**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 30 02:59:56 2011
Oct 30 04:41:03 <Icehawk78> Is there any way to get access to sshfs on the touchpad for accessing my files on external networks?
Oct 30 04:47:16 <ka6sox> tmandry, pingu?
Oct 30 04:58:32 <Icehawk78> As an alternate, is it possible to set up the stuff needed to just run make from the tp itself?
Oct 30 04:58:44 <Icehawk78> Not sure other than gcc what's missing
Oct 30 05:03:04 <tmandry> ka6sox: pong
Oct 30 05:03:29 <ka6sox> tmandry, my machine with my creds on it had a crash...any new ipks for me to play with?
Oct 30 05:11:43 <rwhitby> Icehawk78: just install openssh sftp server in Preware
Oct 30 05:12:02 <rwhitby> oh, sorry, you want the other direction
Oct 30 05:15:06 <maxexcloo> Hey, are most patches updated for WebOS 3.04?
Oct 30 05:15:12 <maxexcloo> I'm on 3.02 atm
Oct 30 05:15:16 <maxexcloo> and was curious
Oct 30 05:15:40 <dwc-> you can pull a list of available patches for each on the patch portal (link in topic)
Oct 30 05:16:22 <maxexcloo> thanks
Oct 30 05:16:23 <maxexcloo> :)
Oct 30 05:23:06 <Icehawk78> rwhitby: Yeah, ideally I want to mount my server's /media/sdb1/music folder so that all my music looks like it's local without having to copy
Oct 30 05:23:35 <Icehawk78> And thus accessible natively to all apps
Oct 30 05:24:18 <Icehawk78> It looks like the kernel already has fuse support, so it seems the only thing I need to do is compile or cross-compile sshfs for this
Oct 30 05:25:01 <Icehawk78> Which... isn't really working, because I don't know my head from a hole in the ground when it comes to "compiling from source without a list of copy/pastable steps"
Oct 30 05:28:54 <rwhitby> I think someone has put sshfs in the WIDK already
Oct 30 05:34:50 <Icehawk78> Huh, the setup on the wiki for cross compiling looks WAY less complicated than when I was attempting to do the same thing for android
Oct 30 05:35:15 <Icehawk78> If I cross-compile an app for my tp, will that also work on my Android phone, since that's also ARM?
Oct 30 05:39:03 <jmichaelx> there are a number of different arm cpu's... doubtful your phone has the same cpu as your touchpad
Oct 30 05:41:42 <Icehawk78> Ah, probably not. Wasn't sure how different various types of arm cpus were
Oct 30 05:42:53 <dwc-> depends on what cpu, compiler optimization flags, and what userspace dependencies, etc
Oct 30 06:19:00 <hewball> i gotta say sconix knows his pulseaudio on webos devices :D
Oct 30 07:47:07 <ka6sox> hewball, that would be correct :D
Oct 30 07:47:37 <hewball> his test files he gave me for usb audio switching were spot on
Oct 30 07:47:59 <ka6sox> :D
Oct 30 07:48:32 <ka6sox> I hope to have HDMI working soon....
Oct 30 07:48:36 <ka6sox> its "close"
Oct 30 07:52:23 <hewball> awsome
Oct 30 07:57:45 <hewball> is that via USB displaylink or something different?
Oct 30 08:01:38 <hewball> i have been getting weird usb errors in logs are its been unplugged and replugged... 2011-10-30T07:55:06.623083Z [3779] webos-device kern.err kernel: [ 3779.996899] 14:1:1: usb_set_interface failed
Oct 30 08:01:51 <hewball> wondering if its my hub not responding
Oct 30 08:24:58 <jmichaelx> ka6sox: i have not been paying attention, and should have been asleep hours ago, but you have not hard-modded a touchpad and given it hdmi, have you?
Oct 30 08:35:12 <ka6sox> no
Oct 30 08:35:27 <ka6sox> something different...assuming it works...
Oct 30 08:35:37 <ka6sox> has to do with OTG.
Oct 30 10:58:12 <zottffssen> How do I uninstall the palm SDK?
Oct 30 10:58:19 <zottffssen> Palm forums give me 404
Oct 30 11:00:17 <Frost> zottffssen: I think the installer comes with an uninstall-script (at least on linux/osx it does), so if you've still got that one somewhere, you could just run the uninstaller from there. Otherwise you could just download the installer again...
Oct 30 11:00:50 <zottffssen> I'm on OS X but I don't think that I have the installer
Oct 30 11:00:56 <zottffssen> I'll just grab it off the wiki
Oct 30 11:00:58 <zottffssen> thanks
Oct 30 13:38:32 * Soruk got xpdf to run on the TP (native+X, not chroot)... spurred on by the standard PDF reader being utter crap. My fiancee's accounting ebooks showed as blank pages (yet the thumbnails were right)
Oct 30 14:27:48 <oldtopman> How do you make a chroot?
Oct 30 14:28:00 <oldtopman> Sorry if this is offtopic
Oct 30 16:14:50 <Abyssul-TP> Has anyone seen this? http://www.spinics.net/lists/cpufreq/msg02558.html
Oct 30 16:15:13 <Abyssul-TP> Palm GBU rep posting on a linux kernel forums
Oct 30 16:44:43 <Icehawk78> Is it possible to edit app data in webos? And if so... how?
Oct 30 16:44:53 <Icehawk78> ie externally
Oct 30 16:59:09 <dwc-> what do you mean by app data?
Oct 30 16:59:25 <dwc-> it's going to depend on how the app decides to store its data
Oct 30 17:05:33 <hmmmm> whenever i go to some website with a search feature, i get a "tap to add search engine" notification
Oct 30 17:05:37 <hmmmm> and it just won't go away
Oct 30 17:05:51 <hmmmm> i don't want to add it as a search engine, in fact, i don't want to add ANYTHING as a search engine
Oct 30 17:05:59 <hmmmm> is there any patch to solve this annoyingness?
Oct 30 17:06:06 <lennartelsner> theres a patch for that
Oct 30 17:07:59 <hmmmm> why do you have to install patches to fix fundamentally broken UI designs or whatever
Oct 30 17:08:03 <hmmmm> that's what i want to know
Oct 30 17:08:09 <lennartelsner> it's called disable dashboard searchengine notifications
Oct 30 17:08:58 <lennartelsner> it's a feature, not a bug (in my  eyes)
Oct 30 17:10:27 <hmmmm> it's a poorly designed feature.... one where you can't even say "no, i do not wish to add this as a search engine"
Oct 30 17:10:34 <hmmmm> who came up with half this crap anyway?
Oct 30 17:10:50 <hmmmm> even i can do a better job at pretty much everything
Oct 30 17:12:06 <hmmmm> also, i can't update any packages from preware it seems
Oct 30 17:13:07 <hmmmm> Failed -1: Unable to run command: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps /bin/sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/webosinternals.patches.system-muffle-system-logging.prerm 2>&1
Oct 30 17:13:45 <dwc-> you can swipe it away
Oct 30 17:13:55 <dwc-> and it doesn't come back
Oct 30 17:13:57 <hmmmm> that's not a command, that's a shell builtin ;_; did HP change the default shell or something?
Oct 30 17:14:03 <hmmmm> I want to keep my stuff up to date
Oct 30 17:14:03 <lennartelsner> what do you expect? preware relies on a server, servers have to be paid
Oct 30 17:14:08 <dwc-> though other websites do
Oct 30 17:14:42 <dwc-> hmmmm: what's the rest of the error
Oct 30 17:15:04 <dwc-> lennartelsner: that error has nothing to do with a server being up or down
Oct 30 17:15:12 <hmmmm> then i tjust goes into a loop of "Ureversed patch detected! Ignore -R? [n]"
Oct 30 17:15:26 <hmmmm> Apply anyway? [n]
Oct 30 17:15:39 <hmmmm> 12 out of 12 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file etc/PmLog.conf.rej
Oct 30 17:15:40 <dwc-> saved packages list, then install emergency patch recovery
Oct 30 17:15:52 <lennartelsner> i wrote the msg when he didnt report the error;)
Oct 30 17:16:06 <hmmmm> how do i save the package list?
Oct 30 17:16:30 <lennartelsner> its saved automatically
Oct 30 17:16:32 <dwc-> preware, dropdown menu
Oct 30 17:16:56 <dwc-> and update
Oct 30 17:18:18 <hmmmm> alright
Oct 30 17:18:29 <hmmmm> and emergency patch recovery... is that built in or another package i need to install?
Oct 30 17:19:05 <hmmmm> got it
Oct 30 17:19:39 <hmmmm> uh oh what is this doing... it replaced the /etc/hosts with the "original file"
Oct 30 17:19:47 <hmmmm> which means my ad blocking was reversed
Oct 30 17:19:53 <hmmmm> what is this emergency patch recovery actually doing?
Oct 30 17:20:03 <dwc-> yep, that is why you updated your saved packages list
Oct 30 17:20:07 <dwc-> so you can use it to reinstall-all
Oct 30 17:21:06 <hmmmm> what i want to know is why the package manager broke in the first place
Oct 30 17:21:28 <dwc-> the OTA replaced some files in a patch, but not others
Oct 30 17:21:37 <dwc-> so it's not a clean removal or install
Oct 30 17:21:47 <hmmmm> so this should be standard procedure after an OTA?
Oct 30 17:21:50 <dwc-> you could fix it from the terminal by selectively fixing
Oct 30 17:21:56 <dwc-> patching by hand
Oct 30 17:21:59 <hmmmm> i'd rather not
Oct 30 17:22:01 <dwc-> but for most people this is easier
Oct 30 17:22:20 <hmmmm> also, does running Xterm drain your battery life quicker?
Oct 30 17:22:24 <hmmmm> i think that's something i've noticed
Oct 30 17:22:47 <hmmmm> battery seems to last forever when i don't have an xterm open
Oct 30 17:23:25 <hmmmm> hmm so now how do i reinstall-all?
Oct 30 17:23:41 <hmmmm> ipkg-opt reinstall-all?
Oct 30 17:25:07 <dwc-> go back to the saved package list (don't update the list this time)
Oct 30 17:25:30 <hmmmm> and then Install Alll?
Oct 30 17:25:39 <dwc-> yup
Oct 30 17:26:15 <hmmmm> well, at least fixing webos was more pleasant than expected
Oct 30 17:26:18 <hmmmm> i did it all from within luna
Oct 30 17:26:34 <hmmmm> uh oh
Oct 30 17:26:40 <hmmmm> IPKG LOG
Oct 30 17:26:52 <hmmmm> bunch of stuff seems fine
Oct 30 17:27:16 <hmmmm> then once again when i get to Postinst i get the same command that failed before
Oct 30 17:27:34 <hmmmm> this is the org.webosinternals.patches.browser-private-browsing
Oct 30 17:27:53 <hmmmm> so i take it that patch is broken?
Oct 30 17:35:02 <dwc-> hmm, I odn't use that patch, and I'm on 3.0.4, so I'm not sure
Oct 30 17:35:06 <dwc-> s/on/not on/
Oct 30 17:35:07 <infobot> dwc- meant: hmm, I odn't use that patch, and I'm not on 3.0.4, so I'm not sure
Oct 30 17:35:24 <fudge_> anyone having trouble with Govnah reporting stock 600mhz instead of the overclocked speed on the pixi?
Oct 30 17:36:41 <fudge_> heh, all of a sudden it works
Oct 30 22:25:51 <rwhitby> amazing the number of people having trouble with patching that don't go to the "Important Notes" in the patching section of the Preware Homebrew Documentation app, which has a pointer to the exact solution they need ...
Oct 30 22:39:48 <NuttyBunny_Pre3> rwhitby: Many people hasn't even bought the documentation app
Oct 30 22:42:59 <EricBlade-TP> anyone else mess with TIDE ?  is it putting the cursor in the wrong location for others?
Oct 30 22:46:00 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny_Pre3: they need to fix that omission then ;)
Oct 30 22:48:58 <PuffTheMagic> EricBlade-TP, depending on the font you choose it has some issues
Oct 30 22:49:28 <PuffTheMagic> sorry font and size
Oct 30 22:49:40 <PuffTheMagic> there are a few combinations that are not correct for some reason
Oct 30 22:49:47 <EricBlade-TP> on the default Lucida Console, my cursor appears in one spot, but when I enter input, it ends up in another spot
Oct 30 22:49:55 <EricBlade-TP> suggestions for functional font setting?
Oct 30 22:50:12 <PuffTheMagic> what size is it set to
Oct 30 22:50:18 <PuffTheMagic> i think 16 and 18 are the bad ones
Oct 30 22:50:25 <EricBlade-TP> default 12
Oct 30 22:51:03 <PuffTheMagic> install bitstream mono then from preware
Oct 30 22:51:09 <PuffTheMagic> or some better font
Oct 30 22:52:22 <EricBlade-TP> hmm. i bumped it to 14, and it works in regular text, but when i load a js with highlighting, it goes off again
Oct 30 22:58:28 <EricBlade-TP> no love with the bitstream font either. oh well, thanks though
Oct 30 23:06:14 <fudge_> anyone have any pixi parts they can sell me?
Oct 30 23:20:13 <jacques> I have a wing and an ear I would part with.
Oct 30 23:25:18 <ka6sox> anyone have a digitizer for a Pixi/Pixi+ (like a phone that is no longer in use)
Oct 30 23:45:34 <jj_> preware
Oct 30 23:48:24 <fudge_> lol wut
Oct 30 23:50:21 <ka6sox> fudge_, great ideas you have...look forward to seeing them!
Oct 30 23:57:41 <ka6sox> hewball, ping?
Oct 31 00:13:33 <hewball> ka6sox: hai
Oct 31 00:14:07 <ka6sox> hi hi...what are you using to do GPS logging? are you using a webOS device?
Oct 31 00:14:57 <hewball> map tool pro, can log tracks with a bluetooth gps
Oct 31 00:15:36 <hewball> but i use an arduino to SD mostly
Oct 31 00:18:54 <ka6sox> ah, okay...I go to places that are often not on published Maps...
Oct 31 00:19:09 <ka6sox> places where if you get "stuck" they don't send the AA out to rescue you.
Oct 31 00:19:31 <hewball> if you even have phone signal...
Oct 31 00:19:38 <ka6sox> right
Oct 31 00:20:11 <ka6sox> but if I don't come back...then a GPS track with appropriate info could be loaded into lets say...a Garmin, and they can trace that route.
Oct 31 00:20:36 <hewball> aprs then?
Oct 31 00:21:10 <wrea> aprs ftw
Oct 31 00:21:22 <wrea> The main reason I want to get a ham license
Oct 31 00:21:29 <hewball> wrea: so do i
Oct 31 00:21:31 <ka6sox> I do have that too... a little KPC2 and a 2Meter rig.
Oct 31 00:21:58 <ka6sox> 10W TX for the APRS.
Oct 31 00:22:13 <ka6sox> hewball, thats a good idea too...
Oct 31 00:22:35 <wrea> I actually was planning on doing a weather balloon loaded with an arduino.
Oct 31 00:22:36 <hewball> if you dont want logging as such but to share where you are incase, thats the best
Oct 31 00:22:38 <ka6sox> I had a previous car stolen...APRS tracked it and the Thieves got caught.
Oct 31 00:22:51 <wrea> Just cant justify the balloon and helium for it atm
Oct 31 00:22:56 <wrea> ka6sox, awesome
Oct 31 00:23:08 <ka6sox> wrea, I have a pixi that I flew....
Oct 31 00:23:21 <ka6sox> going to fly it again soon.
Oct 31 00:23:31 <wrea> :)
Oct 31 00:23:53 <ka6sox> trying to stay relatively stationary @ about 60k feet...
Oct 31 00:24:14 <ka6sox> for long durations (days)
Oct 31 00:24:15 <wrea> I have a packet radio shield, just need the transmitter
Oct 31 00:24:39 <ka6sox> the Arduino draws too much power for me.
Oct 31 00:24:57 <ka6sox> I am working on getting the processor below 1ma Average.
Oct 31 00:25:22 <hewball> ka6sox: im using an arduino mini pro, hand soldered to a adafruit gps logger shield, with a CSR bluetooth attached to the serial data line out of gps for use on touchpad
Oct 31 00:25:38 <ka6sox> kewl.
Oct 31 00:25:58 <hewball> 1600mah iphone3g battery attached to a li-ppo rider for power
Oct 31 00:26:13 <ka6sox> thats enough
Oct 31 00:26:45 <hewball> fits in a small otterbox, so i zip tie it to the roof rack
Oct 31 00:27:53 <ka6sox> ah...
Oct 31 00:28:26 <ka6sox> the APRS gear was buried near the wheelwell...
Oct 31 00:28:47 <ka6sox> antenna was coupled to the heater wires on the rear screen.
Oct 31 00:28:58 <hewball> thats neat
Oct 31 00:34:07 <wrea> It's been awhile since i looked at my code
Oct 31 00:35:22 <ka6sox> okay, I gotta run for a bit...
Oct 31 00:35:23 <ka6sox> bbl
Oct 31 00:36:47 <wrea> If I did it correctly, I should have gotten it to predict where it could land based on various parameters
Oct 31 00:39:10 <wrea> hewball, have you gotten pulse to build from source?
Oct 31 00:39:24 <hewball> havnt tried
Oct 31 00:41:07 <hewball> the udev module would be great though
Oct 31 00:41:46 <wrea> Yeah
Oct 31 00:42:26 <wrea> I have avahi compiled, so I was trying to get that module compiled
Oct 31 00:43:04 <hewball> ahh
Oct 31 00:43:38 <Soruk> rwhitby Is there anything else I need to do?
Oct 31 00:43:42 <Soruk> Oops.
Oct 31 00:43:49 <wrea> 'trying'
Oct 31 00:44:27 <wrea> Last time I looks the udev libs werent on the tp, or at least not in /lib
Oct 31 01:12:28 <dwc-> rwhitby / nuttybunny_pre3 ... taht also assumes they read the documentation ...
Oct 31 01:12:35 <dwc-> whether in-app or not ...
Oct 31 01:13:57 <Abyssul> rwhitby, your welcome for that link you tweeted :p
Oct 31 01:17:16 <rwhitby> Abyssul: what's your twitter handle?
Oct 31 01:19:13 <Abyssul> haha I dont use twitter :p
Oct 31 01:19:25 <Abyssul> You are the only person I "manually" follow
Oct 31 01:19:47 <Abyssul> I went searching for the governor parameter definitions and ran across that
Oct 31 01:20:11 <rwhitby> how would you prefer attribution to be denoted? just "Abyssul" or something else?
Oct 31 01:20:30 <Abyssul> Yeah Abyssul works
Oct 31 01:21:46 <Abyssul> Found that floor and tickle means: "raise the frequency for controlled  *     periods of time"
Oct 31 01:22:16 <Abyssul> Doesnt seem to work as described though
Oct 31 01:23:25 <Abyssul> sweetness, recognition ^.^
Oct 31 01:23:55 <rwhitby> great find, BTW.
Oct 31 01:24:23 <Abyssul> How does that help at all? Isnt it the source code we already have?
Oct 31 01:25:06 <rwhitby> it's identical to what we have already, but shows an intent.
Oct 31 01:25:58 <Abyssul> Yeah. The fact that they are still trying to "expand" (this was posted a week from now) as rumors go around that webOS is kicking the can shows some potential.
Oct 31 01:26:49 <rwhitby> well, upstreaming could be seen as either expanding, or "tidying up your affairs"
Oct 31 01:27:22 <Abyssul> Oh yeah... no bueno
Oct 31 01:27:49 <jacques> I hope the October issue of Pivot comes out soon!
Oct 31 01:28:06 <dwc-> don't worry, it was leaked in time for the promo codes that expired nov 1 to get used up :P
Oct 31 01:28:43 <Abyssul> Yeah seriously Pivot...
Oct 31 01:28:46 <jacques> yay!
Oct 31 01:29:09 <jacques> it'kk come out while I'm at work tomorrow and codes will be depleted by the time I get home
Oct 31 01:29:23 <dwc-> of course, I didn't have time to read all the pages before they got yanked
Oct 31 01:29:27 <Abyssul> I rather get the HP newsletters with promo codes :p
Oct 31 01:29:28 <dwc-> jacques: if you don
Oct 31 01:29:34 <dwc-> 't have the touchpad with you when it comes out
Oct 31 01:29:42 <dwc-> or in the next, oh, 15-30 min
Oct 31 01:29:49 <dwc-> you're not going to get it anyways
Oct 31 01:29:58 <jacques> yeah :-\
Oct 31 01:30:19 <dwc-> it was like not even 15 minutes from newsletter timestamp to smartoffice code being used up
Oct 31 01:30:25 <jacques> damn
Oct 31 01:30:26 <Abyssul> I got it
Oct 31 01:30:31 <dwc-> and the post on the blog, I suspect a smaller number of available codes
Oct 31 01:30:36 <dwc-> but that didn't even last 12 minutes
Oct 31 01:30:51 <wrea> I was lucky that time
Oct 31 01:30:56 <Abyssul> I always get the emails on time so I get first dibs and then post it to the forums
Oct 31 01:31:14 <dwc-> I get the emails, but within 3-4 min it's on slickdeals
Oct 31 01:31:18 <dwc-> and then they're just gone
Oct 31 01:31:45 <dwc-> I had my touchpad fri, but was in a meeting without it (not doing that anymore ;))
Oct 31 01:32:02 <jacques> we don't have wifi at work
Oct 31 01:32:16 <jacques> and even if we dod, it would require a proxy
Oct 31 01:32:21 <dwc-> tried to cash in the code 14 min after it was sent (12 after I received it) and it was gone
Oct 31 01:32:24 <dwc-> freetether!
Oct 31 01:36:14 <Abyssul> dwc-, what about it
Oct 31 01:36:18 <jacques> did I mention I have no data service where I work either?
Oct 31 01:36:25 <jacques> :-(
Oct 31 01:36:43 <jacques> sprint dead zone + giant metal building
Oct 31 01:38:36 <rwhitby> awesome place to work :
Oct 31 01:38:47 <dwc-> could be worse
Oct 31 01:38:54 <wrea> I know how it is to be in a metal building. I was in one when I worked at the refinery, every carrier except sprint didnt get reception
Oct 31 01:38:56 <jacques> oh, and the A/C goes out quite a bit in the summer
Oct 31 01:39:07 <dwc-> you could work inside the faraday cages at companies that do wireless stuff
Oct 31 01:39:16 <Abyssul> Wtf peeps, you need better working conditions o.O
Oct 31 01:39:51 * dwc- doesn't work for one of those, but knows someone who does
Oct 31 01:40:47 * oldtopman has a friend where the normally abysmal service had the 3g go out.
Oct 31 01:41:06 <oldtopman> Just the 3g mind you-calls still worked.
Oct 31 01:51:34 <dwc-> oh look, I didn't attend to my touchpad enough and it updated itself to 3.0.4
Oct 31 01:52:00 <oldtopman> Join the club.
Oct 31 01:52:03 * dwc- dislikes autoupdates
Oct 31 01:52:21 <oldtopman> See earlier.
Oct 31 01:52:47 <dwc-> I'd been telling it "later" for a reason .... *grumbles*
Oct 31 01:53:12 <oldtopman> Don't forget the emergency patch remover.
Oct 31 01:55:43 <dwc-> I don't have any of the patches that need it, afaik
Oct 31 01:56:15 <hewball> yeah so need a 2nd touchpad to test breaking things with
Oct 31 01:56:50 <dwc-> this OTA might have been the reason my internet was annoyingly slow earlier, come to think of it ...
Oct 31 01:57:08 <hewball> as i say that 2 more touchpad touchstones arrived at my door :D
Oct 31 02:11:41 <rwhitby> dwc-: should have just disabled the update
Oct 31 02:12:11 <dwc-> I don't remember seeing something for that (?)
Oct 31 02:13:32 <rwhitby> lines 761 and 762 of http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor/tree/Makefile
Oct 31 02:14:14 <dwc-> enable beta feeds?
Oct 31 02:14:41 <dwc-> ... or are you telling me there's an app to disable it in the beta feeds
Oct 31 02:14:44 <rwhitby> shift-refresh your browser
Oct 31 02:14:51 <rwhitby> DISABLE_UPDATE_DAEMON
Oct 31 02:15:26 <dwc-> ahh
Oct 31 02:15:34 <dwc-> that's 773-774 in mine
Oct 31 02:15:41 <rwhitby> shift-refresh your browser
Oct 31 02:15:45 <dwc-> I did...
Oct 31 02:16:45 <dwc-> blob: 2a6b4110b607c85e554596ae02d8773ea3d4de03 (plain) ?
Oct 31 02:17:08 <dwc-> that's what wget gives me, even... serverside cache maybe?
Oct 31 02:17:35 <rwhitby> yes, we do serverside caching, which shift-refresh kicks
Oct 31 02:18:01 <dwc-> I don't think so...
Oct 31 02:18:36 <dwc-> that just forces the browser to re-pull
Oct 31 02:18:48 <dwc-> http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor/plain/Makefile appears to have the most recent version though
Oct 31 02:19:09 <dwc-> so I suspect your git web thing has cached the html-ized version
Oct 31 02:19:43 <rwhitby> well, I'm seeing it in my browser at those line numbers
Oct 31 02:19:51 <dwc-> which blob version do you get?
Oct 31 02:20:04 <dwc-> in the web version
Oct 31 02:20:04 <rwhitby> so either the server is serving different things at the same URL to me and you, or the caching is happening somewhere between the server output and your eyes
Oct 31 02:21:00 <dwc-> must be the former, as I've tried it from 3 different hosts on totally different connections
Oct 31 02:21:19 <dwc-> which should eliminate any ISP caching
Oct 31 02:21:26 <dwc-> and fetched from the command line with tools that don't cache
Oct 31 02:22:02 <rwhitby> the server hates you then
Oct 31 02:22:08 <dwc-> but, thanks for pointing me at the updatedaemon disable
Oct 31 02:22:18 <hewball> rwhitby: thats a common problem with me :|
Oct 31 02:22:45 <dwc-> I even tried passing ?cachebusting=randomnumbers and it still gives me 2a6b41
Oct 31 02:22:52 <dwc-> so it really hates me
Oct 31 02:23:05 <rwhitby> blob: 2a6b4110b607c85e554596ae02d8773ea3d4de03 (plain) is correct
Oct 31 02:23:41 <dwc-> that is really weird then
Oct 31 02:24:10 <rwhitby> I should have just made you clone it
Oct 31 02:24:15 <dwc-> I have a clone of it
Oct 31 02:24:34 <rwhitby> you'll find it at line 761 in there too
Oct 31 02:24:36 <dwc-> if you hadn't linked me to the gitweb, I probably would have just pull --rebase'd and opened it in vi
Oct 31 02:24:55 <dwc-> and we'd have not had this fun discussion :P
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