 <Loudergood> Freman: what's stopping you?
Oct 21 11:43:01 <KungPhoo> can someone check if SDL_JoystickOpen works on 3.0.4?
Oct 21 11:43:15 <Freman> Loudergood instructions?
Oct 21 11:43:19 <Loudergood> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Tablet
Oct 21 11:44:10 <Freman> oooh
Oct 21 11:44:37 <Freman> might go read about this doctor thing (I just wanted to app dev, I didn't want to hack the tablet it's self too much :D)
Oct 21 11:47:20 <KungPhoo> how can I upscale palm-Pre apps?
Oct 21 11:47:25 <KungPhoo> on the touchpad?
Oct 21 11:47:29 <KungPhoo> some run fullscreen
Oct 21 11:50:57 <rwhitby-tp> google uiRevision:2
Oct 21 11:52:38 <stbuehler> uiRevision:2 is a bad joke... not only do you have to add back buttons in your scenes, the dialogs from webos don't work with it
Oct 21 11:54:48 <KungPhoo> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=18751&p=94424#p94424
Oct 21 11:54:50 <KungPhoo> aawesome :(
Oct 21 11:55:25 <dtzWill> KungPhoo: it does, there's code that people have reported working
Oct 21 11:55:30 <dtzWill> try it yourself, etc
Oct 21 11:55:46 <dtzWill> but something changed, i agree there
Oct 21 11:55:53 <KungPhoo> it seems I have to make all my SDL_Init calls in one call now
Oct 21 11:57:08 <dtzWill> http://lists.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl-libsdl.org/2002-March/024440.html fwiw
Oct 21 11:57:20 <dtzWill> but glad you figured it out
Oct 21 12:08:37 <KungPhoo> phew. That fixed it!
Oct 21 12:29:08 <ghostinator> so I reoptimized all the system pngs.. shaved roughly 10 megs off file size. works great and memory usage is at an all time low
Oct 21 12:30:52 <ghostinator> I used optiPNG-UI, I use to use it to squeeze down file size when I did web development and design. It really takes the extra crap out. I wonder if a phone with less ram and processing power would benefit more than the touchpad
Oct 21 12:56:20 <YeahRight> how can one change the HP store afterwards? thats possible right?
Oct 21 12:58:49 <vampiwo> any help, please
Oct 21 13:16:55 <YeahRight> no one?
Oct 21 13:18:34 <stbuehler> YeahRight: perhaps ask a more precise question to get an answer.
Oct 21 13:23:35 <YeahRight> stbuehler : whats not specific about it?
Oct 21 13:23:49 <stbuehler> what do you mean with "change hp store"?
Oct 21 13:23:56 <YeahRight> different country
Oct 21 13:24:02 <YeahRight> sorry
Oct 21 13:24:28 <YeahRight> reset the choice made at the start
Oct 21 13:24:40 <stbuehler> now i understand the question, but i don't know the answer :)
Oct 21 13:24:51 <YeahRight> yup i can see its unclear now :p
Oct 21 13:24:56 <YeahRight> ok pity
Oct 21 13:25:05 <YeahRight> thanks for trying though
Oct 21 13:25:17 <stbuehler> but i'm sure someone else will know, and i remember that you are not the first to ask :D
Oct 21 13:25:29 <YeahRight> yeah this must have been brought up before..
Oct 21 13:25:37 <YeahRight> in fact i even read about it at some site
Oct 21 13:25:42 <YeahRight> but i cant find it anymore
Oct 21 13:25:52 <YeahRight> should be possible even without doctoring
Oct 21 13:28:08 <stbuehler> perhaps also add the device you are using to the question, might make a difference
Oct 21 13:31:00 <YeahRight> lol
Oct 21 13:31:12 <YeahRight> you make me sound like an idiot :P
Oct 21 13:31:18 <YeahRight> touchpad
Oct 21 13:58:09 <actionfigure> :)
Oct 21 13:58:20 <actionfigure> hiya peeps
Oct 21 14:34:11 <YeahRight> so can i save that Saved Package List in preware to a file somehow?
Oct 21 14:37:58 <AStice> Anybody in here know what would be the best way to tweaks enable a patch that modifies the luna-animations.conf file?
Oct 21 14:58:04 <rawdr> is there no way to get palm's servers to recognize my sprint pre2 as a pre2 instead of original pre-?
Oct 21 14:59:01 <rawdr> I deleted my profile backups, removed the old device from the palm website, redoctored and logged in and it still shows it as a palm pre.... the device itself has the tokens for a pre2
Oct 21 16:36:25 <lespedeza> I have a paid app that I purchased that is failing the license check, any ideas on how to fix it?
Oct 21 16:39:27 <lespedeza> I just reread the irc policy, I guess the above is off-topic, sorry.
Oct 21 16:41:18 <scoutcamper> lespedeza, i reccomend #webos for that question
Oct 21 16:41:48 <lespedeza> scoutcamper, thanks, I just realized i was in the wrong place.
Oct 21 16:54:49 <pre> hi
Oct 21 16:55:11 <pre> ive updated my tp to 3.04
Oct 21 16:55:50 <pre> preware runs in a loop by reading saved package list
Oct 21 16:56:11 <pre> whats to do ?
Oct 21 16:56:25 <dtzWill> pre: restart your device.
Oct 21 16:56:43 <pre> ok i try
Oct 21 16:56:51 <dtzWill> i personally have no idea what causes that, and there might be a better way, but restarting fixed that for me and others that've seen that issue
Oct 21 16:57:02 <pre> ok
Oct 21 16:57:11 <pre> thx
Oct 21 16:57:36 <pre> maybe back maybe not  lol
Oct 21 16:57:44 <pre> thx again
Oct 21 16:58:02 <dtzWill> yep
Oct 21 16:58:06 <dtzWill> gl :)
Oct 21 17:01:51 <pre> hi
Oct 21 17:02:06 <scoutcamper> hola
Oct 21 17:02:09 <pre> thx it works
Oct 21 17:27:43 <Gahd> hello all
Oct 21 17:28:46 <Gahd> large, but silent room?
Oct 21 17:28:59 <ajay__> happens..
Oct 21 17:29:04 <ajay__> any linphone'rs here?
Oct 21 17:39:58 <ka6sox> Gahd, even dedicated WOSI folk have to work sometime!
Oct 21 17:40:19 <ajay__> ka6sox: have a good time with the pre3s?
Oct 21 17:40:24 <Gahd> lol, I'm at work
Oct 21 17:40:42 <ka6sox> ajay__, yep, like the form factor...just about the right size.
Oct 21 17:40:44 <Gahd> trying to oc my touchpad, but got hung up on one step, so figured I'd hop in here and see if anyone could help
Oct 21 17:40:48 <ajay__> ka6sox: you weren't at the meetup right?
Oct 21 17:41:05 <ajay__> ka6sox: I was more wondering in your in-depth/technical looks at it :)
Oct 21 17:45:34 <ka6sox> oh, well...my teardown has only progressed to discovering what actual hardware is onboard...I've had very very little time to delve deeper.
Oct 21 18:00:40 <mputtr> heya, anyone here with experience editing keyboard layouts?
Oct 21 18:09:19 <ka6sox> mputtr, for vkb?
Oct 21 18:14:40 <mputtr> heya
Oct 21 18:14:43 <mputtr> sorry for the late reply
Oct 21 18:14:51 <mputtr> for the onscreen keyboard on the touchpad
Oct 21 18:37:22 <mputtr> ka6sox, i was referring to the onscreen keyboard
Oct 21 18:38:10 <elpollodiablo1> rwhitby: is virtual box a requirement for widk? it seems like make setup in cross-compile/ fails due to VBoxManager not being found.
Oct 21 19:03:47 <ka6sox> lost him
Oct 21 19:04:04 <ka6sox> mputtr, for webOS or X
Oct 21 19:17:22 <mputtr> oops
Oct 21 19:17:23 <mputtr> heya
Oct 21 19:17:32 <mputtr> it's hard to catch you guys
Oct 21 19:17:37 <mputtr> for webOS
Oct 21 19:17:52 <mputtr> i'm referring to messing with the json file for thai language
Oct 21 19:18:16 <mputtr> i got most of it working so far, the only problem is that the keys do some wierd stuff.. visually
Oct 21 19:20:34 <ka6sox> mputtr, sorry, out of my area.
Oct 21 19:20:35 <ka6sox> :(
Oct 21 19:20:40 <mputtr> ah np
Oct 21 19:20:52 <mputtr> its' the freakin 3.0.4 update the screwed alot of stuff
Oct 21 19:21:04 <mputtr> they changed out tons of stuff.. feels like they killed more functionality
Oct 21 19:21:30 <ka6sox> mputtr, with node 0.4.12...we get more for the future.
Oct 21 19:21:50 <ka6sox> but to make an omelet you have to break some eggs :(
Oct 21 19:22:02 <mputtr> yeah, that's nice i guess, but i'm just pissed that i had to get this all fixed up again
Oct 21 19:22:06 <mputtr> and it's for my mom.
Oct 21 19:22:29 <mputtr> there's no real good way, that i know of, to back up my game data
Oct 21 19:22:54 <mputtr> my mom is playing sparkle and she dun want to play through most of it again when she's so close to the end if i get her to doctor the files
Oct 21 19:26:08 <hiddenpremise> mputtr: LOL my mom obsessively plays sparkle
Oct 21 19:26:29 <hiddenpremise> mputtr: let me dig into where it keeps its game data
Oct 21 19:27:01 <mputtr> that's cool thanks
Oct 21 19:27:18 <mputtr> i think i'm going have to get her to roll back to 3.0.2
Oct 21 19:27:42 <mputtr> it's finefor now imo. eventually when android is stable or gold, i'll have her test that out and decide which she likes more
Oct 21 19:28:12 <hiddenpremise> I find android to be unintuitive, but if you train her on it and get a decent launcher I'm sure she'll be fine
Oct 21 19:28:47 <mputtr> i'm into that kinda stuff, atleast for me it's intuintive, but i'm letting her try both
Oct 21 19:29:03 <mputtr> and let her form her own decision. it's better for her to choose what she wants imo :P
Oct 21 19:29:14 <hiddenpremise> yeah, that's a good call. :)
Oct 21 19:29:23 <mputtr> that or next time i can simply teach her how to do all that stuff the next time she visits
Oct 21 19:29:30 <mputtr> and have her decide it then
Oct 21 19:30:03 <mputtr> but as i tell my mom's friend when she got the galaxy 10.1, she can go ios if she wants to maintain the ios ecosystem or she can test out android, but int he end it's up to her level of comfort
Oct 21 19:30:22 <mputtr> if she likes ios more, then go ipad, if she wants to try android, go galaxy tab
Oct 21 19:30:30 <hiddenpremise> as best as I can tell, the game data lives in /media/internal/appdata/com.10tons.sparklehd/MythPeople/Sparkle_HD/user/profiles.dat
Oct 21 19:30:46 <mputtr> ah ok
Oct 21 19:30:50 <mputtr> i'll see if i can find it
Oct 21 19:31:10 <mputtr> i just copy and pasted ALL the contents in the internal folder to an external drive
Oct 21 19:31:14 <mputtr> hopefully i can recover it
Oct 21 19:31:40 <hiddenpremise> yeah, for mom's tp, it doesn't look like it is a hidden file or anything
Oct 21 19:32:07 <hiddenpremise> hmm, but it is
Oct 21 19:32:09 <hiddenpremise> that is odd
Oct 21 19:32:14 <hiddenpremise> do you have the sdk or novaterm installed?
Oct 21 19:32:30 <mputtr> yup
Oct 21 19:32:50 <mputtr> holy jumping jacks
Oct 21 19:32:56 <mputtr> i found it
Oct 21 19:33:00 <mputtr> it's in the app data
Oct 21 19:33:11 <mputtr> it has all my info int he appdata folder
Oct 21 19:33:21 <mputtr> i just have to recover them i think
Oct 21 19:33:48 <hiddenpremise> ok, so zip doesn't exist, but you can use ar
Oct 21 19:34:02 <hiddenpremise> so do something like ar -r mybackup.ar appdata/*
Oct 21 19:34:25 <hiddenpremise> the mybackup.ar should then be visible when you mount the device as a usb device
Oct 21 19:34:40 <hiddenpremise> obviously make sure you are in the /media/internal folder when you execute the command
Oct 21 19:34:51 <mputtr> not to mention i c
Oct 21 19:35:05 <mputtr> ar -r mybackup.ar appdata/*
Oct 21 19:35:10 <hiddenpremise> and you can use "ar -t mybackup.ar" to verify the files are there
Oct 21 19:35:13 <mputtr> when i have it connected
Oct 21 19:35:15 <mputtr> right?
Oct 21 19:35:31 <hiddenpremise> yes so connect, "cd /media/internal" hit enter then "ar -r http://mybackup.ar/ appdata/*"
Oct 21 19:35:33 <mputtr> when i do a webdoctor,it usually doesn't touch the the internal partition anyways right?
Oct 21 19:35:47 <hiddenpremise> I'm not sure, I haven't had to do a webdoctor yet :D
Oct 21 19:35:55 <hiddenpremise> I'd make that archive and pull it off while the device is in usb mode
Oct 21 19:36:09 <mputtr> done. i just saved that convo
Oct 21 19:36:34 <hiddenpremise> hold just a sec, when I ran ar on mine, it didn't like the sparkly format
Oct 21 19:36:35 <mputtr> i'll test that method out as well
Oct 21 19:36:42 <mputtr> i think i'll just have mom recover to 3.0.2
Oct 21 19:37:05 <mputtr> i like the stuff i put on for her tp
Oct 21 19:37:16 <mputtr> especially with all the stuff that's been screwed up
Oct 21 19:39:26 <hiddenpremise> so I tested the "ar -r" instructions that I gave you and the tool doesn't like something that sparkle has
Oct 21 19:39:29 <hiddenpremise> so that doesn't work
Oct 21 19:39:35 <hiddenpremise> I'm gunna try tar
Oct 21 19:39:42 <hiddenpremise> I'll give you a different command in a second
Oct 21 19:40:29 <mputtr> ah
Oct 21 19:40:36 <mputtr> dun worry. i have to get going for now
Oct 21 19:40:40 <mputtr> i'll see if i can catch you later.
Oct 21 19:40:52 <hiddenpremise> yeah run this  tar -cvf mybackup.tar appdata/
Oct 21 19:40:54 <hiddenpremise> instead of ar
Oct 21 19:40:56 <mputtr> ok
Oct 21 19:41:11 <hiddenpremise> to untar do tar -xzf mybackup.tar
Oct 21 19:41:15 <hiddenpremise> when you get her setup
Oct 21 19:41:18 <hiddenpremise> good luck :)
Oct 21 19:41:30 <mputtr> thanks!
Oct 21 20:21:11 <ice8lue> hey guys
Oct 21 20:21:26 <ice8lue> do you know if there are problems with the palm profile servers?
Oct 21 20:22:04 <ice8lue> I was not able to log into my profile...after serveral tries i got in but now it can't restore my touchpad profile
Oct 21 20:24:50 <ice8lue> anyone?
Oct 21 20:33:46 <ajay__> surprised they dont have status servers..
Oct 21 20:33:53 <ice8lue> hm...if i just let it download apps, i get dr. skipped first use
Oct 21 20:46:46 <ice8lue> lol...now i got my profile loaded but no accounts are in.... -.-
Oct 21 20:50:28 * ka6sox is glad he waited to do 3.0.4 upgrade....
Oct 21 20:50:52 <ice8lue> ka6sox: i had this problem with 3.0.2 before too
Oct 21 20:51:18 <ice8lue> though i dont understand it
Oct 21 20:51:22 <ka6sox> ice8lue, and I waited on that too.
Oct 21 20:51:32 <ice8lue> 3.0.4 itself runs really nice...much more fluid
Oct 21 20:51:57 <SineOt> Yeah, I've noticed that 3.0.4 seems to run a lot smoother… But it seems to be a lot more picky about wifi networks
Oct 21 20:52:57 <ice8lue> ya... i somehow cant connect to eduroam anymore
Oct 21 20:54:12 <SineOt> Yeah, had issues with the ATT wifi in Starbucks the other day. Nexus S just connected, laptops just connected just fine, Touchpad just… Either would fail to associate or it would say that I needed to manually config the IP settings.
Oct 21 21:12:49 <dwc-> manually config'ing IP settings isn't too bad.
Oct 21 21:12:54 <dwc-> nothing tcpdump can't answer anyways ;)
Oct 21 21:17:56 <SineOt> dwc-: yeah, but their captive portal didn't seem to like me not having a DHCP lease
Oct 21 21:28:47 <dwc-> well, you certainly would need one to talk to the captive portal
Oct 21 21:59:39 <nburn> sconix are you available for a quick chat ?
Oct 21 22:02:28 <rwhitby> elpollodiablo1: for i686 rootfs, yes
Oct 21 22:53:28 <ajay__> ok.. so linphone can take a call, but damned if audio seems to work either way
Oct 21 23:14:43 <pocek> Hi
Oct 21 23:15:56 <pocek> is any landscape pdf viewer patch working for anyone in webos >= 2.1.0?
Oct 21 23:18:06 <pocek> looks like it's a pdfservice problem and not really patch related
Oct 21 23:21:40 <pocek> problem = black screen
Oct 21 23:22:09 <pocek> basically setting some "wrong" width on viewerObject is enough to trigger this bug
Oct 22 01:47:47 <hiddenpremise> Anyone up for testing an early beta of a proxy app?
Oct 22 01:48:23 <wrea> Making progress, I take it? :)
Oct 22 01:48:53 <hiddenpremise> yeah, it works now. at least on my touchpad
Oct 22 01:48:57 <hiddenpremise> and some of my coworkers
Oct 22 01:49:36 <hiddenpremise> I'm not to release quality yet, so I haven't posted it to precentral or started trying to get published in preware, but I'd like to see if others have success
Oct 22 01:50:08 <wrea> If I were in an environment where I had to use proxies, I'd gladly test
Oct 22 01:52:14 <hiddenpremise> well my big question now is will it launch on the first try. I've had some reports that it doesn't
Oct 22 01:52:46 <hiddenpremise> if it will launch after an install from webosquickinstall, it works pretty well from my testing. maybe some ui quirks, but the service works reliably
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