**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 11 02:59:57 2011
Nov 11 03:00:38 <hewball> yes
Nov 11 03:01:05 <hewball> i chopped up an extension cable and put it inbetween the touchstone and the wall chargers
Nov 11 03:02:14 <dwc-> I'm more curious about the power draw at the wall, but I guess that's nothing I couldn't just go measure
Nov 11 03:02:29 <dwc-> just so I know how much power I'm wasting by leaving them on
Nov 11 03:02:42 <hewball> i can test at 240V
Nov 11 03:04:03 <dwc-> I can test at 110, I just haven't yet
Nov 11 03:07:09 <hewball> at 240V with touchpad charging is 0.033A and not charging with touchstone plugged in is showing 0.001
Nov 11 05:02:07 <AMR-1> rwhitby: I'm  frankenprein the first of 3 factory unlocked pre2s.   after I reassemble I start right in to the meta doc - correct?   last step in wiki says to doctor then go to the webos2 upgrade, but the webos2 upgrade is the doctor process...
Nov 11 05:02:42 <rwhitby> which wiki page are you following?
Nov 11 05:03:23 <AMR-1> started onsprint_pre_2  - done with hardware
Nov 11 05:05:01 <rwhitby> so you should follow those instructions as written
Nov 11 05:07:08 <AMR-1> step 15 says to Dr.  then step 16 transfers to webos_2_upgrade which starts with meta Dr. which is just another Dr isn't it?
Nov 11 05:09:11 <rwhitby> step 15 tells you how to get ready to doctor
Nov 11 05:09:16 <rwhitby> step 16 is running the doctor
Nov 11 05:12:54 <AMR-1> ya I got it there and that is what I thought - just wanted to make sure.   the pre2s came fresh from factory and I didn't even turn them on yet.  so I figured they were already in a doctored state.  running script next.
Nov 11 05:52:35 <moo> hi, i need guide on how to make patch file for /usr/palm/framework
Nov 11 06:12:15 <jmichaelx> is it still the case that the webOS emulator does not support virtualbox 4.x?
Nov 11 06:18:00 <rwhitby> no
Nov 11 06:29:07 <jmichaelx> rwhitby: ty
Nov 11 07:46:29 <AMR-1> rwhitby: all good :-)
Nov 11 07:57:45 <AMR-1> All 3 sprint pres upgraded to unlocked pre2s.   profiles came down great.   ahhh good for a few more "in the coming weeks" now :-)
Nov 11 08:01:11 <AMR-1> plus... I have a penguin boot screen now...  can't wait till the wife asks me what the hell that means :-)
Nov 11 09:24:13 <moo> rwhitby: every line ending was removed from description i submited, why is that happening?
Nov 11 14:04:39 <mOo> too bad, i lost my power menu after upgrading to 2 power menu 2.1.0-204 veer
Nov 11 14:07:03 <panel> what power menu
Nov 11 14:20:53 <mOo> thanks, sconix :)
Nov 11 14:21:17 <mOo> panel: http://forums.precentral.net/enlightened-linux-solutions/269207-patch-advanced-system-menus-2-x-40.html
Nov 11 15:44:08 <panel> mOo strange
Nov 11 15:44:12 <panel> with that menu
Nov 11 16:27:12 <dudeman2009> hey is this the right place for me to ask about webos kernels?
Nov 11 16:41:42 <dwc-> yes
Nov 11 18:46:30 <EricBlade> so, i want to send a device to my daughter in another state.  but i want to configure it and load some stuff onto it.  but i don't want it to be in my name, and i don't want her to know about it until she receives it.  hp makes this difficult.
Nov 11 18:47:13 <ka6sox> you mean because of email addy for profile?
Nov 11 18:48:05 <EricBlade> yes.  and i'd also like to buy some apps for it too but i expect that i can't use my card on two different accounts
Nov 11 18:48:22 <EricBlade> so i'm trying to decide if i should just create a new email address and set that up
Nov 11 18:48:44 <EricBlade> or if i should just stick this on my account
Nov 11 19:41:18 <jmichaelx> lmao @ hp
Nov 11 19:42:05 <jmichaelx> i just installed the update to the app catalog, amd it appears that one no longer sees the number of postive and negative reviews
Nov 11 19:42:40 <jmichaelx> such scum of the earth
Nov 11 19:45:08 <linuxjacques> really? if so, :-|
Nov 11 19:45:22 <linuxjacques> I always liked that feature
Nov 11 19:45:49 <wrea> well, you still get the number of each rating
Nov 11 19:46:12 <wrea> just not number of pos/neg reviews
Nov 11 19:46:37 <wrea> Which the numbers never added up right anyway afaik
Nov 11 20:03:18 <panel> Is any way to change widget attribute, after scene was launched ?
Nov 11 21:06:30 <VICODANAX> is there a patch to remove cm7/moboot?
Nov 11 21:27:50 <EricBlade> i think there's an app for that VICODANAX
Nov 11 21:36:10 <VICODANAX> yeah it didnt work
Nov 11 21:36:17 <VICODANAX> i ran acme uninstaller
Nov 11 21:36:25 <VICODANAX> now im going to webdoctor to 3.0.2
Nov 11 21:36:27 <VICODANAX> over it
Nov 11 21:40:38 <VICODANAX> ooh rwhitby made a meta-doctor
Nov 11 21:40:42 <VICODANAX> rwhitby are you tehre?
Nov 11 21:42:45 <rwhitby> EricBlade: you can use the same card on two accounts, no problem.
Nov 11 21:43:17 <VICODANAX> rwhitby: will the metadoctor work on a touchpad? looks like it was made for a pre
Nov 11 21:43:33 <rwhitby> have you read the documentation?
Nov 11 21:43:45 <VICODANAX> i read your blog post
Nov 11 21:43:47 <VICODANAX> and what it does
Nov 11 21:43:50 <VICODANAX> and that i need ubuntu
Nov 11 21:43:56 <VICODANAX> and it creates a 2gb /var partition
Nov 11 21:44:58 <EricBlade> rwhitby: i'm going to try one idea i heard, which was set it up on my account, then remove the device from my account, and see if it allows to setup a different account then
Nov 11 21:45:52 <rwhitby> EricBlade: if you set up both accounts ahead of time, you can set it up on your account, and then use Impostah to switch it to her account without changing anything already on the device
Nov 11 21:46:42 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor is the MetaDoctor wiki page.  Note the second line of text in bold.
Nov 11 21:47:45 <EricBlade> rwhitby: hmm. well, i've already got it downloading all my apps to it .. is there another way to create the account, or will removing it from my account do a wipe?
Nov 11 21:48:18 <rwhitby> when it is logged into the second account, it will be cleanly removed from the first account
Nov 11 21:48:48 <VICODANAX> thanks rwhitby
Nov 11 21:48:55 <VICODANAX> this is exactly what i was looking for
Nov 11 21:49:07 <VICODANAX> couldnt find any good instructions on running even webdoctor
Nov 11 21:49:28 <rwhitby> what google search terms were you using?
Nov 11 21:49:54 <VICODANAX> webdoctor 3.0.2
Nov 11 21:50:00 <VICODANAX> looking at the forums for pinned threads
Nov 11 21:50:09 <VICODANAX> on precentral and xda
Nov 11 21:50:50 <rwhitby> the first 10 matches for "webos-internals metadoctor" are all pages which somewhere point to that wiki page
Nov 11 21:51:14 <VICODANAX> i didnt know about metadoctor until i was on precentral
Nov 11 21:51:15 <rwhitby> BTW, XDA is useless for webOS stuff - don't even bother looking there.
Nov 11 21:51:19 <VICODANAX> thanks
Nov 11 21:51:23 <VICODANAX> im gunna spend more time on precentral
Nov 11 21:51:38 <VICODANAX> rwhitby: what's the advantage of 2gb /var partition and do i need it on the touchpad?
Nov 11 21:51:54 <rwhitby> VICODANAX: have you read the documentation on that feature?
Nov 11 21:51:57 <kfife> Hey guys: I have about 200 records after removing all contact accounts.  I can't delete them manually either.  Anyone seen this before?  I've seen it many times on all versions of all of my webos devices.
Nov 11 21:52:30 <kfife> Here's the catch:  If I 'modify' the record THEN AND ONLY THEN will it disappear!  That's quite a bug, no?
Nov 11 21:52:53 <kfife> In other words, updating these 'orphan' recors is the only way to delete them :-)
Nov 11 21:53:17 <rwhitby> VICODANAX: (Here's a tip: I never answer questions that are already answered in the documentation, cause that only encourages people to not read the documentation and waste my time with questions for which I already spent the time writing the answers once)
Nov 11 21:53:45 <VICODANAX> im looking for the documentation
Nov 11 21:53:49 <VICODANAX> i get it rwhitby, rtfm
Nov 11 21:55:24 <kfife> Anyone seen my predicament?
Nov 11 21:55:37 <VICODANAX> http://forums.precentral.net/1955241-post15.html <-- that explained it better than the wiki rwhitby
Nov 11 21:56:30 <rwhitby> VICODANAX: trouble is that post is now completely incorrect, whereas the actual documentation (remember that second line on the wiki) is correct and up to date.
Nov 11 21:56:50 <EricBlade> kfife: i believe that should've been fixed in 3.0.4, from what i've heard, you should delete the contacts before the account in earlier versions
Nov 11 21:57:07 <VICODANAX> ok let me read the makefile.
Nov 11 21:58:00 <rwhitby> write-only forum posts are useless. they get out of date and are never updated.  read-write wiki pages should be the only place where documentation and "guides" are written.
Nov 11 21:58:09 <kfife> EricBlade: In my situation, that's exactly what I did. IOW, I removed all of the contacts from my google accont and 280 of 2418 remained
Nov 11 21:58:22 <VICODANAX> thank you rwhitby
Nov 11 21:59:49 <kfife> Is there a preware app that will blow these away or do I really have to 'erase apps and data'?
Nov 11 21:59:53 <EricBlade> okie dokie, my touchpad just went "Bing!" Device Charging! .. even though it's been sitting on the touchstone for an hour.  then exhibition came up, immediately exited, and no charging indicator.  man this thing is weird sometimes.
Nov 11 22:00:36 <kfife> If there were a preware app that could add/remove/modify something to all records, it would be the functional equivalent.
Nov 11 22:01:08 <kfife> EricBlade: I've seen mine reset when putting it on "the charginator"
Nov 11 22:01:30 <rwhitby> kfife: have you looked at Impostah
Nov 11 22:01:52 <kfife> no.  What is it?
Nov 11 22:02:17 <kfife> (simultaneously googling)
Nov 11 22:02:19 <kfife> found it
Nov 11 22:02:21 <kfife> interesting
Nov 11 22:03:54 <EricBlade> the remove from account option indicates that it will not perform a wipe.  very good.
Nov 11 22:06:13 <kfife> Any idea how this happens internally?
Nov 11 22:06:43 <kfife> IOW what's the bug.  Does it happen with very large accounts?  I have 2400+ records in my google contacts account
Nov 11 22:07:17 <kfife> It seems that EVERY webos device has choked on my google account.
Nov 11 22:08:15 <kfife> Happens in both directions.  IOW I'll add the account and certain ones 'never' show up.
Nov 11 22:08:50 <rwhitby> EricBlade: I would expect a remove from account to wipe the device
Nov 11 22:09:30 <EricBlade> it says "You will be signed off from the device and data on the device may be lost. You will not be able to use certain features on the device until you sign in again. If you would like to erase the contents on the device without removing it from your webOS account, use the full erase feature on the device." .. but you're right, i won't be surprised if it does wipe
Nov 11 22:11:32 <VICODANAX> man macports is installing so much stuff
Nov 11 22:11:34 <grep_awesome> I'm having the weirdest issue with an app. It makes a service call through on launch at the ready event. The app just goes black. Everything shows up if you hit the home button and it minimizes the card, but as soon as you bring it full screen everything goes black again. In the logs I'm getting some weird stuff about the service failing and the service assistant not being found, but if I run the run-js-service /media/cr
Nov 11 22:12:00 <grep_awesome> VICONDANAX: mac ports is a dependency monster
Nov 11 22:12:04 <VICODANAX> yup
Nov 11 22:12:11 <VICODANAX> wish i had my pc here
Nov 11 22:17:40 <rwhitby> EricBlade: it will wipe, I can almost guarantee it
Nov 11 22:21:17 <VICODANAX> xcode install time reamining 49 minutes
Nov 11 22:21:19 <VICODANAX> ugh
Nov 11 22:21:22 <VICODANAX> lion ftl
Nov 11 22:50:26 <bnceo> anyone here?
Nov 11 22:50:45 <bnceo> Just wondering why my Sprint Pre2 Is telling me there's an update available. 2.1.0
Nov 11 23:00:47 <rwhitby> bnceo: look in /var/lib/software/SessionFiles/update_list.txt
Nov 11 23:01:04 <rwhitby> bnceo: and /var/lib/software/SessionFiles/delete_list.txt
Nov 11 23:01:10 <rwhitby> that will tell you precisely why
Nov 11 23:01:17 <bnceo> interesting
Nov 11 23:01:32 <rwhitby> (after download and unpack, but before install)
Nov 11 23:01:59 <rwhitby> the urls file there will also tell you before the download
Nov 11 23:02:54 <bnceo> ah. the maps?
Nov 11 23:03:31 <bnceo> very interesting
Nov 11 23:50:56 <VICODANAX> rwhitby, flashed using meta-doctor. thanks
Nov 11 23:51:01 <VICODANAX> but it's stuck on loading accounts now?
Nov 12 01:42:14 <mmlj4> so I don't have to bother with putting my TB into dev mode if I install preware on the shell?
Nov 12 01:46:31 <rwhitby> if you can get to the shell, you have previously had dev mode on at some point
Nov 12 01:51:00 <hiddenpremise> hey, just published my launcher tab manager for the touchpad. available in preware soon. on the forums now. my second homebrew :D http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/306662-app-beta-1-suborbital-launcher-tab-manager.html#post3241868
Nov 12 01:56:05 <jmichaelx> wtf is HP doing with the app catalog?
Nov 12 01:56:37 <hiddenpremise> jmichaelx: eh?
Nov 12 01:57:09 <jmichaelx> they have removed the display of the numbers of positive and negative reviews of apps, as of today
Nov 12 01:57:33 <wrea> its not that big of a deal
Nov 12 01:57:49 <jmichaelx> it is a big deal in my opinion
Nov 12 01:58:16 <wrea> meh
Nov 12 01:58:21 <mmlj4> ah, ok
Nov 12 01:59:10 <jmichaelx> it was already such that the numbers that displayed there, and the numbers displayed in the upper left corner did not agree... and neiter of those agreed with the percentages/stars
Nov 12 01:59:14 <jmichaelx> neither*
Nov 12 02:00:10 <jmichaelx> wrea: it helps to further obscure how users rate these apps, which is important
Nov 12 02:00:20 <jmichaelx> how users have rated*
Nov 12 02:01:14 <wrea> i see it as now you get one set of numbers instead of two different sets
Nov 12 02:02:45 <jmichaelx> which i believe is wrong. you had 2 sets of numbers, and one percentage... none of which are in agreement. there are apps that have %30+ negative ratings, that show as having 4.5 stars
Nov 12 02:04:00 <jmichaelx> the appearance would be that the rating system is intentionally skewed (of course this is HP, so it could also just be negligence or incompetence)
Nov 12 02:04:01 <p0rk2> evening
Nov 12 02:04:09 <wrea> hi p0rk2
Nov 12 02:04:57 <p0rk2> i've been doing some searching and haven't seen anything like this before...
Nov 12 02:05:09 <p0rk2> i thought maybe someone in here may be interested
Nov 12 02:05:21 <EricBlade> maybe it actually shows positive reviews in the positive review column reliably now
Nov 12 02:05:25 <jmichaelx> then again, falsely reporting apps as having higher ratings that they should have probably fosters good relations with app devs...
Nov 12 02:05:29 <EricBlade> and negative reviews in the negative column now
Nov 12 02:05:44 <p0rk2> I have an azerty pre 3, and no matter what doctor I use, the processor stays at 1.4ghz in govnah. doesn't scale down.
Nov 12 02:05:55 <p0rk2> battery drain is about -350 to -500mA
Nov 12 02:06:06 <jmichaelx> EricBlade: i had only seen negative reviews in the positive column, never the other way around
Nov 12 02:06:09 <p0rk2> uberkernel doesn't seem to fix it at all
Nov 12 02:07:27 <p0rk2> think it could be indicative of a hardware problem?
Nov 12 02:13:40 <rwhitby> p0rk2: more likely some background process that is continually running
Nov 12 02:14:37 <p0rk2> rwhitby: I agree, but it's unusual since a fresh doctor still has the same problem
Nov 12 02:14:55 <p0rk2> lemme install jstop
Nov 12 02:16:00 <rwhitby> look at "top" on the command line
Nov 12 02:18:15 <p0rk2> top of the list is chatthreader.js, next is mojodb-luna, webappmgr is also high up
Nov 12 02:18:22 <p0rk2> http://pastebin.com/LP3vdCt2
Nov 12 02:20:12 <rwhitby> looks like chatthreader.js is your problem
Nov 12 02:20:30 <rwhitby> do you have a lot of chat items in your profile?
Nov 12 02:20:43 <rwhitby> and have you just restored from backup?
Nov 12 02:21:04 <p0rk2> I did just restore from backup...chats go back a few months, yes
Nov 12 02:21:20 <p0rk2> back to march, just checked
Nov 12 02:21:21 <rwhitby> then that's normal - it's indexing and threading all your chats
Nov 12 02:21:59 <rwhitby> when you restore a webOS device, it's best to put it on the touchstone and go watch a movie
Nov 12 02:22:25 <p0rk2> prior to restoring I was using the phone for about two weeks without doctoring
Nov 12 02:23:23 <p0rk2> going to try starting it...
Nov 12 02:23:27 <p0rk2> re*
Nov 12 02:24:42 <rwhitby> why?
Nov 12 02:25:06 <p0rk2> because I haven't tried it before and I can't think of much else
Nov 12 02:25:20 <rwhitby> unless it's been running like that for 4 hours, just let it be
Nov 12 02:25:27 <p0rk2> three
Nov 12 02:27:33 <p0rk2> the process can't be killed, it's frequently changing PID
Nov 12 02:27:37 <p0rk2> normal behavior?
Nov 12 02:29:09 <rwhitby> yes
Nov 12 02:30:15 <p0rk2> i'll leave it for the night then
Nov 12 02:33:24 <p0rk2> does chatthreader.js stop running as frequently once it's restored from backup?
Nov 12 02:33:49 <rwhitby> it should only run when it notices a new chat item
Nov 12 02:34:59 <p0rk2> okay. thanks for the insight. it's been running like this for about a week and it's been frustrating just because the battery drains so quickly haha.
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