**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 10 02:59:58 2011 Nov 10 03:08:12 anyone ever had the problem with their pre Nov 10 03:08:22 when the other party cannot hear nothing but gibberish Nov 10 03:08:33 but you can hear them perfectly Nov 10 04:29:38 sconix: great works, thank you for making advanced * patch for us Nov 10 04:32:57 sconix: i have a noob question. for every framework changes, you apply it to 4 place. the js itself, the concatenated.js, and the compressed one, and possibly mojo/builtins/*. patching js itself is easy, but how do you make the other 3 files? Nov 10 04:35:15 btw, when i do lsof `pidof LunaSysMgr` |grep framework, there's concatenated.js and builtins/*, not the compressed one **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 10 05:56:30 2011 Nov 10 05:58:12 would there be a way to get the music app to play from a webdav folder (like from box.net)? Nov 10 06:10:10 i should really get around to unboxing this touchpad touchstone and pulling it apart :| Nov 10 06:13:23 * jmichaelx likes his touchstone Nov 10 06:15:15 yeah i got an extra one for my car mount Nov 10 08:16:57 submitted a patch that slighty increases the font size in the web browser for the pre3 Nov 10 08:17:13 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/306527-patch-increase-browser-minimum-font-size-16-pre3.html Nov 10 08:27:50 hey guys for some crazy reasons my ubuntu is away Nov 10 08:27:57 i have the xecutah and all the things Nov 10 08:28:01 but if i am running xterm Nov 10 08:28:10 i can't run commands like apt-get Nov 10 08:28:15 it says didn't found Nov 10 10:10:45 technikfreak: xterm is outside of the ubuntu chroot Nov 10 10:11:03 therefore it does not have access to things in the chroot, like apt-get Nov 10 10:13:18 ok Nov 10 10:13:32 so i have to re installed it Nov 10 10:14:34 wi20 Nov 10 10:14:37 Whioops. Nov 10 13:25:27 PatrickC_Away: Just need to restart my server ZNC will be back soon! Nov 10 14:08:57 hello, i am looking for a way to make double space turn into a period space Nov 10 14:09:01 is there a way to do that? Nov 10 14:09:47 I've missed that from blackberry too. Haven't looked into it yet, but if I find a way, I'll be sure to let you know. Nov 10 14:10:00 thanks Nov 10 14:12:20 my best guess would be to tap into the auto correct Nov 10 14:13:02 I'd guess there is some sort of little database on the device with some sort of pattern matching that powers the auto correct. If I can track that down, we'd probably be in business Nov 10 14:13:14 yeah Nov 10 14:13:25 question is if it is in db8 or sqlite Nov 10 14:39:10 pulled the touchstone apart Nov 10 14:39:59 interesting :D Nov 10 14:40:10 hewball: going to share pics, I hope Nov 10 14:40:18 yes Nov 10 14:40:25 hewball: which touchstone? phone or tp? Nov 10 14:40:30 touchpad Nov 10 14:40:36 ooh, I wanna see pics Nov 10 14:43:42 hewball: if you got money to blow tearing it apart send me one please Nov 10 14:43:43 :P Nov 10 14:43:53 is it worth getting the touchstone for the tp? Nov 10 14:44:08 Syco54645_work its for my car install :D Nov 10 14:44:26 haha Nov 10 14:46:03 hewball: what kind of car? Nov 10 14:46:16 4wd, for offroad mapping Nov 10 14:46:48 hewball: nice! Nov 10 14:50:34 man I am guilty of some painful stupidity... I wrote this awesome Luna launcher tab manager without really studying the launcher... Turns out you can't move/delete/rename the default tabs. All you can do is just add a few at the end. So all that code that parses and writes the conf files is mostly useless. Nov 10 14:51:15 why would they have conf files that aren't really respected? Nov 10 14:51:16 grr Nov 10 15:06:56 gah i hate wordpres Nov 10 15:09:24 wordpress is confused, it doesn't know if it wants to be a blog or a cms Nov 10 15:09:35 yes Nov 10 15:11:17 preview http://hewball.com.au/hewballwordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/DSC96191-1024x680.jpg Nov 10 15:12:10 nice :) Nov 10 15:12:50 someone that owns the touchstone Nov 10 15:12:52 pros and cons Nov 10 15:12:53 please Nov 10 15:13:22 i have only touchstones for my pre and pre+ Nov 10 15:13:27 pre2 Nov 10 15:14:01 damn Nov 10 15:14:07 i need to know if $50 is worth it Nov 10 15:14:10 i got the folio case Nov 10 15:14:13 and damn it is nice Nov 10 15:14:18 but for phones it's great Nov 10 15:14:24 touchstone is good, one way to prolong the use of USB port for data transfer Nov 10 15:14:29 hopefully it doesnt peel apart like the ipad case does Nov 10 15:14:39 hewball: yeah Nov 10 15:14:44 does it come with a charger and cable Nov 10 15:14:48 or just the touchstone Nov 10 15:14:59 cable is 1 piece Nov 10 15:15:04 and wall charger too Nov 10 15:15:18 cable is soldered to touchstone Nov 10 15:15:22 eh Nov 10 15:15:25 that is fine Nov 10 15:15:30 but it comes with the stuff to charge it Nov 10 15:15:36 like i dont have to buy a separate charger Nov 10 15:15:40 yeah, it comes out of box with all needed Nov 10 15:16:11 that will help sway my decision Nov 10 15:16:36 http://hewball.com.au/img/_DSC9564.jpg Nov 10 15:17:08 http://hewball.com.au/img/_DSC9561.jpg Nov 10 15:17:22 beautiful Nov 10 15:17:26 how much did you pay? Nov 10 15:17:31 if you dont mind my asking Nov 10 15:17:36 they were like 40 or so on the fleabay Nov 10 15:18:01 damn Nov 10 15:18:06 was hoping for $25 Nov 10 15:18:06 lol Nov 10 15:21:38 hewball: thanks for the pix Nov 10 15:22:22 if wordpress will play ball ill put up a whole bunch Nov 10 15:22:29 49.99 Nov 10 15:22:31 good price? Nov 10 15:22:34 free shipping Nov 10 15:22:36 thats what i paid Nov 10 15:22:45 hmmm Nov 10 15:22:53 i am inclined to think it would be worth it Nov 10 15:23:01 does it have to be exact on it to charge? Nov 10 15:23:01 thats what HP just sold them for here too Nov 10 15:23:12 Syco54645_work: very close to center Nov 10 15:23:23 damn Nov 10 15:23:23 ok Nov 10 15:23:29 * mberg hearts his Touchstone Nov 10 15:23:31 it works with genuine case folded back between it and touchpad though Nov 10 15:24:09 does it charge any faster than the wired? Nov 10 15:24:13 I paid $39.99 for mine Nov 10 15:24:19 Charges a bit slower than wired. Nov 10 15:24:30 you also get exhibition mode Nov 10 15:24:30 mberg: figures... where did you find one for $39? Nov 10 15:24:42 Amazon, through a reseller. Nov 10 15:26:01 I wonder if I could find someone to traid me a pre3 for my iphone 4 Nov 10 15:26:03 I find that w/ the touchstone, setting it down to charge is convienent enough I never run down the battery (whereas, if I have to fiddle with a cable, I sometimes didn't bother plugging in) Nov 10 15:26:06 *trade Nov 10 15:26:28 mberg: you can't sync through it right? Nov 10 15:27:03 Having the phone touchstones so cheap now is nice. Got an extra one for work and for my car. Nov 10 15:28:01 i just got er 6 of those, i have plans for them too Nov 10 15:34:02 i want an induction charger for my thunderbolt Nov 10 15:34:37 i saw a way to use a touchstone and modify the evo to work with it Nov 10 15:35:08 Induction charging is going to be a must-have feature when I eventually have to retire the Pre2. Nov 10 15:35:58 unfortunately, everything is 3rd party now, iirc Nov 10 15:37:05 Yeah. Hoping that changes by the time I need to upgrade. Nov 10 15:38:04 so here goes nothing Nov 10 15:38:05 http://hewball.com.au/2011/11/touchpad-touchstone-dismantled/ Nov 10 15:38:05 Really think that was an undersold feature for Palm. If I were running things, it would have been a bundled feature w/ at least the touchpad. Nov 10 15:38:59 mberg: honestly, I love my phone touchstones so much Nov 10 15:39:07 I thought they were a gimmick, until I start using them Nov 10 15:39:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZXxpJxWJ9s Nov 10 15:42:40 Given the lack of headphone jack on the veer, bundling w/ the touchstone and a rechargable A2DP headset would have been nice. "Welcome to a world without wires." or something like that. Nov 10 15:43:47 palm/hp consistently missed out on advertising Nov 10 15:43:56 but we all know this Nov 10 15:54:10 there's a headphone jack included with the veer :P Nov 10 15:56:15 headphone thing Nov 10 15:56:18 :)) Nov 10 16:04:28 There's a place to connect a dongle, not a headphone jack. :) Nov 10 16:06:04 removable headphone jack Nov 10 16:09:42 Or alternately plug-inable headphone jack. I can't imagine most people would keep it plugged in unless they were actively using it. creates an ugly bump on the side: http://static.arstechnica.com/05-18-2011/veer_headphone_jack_front.jpg Nov 10 16:10:27 I literally used the adapter twice when I had the veer as my main phone Nov 10 16:12:06 and it falls off pretty easily if you bump it Nov 10 16:12:14 at least, that was my experience with the usb cable Nov 10 16:12:35 usb cable, yes, adapter, not so much Nov 10 16:12:55 usb cable caused me to make my first veer have a loose slider Nov 10 16:13:13 interesting Nov 10 16:13:41 mostly because I would pick it up by the cord in the car and it would detach and go flying Nov 10 16:14:13 sounds like you caused the problem then, not the usb cable :P Nov 10 16:14:20 LIES Nov 10 16:14:26 DAMN LIES AND STATISTICS!!! Nov 10 16:15:35 * halfhalo goes to build node 0.6 for webos Nov 10 16:16:00 * dwc- goes to make like a socal'er and get in a car and sit in traffic on a freeway Nov 10 16:16:20 haha..... waitasecond Nov 10 16:31:04 PatrickC: Sorry one more reboot Nov 10 16:31:28 * RichT23 didnt just patch his server to the newly relesed Sol 11 Full honist ;) Nov 10 16:37:55 Oh donkeys bum, i know i should of done this whilst i was at home! Nov 10 16:43:33 summatusmentis: back to touchstones, when i had my blackberry i had a charging dock everywhere Nov 10 16:43:35 i loved it Nov 10 16:43:52 never had to plug it in unless i was at a friends Nov 10 16:43:58 i even had a dock that i took traveling Nov 10 16:44:27 really wish other phones had something either like that or induction Nov 10 16:54:02 I'm totally with you Nov 10 16:55:35 summatusmentis: yeah i put a bid in on the touchstone for my tp Nov 10 16:55:49 I've been meaning to pick one up, and haven't yet Nov 10 16:56:20 yeah Nov 10 16:56:22 ebay right now Nov 10 16:56:29 highest bid so far Nov 10 16:56:31 hopefully i get it Nov 10 16:56:34 the touchstone for tp is awesome, so glad I don't have to mess with the fragile cable Nov 10 16:56:37 cost? Nov 10 16:56:41 42 Nov 10 16:56:48 not bad Nov 10 16:56:50 firesale price Nov 10 16:56:55 yeah Nov 10 16:57:02 wish it was less but oh well Nov 10 16:57:15 I got mine for 40 Nov 10 16:57:21 I have an extra one Nov 10 16:57:39 that I'm going to sell if a friend decides not to want it Nov 10 17:04:26 Clark008: if i dont win then then i will grab it Nov 10 17:04:29 dependiong on price Nov 10 17:05:32 what's your location? Nov 10 17:06:08 it'll be $40 Nov 10 17:06:17 same price I got it for Nov 10 17:06:28 pittsburgh pa Nov 10 17:06:47 I'm in NYC Nov 10 17:07:02 cover shipping? Nov 10 17:07:03 oh cool Nov 10 17:07:05 sure Nov 10 17:07:10 how much would it be Nov 10 17:07:12 any ideas? Nov 10 17:07:14 no idea Nov 10 17:07:33 hmm Nov 10 17:07:40 I'll let you know within a week Nov 10 17:07:41 shouldn't be more than like $5-6. the flatrate box from USPS would fit it Nov 10 17:08:00 it is pretty small Nov 10 17:08:05 I have to wait for a friend to decide if he wants to buy it for me or not Nov 10 17:08:14 if not, then I sell to you Nov 10 17:08:20 yeah, shouldn't be much Nov 10 17:10:07 Clark008: ok cool Nov 10 17:10:13 pending if i win this one on ebay or not Nov 10 17:10:21 will know in a few hours Nov 10 17:12:04 Clark008: 3hr 27m Nov 10 17:12:32 cant wait for my screen protectors to come in Nov 10 17:14:17 PM me in a week Nov 10 17:14:30 cool, also let me know if you win or not Nov 10 17:14:42 I didn't find a screen protector necessary for the TP Nov 10 17:14:47 it's gorilla glass Nov 10 17:15:01 aside from the fingerprint smudges, I can deal Nov 10 17:45:37 Clark008: it is gorilla glass? Nov 10 17:45:43 im still just anal Nov 10 17:45:53 if it even got a hairline scratch i would be upset Nov 10 17:52:19 Anybody have an alternate download for the automation script for setting up Ubuntu chroot. The URL in the linked forum post is not working... Nov 10 17:58:00 Never mind... just needed to read the last page of the thread Nov 10 17:58:02 Thanks anyway Nov 10 18:37:00 Syco54645_work - pretty sure it is Nov 10 18:37:10 cause I tried to key it and it didn't scratch Nov 10 18:37:23 i see Nov 10 18:39:31 Gorilla Glass FTW Nov 10 18:39:43 * halfhalo has lion glass Nov 10 18:40:22 ka6sox-away: you are away Nov 10 18:47:11 43 Nov 10 19:00:15 would there be a way to mount a webdav folder on a touchpad? i am wondering about playing music stored on box.net in the music app. Nov 10 19:02:11 jmichaelx, this should work http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/davfs2 Nov 10 19:04:11 well yea, it might work (it is working fine on this computer). was just wondering if that would be the way to go about ti on a touchpad... or is there some built-in support for this, or an already existing app.... Nov 10 19:05:01 afaik, no app for it or support Nov 10 19:05:25 well, if you think it might work, i may give it a shot Nov 10 19:06:04 of course, if it doesn't work, i'll blame some guy in irc named wrea Nov 10 19:06:17 :-) Nov 10 19:06:43 his real name is supposedly Will, so you can just search the internet for him if it doesn't work Nov 10 19:06:48 there can't be too many of them Nov 10 19:06:59 sweet, tyvm for the info Nov 10 19:07:27 thanks grep :P Nov 10 19:07:30 im here to help Nov 10 19:08:20 jmichaelx, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202761 Nov 10 19:09:25 meh Nov 10 19:09:59 wrea: yep... i have it all working here on this computer... just was not sure if there might be a reason this could not work on a TP Nov 10 19:10:16 should work fine Nov 10 19:10:27 it works well, by the way Nov 10 19:10:45 ok , many thanks Nov 10 19:10:56 jmichaelx: if you are particularly ambitious, you could build a node service to sync it Nov 10 19:11:09 Nov 10 19:11:53 i doubt i have the needed skillz Nov 10 19:11:56 speaking of pain in the rear projects, has anyone tried to build ruby on the tp (not under the ubuntu chroot) Nov 10 19:12:34 ipkg-opt install ruby Nov 10 19:12:36 :P Nov 10 19:12:48 ... *shameface* Nov 10 19:13:00 my ignorance is bad for my pride Nov 10 19:13:50 lol, i usually build stuff into packages that are available via ipkg because i'm aiming to offer it publicly Nov 10 19:14:00 But if its just for you, ipkg is great Nov 10 19:14:05 can anybody give me advice about webdav js library / service to access file server ? Nov 10 19:14:08 wrea, is it in Optware? Nov 10 19:14:21 * ka6sox-farfarawa never looked for it. Nov 10 19:14:34 Yeah Nov 10 19:14:41 rubygems is too Nov 10 19:14:59 it seems like the further away ka6sox gets, the more active he gets... he must be a gas or something Nov 10 19:15:08 wrea: thanks Nov 10 19:15:30 wrea: it's ruby time Nov 10 19:16:09 grep_awesome's TP grinds to a halt. Nov 10 19:16:50 * grep_awesome ponders starting a nerd fight over ruby Nov 10 19:16:59 lol Nov 10 19:17:39 ruby is great, but there are some bad neighborhoods... I hear rails is a ghetto Nov 10 19:17:49 is there a way to get the keyboard out of the way in xterm? Nov 10 19:18:10 yeah, hold on the keyboard hiding button Nov 10 19:18:12 and choose xs Nov 10 19:18:28 many many thanks! Nov 10 19:18:42 np :) Nov 10 19:19:10 still trying to get avahi to work Nov 10 19:19:53 wrea: is preware the onlyway to get optware on the tp? Nov 10 19:20:14 i'm not seeing it in wosqi Nov 10 19:20:48 im guessing so. I never use wosqi Nov 10 19:24:15 so... i am guess davfs2 would have to be compiled? Nov 10 19:24:40 Yeah Nov 10 19:25:25 grr, i wish preware worked behind a proxy Nov 10 19:26:54 i hate segfaults Nov 10 20:01:47 hii Nov 10 20:02:00 hi Nov 10 20:02:12 hi Nov 10 20:02:38 hey Nov 10 20:02:52 anyone can guide me how to use impostah to get full app catlog Nov 10 20:03:24 I'm using touchpad Nov 10 20:03:43 and country is india Nov 10 20:03:55 I've got no clue on this one, I've barely used impostah. Nov 10 20:04:19 wrea: is there a package for ruby development tools in optware? Nov 10 20:04:41 ok grep. Nov 10 20:05:45 grep_awesome, this is whats there http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/ Nov 10 20:05:53 i only saw ruby and rubygems Nov 10 20:06:03 wrea: thanks Nov 10 20:06:04 grep_awesome, ipkg-opt list ruby Nov 10 20:08:25 thanks guys Nov 10 20:09:05 start -v isnt very verbose Nov 10 20:12:19 the optware feeds are rwhitby's thing eh? Nov 10 20:27:05 grep_awesome, sorta...I kind of watch them a lot. Nov 10 20:27:14 since I have to keep the builder going. Nov 10 20:27:41 grep_awesome, you can of course contribute anything you would like. Nov 10 20:28:04 ka6sox-farfarawa: I'd love to. I'm sure to be a complete noob at first though. Nov 10 20:28:34 grep_awesome, the whole purpose of Optware is low barrier of entry... Nov 10 20:28:37 even I can do it. Nov 10 20:28:55 optware is easy to work on :) Nov 10 20:29:05 woot, I like easy Nov 10 20:29:11 especially the preware feed optware Nov 10 20:29:32 excellent, any pointers on getting started? Nov 10 20:32:54 im here presently -> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/HowToGetInvolved Nov 10 20:34:42 Any reason why an upstart script wouldnt work? http://pastebin.com/CXSry93X Nov 10 20:36:44 grep_awesome, thats a good start Nov 10 20:36:51 also look @ the optware pages. Nov 10 20:37:04 btw..if you have a linux box with a minimum of stuff. Nov 10 20:37:23 you can create an entire build setup with 1 file and 3 commands. Nov 10 20:38:19 ka6sox-farfaraw: got 2 ubuntu boxes, a cent box, a mac, and a win7 for good measure Nov 10 20:38:51 well..then you could probably get it to build all of optware in about 2hrs or so. Nov 10 20:38:52 :D Nov 10 20:38:53 also got a wl-500g, that I'm reading will run optware Nov 10 20:40:40 I'm not going to lie though, I am a complete noob when it comes to building stuff that isn't mine. Do I need arm dev tools installed? Nov 10 20:41:14 if so, is there an easy package to grab all of that. All I've got as far as arm goes is what came with the webos pdk. Nov 10 21:34:00 how can I open a .rar file one the touchpad with out a comp Nov 10 21:39:18 there's probably an unrar in optware Nov 10 21:43:16 rwhitby: how big of a project would it be for an optware / ipkg noob to learn to try to package ruby's development headers? Nov 10 21:44:15 Clark008: hey i won that touchstone Nov 10 21:44:17 $46 Nov 10 21:44:19 free shipping Nov 10 21:54:11 hello Nov 10 21:55:48 hello Nov 10 21:57:11 rude Nov 10 21:57:39 indeed Nov 10 22:00:47 grep_awesome: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware Nov 10 22:01:59 rwhitby: I've been reading that, but I've never packaged anything for ipkg before. guess I'll read up and take a stab at it this weekend Nov 10 22:02:22 oh, I patched up that security hole that you pointed out in CyBoot. thanks :) Nov 10 22:03:22 and it's time to go home. 'evenin yall. Nov 10 22:03:30 cya Nov 10 22:03:45 wrea: thanks for the help earlier Nov 10 22:03:49 np Nov 10 23:00:27 hmm. so i obtained a t-mobile sim for that pre+, because at&t refused to sell me one .. now First Use comes up with a sky background and a spinner that never stops :| Nov 11 00:29:28 I have a Palm Pre Plus and would like to run MotionApps' Classic on it. I can install the free demo from the app store and it works, but it says it will turn itself off in a week. I'm willing to pay reasonable amounts for the app. Does anyone know how to get it to work in the long term? Nov 11 00:31:03 support for Classic was discontinued by MotionApps Nov 11 00:32:07 Yes, does "support" here mean "bug fixes" or "letting people buy"? It seems odd not to let me buy something when there's a working free trial of it on my phone already. Free money for them. Nov 11 00:32:38 they stopped selling it Nov 11 00:33:30 so was rather amazed at how small the coil is for touchpad induction charging Nov 11 00:33:47 I like all the gold foil Nov 11 00:34:33 yeah not so sure what that was for Nov 11 00:34:49 maybe shielding Nov 11 00:35:18 had no effect on charging Nov 11 00:35:46 other thought it may double as a heatsink Nov 11 00:36:00 did you find two coils? Nov 11 00:36:12 one for charging, one for touch to share? Nov 11 00:37:57 http://hewball.com.au/hewballwordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/DSC96611.jpg Nov 11 00:38:04 shows there are 2 coils in there Nov 11 00:39:10 There's talk at PreCentral about getting Classic to work with WebOS 2.0. Am I correct in understanding that Classic was made to run on a new operating system without the original creators cooperation, but nobody can make it go for more than a week for a new user? Nov 11 00:40:47 laying the touchpad charger on its back, it charges the pre3 too when its resting on the top right corner Nov 11 00:41:10 TimFreeman: the lack of an answer to your question on an IRC channel does not equate to "nobody can make it go" Nov 11 00:43:32 rwhitby: I agree. Asking Google seems to get the same conslusion as asking on IRC, though. In any case, at this point I'm the irritating guy who asks the same question over and over in the chat room, so I'll shut up. Nov 11 00:43:44 s/asking/searching/ Nov 11 00:43:46 TimFreeman meant: rwhitby: I agree. Asking Google seems to get the same conslusion as searching on IRC, though. In any case, at this point I'm the irritating guy who asks the same question over and over in the chat room, so I'll shut up. Nov 11 00:44:07 the most likely place to find an answer would be on PreCentral Nov 11 00:44:32 infobot did the wrong substitution, BTW. Yes, thanks, I'll look there. Nov 11 00:46:43 rwhitby: what touch to share stuff does the touchstone do, or is this what it uses to call exhibition mode? Nov 11 00:47:28 the touchstone and the device communicate over the touch to share coil in the device Nov 11 00:47:37 that's how the touchstone id is retrieved Nov 11 00:48:04 oh didnt realise they traded hardware id's :D Nov 11 00:58:47 hewball: yes, the touchpad will remember what app was running in exhibition mode on each touchstone it encounters Nov 11 00:59:07 oh very cool :D Nov 11 00:59:41 my impression from the "quick start" guide in the manual, was that touchstones could actually be setup to launch specific apps or URLs when docked to it, which imo, would be an awesome feature too Nov 11 00:59:52 but it doesn't seem to be present Nov 11 01:00:02 that would be great for my car :D Nov 11 01:00:18 gets thrown in dock and music app comes up :D Nov 11 01:00:32 that should be entirely possible, if you can get a touchstone that works in the car Nov 11 01:00:46 and a music app that works in exhibition Nov 11 01:00:59 EricBlade: thats why my pullapart was done, its going in my car Nov 11 01:02:58 i was thinking that i would like to do something like that, but it will be mostly only useful if i seriously upgrade from the stock 2001 ford stereo Nov 11 01:04:18 * EricBlade wonders if it would be possible to combine a phone touchstone with a touchpad touchstone Nov 11 01:04:23 i want mine to double as offroad mapping Nov 11 01:04:27 if the Pre3 works on the older touchstones, and also with the touchpad touchstone ... ? Nov 11 01:04:46 hence the effort to get usb audio working too Nov 11 01:05:08 pre3 works on both yes Nov 11 01:11:49 all photos from dismantle of touchstone, http://hewball.com.au/files/Touchstone/ Nov 11 01:12:03 http://hewball.com.au/files/Touchstone/Touchstone109.jpg Nov 11 01:12:07 shows the dual coils Nov 11 01:12:50 are one of those pictures an overview of all the pieces? Nov 11 01:13:00 http://hewball.com.au/files/Touchstone/Touchstone078.jpg Nov 11 01:14:03 http://hewball.com.au/files/Touchstone/Touchstone065.jpg thats the back and the whole charge setup Nov 11 01:18:48 hmm. i imanaged to find one spot on the touchstone that makes the Pre+ screen shut off Nov 11 01:19:10 EricBlade: if you want more photos ill take them Nov 11 01:19:45 so the whole thing is just that thing with two coils, a small circuit board, and shielding? Nov 11 01:19:51 yes Nov 11 01:20:03 rest it all case Nov 11 01:20:25 interesting. too bad they aren't both cheap and plentiful Nov 11 01:20:39 yeah :( Nov 11 01:21:15 should have been part of the touchpad, not an extra Nov 11 01:24:17 I dunno, I can't complain too much Nov 11 01:24:22 I got both parts for $200 Nov 11 01:24:59 http://hewball.com.au/files/Touchstone/Touchstone088.jpg shows first attempt of a mount for touchpad too Nov 11 01:26:45 ... but the pre+ likes to turn off it's display at random points in time anyway, completely independent of if i'm currentyl using it or not. touchpad suffers from that same problem, too Nov 11 01:27:03 hewball, ever taken apart a phone touchstone? Nov 11 01:47:54 EricBlade: yes i have Nov 11 01:49:01 http://hewball.com.au/files/Touchstone/Touchstone090.jpg, shows one there, playing around with magnet designs to get stronger pre3 mount Nov 11 01:50:15 so it should be possible to make something that is capable of charging oth? Nov 11 01:50:17 *both Nov 11 01:51:34 touchpad charger, charges pre3 but not other way around Nov 11 01:55:34 maybe touchpad stones will get cheaper and i can buy a couple and figure out a way to splice the two together into a single unit Nov 11 01:56:29 would be very possible Nov 11 01:56:40 plenty of room there Nov 11 02:00:00 i have 3 surplus phone touchpads Nov 11 02:00:13 i bought them on purpose that way though Nov 11 02:00:19 er touchstones i mean Nov 11 02:05:12 i want a phone touchpad Nov 11 02:05:43 hey wait me too Nov 11 02:06:36 i bought 2 phone touchstones, since they were $6 Nov 11 02:08:05 i had plans to destroy one to make a car mount out of it Nov 11 02:08:19 so 1 became more spares Nov 11 02:09:21 if i could hack the single power connection in the tp stone to power both of them, then it would be easy to use the tp stone for either-or .. hm. Nov 11 02:09:47 EricBlade: yes Nov 11 02:10:54 how difficult would that be, since you've seen the insides of both? Nov 11 02:11:11 or would one possibly suck too much juice from the other, even if it's not triggered... Nov 11 02:11:47 i havnt tested the idle draw current, ill do that tonight and tell ya Nov 11 02:12:24 or give me 10 mins Nov 11 02:12:36 ok ill be here unless the power goes out.. except that i'm leaving for now, so i'll be idle Nov 11 02:13:22 just destroying a usb extension cable now Nov 11 02:18:31 touchpad touchstone is 0.05A peak idle Nov 11 02:19:45 phone touchstone is the same Nov 11 02:21:15 jumps between 0.022 and 0.055 on both when idle Nov 11 02:57:28 that's 230VAC? Nov 11 02:58:28 nah 5v dc Nov 11 02:59:01 you're measuring on the usb cable? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 11 02:59:57 2011