**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 17 02:59:57 2011 Nov 17 03:42:13 "uberkernel has broken android" - right. Nov 17 03:50:43 must be time to uninstall UK then. and then everything will work again, right. =] Nov 17 03:55:20 or sell the touchpad to someone who can use it... Nov 17 03:56:26 lol Nov 17 04:30:33 ill start blaming everything on UK now Nov 17 04:34:16 speaking of i need to recompile that to get latest changes :) Nov 17 04:52:38 i find it interesting that the pre3 shows where about the call comes from here in AUS i havnt seen another phone do that Nov 17 05:38:43 hewball, I'm told that MHL requires kernel, hardware and "power" support to work Nov 17 05:44:34 ka6sox: damn :( Nov 17 05:44:49 guess ill stick to my USB audio then Nov 17 05:52:12 the info regarding OTG and supplying power in the kernel patch makes me wonder if that limit is software based too Nov 17 05:54:42 right, I was wondering that also as all the references seemed to connect the 8903(Charger) to OTG_5V Nov 17 05:56:02 external power isnt a problem, but would be handy not to need it Nov 17 06:02:20 I suspect it (not being able to supply vbus) is a hardware limitation (i.e. they did not connect 8903 to vbus) Nov 17 06:04:12 +* ID_GROUND: Configure device to act as host and supply VBUS. Nov 17 06:04:12 +* ID_A: Configure device to act as host and don't supply VBUS. In this state the device can charge as well. Nov 17 06:04:32 thats what the patch contains, take that as you will, could be either Nov 17 06:04:44 umm, which patch is this/ Nov 17 06:04:45 ? Nov 17 06:04:49 kernel Nov 17 06:05:22 yeah, which kernel patch? 3.0.4? Nov 17 06:05:30 3.0.2 Nov 17 06:05:37 havnt checked 3.0.4 Nov 17 06:08:50 same wording in 3.0.4 Nov 17 06:09:29 yeah, prob. upstream patch that's not specific to Touchpad Nov 17 06:09:36 maybe Nov 17 06:09:47 I'm guessing this is in msm72k? Nov 17 06:10:27 Documentation/usb/msm_otg.txt Nov 17 06:11:35 yeah, seems other msm devices can do it Nov 17 06:11:47 yeah its part of the OTG standard Nov 17 06:15:53 I think the key thing to look at is msm_hsusb_pmic_id_notif_init in arch/arm/mach-msm/board-tenderloin.c Nov 17 06:21:16 seems stilly do add otg to kernel in official release if they have no way of powering hardware Nov 17 06:21:36 Note that one of the first things it does is check if board_tenderloin and says nope, sorry, not for you Nov 17 06:23:09 I suppose they have to use otg driver since that's the chip used (msm72k) Nov 17 06:24:04 i.e. same driver does "normal" usb too Nov 17 06:25:58 ahh i guess so Nov 17 06:30:33 i guess i should make my pcb them to inject neatly Nov 17 06:32:47 pcb? making a "power-pack" for the usb device? Nov 17 06:33:52 nah was just thinking a usb extension PCB with a micro usb connector too, for supplying power Nov 17 06:34:03 rather than a Y cable Nov 17 06:35:08 powering USB neatly is the only thing left for my car mount Nov 17 06:35:31 ahh, yeah, having to use Y-cable too is pain -- was looking earlier today to see if could make it work without having to supply power to Touchpad too, but so far, no luck Nov 17 06:36:31 im going to use my dismantled touchstone to charge touchpad, but if i could make the otg power the sound card too would have been alot less wires Nov 17 06:38:33 did you post pics of the dismantling of touchstone? Nov 17 06:38:46 hmm a modified ipad/iphone combo charger would do touchstone and usb in 1 12V plug Nov 17 06:38:59 http://hewball.com.au/2011/11/touchpad-touchstone-dismantled/ Nov 17 06:43:47 cool. shame u can't power w/ usb cable and use it for otg connection, but doubt u could do that (even w/ kernel mods) Nov 17 06:44:14 yeah you can, but only at 500ma Nov 17 06:44:54 yeah, true. I meant powering at > 500ma Nov 17 06:45:17 oh yeah, hence pulling apart the touchstone Nov 17 06:45:22 is there some way to put the TouchPad into lock mode? Nov 17 06:45:32 other than letting it sit for a few minutes off the touchstone Nov 17 06:48:22 jcsullins: http://hewball.com.au/files/Touchstone/Touchstone088.jpg shows how im going to get around the mounting of the touchstone Nov 17 06:48:56 thats my first test of a vaccum mould of touchpad Nov 17 06:55:30 interesting. did u do the vaccum mold around the actual touchpad? Nov 17 06:55:52 (apply the vaccum with touchpad there?) Nov 17 06:56:02 yes Nov 17 06:56:57 cept the one machine i made to test smaller things, just fit the touchpad so most of that was done with a heatgun and fingers, still need to make the larger one Nov 17 06:58:07 cool. hard to tell from pic (need to see other side) but how does touchpad fit in? slide in from side, or? Nov 17 06:58:43 umm, looked again -- couldn't do that Nov 17 06:58:56 yeah slides in usb eng first Nov 17 06:59:09 but next one i made will hold the font and drop in from the top Nov 17 06:59:31 er front Nov 17 07:00:06 so what is the usb device connecting to touchpad? gps? Nov 17 07:00:51 http://www.TurtleBeach.com/products/sound-cards/audio-advantage-micro-ii.aspx Nov 17 07:01:06 GPS is vai bluetooth Nov 17 07:02:28 ahh, cool Nov 17 07:02:40 optical audio output Nov 17 07:04:22 still yet to decide how to deal with audio, as optical processors are expensive, but by far the best way to deal with the audio, or just an optical to RCA line level converter Nov 17 07:05:18 oh, I figured u had some fancy car stearo w/ optical audio input Nov 17 07:06:07 i dont mate does, and he currently uses ipad, wants to try touchpad out Nov 17 07:06:42 what about diff usb audio device that doesn't do optical audio? Nov 17 07:10:13 question: if i was able to buy an app on a webos profile, and i copy this app from one phone to another (so different profile, i don't know if is legal ... )but question is, after have installed the app when i have to update this app how the profile work ? i mean on the profile this app wasn't bought but i have on the phone it's work or not ? Nov 17 07:12:48 Darkmagister: I don't think that will work (apps are tied to profile they are purchased with) Nov 17 07:13:32 jcsullins: finding a usb audio adapter that does line level rca isnt cheap either, optical is cheaper Nov 17 07:13:48 ok Nov 17 07:13:50 thanks Nov 17 07:16:26 54752c9d-990d-44d2-8ea9-18a9dc452d1b here a code for Juggle XHD This code is good through 17 November 2011. i hope it's still valid, unfotunatelly i can't use it ... so the first that see can use it ... let me know if it's work Nov 17 07:17:41 jcsullins: i did find this, iKey iConnecx Portable USB Sound Card with Phono Preamp, would work but thats over 100 bucks to get it to me Nov 17 07:26:48 yeah, 100$ too much - I'm no audio expert for sure, but what about using headphones jack on touchpad? Nov 17 07:27:18 to feed that into an amp is realy noisy as its already amplified :( Nov 17 07:28:02 ahh, ok Nov 17 07:29:47 seems our prez is down w/ you guys (darwin, au) right now Nov 17 07:30:25 its all thats on the news now, you would think we are a state of the US or something Nov 17 07:31:46 you havent heard? you're the 51st state now Nov 17 07:31:50 lol, yeah, I didn't know about it - came on live on news chan. just now - him giving speech Nov 17 07:32:41 canada is like our awkward cousin, so they're omitted as a state Nov 17 07:32:46 haha the funny thing about that his speech was live on tv here, last time i remember that, was for the prime minister getting the boot Nov 17 07:33:31 although if he took home our dollars its worth slightly more these days Nov 17 07:40:42 Darkmagister: promo code worked, thanks Nov 17 08:05:31 jcsullins :D you are welcome :D if i can ask, where do you live ? Nov 17 08:05:50 US Nov 17 08:11:55 you know any prepaid credit card ? from us ?? because i need one if i want to use ... the catalog and futur promo code :D Nov 17 08:22:26 rwhitby: i know diff -u /dev/null file > a.patch should work when patch < a.patch, i tested it with patch --dry-run. but WQI said something wrong. and the error window is too big for me to see what's wrong. do you know if this is acceptd by the safe patch algorithm used by patches.webos-internals.org ? Nov 17 08:22:26 i simply want to add a json file Nov 17 09:11:33 moo: diff -BurN ... Nov 17 09:20:06 the patch file already working when i apply it using patch < a.patch but no with WQI. maybe it's relatived to non-ascii characters. i'll try more Nov 17 18:05:01 hey does anyone who pushes to WOSI feeds have an example makefile that I can look at? I'm trying to get competent on how those sorts of things are done. Typically speaking, I've used a bash script to build my apps. Nov 17 18:10:36 grep_awesome, the git repo has lots of examples Nov 17 18:11:22 scoutcamper: gotcha... sorry, stupid question Nov 17 18:11:53 no stupid questions Nov 17 18:12:05 lol just noobs Nov 17 18:12:52 thanks though! Nov 17 18:29:12 hi Nov 17 18:29:55 anybody have experience why are arajx requests so slow on veer ? Nov 17 18:47:41 Hello Nov 17 18:48:04 today I'm getting an error while downloading apps (paid) from the app catalog Nov 17 18:48:24 I get a message saying that US Government prohibits Palm for selling me any app Nov 17 18:48:44 do you know if this is a known error and how could I get it solved? Nov 17 18:49:22 webos_user: that is more of a question form palm support mate. #webos-internals is for homebrew Nov 17 18:49:40 OK; thank you grep_awesome Nov 17 18:49:52 webos_user: good luck, sorry to hear you're having trouble Nov 17 18:50:11 Regarding that, how could I get the apps list available in preware? Nov 17 18:50:20 I'm thinking on install it on my Pre2 Nov 17 18:50:50 preware pulls from multiple feeds (same concept as repositories), the major ones are webos-internals and precentral Nov 17 18:51:35 are there more apps available than in the official HP catalog? Nov 17 18:51:37 pardon my ignorance, but I don't know of a good way to browse the webos-internals ones through a browser. you can visit ipkg.preware.org if you want to poke around, but it isn't designed for a user. precentral does have a web interface for their homebrew catalog Nov 17 18:51:55 but if I were you, I'd just install preware Nov 17 18:52:02 it is the easiest way to browse Nov 17 18:52:16 or you could use the WebosQuickInstaller.jar, a google search will tell you all about that Nov 17 18:52:41 Thank you again!! Nov 17 18:52:50 np Nov 17 19:18:13 folks Nov 17 19:23:29 bhuey_:howdy Nov 17 23:26:28 * spectra_ waves Nov 17 23:27:12 trying to doctor my vzw pre 2 to be wifi only, but the meta-verizon-pre2-2.1.0 script that the wiki calls for isn't in the meta-doctor github anymore Nov 17 23:28:22 * spectra_ waves Nov 17 23:29:46 when i try to follow the directions i get this: Nov 17 23:29:52 heatheriac@mustang ~/meta-doctor $ ./scripts/meta-verizon-pre2-2.1.0 --wifi-only Nov 17 23:29:56 -bash: ./scripts/meta-verizon-pre2-2.1.0: No such file or directory Nov 17 23:33:13 hmm - seems to have gone missing, indeed. Nov 17 23:33:54 the only pre2 thing i see is old-meta-verizon-pre2-2.1.0 and test-verizon-pre2-2.1.0 Nov 17 23:34:14 i can guess on the old one ... but i'm not 100% Nov 17 23:51:07 guess i'll just try the old one and if it doesn't work go with the test one Nov 17 23:51:17 thanks for the confirmation though rwhitby Nov 17 23:51:20 * spectra_ waves Nov 18 01:42:24 Hey, webos doctor won't update my touchpad Nov 18 01:42:31 fails after 4% on webos 3.0.4 Nov 18 02:16:02 siestacat, did you in any way modify the layout of the TP? Nov 18 02:16:10 ie LVMs? Nov 18 02:19:15 * Loudergood puts money on android Nov 18 02:22:54 Sucker Bet. Nov 18 02:24:03 * rwhitby puts money on not running the doctor on the command line too Nov 18 02:25:48 rwhitby: so that tweet does changing that make a diff? Nov 18 02:26:14 ka6sox yes Nov 18 02:26:25 hewball: it re-asked the question when I removed the file and re-ran the app catalog Nov 18 02:27:32 goes off testing sqlite changes Nov 18 02:29:07 * PatrickC should read things better before responding... Nov 18 02:30:21 hewball: it may re-set it from the deviceProperties.country field though Nov 18 02:30:52 hmm, maybe i shouldnt **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 18 02:59:57 2011