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Oct 24 07:30:26 <hewball> anyone here know much about the kernel compile process?
Oct 24 07:31:23 <hewball> ive noticed there is like F15.config files under patches, but how do i compile those instead of whatever the default one is?
Oct 24 07:41:12 <LunohoD> hewball: cp F15.config .config && make oldconfig && make
Oct 24 07:41:25 <LunohoD> something like that
Oct 24 07:41:33 <hewball> LunohoD: thanks
Oct 24 07:48:23 <rwhitby> hewball: build.git/kernels or build.git/beta-kernels or build.git/alpha-kernels
Oct 24 07:48:39 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels
Oct 24 07:49:13 <hewball> rwhitby: yeah i read that was a little confused by how automated it was more than anything
Oct 24 07:49:33 <hewball> wanted to add more to kernel that was all
Oct 24 10:40:56 <YeahRight> can i save the Saved Package List in preware to a file somehow?
Oct 24 10:42:25 <rwhitby> no
Oct 24 10:43:27 <YeahRight> rwhitby : i accidentally updated to 3.0.4 without removing the patches first
Oct 24 10:44:47 <YeahRight> now i understand there is an emergency tool to remove patches but it would be nice to have some way to remember the patches i got installed
Oct 24 10:45:02 <rwhitby> Use Save/Restore
Oct 24 10:45:40 <YeahRight> ah
Oct 24 10:46:12 <YeahRight> is there a difference when running the emergency tool after updating to 3.0.4 compared to running it before updating?
Oct 24 10:47:12 <YeahRight> i wonder if i broke something
Oct 24 10:50:24 <YeahRight> would you suggest running the emergency tool in all cases when there is a webos update? so also when one already updated by accident?
Oct 24 11:17:06 <pierreee> is it evil that i updated without removing patches? had 2 or 3 of them.
Oct 24 11:17:13 <pierreee> my tp updated itself without my permission :)
Oct 24 11:24:54 <YeahRight> really?
Oct 24 11:25:04 <YeahRight> that sucks if it can do that..
Oct 24 11:25:15 <YeahRight> rwhitby : you still here maybe?
Oct 24 11:31:18 <pierreee> yeah just wake up the tp and i suddenly just see "yay, i updated successfully!"
Oct 24 11:39:27 <YeahRight> thats not something one would want..
Oct 24 11:41:33 <pierreee> true.
Oct 24 13:36:51 <hewball> rockhopper is novacom support?
Oct 24 13:48:56 <YeahRight> anybody here who can answer my earlier question?
Oct 24 16:34:35 <ka6sox> YeahRight, we are a volunteer organization, nobody is paid to answer questions.
Oct 24 16:48:52 <YeahRight> ka6sox : i dont understand that reply
Oct 24 16:49:14 <YeahRight> i know you are a volunteer..so where exactly did i complain?
Oct 24 16:49:36 <YeahRight> i just re-asked after a few hours..surely that's not offending?
Oct 24 16:52:12 <ka6sox> YeahRight, I guess I'm being a grouch...what was your earlier question?
Oct 24 16:52:26 <YeahRight> :P
Oct 24 16:52:37 <YeahRight> is there a difference when running the emergency tool after updating to 3.0.4 compared to running it before updating?
Oct 24 16:52:53 <YeahRight> i accidentally updated to 3.0.4 without removing the patches first
Oct 24 16:53:02 <YeahRight> i wonder if i broke something
Oct 24 16:53:07 <YeahRight>  would you suggest running the emergency tool in all cases when there is a webos update? so also when one already updated by accident?
Oct 24 16:53:23 <ka6sox> YeahRight, well...lets see what happens as that happened to me too on a TP.
Oct 24 16:54:01 <YeahRight> ok
Oct 24 16:54:35 <YeahRight> it's not possible to save the Saved Package List in preware to a file somehow, is it?
Oct 24 16:55:46 <ka6sox> dunno,
Oct 24 16:56:01 <ka6sox> (and I have answered that one several times :P)
Oct 24 16:56:03 <YeahRight> would be usefull when reinstalling all patches that i had installed after running the emergenc tool
Oct 24 16:56:35 <YeahRight> (ok, sorry :P .. i didnt remember who exactly already answered that)
Oct 24 16:56:59 <YeahRight> (if you dont know doesnt exclude somebody else from knowing :P)
Oct 24 17:02:14 <Abyssul> Alrighty peeps, how do I enable enyo UI on my Pre2 with tweaks....
Oct 24 17:04:21 <NuttyBunny> Abyssul: you download the maps update from the catalog (but you'll lose google maps, it gets changed for bing maps)
Oct 24 17:04:31 <Abyssul> I did
Oct 24 17:04:37 <Abyssul> My maps also doesnt work either
Oct 24 17:04:57 <Abyssul> i think mine was probably the only one to get corrupt somehow yet the enyo framework was installed
Oct 24 17:05:16 <NuttyBunny> weird
Oct 24 17:05:30 <Abyssul> Yea, I dont feel like doctoring either....
Oct 24 17:05:52 <Abyssul> I've tried deleting and reinstalling the app as well with multiple restarts
Oct 24 17:07:59 <NuttyBunny> mmmm... did you have the enyo directory around before doing the upgrade?
Oct 24 17:08:09 <Abyssul> Negative NuttyBunny
Oct 24 17:08:55 <Abyssul> Also tried reinstalling via update Google maps
Oct 24 17:09:03 <NuttyBunny> mmm... no, then I don't know :(  I updated my maps app in 4 devices.  I had to delete my previous /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo directory
Oct 24 17:09:15 <Abyssul> aka, delete maps, reinstall google maps, update
Oct 24 17:09:48 <Abyssul> ill go search through the filesystem and delete anything related to enyo and try updating again
Oct 24 17:09:57 <Abyssul> When you delete the maps app, the enyo framework stays btw
Oct 24 17:10:57 <NuttyBunny> yep, I think it has a script that runs when you reboot the phone after updating, that copies the enyo directory to its place
Oct 24 17:11:39 <Abyssul> post script in the ipkg folder? I deleted those too when it wouldnt update
Oct 24 17:12:17 <Abyssul> Cant believe i was the only one who ran into a problem lol
Oct 24 17:12:32 <NuttyBunny> post install runs after installing, this has to be another one, but I think it runs only on the first reboot
Oct 24 17:12:47 <NuttyBunny> too bad I don't have any of my dev devices to test with me :(
Oct 24 17:14:09 <Abyssul> find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -i enyo
Oct 24 17:17:12 <Lazar_Dobrescu> Abyssul: I did get an issue when installing Maps... I did delete the /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo, uninstalled/reinstalled and it worked that time
Oct 24 17:17:27 <Abyssul> Ill try that now
Oct 24 17:20:37 <Abyssul> finally
Oct 24 17:20:41 <Abyssul> Gave me the restart prompt
Oct 24 17:27:49 <Abyssul> it works :)
Oct 24 17:30:32 <DoubleDub-wss> Thanks - had the same issue and that appears to have worked!
Oct 24 17:30:47 <Abyssul> Oh, it only adds enyo to the tweaks app, not the whole phone
Oct 24 17:31:03 <Abyssul> Guess I still have to make my enyo theme
Oct 24 17:31:12 <dwc-> Abyssul: why are you getting a list of every file that contains the word 'enyo' in it?
Oct 24 17:31:26 <Abyssul> dwc-, thats irrelevant now
Oct 24 17:33:49 <Abyssul> Oh wow, Palm worked on new emoticons
Oct 24 17:34:21 <Abyssul> I wonder if the implemented them in the Pre3 or they are just not going to be used
Oct 24 18:07:39 * Soruk has Tcl/Tk 8.5.10 working on the TP - would anyone be interested in me taking this work any further?
Oct 24 18:11:01 <ka6sox> Soruk, mmmmm....
Oct 24 18:11:05 <ka6sox> goodness
Oct 24 18:38:02 <EricBlade> hmm. i happened to notice that my touchpad was feeling very warm on my lap, so i checked Govnah, and sho' nuff, core 1 is cranked out to max and holding.  "top" shows WebAppMgr sitting at 97% cpu usage constantly.
Oct 24 18:38:08 <EricBlade> any suggestions for diagnosing the cause?
Oct 24 21:18:35 <ka6sox> EricBlade, seen that many times.
Oct 24 22:30:32 <hmmmm> http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/24/creator-of-lisp-john-mccarthy-dead-at-84/
Oct 24 22:31:39 <hiddenpremise> (rip)
Oct 24 22:33:01 <klausa> more like (r (ip))
Oct 24 22:34:08 <hiddenpremise> ...
Oct 24 22:35:42 <PuffTheMagic> McCarthy believed AI should be interactive, allowing for a give and take similar to AI simulators like Eliza and, more recently, Siri.
Oct 24 22:35:48 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ bullshit
Oct 24 22:35:50 <PuffTheMagic> Siri is not AI
Oct 24 22:35:55 <PuffTheMagic> its a pattern matcher
Oct 24 22:35:57 <rwhitby> YeahRight: I already pointed you to Save/Restore for reinstalling all patches after running the emergency tool
Oct 24 22:36:00 <PuffTheMagic> it doesnt even parse language
Oct 24 22:36:08 <PuffTheMagic> it just matches to templates
Oct 24 22:36:24 <lennartelsner> i remember eliza... helped me organize my life n stuff oO
Oct 24 22:37:36 <hiddenpremise> lennartelsner: tell me more about your life
Oct 24 22:38:04 <lennartelsner> ^^
Oct 24 22:38:42 <lennartelsner> im actually here to talk about tailor
Oct 24 22:39:43 <dwc-> iliza
Oct 24 22:40:09 <lennartelsner> it tells me to reboot my device and I do so, but it acts like I didn't. talkin about good old pre plus
Oct 24 22:41:02 <klausa> PuffTheMagic: Siri is pattern matcher in the same way Watson is.
Oct 24 22:41:31 <lennartelsner> also, I'd like to see some themes for it, and webos 2.2 would also be great;)
Oct 24 22:41:55 <PuffTheMagic> klausa, i really just meant to say that it doesnt actually "parse language"
Oct 24 22:42:04 <lennartelsner> youre just jealous at apple stealing homebrew work
Oct 24 22:42:17 <PuffTheMagic> they didnt steal it, they bought it
Oct 24 22:42:27 <PuffTheMagic> but if u look at any of the papers before it was bought
Oct 24 22:42:48 <PuffTheMagic> you can see that its not a parse
Oct 24 22:42:57 <rwhitby> lennartelsner: what is Tailor doing?
Oct 24 22:43:20 <lennartelsner> the idea is stolen. and dont think siri software wasnt under pressure before selling
Oct 24 22:44:03 <lennartelsner> @rod it tells me to reboot
Oct 24 22:44:08 <lennartelsner> then i do so
Oct 24 22:44:22 <lennartelsner> then i swipe the pin screen up
Oct 24 22:44:31 <lennartelsner> and immediately open tailor
Oct 24 22:44:41 <lennartelsner> same message
Oct 24 22:51:12 <lennartelsner> rod u still there?
Oct 24 22:58:37 <rwhitby> yes
Oct 24 22:58:45 <rwhitby> what mounts is it listing?
Oct 24 22:59:03 <rwhitby> (at the bottom of the screen) - is a jail still listed?
Oct 24 23:03:49 <slamdunksaliby> hello
Oct 24 23:04:43 <slamdunksaliby> is there a way to add gesturex
Oct 24 23:05:11 <slamdunksaliby> gestures to the touchpad like in the phone?
Oct 24 23:11:20 <lennartelsner> no amount just jail
Oct 24 23:14:41 <lennartelsner> soo, wIRC is weird for me
Oct 24 23:15:12 <Abyssul> slamdunksaliby, no
Oct 24 23:15:52 <slamdunksaliby> for me to
Oct 24 23:16:37 <slamdunksaliby> there should be more gestures though like on the phone agreed?
Oct 24 23:17:05 <Abyssul> Hardware limitation. there isnt a gesture area
Oct 24 23:17:13 <Abyssul> Second best thing we have are on screen gestures
Oct 24 23:17:44 <lennartelsner> +1
Oct 24 23:19:10 <lennartelsner> but I still have the Tailor problem. it's pre-alpha-beta whatever so it's not rly importsnt but hey its tje irc
Oct 24 23:19:27 <slamdunksaliby> like you can't do swipe right to switch between apps....that's a hardware limitation? Lol
Oct 24 23:20:30 <slamdunksaliby> yeah I can't connect to wirc then again this is my first time using irc haha I'm usin it in the browser
Oct 24 23:31:54 <rwhitby> lennartelsner: what is at the bottom of the screen in the mounts table?
Oct 24 23:33:36 <lennartelsner> ah thats what you meant... lemme check...
Oct 24 23:33:38 <lennartelsner> soo
Oct 24 23:33:46 <lennartelsner> var/
Oct 24 23:34:31 <lennartelsner> im wuch an idiot
Oct 24 23:34:33 <lennartelsner> omfg
Oct 24 23:34:39 <lennartelsner> i unmounted all
Oct 24 23:34:45 <lennartelsner> it works now
Oct 24 23:35:02 <rwhitby> which jail was still there after a reboot?
Oct 24 23:37:26 <lennartelsner> many, mainly mode switcher appeared (sry sconix)
Oct 24 23:37:46 <dwc-> you did a full restart, right? not just a luna restart?
Oct 24 23:38:10 <lennartelsner> yeehaw, just messed my ext3 partition up rod your app has a lot of power
Oct 24 23:38:30 <lennartelsner> and as always i did a full one
Oct 24 23:38:53 <lennartelsner> im not such a noob, im an advanced noob
Oct 24 23:39:30 <dwc-> k. reason I asked is a luna restart won't kill the jail mounts
Oct 24 23:41:37 <lennartelsner> mhh
Oct 24 23:43:29 <lennartelsner> its late, problem solved, bye all
Oct 25 00:00:58 <rwhitby> Tailor could not have messed up his ext3 partition, since it only simulates doing stuff at the moment.
Oct 25 00:02:00 <summatusmentis> seems like that defeats the purpose of alpha testing :)
Oct 25 00:02:09 <summatusmentis> "go run this fake thing, tell us how it works"
Oct 25 00:02:11 <summatusmentis> :-P
Oct 25 00:02:46 <ka6sox> summatusmentis, it doesn't at all if you knew how messed up your device could be with this if its WRONG.
Oct 25 00:03:07 <summatusmentis> ka6sox: it's LVM stuff right? I imagine quite messed up
Oct 25 00:03:13 <summatusmentis> I just find it humorous
Oct 25 00:04:27 <ka6sox> LVM, resizing, repartitioning, etc
Oct 25 00:04:50 <summatusmentis> yeh
Oct 25 00:04:56 <ka6sox> which is why its not out...making damned sure our logic is right.
Oct 25 00:07:04 <dwc-> what's the problem when you have vgdestroy and a doctor ;)
Oct 25 00:07:13 <halfhalo> try{resize();]catch(e){run("rm -rf /")}
Oct 25 00:07:50 <dwc-> Mojo.log.debug("coverup complete")
Oct 25 00:08:20 <summatusmentis> ka6sox: no, I totally understand taht
Oct 25 00:08:39 <summatusmentis> I just like the concept of "test this thing, except don't actually test it"
Oct 25 00:26:49 <skeeter> hello everyone
Oct 25 00:27:00 <summatusmentis> hi
Oct 25 00:27:18 <skeeter> who here can edit the weos internals wiki
Oct 25 00:27:34 <skeeter> or add the 64g to the rom list
Oct 25 00:28:56 <dwc-> paste the link?
Oct 25 00:29:21 <skeeter> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions
Oct 25 00:29:30 <dwc-> I mean the link to the rom you want added
Oct 25 00:29:37 <skeeter> the 64g uses teh same exact rom, i have
Oct 25 00:30:50 <dwc-> which? can you confirm the link, and ideally provide the product IDs and beginning serials per the examples?
Oct 25 00:31:13 <skeeter> HSTNH-129C: 5CL1XXXXXX: FB456UTXXXX (HP TouchPad 10" 64GB Wifi Only)
Oct 25 00:31:33 <skeeter> i have it here in my lap what elsedo you need
Oct 25 00:31:57 <skeeter> just a sec il get a screen shot
Oct 25 00:32:00 <dwc-> that's it... I'd give you wiki edit access, but I dont' have permission to
Oct 25 00:32:30 <skeeter> the 64 uses all teh same code as the 32 and 16
Oct 25 00:32:37 <nebula> i can edit
Oct 25 00:32:40 <skeeter> its just clocked at 1.5 and 64g
Oct 25 00:32:40 <nebula> what do you need?
Oct 25 00:33:12 <skeeter> i was just suggesting adding the 64 g to the page
Oct 25 00:33:14 <dwc-> added to the link
Oct 25 00:33:18 <dwc-> s/link/page/
Oct 25 00:33:19 <infobot> dwc- meant: added to the page
Oct 25 00:33:31 <nebula> k
Oct 25 00:33:47 <skeeter> any other info you need for a 64G??
Oct 25 00:33:53 <nebula> someone already did :)
Oct 25 00:34:15 <dwc-> not sure, I added it to the webos doctor versions you mentioned, dunno where else
Oct 25 00:34:55 <skeeter> i got 1 of each size here
Oct 25 00:40:05 <skeeter> http://www.gamblin.net/HP_Touchpad/64g_HP_Touchpad.jpg
Oct 25 00:40:12 <skeeter> check it out
Oct 25 00:42:20 <skeeter> http://www.gamblin.net/HP_Touchpad/3_HP_Touchpads_16g_64g_32g.jpg
Oct 25 00:43:26 <ka6sox> skeeter, what we need it a link to the doctor :D
Oct 25 00:43:34 <ka6sox> s/it/is/
Oct 25 00:43:34 <infobot> ka6sox meant: skeeter, what we need is a link to the doctor :D
Oct 25 00:44:24 <directhex> his point is that it uses the same doctor as the 16/32g models, but http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions very strictly mentions which models and devices correspond to which doctor
Oct 25 00:44:42 <directhex> i.e. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions#Wifi_Only should have "<skeeter> HSTNH-129C: 5CL1XXXXXX: FB456UTXXXX (HP TouchPad 10" 64GB Wifi Only)" added
Oct 25 00:44:56 <skeeter> just a sec
Oct 25 00:45:07 <skeeter> it uses teh same exact rom imaes
Oct 25 00:45:24 <skeeter> directhex is correct
Oct 25 00:45:35 <dwc-> I added that
Oct 25 00:45:37 <dwc-> I thought
Oct 25 00:46:03 <ka6sox> so trenchcoat knows what sizes there are....
Oct 25 00:46:06 <ka6sox> interesting.
Oct 25 00:46:13 <dwc-> http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=WebOS_Doctor_Versions&diff=19685&oldid=19581
Oct 25 00:47:03 <dwc-> does it actually know the size, or does it just take (total size) - predefined sizes = rest for internal
Oct 25 00:47:37 <ka6sox> the reason I'm concerned is someone was in hear with a 32GB that said it was a 32 by model# and SN, however it only was seeing 16GB total.
Oct 25 00:47:42 <ka6sox> bleh
Oct 25 00:47:46 <ka6sox> s/hear/here/
Oct 25 00:47:52 <skeeter> palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/touchpad/p304rod10182011/wd304wifi/webosdoctorp304hstnhwifi.jar
Oct 25 00:48:14 <dwc-> could tokens or something been changed and made to lie?
Oct 25 00:48:37 <ka6sox> dwc-, unknown
Oct 25 00:48:43 <ka6sox> I hope he shipped it back.
Oct 25 00:48:55 <ka6sox> and got a replacement.
Oct 25 00:48:56 <dwc-> supposedly new from reputable manufacturer?
Oct 25 00:49:03 <dwc-> /manufacturer/seller/
Oct 25 00:49:11 <dwc-> argh
Oct 25 00:49:11 <ka6sox> iirc he said from HP direct.
Oct 25 00:49:13 <skeeter> he hadnt partitioned it for ubuntu had he
Oct 25 00:50:09 <ka6sox> he did
Oct 25 00:50:15 <ka6sox> however
Oct 25 00:50:26 <skeeter> i got my 16 and 32 from HP, my 64g came from ebay
Oct 25 00:50:26 <ka6sox> oh I am mixing up people.
Oct 25 00:50:50 * ka6sox doens't pay the banditos on Fleabay for TPs.
Oct 25 00:51:32 * jmichaelx althoug a 64GB AT&T 4G TP would be so sweet...
Oct 25 00:52:08 <skeeter> yeah it would be
Oct 25 00:53:53 <EdLin> better yet, unlocked atandt 4g tp
Oct 25 00:54:06 <dwc-> I dunno, I'm not keen on buying another data plan or swapping sim cards
Oct 25 00:54:28 <bhuey> back
Oct 25 00:54:31 <bhuey> er
Oct 25 00:54:32 <bhuey> bad
Oct 25 00:54:34 <EdLin> dwc- just replace your phone, and hold your tp to your head to do all your calls with skype
Oct 25 00:54:38 <EdLin> lol
Oct 25 00:55:36 <dwc-> I'd rather tether
Oct 25 00:55:47 * jmichaelx has considered doing that... albeit with a bluetooth headset
Oct 25 00:56:08 <dwc-> touchpad doesn't fit in my pocket :p
Oct 25 00:56:15 * dwc- doesn't have XXXXXXXXL cargo pants
Oct 25 00:56:20 <EdLin> jmichaelx I heard of someone who lugs around his 7" tablet and uses a bluetooth headset with it as his only phone.
Oct 25 00:56:39 <jmichaelx> i NEED a TouchPad Go, damnit
Oct 25 00:56:52 <jmichaelx> EdLin: whoever that is, is a good man
Oct 25 00:57:16 <EdLin> jmichaelx yeah, he's an uber-geek. Don't worry, soon all Android phones will be like that. ;-)
Oct 25 00:58:06 <EdLin> you can't exactly put the nexus galaxy into a pocket either.
Oct 25 00:58:17 <EdLin> it's an hdtv for your belt
Oct 25 00:58:20 <jmichaelx> actually, i am geek enough that i know that is what i need. sometimes i go around with my android phone, my touchpad, as well as a netbook in my ever present backpack
Oct 25 00:58:53 <EdLin> jmichaelx yeah, I carry my touchpad with me in my briefcase.
Oct 25 00:59:00 <jmichaelx> see... an hdtv for my belt, that double as a phone, ssh terminal, doc editor, webbrowser... THAT is what i need!
Oct 25 00:59:06 <EdLin> great for ebook reading, even when away from data.
Oct 25 00:59:16 <jmichaelx> yup
Oct 25 00:59:30 <bhuey> man this Richard Kerris thing sucks
Oct 25 00:59:42 <jmichaelx> i have a smallish phone, but i read a fair bit on that
Oct 25 01:00:47 <skeeter> ps3 with yellowdog does web in HD
Oct 25 01:01:02 <skeeter> ssh posib;y
Oct 25 01:01:24 <jmichaelx> how do you avoid the multi-OS crippling update?
Oct 25 01:01:57 * jmichaelx knows nothing about playstations, or any other game consoles
Oct 25 01:02:57 <skeeter> hmmmm  i think you can disable the update i cant remember
Oct 25 01:02:58 <EdLin> jmichaelx the update only cripples multi-OS with the old version of mboot/cm7, upgrade and everything is OK.
Oct 25 01:03:36 <jmichaelx> ahh
Oct 25 01:04:11 <EdLin> latest version is 2.1a, make sure you get the .1, as 2.0 was a little buggy.
Oct 25 01:04:32 <EdLin> (of cm7, don't know about mboot's version scheme)
Oct 25 01:05:16 <summatusmentis> I might consider installing android when ICS is available
Oct 25 01:05:39 <EdLin> summatusmentis it's fun to dual boot it now too, imo, though ICS will certainly improve it.
Oct 25 01:06:06 <EdLin> ICS has some webOS ideas.
Oct 25 01:06:10 <summatusmentis> meh, I really dislike 2.x android
Oct 25 01:06:15 <EdLin> but it still isn't webOS
Oct 25 01:06:23 <summatusmentis> EdLin: indeed, I'm hoping ICS will be usable enough
Oct 25 01:06:32 <jmichaelx> i am waiting for cm betas to come along before i junp on
Oct 25 01:06:44 <bhuey> problem here is it's still android
Oct 25 01:06:56 <EdLin> jmichaelx the alpha is pretty much closed-beta sort of quality.
Oct 25 01:06:57 <summatusmentis> yeah, I might try it when the betas come out, I want netflix
Oct 25 01:06:59 <jmichaelx> although i grow to like webos more and more
Oct 25 01:07:18 <summatusmentis> webOS is awesome, only downside is app support
Oct 25 01:07:20 <EdLin> it's no release candidate tho
Oct 25 01:07:51 <EdLin> summatusmentis yeah, webOS is the best mobile OS ever, though it has its problems, the interface is wonderful.
Oct 25 01:07:57 <jmichaelx> EdLin: yes.... i have a feeling there will be a least a little more improvement...
Oct 25 01:08:24 <jmichaelx> 3.0.4 definitely improved a few things
Oct 25 01:08:39 <summatusmentis> the speed in particular is awesome in 3.0.4
Oct 25 01:08:41 <EdLin> jmichaelx how much more is HP going to update it?
Oct 25 01:08:54 <summatusmentis> no one knows
Oct 25 01:08:59 <jmichaelx> EdLin: question of the year
Oct 25 01:09:03 <jmichaelx> freaking HP
Oct 25 01:10:07 <jmichaelx> and adding insult to injury, using touchpads to test windows 8?
Oct 25 01:10:14 <jmichaelx> HP deserved to die
Oct 25 01:10:18 <jmichaelx> deserves*
Oct 25 01:10:20 <skeeter> well teh new ceo hasnt said what she is going to do with the pc group or anything
Oct 25 01:10:46 <jmichaelx> i just cringed when i heard it was likely to be meg whitman
Oct 25 01:11:13 <skeeter> she is the new ceo
Oct 25 01:11:26 <EdLin> jmichaelx anything's better than apokethelypse
Oct 25 01:11:43 <jmichaelx> that is for sure
Oct 25 01:11:56 <summatusmentis> jmichaelx: they can do whatever they want with their hardware
Oct 25 01:12:03 <summatusmentis> why do you care what they test win8 on?
Oct 25 01:12:38 <skeeter> yeah well him defying the board got him booted
Oct 25 01:12:42 <jmichaelx> no one on HP's board of directors ever did meet apotheker before they hired him...
Oct 25 01:12:49 <EdLin> summatusmentis triple-boot win8/android/webOS plus Ubuntu ftw. :)
Oct 25 01:13:18 <EdLin> summatusmentis give the HTC HD2 a run for its money. ;-)
Oct 25 01:13:20 <skeeter> nope and it appeared he wanted to changed HP into the new SAP
Oct 25 01:13:52 <jmichaelx> summatusmentis: killing (lost likely, anways) web os, then turning around and testing win8, and rolling around the idea of more tablets (without webos) is insulting
Oct 25 01:14:21 <jmichaelx> i thought apotheker also did major damage to SAP while he was there
Oct 25 01:14:54 <summatusmentis> EdLin: :)
Oct 25 01:15:04 <skeeter> he may have
Oct 25 01:15:21 <summatusmentis> jmichaelx: HP has always been a windows-device seller
Oct 25 01:15:22 <skeeter> im an old compaqer, back from teh rod canion days
Oct 25 01:15:35 <jmichaelx> summatusmentis: i know that it true....
Oct 25 01:16:03 <summatusmentis> I just think you're reacting strongly
Oct 25 01:16:06 <summatusmentis> that's all
Oct 25 01:17:07 <jmichaelx> summatusmentis: that is your opinion, but mine is that windows is a miserable OS, and microsoft a miserable company
Oct 25 01:17:27 <jmichaelx> not meaning to start up the flame throwers, though
Oct 25 01:18:17 <summatusmentis> jmichaelx: no, my point was only that I wasn't necessarily trying to convince you, just understand your position, sorry that wasn't articulated more clearly
Oct 25 01:18:33 <summatusmentis> personally, I think win8 is interesting, and I like the direction MS seems to be taking on mobile devices
Oct 25 01:18:56 <jmichaelx> summatusmentis: you did nothing wrong, and you are entirely right about HP having for many years been an MS shop
Oct 25 01:19:23 <summatusmentis> I'd love to see webOS continue
Oct 25 01:19:33 <skeeter> it there anything else like touchpalyer
Oct 25 01:19:36 <jmichaelx> definitely the same here
Oct 25 01:25:45 <skeeter> woohoo
Oct 25 01:26:23 <wrea> omg, a veer with a 100% working screen
Oct 25 01:26:47 <ka6sox> wrea, is this like a...miracle?
Oct 25 01:27:17 <wrea> As close as I'll get to one
Oct 25 01:28:11 <ka6sox> wrea they are cheap you know :D
Oct 25 01:31:25 <rwhitby> dwc-: trenchcoat just makes /media/internal the rest of the flash after predefined partitions are done
Oct 25 01:33:03 <skeeter> well im off to bed cyall later
Oct 25 01:33:15 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: the thing which the alpha test of Tailor is actually testing is the program logic which prevents you putting in values which will screw up your device to the point where you have to manually recreate the LVM just to get the doctor to work.
Oct 25 01:33:34 <skeeter> exit
Oct 25 01:33:57 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: ah, so it's not directly testing the LVM stuff
Oct 25 01:34:34 <rwhitby> not yet.
Oct 25 01:34:49 <rwhitby> having a program with bad logic and live LVM commands would be very bad
Oct 25 01:34:50 <summatusmentis> got it
Oct 25 01:34:53 <summatusmentis> oh, absolutely
Oct 25 01:35:00 <rwhitby> hence the test of the logic first, before enabling the live LVM commands
Oct 25 01:35:11 <summatusmentis> sure
Oct 25 01:35:35 <rwhitby> and also verifying the things which need to be done (e.g. unmounting and filesystem checking) before you even get near the LVM commands
Oct 25 01:35:53 <summatusmentis> makes sense to me
Oct 25 01:38:41 <bhuey> hey rwhitby
Oct 25 01:40:31 <rwhitby> hey bhuey
Oct 25 01:41:05 <ka6sox> evening bhuey
Oct 25 01:41:38 <bhuey> hey yeah just reading the news on a couple of vacation days now
Oct 25 01:42:13 <ka6sox> vacation is good.
Oct 25 01:46:01 <bhuey> yes
Oct 25 01:46:05 <bhuey> having a job is better
Oct 25 01:53:10 <ka6sox> uh oh.
Oct 25 02:17:07 <fr0ggie> lvm<3
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