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Nov 14 03:03:19 <astruasdh> sconix: did you work with phone format? why when I start with a number less than 201 it is not recognized as area code?
Nov 14 03:13:44 <dwc-> what is your localization settings set to?
Nov 14 03:13:57 <dwc-> it won't show up as a US/canada area code because none of them start with 1xx
Nov 14 03:42:53 <rwatkins> rwhitby: so .. patch queue .. sent one in the other night.  should be a routine one
Nov 14 03:43:05 <rwhitby> yep, should get to it today
Nov 14 03:43:09 <rwatkins> thx
Nov 14 04:44:03 <astruasdh> dwc-: Brazil... but the isnt Brazil in the list
Nov 14 04:44:37 <astruasdh> dwc-: no phones here start with 0 also.... but I to make calls, I am supposed to start with 0 for non-local calls
Nov 14 04:50:34 <astruasdh> australias does have an area code starting with 0... i will check this case
Nov 14 05:05:27 <astruasdh> hmmm 0 is the trunk code
Nov 14 05:17:58 <astruasdh> ok... 0 is the trunk code... now the probelem is the area code... where the hack webos gets its values?
Nov 14 05:24:45 <astruasdh> sconix: what is you webos version?
Nov 14 05:28:58 <astruasdh> some of you with webos 3 could, please, tell me if this file exists? /usr/palm/frameworks/globalization/submission/31/formats/br.json
Nov 14 05:28:58 <astruasdh> ?
Nov 14 05:32:54 <dwc-> I only have 4/4 and 48/
Nov 14 05:34:04 <rwhitby> astruasdh: note that you can unpack a webOS doctor to find those things out yourself
Nov 14 05:34:37 <dwc-> s/4\/4/44\//
Nov 14 05:35:00 <astruasdh> hmmm where can I download it?
Nov 14 05:35:09 <astruasdh> dwc-: 44 and 48 instead of 31... ?
Nov 14 05:35:47 <dwc-> yep
Nov 14 05:36:11 <astruasdh> dwc-: awesome! please, could you enter in 44/formats and 48/formats and check if there is a br.json?
Nov 14 05:36:22 <dwc-> there isn't
Nov 14 05:36:28 <astruasdh> ;/
Nov 14 05:36:46 <astruasdh> thanks!
Nov 14 05:37:06 <dwc-> 44/resources/en/(empty)
Nov 14 05:37:27 <dwc-> oh, nevermind
Nov 14 05:37:44 <dwc-> 48/formats/[stuff but not br]
Nov 14 05:38:07 <astruasdh> I set up the area code with 4 digits... and change the .area.json, but it does not work, helll!
Nov 14 05:38:27 <rwhitby> astruasdh: google "webos internals webos doctor"
Nov 14 05:38:29 <dwc-> what do you have, a touchpad?
Nov 14 05:38:35 <astruasdh> dwc-: veer
Nov 14 05:38:53 <dwc-> then what I have on my touchpad on 3.0 is probably not as relevant to you
Nov 14 05:39:02 <dwc-> but, there isn't anything for you to copy
Nov 14 05:39:09 <dwc-> from 3.0 it looks like
Nov 14 05:39:14 <astruasdh> thanks
Nov 14 05:39:42 <astruasdh> what is the best version for me to try?
Nov 14 05:39:53 <astruasdh> I mean, the latest version that runs on cellphones
Nov 14 05:40:02 <dwc-> the veer is only known to run 2.1.0,2.1.1,2.1.2, iirc
Nov 14 05:40:14 <rwhitby> if you actually read that page, it will be obvious
Nov 14 05:40:48 <astruasdh> but it does not need to be veer compatible... any other version should work because all I need is to copy brazilian phone number format
Nov 14 05:41:21 <dwc-> that's what I said... less useful, nothing to copy from 3
Nov 14 05:42:06 <astruasdh> thanks
Nov 14 05:42:09 <rwhitby> brazil phone numbers are not supported in webOS
Nov 14 05:42:21 <dwc-> (whoops, why did I include 2.1.0 on that list, brainfart, must be time to go sleep)
Nov 14 05:43:58 <astruasdh> rwhitby: hmmm so I have to add it. the way webos matches the calling phone against the contact list is very strange
Nov 14 05:55:24 <astruasdh> rwhitby: the webos developers email is available somewhere?
Nov 14 06:01:51 <hewball> rwhitby: new uberkernel on default uberkernel profile on the pre3 is alot better on battery life
Nov 14 06:28:59 <astruasdh> 1 webos x 0 astruasdh
Nov 14 06:31:07 <ka6sox> astruasdh, most days its webos 42, ka6sox 0
Nov 14 06:31:42 <astruasdh> haha... yeah
Nov 14 06:32:08 <astruasdh> the json file is well configures but nothing works :(
Nov 14 06:32:19 <astruasdh> I think my veer will be used as a paer weight
Nov 14 06:32:24 <astruasdh> s/paer/paper
Nov 14 06:32:48 <ka6sox> naw, give it a bit of time
Nov 14 06:33:10 <EricBlade> from what i hear those veers wouldn't even make a very good paper weight
Nov 14 06:33:51 <EricBlade> omfg i am getting so angry at my gf's touchpad.  come home at 1:00am, and the alarm on it is still going.  silently.  that it started at noon.
Nov 14 06:33:55 <ka6sox> EricBlade, I love mine
Nov 14 06:33:57 <ka6sox> use it all the time
Nov 14 06:34:06 <EricBlade> ka6sox: yeah i was referring to it's weight :)
Nov 14 06:34:12 <ka6sox> my son even has written apps for it.
Nov 14 06:35:23 <EricBlade> attempting to use lcars clock as it's alarm, it works fine on my touchpad, but on hers, it's like there are two completely different versions of it that run, one in exhibition, and one outside of it, and the alarm on one of them is always silent
Nov 14 06:35:45 <ka6sox> and the volume in general is UP?
Nov 14 06:35:54 <EricBlade> touchvol says the volume on everything is on max
Nov 14 06:36:03 <ka6sox> I had lcars do that when I accidentally muted
Nov 14 06:36:17 <ka6sox> something causes it to mute...and I dont' know why
Nov 14 06:36:35 <EricBlade> i completely removed the app last night, reset all the volumes, rebooted, reinstalled the app, and it was working fine in testing.  by the time noon rolled around, it was completely silent in exhibition mode
Nov 14 06:36:45 <ka6sox> EricBlade, the exhibition is wierd.
Nov 14 06:36:54 <ka6sox> I take it off the TS and it works fine.
Nov 14 06:37:06 <ka6sox> on, it doesn't
Nov 14 06:37:36 <EricBlade> i wonder if touchstone exhibition differs from "Start Exhibition"
Nov 14 06:49:15 <astruasdh> ugly implementations: the country codes are harcoded in the code!
Nov 14 06:56:44 <astruasdh> hmmm maybe I found the function that matches phone number
Nov 14 06:57:00 <astruasdh> compare() at phone.js
Nov 14 07:16:06 <astruasdh> rwhitby: please, modifying the .js files is enough or do I need to compile or something?
Nov 14 08:44:18 <astruasdh> where the contacts is associated with the incoming call?
Nov 14 08:54:59 <astruasdh> where the contacts is associated with the incoming call?
Nov 14 10:49:59 <maxexcloo> Hey, I just used WebOS Doctor to wipe my TouchPad to 3.0.4 and now I have a message on my TouchPad saying that the HP App Catalog Download Failed
Nov 14 10:50:08 <maxexcloo> I've tried about 10 times now
Nov 14 10:50:12 <maxexcloo> and every time is the same
Nov 14 10:50:13 <maxexcloo> :(
Nov 14 10:50:19 <ka6sox> kewl!
Nov 14 10:53:13 <maxexcloo> No one able to help?
Nov 14 10:53:19 <maxexcloo> This issue has me stumped
Nov 14 10:53:20 <maxexcloo> :(
Nov 14 10:56:48 <ka6sox> have you looked in the wiki? checked the forums? asked google?
Nov 14 11:00:09 <ka6sox> NET "*ENRS"             LOC = "S:PIN 18";
Nov 14 11:02:08 <maxexcloo> I have
Nov 14 11:02:16 <maxexcloo> I've googled it many times
Nov 14 11:02:17 <maxexcloo> :|
Nov 14 11:03:14 <ka6sox> forums?
Nov 14 11:03:17 <ka6sox> the wiki?
Nov 14 11:06:13 <maxexcloo> I figured Google would have turned them up
Nov 14 11:06:13 <maxexcloo> I'll look now, thanks :)
Nov 14 11:08:55 <ka6sox> yw
Nov 14 11:09:25 <ka6sox>     d            : inout std_logic_vector(DATA_WIDTH-1 downto 0);  -- data bus to/from SDRAM
Nov 14 11:09:40 <ka6sox> focus should follow eyes...not mouse
Nov 14 11:15:32 <maxexcloo> I can't seem to find anything unfortunately :|
Nov 14 11:16:35 <ka6sox> then start a thread in the forums and see if anybody else has experience with that.
Nov 14 11:17:01 <ka6sox> be specific, write down the steps you did, exactly
Nov 14 11:17:29 <ka6sox> if you used any other tools like meta-doctor write down any options you used for that too.
Nov 14 11:17:29 <maxexcloo> I just posted into the other channels
Nov 14 11:17:39 <maxexcloo> OK
Nov 14 11:42:57 <RichT23> maxexcloo: have you set your time / date corectly
Nov 14 11:43:29 <RichT23> i noted the official app cat, does that when they local time /date is out
Nov 14 11:43:59 <maxexcloo> o.0
Nov 14 11:44:06 <maxexcloo> I haven't touched it
Nov 14 11:44:16 <maxexcloo> But the battery did die at one point
Nov 14 11:44:36 <maxexcloo> But why would that cause the HP app market to fail to run
Nov 14 11:44:47 <RichT23> try setting time/date then and see if that works
Nov 14 11:44:56 <maxexcloo> I just reinstalled again
Nov 14 11:45:00 <maxexcloo> But I will
Nov 14 11:45:20 <maxexcloo> It's wrong, maybe you're onto something
Nov 14 11:55:16 <maxexcloo> RichT23, didn't work :}
Nov 14 11:56:46 <RichT23> Worth a try ;)
Nov 14 11:56:54 <RichT23> did you restart ;)
Nov 14 11:57:14 <maxexcloo> Yea
Nov 14 11:57:20 <maxexcloo> :|
Nov 14 11:57:43 <RichT23> were you hopping on one leg whist you did it?
Nov 14 11:58:13 <maxexcloo> I was breakdancing
Nov 14 12:00:08 <RichT23> close enough ;)#
Nov 14 12:14:35 <rwhitby> the wrong date causes the SSL certification verification to fail, breaking communications with the palm app catalog servers.
Nov 14 12:21:34 <maxexcloo> ah ok
Nov 14 14:29:52 <hewball> cant seem to find the pre3 uboot image, anyone point me in the right direction?
Nov 14 14:30:03 <hewball> er uimage
Nov 14 14:43:59 <hewball> ahh that was easier compiled my own
Nov 14 16:02:01 <RichT23> rwhitby: arr thats why, i did wonder what is was. =)
Nov 14 16:02:49 <RichT23> Oh did anything come out of the "Palm" All hands meeting?
Nov 14 16:03:40 <summatusmentis> RichT23: if by anything you mean "we don't have a decision yet, hang tight", then yes
Nov 14 16:10:10 <RichT23> arr ok then, well at least it wasnt feck you all are are taking it DOWN ;?)
Nov 14 16:11:22 <RichT23> i think that will be fine as ling as they pay each "palm" user $10,000,000 per device they own ;)
Nov 14 16:12:52 <summatusmentis> yeah, they said "this is hard, we don't know, but we want to do this right"
Nov 14 16:13:35 <RichT23> the battle for smart phone OS is far far far from over
Nov 14 16:14:42 <RichT23> http://www.businessinsider.com/the-one-chart-you-need-to-see-to-understand-mobile-2011-11
Nov 14 16:15:40 <RichT23> not sure why "palm" drops of that graph in June 2011
Nov 14 16:16:22 <summatusmentis> well, they did say in the all hands meeting that "if we continue with webOS, it will be tablets. phones complicate things"
Nov 14 16:16:30 <summatusmentis> or some such
Nov 14 16:17:40 <summatusmentis> quite frankly though, that "blue ocean" is probably at least partially driven by data costs
Nov 14 16:18:25 <RichT23> ya, but data costs will come down
Nov 14 16:18:29 <RichT23> and that is US only
Nov 14 16:19:16 <summatusmentis> data costs will come down? they haven't yet
Nov 14 16:19:19 <RichT23> and as "new" phones all become "smart"
Nov 14 16:19:22 <summatusmentis> if anything they've gone up
Nov 14 16:19:32 <RichT23> well they have in the UK
Nov 14 16:19:50 <RichT23> it use to be if you wanted data it was an extra pack on to of normal
Nov 14 16:20:03 <RichT23> now you get X data included in most contracts
Nov 14 16:20:33 <RichT23> my personal phone is a PAYG, and i get 500Mb a month included
Nov 14 16:21:20 <RichT23> i remember not that log ago they were trying to charge me B#1 a day up to 5Mb then B#1 a Mb after that
Nov 14 16:22:30 <summatusmentis> that is decided not what goes on here
Nov 14 16:22:33 <panel> hi, when I install HP webOS skd if will not istall novacom driver too ?
Nov 14 16:22:42 <summatusmentis> "here" being the US
Nov 14 16:23:32 <Frost> RichT23: how much do you pay for that?
Nov 14 16:30:44 <RichT23> Frost: if i top up by B#10 a month i get the 500Mb of data
Nov 14 16:30:50 <RichT23> for "free"
Nov 14 16:31:04 <RichT23> and like 500 txt's
Nov 14 16:31:51 <RichT23> plus the B#10 goes on your call crdit
Nov 14 16:34:33 <Frost> Ah... It's kinda interesting to compare these things. I saw an offer of 1k minutes, 1k texts and 1GB data per month for 99 SEK today (which ~9.3 GBP)
Nov 14 16:35:17 <Frost> no, no "free" minutes btw, it was flatrate, with flat being 0.
Nov 14 16:35:55 <Frost> gaah.. I can't brain today. My grammar is broken.
Nov 14 16:36:53 <RichT23> =)
Nov 14 16:37:14 <RichT23> Frost: thats a good deal
Nov 14 16:37:18 <RichT23> any how
Nov 14 16:37:19 <Frost> Anyway, my point is that data rates aren't that ridiculously high over here :)
Nov 14 16:37:25 <RichT23> home time
Nov 14 16:37:47 <RichT23> ya most of mailland europ its protty cheep
Nov 14 16:55:18 <joem_work> scumbag siri http://cheezburger.com/raebis/lolz/View/5434725888 :D
Nov 14 17:04:11 <summatusmentis> that's... I don't see the humor
Nov 14 17:04:27 <summatusmentis> Siri was developed with the help of the people who did WA and things
Nov 14 17:04:33 <summatusmentis> it's sort of intended to be that way
Nov 14 17:52:17 <astruasdh> please, what is the function used to match discover the contact that is calling?
Nov 14 18:41:03 <angelote23900> hello
Nov 14 18:41:29 <angelote23900> sometido Sant yo tell me ha presten preward
Nov 14 18:55:40 <hape> Hi I build vpnc with the wipdk. I run into the problem that it builds against libgnutls.so.13 but on the pre 3 we have libgnutls.so.26
Nov 14 18:55:48 <hape> How can I fix this?
Nov 14 19:05:32 <ka6sox> set dependency on >=.13?
Nov 14 19:05:43 <ka6sox> or are they significantly different.
Nov 14 19:25:20 <hape> I think I found the problem but I do not know how to fix it
Nov 14 19:25:30 <hape> CRYPTO_LDADD = $(shell pkg-config --libs gnutls)
Nov 14 19:26:04 <hape> is in the makefile. I think it get the info from my system and not from thesb2 crosscompile enviroment
Nov 14 19:26:29 <hape> as result it builds against the wrong libs
Nov 14 19:39:13 <wrea> hape, i doubt its building against the one on your system
Nov 14 19:40:07 <wrea> you'll need to update the version used as the one built is libgnutls.so.13.2.2
Nov 14 19:43:39 <hape> wrea: stupid question, how do I do this?
Nov 14 20:18:43 <hape> ok, problem solfed
Nov 14 20:29:32 <VICODAN> afternoon
Nov 14 21:20:03 <ka6sox> hape, what was issue?
Nov 14 21:26:39 <error454> Is uberkernel based off the base kernel source from palm or from kernel.org? I'm curious if it's possible to get the bluetooth module bluetooth.ko included.
Nov 14 21:27:33 <VICODAN> umm i believe bluetooth works with uberkenel?
Nov 14 21:28:21 <error454> I'm not concerned with that
Nov 14 21:29:48 <VICODAN> whats the problem?
Nov 14 21:30:55 <error454> I need bluetooth modules to run bluez utilities
Nov 14 21:36:54 <error454> CONFIG_BT=m would be a start and possibly all that's needed
Nov 14 21:52:42 <VICODAN> have you looked at meta-doctor or recompiling the kernel?
Nov 14 21:56:47 <error454> compiling isn't the issue, distribution is the issue
Nov 14 21:58:41 <VICODAN> well i dont know enough to help you
Nov 14 21:58:53 <VICODAN> i thought it was a flag you could set in the makefile and recompile the kernel
Nov 14 21:59:46 <error454> No problem, yeah it's no problem to compile the bluetooth stuff in but a homebrew app distributing kernel modules would be problematic.  For widespread distribution, I'd need uberkernel to adopt it
Nov 14 22:02:28 <linuxjacques> error454: if you could get an alternate bt stack working, I'm pretty sure at least one kernel would adopt it
Nov 14 22:03:03 <error454> linuxjacques: Are there any wiki details on the existing stack? I just don't understand why they didn't use bluez
Nov 14 22:03:04 <linuxjacques> alternate bt stack (one supporting mice and game controllers) is very high on my wish list for the TP
Nov 14 22:03:23 <error454> wiimote is reason I'm doing this
Nov 14 22:04:01 <linuxjacques> error454: I have found very few details on the proprietary stack. I think they did it that was for more control of the features/functionality
Nov 14 22:04:13 <error454> I just need enough details to remove the existing stack
Nov 14 22:04:54 <linuxjacques> it's been a while since I looked at it
Nov 14 22:05:10 <error454> I'll look through their kernel patches and see if it's obvious
Nov 14 22:07:12 <linuxjacques> good plan
Nov 14 22:14:12 <ka6sox> error454, for which device?
Nov 14 22:15:05 <error454> ka6sox: touchpad
Nov 14 23:32:17 <nightburn> rwhitby: you doing patches right now  ?
Nov 14 23:32:33 <nightburn> approving them that is  ?
Nov 14 23:34:05 <rwhitby> yes
Nov 14 23:34:19 <nightburn> i just got the denial email for custom browser gestures and 3.0.2
Nov 14 23:34:29 <nightburn> the update i submitted was specific to 3.0.4
Nov 14 23:34:50 <rwhitby> you marked it for 3.0.2 and 3.0.4 - it failed on 3.0.2
Nov 14 23:35:04 <rwhitby> if it's only for 3.0.4, then only tick 3.0.4
Nov 14 23:35:06 <nightburn> oops, i didn't mean to mark it 3.0.2
Nov 14 23:35:30 <nightburn> Should I resubmit it ?
Nov 14 23:37:07 <rwhitby> yes
Nov 14 23:39:37 <nightburn> rwhitby: alright, i submitted it again, sorry about that.
Nov 14 23:42:24 <rwhitby> are you going to update the 3.0.2 version too?
Nov 15 00:08:07 <nightburn> rwhitby: nope, im done maintaining the 3.0.2 version..
Nov 15 00:19:14 <kfife> Check this out: This is a video of a crazy bug in my 3.0.4  touchpad
Nov 15 00:19:23 <kfife> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weOBlkHaX24
Nov 15 00:19:33 <kfife> Contact records remain after all contact accounts are removed.
Nov 15 00:19:33 <kfife> Multiple attempts to delete records fail
Nov 15 00:19:34 <kfife> Attempt to update record results in record deletion
Nov 15 00:21:06 <kfife> Crazy right?
Nov 15 00:33:57 <hmmmm> craaaaaaazy
Nov 15 00:34:16 <halfhalo> like a fox!
Nov 15 02:31:53 <moo> i have usb connected and i can access the veer via usb network. however, appcatalog says there's no network, ask me if it should turn wifi on. is there any flag to make it think network is working?
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