**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 04 02:59:57 2011 Nov 04 03:55:06 every time i mount my TP as a USB drive, then unmount it, i get the whole "OWWW! That hurts!" business.... what is this about? Nov 04 03:55:51 ok, rephrase.... does this happen every time to everyone else? Nov 04 04:05:59 nope, mine unmounts cleanly on OSX Nov 04 04:21:20 hmm, i use linux. i really wonder what the issue is Nov 04 04:35:29 jmichaelx: how are you unmounting it Nov 04 04:35:42 in windows and linux there's two ways to do it Nov 04 04:36:04 removing the device, vs ejecting the media in the "device" Nov 04 04:40:32 PatrickC_Away: your friend is matching a 2 month-old ban on *!*androirc*@* Nov 04 04:47:15 rwhitby: what's the license on the hello app, as a whoel? the c-service is pretty well marked, but what about the rest of the files? Nov 04 04:47:30 It's all GPLv2 Nov 04 04:48:17 dwc-: I just added a LICENSE to the top level to clarify Nov 04 04:49:21 dwc-: i have tried with both umount in command line (did not work), and in dolphin (kde's file manager). in dolphin, it claimed that unmounting was successful, but it wasn't Nov 04 04:50:52 just wondering... I think it's a great resource for people learning Nov 04 04:51:15 but I noticed you suggested someone start with hello, simplify it, and then put it in their code Nov 04 04:52:12 which, ianal, might run into some unintended license violations Nov 04 05:02:45 dwc-: indeed, I assumed their code would be open source, but you're right the question was in #webos, not #webos-internals, so that's not a safe assumption at all Nov 04 05:23:46 rwhitby can you tell me again wich service i can use to have an usa credit card, virtual or real from another part of the world ??? i only remember the simon.com but not shipping outside usa :( Nov 04 05:24:04 or if any other here have info, tell me :D Nov 04 05:28:52 folks Nov 04 05:28:54 I use simon.com Nov 04 05:28:57 hey bhuey Nov 04 05:29:04 hey how's it going ? Nov 04 05:29:16 * bhuey thinking about scheduler stuff Nov 04 05:30:02 i've tried to buy a gift card .... but when i have to select the shipping address, there was only usa country no rest of the world :( Nov 04 05:32:45 Darkmagister: yep, find someone in the PreCentral forums that uses your app or patch and get them to be the middle man Nov 04 05:33:28 someone that can receive the card and send to me? Nov 04 05:34:44 i don't know is anyone use my only app for now in the catalog ... and no patch yet ... :( Nov 04 05:43:42 ask on PreCentral then Nov 04 05:43:45 * rwhitby bbl Nov 04 05:57:49 ok thanks Nov 04 05:58:44 you know if anyone are working in an patch for change the top posting to a bottom posting in the replay email ?? Nov 04 06:07:37 Anyone here that can help with my TouchPad? Nov 04 06:07:48 Getting an erro when trying to run webOS doctor. Nov 04 06:07:51 error* Nov 04 06:08:57 I have 2 log files showing the errors. Nov 04 07:37:58 rwhitby: where on the pre3 is the antenna? Nov 04 10:39:38 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/306036-mupdf-port-webos-touchpad.html Nov 04 15:23:03 Hi Nov 04 15:23:46 Is there a Preware patch that will allow me to use wifi http proxy Nov 04 15:55:38 hello Nov 04 15:56:16 is there anyone know how to develop patch of webos Nov 04 16:13:57 webos patches are patches for javascript, css, etc. Nov 04 16:14:01 what is it you're trying to do? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 04 16:14:09 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 04 16:18:14 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 04 17:02:03 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 04 17:03:22 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 04 17:15:12 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 04 17:24:14 2011 Nov 04 17:33:03 Is it unethical to distribute modified .lua files from the Angry Birds game? Nov 04 17:35:04 .lua is just the high scores right? Nov 04 17:35:10 yeah Nov 04 17:35:30 so that is a user generated file and my opinion would be that it is not unethical Nov 04 17:35:47 I'm no expert, but that's the way I see it Nov 04 17:36:08 I didn't think it would be but even if it was, I would take it down if HP/Palm or Rovio asked Nov 04 17:36:51 Created a Angry Birds level unlocker for TP and Pre Nov 04 17:36:57 nice :D Nov 04 17:37:01 cheater! Nov 04 17:37:11 lol Nov 04 17:37:31 Just unlocks it, but deletes your previous scores/settings Nov 04 17:37:45 Limited use imo but someone asked for it Nov 04 17:37:59 maybe you should have it back up the previous scores Nov 04 17:38:14 I'm not that intricate with the ipk format Nov 04 17:38:46 Idk how to code for inst script Nov 04 17:38:52 perhaps just a save/restore file for those apps would work Nov 04 17:39:04 Yeah, I could just ask them to save/restore on their own Nov 04 17:39:15 no, I mean instead of an app Nov 04 17:39:40 .ipk makes it easier to install Nov 04 17:40:30 you could roll an quick app with an enyo or mojo interface with a rooted node.js service to handle the editing of the .lua file Nov 04 17:40:52 Rod's Hello app is a good resource, and he has good postinst code to learn from Nov 04 17:41:36 http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/hello/ Nov 04 17:41:50 Jeez, Im not putting that much effort into a simple request :p Nov 04 17:41:56 ill look into the hello app though Nov 04 17:42:51 do you have some predefined list of scores for each level? Nov 04 17:43:01 or are you just setting completed = true Nov 04 17:43:01 0 is the score Nov 04 17:43:07 You have to set a score Nov 04 17:43:17 (if completed == true) Nov 04 17:43:27 what's lowScore? Nov 04 17:43:31 0 Nov 04 17:43:35 the worst you've done on the level? (any idea what they use it for?) Nov 04 17:43:46 Hmm Idk Nov 04 17:43:52 I never played the game much Nov 04 17:44:01 It gets boring fast and frustrating Nov 04 17:44:30 maybe for a golden egg? Nov 04 17:44:42 but then IDK why individually Nov 04 17:44:42 hm, looks like in later games it's not a plaintext file Nov 04 17:44:51 later games? Nov 04 17:44:57 oh Rio? Nov 04 17:45:04 yea Nov 04 17:45:18 I just peeked at regular, seasons-free, rio-free Nov 04 17:45:34 what feed is the hello app under Nov 04 17:45:45 I don't think it is in preware Nov 04 17:46:10 probably at git.webos-internals.org Nov 04 17:46:46 there is a link to the git source up in the chat a bit Nov 04 17:46:52 but i dont think it is on preware Nov 04 17:47:57 So its just a working example that hasnt been put into a .ipk? Nov 04 17:49:04 my guess is it's targetted at developers, rather than end-users, there's little reason to put it in the feeds Nov 04 17:49:26 meh, I just wanted some links or help with postinstall.scripts Nov 04 17:50:23 http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/hello/tree/control/postinst Nov 04 17:50:52 oh. So the .script is just a series of linux commands Nov 04 17:50:58 yep Nov 04 17:51:08 when is which executed? Nov 04 17:51:18 I figured there would be a preinstal but there isnt Nov 04 17:51:36 postinst is executed after the dpkg's data directory has been copied Nov 04 17:52:47 Guess I could copy the .lua into .baks in the app's directory, backup the old lua data, and rename the new data to the original filename Nov 04 17:53:10 Give me something to learn and do when I get free time Nov 04 17:53:50 Can a .ipk consistly of only .scripts? Nov 04 17:54:45 so the pmPostInstall.script and pmPreRemove.script go at the root level of the package. If you choose to use postinst and prerm, those go in the control directory Nov 04 17:55:07 all 4 are shell scripts Nov 04 17:56:16 whats the difference between pmPostInstall and postinst Nov 04 17:57:15 I believe the pmPostInstall is the one that palm-install will honor and postinst is for preware and allows it to have logging, but I could have them backwards. I've got a log of Rod explaining it and will open it up when I get to my other comp Nov 04 17:57:46 Probably seems right Nov 04 17:57:48 pm = Palm Nov 04 17:58:44 my thread: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/306095-patch-unlock-all-angry-bird-levels-smartphone-touchpad.html#post3235556 Nov 04 17:59:03 Should I upload this to the PreCentral feeds? Nov 04 18:04:34 yeah the pmP*.script files are the palm files and postinst prerm are for preware Nov 04 18:07:14 o.O just joined, said that, and left Nov 04 18:07:27 lol Nov 04 18:08:20 Abyssul: sorry, my other nick Nov 04 18:08:34 Abyssul: one for work one for home, so I don't have issues when I leave the comp on Nov 04 18:09:17 and I happen to be working from home today Nov 04 18:10:04 oh lol Nov 04 18:21:04 anyone know how to get a up key with the virtual keyboard in xterm? Nov 04 19:07:22 Need some help Nov 04 19:07:38 ~asktoask Nov 04 19:07:39 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Nov 04 19:09:35 Have preware loaded. Had not connected to net in a while as I replaced machine with android. Just connected last hour and about 5 minutes later watched as someone started controlling my machine remotely...going thru my email. Need to know if this would be a random hack or if there is someway to find out if there is something loaded backdoor on my machine. Nov 04 19:10:00 on your tp? Nov 04 19:10:24 Palm pre minus upgraded to palm pre 2 Nov 04 19:10:45 that is bizarre, have you added any feeds other than the ones that come with preware? Nov 04 19:10:50 testing feeds, etc? Nov 04 19:10:54 None at all. Nov 04 19:11:12 More than a little bizarre Nov 04 19:11:45 yeah, what gets me is that you saw it. most hacks would be backend. not like a vnc session Nov 04 19:12:04 how long did it last Nov 04 19:12:48 The network that I was on was at a clients. Port forwarding going on there but nothing point to my palm...I don,t know if my putting or attempting to allow remote access in the past opened up a door ... Nov 04 19:13:23 It lasted until I pulled the plug on the wireless. Phone service had been cut off after I moved to android and moved number to new unit Nov 04 19:14:39 Now for the fun part...wife was caught cheating on me last march...since that time, thru when the phone was rl Nov 04 19:15:39 Replaced...she has been coming up with info that was not normally available to her. So my thinking is that maybe she got someone to install something on unit...not tryng to be paranoid. It,s been a lovely year already... Nov 04 19:16:27 that sounds a bit elaborate, but if you really saw what you say you saw and it wasn't just a touchscreen glitch, I'd blow the device out with webos doctor Nov 04 19:17:09 there is no litmus test for a rootkit, it could be anywhere, you'd be best just wiping the device Nov 04 19:17:51 I know. At first I thought maybe, somehow, android while I was using was passing some type of signals. Messages were definitely being opened and swipes were being done to go backward. The backup lights were lit. Is that even possible remotely. Everything being possible,night? Nov 04 19:18:21 Cow Nov 04 19:18:50 I've never heard of anything like it on a phone Nov 04 19:18:54 Could I reconnect and start monitoring at router level and trap incoming outgoing requests then trace back? Nov 04 19:20:03 On the flip side, I was removing viruses from client computer...maybe they have something bigger on the inside already and someone was able to get in that way... Nov 04 19:20:47 I,ve been doing computer stuff for 20 years and never saw something like this... Nov 04 19:21:27 that is most strange, good luck Nov 04 19:21:49 Thanks Nov 04 19:46:12 anyone here get the webos newsletter issue 9? Nov 04 19:46:31 i did a second ago and the promo codes are already not working Nov 04 19:46:44 it was less than a minute after the email Nov 04 19:46:59 when i called hp they told me oh well too bad and hung up Nov 04 19:47:17 has hp officially stopped supporting the touchpad? Nov 04 19:54:24 that's poor customer service, I don't believe they have stopped supporting it Nov 04 19:55:08 call them back, and find out who you are talking to and what call center they are at Nov 04 19:57:08 ok Nov 04 19:57:31 of course try the polite way first :D Nov 04 19:57:42 when i first called the line was connected but nobody picked up the phone for like 3 minutes Nov 04 19:57:54 just lots of background noise Nov 04 19:58:04 ok, bout to call em back Nov 04 19:58:06 I'm sure the folks working there are under a lot of stress. they just went through some serious layoffs in webos support Nov 04 19:58:22 after the 500 from last month? Nov 04 19:58:33 no the 500 was what I was referring to Nov 04 19:58:38 ah Nov 04 19:58:56 im surprised there is staff after 500 layoffs Nov 04 19:59:16 my understanding was that the unit was somewhere around 3500 people at full size Nov 04 19:59:32 wow, what did they do? Nov 04 19:59:38 thats a big ass staff Nov 04 19:59:46 oh, i mean the webos unit as a whole Nov 04 19:59:51 ah Nov 04 19:59:55 yeah Nov 04 20:00:08 but I could be wrong, I glean what I can from the threads on the palm dev Nov 04 20:00:43 they didnt even ask for a name, serial # or anything Nov 04 20:00:50 the first time i called Nov 04 20:01:03 anycase, if they blow you off again, get their name and call center. Go register at the palm dev forums, and explain your situation. the developer relations team is great. they will prob take care of it Nov 04 20:01:17 developer.palm.com Nov 04 20:03:07 liam at phillipenes call center Nov 04 20:03:10 gotta love slickdeals Nov 04 20:03:30 what's there today? Nov 04 20:03:51 those promo codes :P Nov 04 20:04:59 I was out, so I couldnt even try. But none of them looked very interesting anyway Nov 04 20:05:12 resistivecorpse: HP mail is a mess. the coeds were actully published hours ago, so they are all used up now Nov 04 20:05:37 green--, damn them! Nov 04 20:05:41 I usually get mail form HP days after it was sent, sigh Nov 04 20:05:52 in one case, a week after Nov 04 20:06:09 haha Nov 04 20:06:14 they suck Nov 04 20:06:16 this includes everything from order confirmations to RMA to everything else Nov 04 20:06:26 :( Nov 04 20:08:14 on the phone w/ them now Nov 04 20:08:30 im sorry Nov 04 20:08:31 :P Nov 04 20:08:32 this guy seems more helpful for now Nov 04 20:08:37 :( Nov 04 20:08:46 on hold....... Nov 04 20:08:49 grrr Nov 04 20:09:01 i hope i never have to do an rma with palm again Nov 04 20:09:19 haha, same here Nov 04 20:09:40 Worst experience ive ever had Nov 04 20:09:58 green--, if thier mail sevice is messed up how do they plan to get info to their customers? i wonder how many other calls they're getting for this Nov 04 20:10:15 no, definitely not worst for me. The part where they send you overnight box to ship your unit back to them is nice. Nov 04 20:10:28 if only the rest was as good ;) Nov 04 20:10:48 i wanna ask to trade my tech support for a cash refund ;) Nov 04 20:10:55 They didnt tell my about the box, so i paid for shipping myself Nov 04 20:11:05 that sucks Nov 04 20:11:14 They also had me send it to the wrong place Nov 04 20:11:14 yup Nov 04 20:11:31 Then didnt do anything with it/lied about that for a month Nov 04 20:11:47 yes, the "did not do anything for a month" happened to me too. Nov 04 20:11:51 wrea, wow Nov 04 20:11:51 Then sent it to the right place, fixed it and sent back to me unfixed Nov 04 20:11:54 and then they just sent me another unit Nov 04 20:11:56 these guys Nov 04 20:12:33 Then they just did an advanced exchange after i yelled at them Nov 04 20:13:46 So, I hate libtool Nov 04 20:16:41 ok, rep says there are @200,000 touchpads in the wild and they have no idea how many promo codes can go thru before its blocked Nov 04 20:17:03 so no % idea how many people get to use em Nov 04 20:17:30 and since its first come first serve it doesnt matter that they screwed up Nov 04 20:17:35 ...oh dearest hp, why do you do this? Nov 04 20:17:42 i just gotta put up with it Nov 04 20:18:01 boy i LOVE that company Nov 04 20:18:29 * resistivecorpse might be lying about loving them ;) Nov 04 20:21:49 there are a huge number of promocodes for something, and i am at work with no touchpad? Nov 04 20:21:52 drats Nov 04 20:22:01 13:13 < wrea> So, I hate libtool Nov 04 20:22:04 story of my life Nov 04 20:22:07 you and many others of us =] Nov 04 20:22:35 what is the promocode for, if i might ask? Nov 04 20:25:22 grep_awesome: the email was sent half an hour before you asked your question... and was posted on slickdeals 3 minutes later. slickdeals reports the codes were all used up 27 minutes later. Nov 04 20:25:33 lol Nov 04 20:25:37 ooh, just got an email from hp Nov 04 20:25:47 all it says is thanks for letting us help Nov 04 20:25:49 :( Nov 04 20:25:55 dwc: lol Nov 04 20:26:02 help with what? telling me im sol? Nov 04 20:26:04 i do not get the emails for some reason, although i did sign up for them Nov 04 20:26:29 jmichaelx, its cool, they wont come on time to get used Nov 04 20:26:34 thats why i called em Nov 04 20:26:46 and they didnt help. of course Nov 04 20:27:04 resistivecorpse: no idea how many redemptions per code... ask someone who's had their app featured Nov 04 20:27:07 i love how promocodes are always 'good until 12:00am, some_date', or while supplies last Nov 04 20:27:08 Have to edit the patch for pulseaudio from hp, cause if you dont you wont even be able to get past configure. After that its libtool crap Nov 04 20:27:54 Aw man. Missed another round of promo codes. Nov 04 20:27:57 yea, i have noticed that 'stop pulseaudio; start pulseaudio' does not get sound going anymore... not since 3.0.4 update Nov 04 20:28:22 * mberg really should set up an alert on those mails. Nov 04 20:28:27 god i hate pulseaudio Nov 04 20:28:51 I just hate trying to cross compile it Nov 04 20:28:52 try inglorious apps, they've had one in there... hedami has had music player remix in it... Nov 04 20:30:33 oh and grep_awesome, way to go with cyboot Nov 04 20:30:59 resistivecorpse: thanks :D Nov 04 20:31:07 mberg, i got the email and the codes were expired before i got the email :( Nov 04 20:31:38 grep_awesome, sure, much faster reboot this way. no more seeing moboot Nov 04 20:32:03 there will be never be an end to HP's incompetence (consider that a prophecy) Nov 04 20:32:04 I get the emails fairly early... I should set up procmail to fwd those to my phone Nov 04 20:32:20 * resistivecorpse is going to go drown his sorrows in alchol Nov 04 20:32:30 stupid hp :( Nov 04 20:33:21 things might get better, slowly. Meg Whitman is someone with good cosumer/customer focus. She seems to be making good decisions so far Nov 04 20:33:30 *consumer Nov 04 20:34:44 i think meg whitman was a ridiculous choice, but if she winds up improving things, i'll reconsider my position on that Nov 04 20:35:12 to be less incapable than leo is no major feat Nov 04 20:35:15 "arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: @SYMFILE@: No such file or directory" ftl Nov 04 20:36:05 wrea: cross compiling is always such an adventure Nov 04 20:37:08 @SYMFILE@ looks like a variable substitution that isn't happening Nov 04 20:39:03 grep shows it in ltmain.sh and libtool Nov 04 20:41:23 jmichaelx, hahahaha Nov 04 20:41:42 ok, gonna go get drunk now. thanks guys!!! Nov 04 20:41:59 resistivecorpse: have (much) fun! Nov 04 20:42:23 jmichaelx, i suspect thats why Ray Lane is Exec Chairman... so meg doesn't make the Leo fuckups Nov 04 20:42:30 i will! Nov 04 20:43:07 * resistivecorpse thinks hp tech support could make him an alcoholic Nov 04 20:43:11 lol Nov 04 20:43:16 bye Nov 04 20:43:44 mmm developer touchpads Nov 04 20:44:32 when it was mentioned in several articles that HP's BoD had never met apotheker when they hired him, you could almost hear the palm-to-forehead action spread across the planet Nov 04 20:46:01 its not like he announced killing hte touchpad and spinning off the pc division without talking to the board Nov 04 20:49:23 oilsworkn: that is actually my point.... leo was just another symptom of the board's pre-existing condition Nov 04 20:50:37 and meg was (is?) on the board Nov 04 21:02:41 was/is Nov 04 21:09:08 hi Nov 04 21:10:33 hello Nov 04 21:50:33 grep_awesome: the people you talk to when you call Palm Support do not even work directly for HP or Palm - it's outsourced in another country Nov 04 21:53:51 rwhitby: gotcha, I was under the assumption that Palm's call centers were like the rest of HP's Nov 04 21:54:55 you mean in India? Nov 04 21:55:34 there are HP offices everywhere. India, Ireland, Great Britian, France, Germany, Malaysia, Japan, China, etc to name a few Nov 04 21:56:04 I know customer support is in india for consumer and corp contract support Nov 04 21:56:49 rwhitby: I noticed that Nov 04 21:56:55 even some of that is in the US. Georgia, Texas and Cali Nov 04 21:57:08 certainly not Palm headquarters Nov 04 21:57:14 nobody's there :) Nov 04 21:57:31 i think I only gotten someone in the states once or twice Nov 05 02:27:54 am i missing something? i don't see much bug fix patch in preware feeds Nov 05 02:34:40 were there some before that you are missing? Nov 05 02:35:54 mOo: define "much bug fix patch" Nov 05 02:36:33 s/much/many/ ? Nov 05 02:37:00 like the google single way (instead of bi-direction) sync issue, i don't see a fix there Nov 05 02:38:53 has such a patch been submitted? Nov 05 02:39:38 not sure what bug that is even Nov 05 02:40:34 i don't know. can you point me something that actually fix a bug? i can only see the patches that add features like advanced *** aptch Nov 05 02:40:56 for any non-ascii contact names, the contact data change can only be sync from server to phone, not phone to server, with google account Nov 05 02:41:03 looks like i can actually get pulseaudio to compile Nov 05 02:41:42 Fix AU Dial Plan is a patch that fixes a bug Nov 05 02:42:47 ahhh... I have neither non-ascii contact names, or contacts synced from a google account Nov 05 02:42:58 s/or/nor/ Nov 05 02:42:59 dwc- meant: ahhh... I have neither non-ascii contact names, nor contacts synced from a google account Nov 05 02:43:20 mOo: are you expecting bug fix patches to magically appear in the feeds, or is there a particular one that you know exists but is not there? Nov 05 02:44:06 hrm.. i searched "fix", yes there is "fix au dial plan", beside "arbization fix for messaging app". and "fix no bookmars displayed bug", yet no more. Nov 05 02:44:33 rwhitby: i don't know if there any. i encounter some bugs but find no patch/fix yet Nov 05 02:45:05 there might not be one yet Nov 05 02:45:11 who would you expect to be contributing all these fixes? Nov 05 02:45:24 you talents :P Nov 05 02:45:30 Santa of course Nov 05 02:45:52 no, santa's busy making pre4 for all the good little children Nov 05 02:45:55 He should be getting me a Pre 4 too Nov 05 02:45:57 lol Nov 05 02:46:09 ... which is why you're not getting one ;) Nov 05 02:46:34 My luck, getting stuck with my veer :P Nov 05 02:46:46 hey, maybe he can bring you one with a non-dud screen :( Nov 05 02:46:53 Pre 4 with a 1TB ssd and a blender Nov 05 02:47:10 lol :P Nov 05 02:48:27 * rwhitby teaches Impostah about App Catalog 2.0 requests ... Nov 05 02:49:34 dwc-, seems like global_symbol_pipe in libtool was causing my problem i had earlier Nov 05 02:50:16 awesome Nov 05 02:50:32 hmm...looks like make is stuck in a loop... Nov 05 02:52:29 what should i do to test the patch i made myself? Nov 05 02:52:38 i made it using diff -u Nov 05 02:53:47 I'd test it on the emulator firs Nov 05 02:53:48 t Nov 05 02:54:10 diff -u, rooted at /, applied with -p1 is the format we use Nov 05 02:54:20 then you submit it to patches.webo-internals.org after it is tested Nov 05 02:54:38 patches.webos-internals.org **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 05 02:59:57 2011