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Nov 19 04:38:45 <dwc-> programmerq: what feeds?
Nov 19 04:40:12 <dwc-> redmine.webos-internals.org, but I'm not sure there's a projdct set up for the feeds
Nov 19 07:21:28 <zhcool> hi
Nov 19 07:22:12 <booto> my (preware'd) touchpad seems to be in a weird state... a purchased app from the store "MojoService: no errorCode supplied" (updated recently) is throwing errors making it unusable, and the preware package 'Muffle System Logging' is failing to either update or be removed
Nov 19 07:22:27 <chpwn> doctor time?
Nov 19 07:38:55 <dwc-> rebooted?
Nov 19 08:44:48 * EricBlade just looked at the alternative kernels list for the Pre.  1.2Ghz?  You guys are insane.
Nov 19 16:34:15 <ice8lue> hey guys, got a huge problem with my touchpad (3.0.4)
Nov 19 16:35:08 <ice8lue> i used impostah to login to my us profile to load kindle (worked), logged back in to my main german profile (successful too) but now can't buy any apps
Nov 19 16:36:43 <ice8lue> get errors PMT01002, RESP0002, PMT01002, RESP0009, RESP006, LOC04006, PMT01002
Nov 19 16:36:57 <ice8lue> can you help me?
Nov 19 16:39:49 <ice8lue> anyone?
Nov 19 16:47:18 <ice8lue> i got it... somehow, after logging in to my DE profile, impostah switched it back to US.. now I did only change country to germany and it works like a charm
Nov 19 16:58:15 <PatrickC> question about making a Packages file, my packages file looks like this http://pastebin.com/zSsMgX2x
Nov 19 16:58:40 <PatrickC> but when i load up my packages file ( http://minego.net/phnx ) it doesnt show any of the screenshots/description/etc.
Nov 19 17:10:13 <dwc-> #
Nov 19 17:10:15 <dwc-> Filename: org.webosinternals.freetether_1.2.0-2_arm.ipk
Nov 19 17:10:39 <dwc-> that needs fixing at least
Nov 19 17:11:53 <dwc-> how did you make that file?
Nov 19 17:12:50 <PatrickC> i fixed that issue
Nov 19 17:13:06 <PatrickC> oh, i used the Packages file from ipkg.preware.org
Nov 19 17:32:54 <dwc-> I get 403'd on your feed
Nov 19 17:36:04 <PatrickC> i do now too
Nov 19 17:36:06 <PatrickC> lemme fix that
Nov 19 17:37:35 <PatrickC> having the guy im working with fix it
Nov 19 17:37:40 <PatrickC> we are hosting it on his server
Nov 19 17:38:04 <PatrickC> should be fixed now dwc-
Nov 19 17:40:08 <PatrickC> is compressed should be set to on
Nov 19 17:40:10 <PatrickC> no*
Nov 19 17:44:52 <PatrickC> dwc-, just confimed that the feed is back up
Nov 19 17:58:10 <PatrickC> just tried putting the package file on my server, still wont give me the description/icon/etc.
Nov 19 18:03:00 <dwc-> I'm having trouble with your feed. I keep getting "no route to host" trying to update the feed
Nov 19 18:03:23 <PatrickC> really? loads fine for me
Nov 19 18:03:35 <PatrickC> try http://awesomeapps.aa.am/feeds is-compressed no
Nov 19 18:05:25 <dwc-> what happens if you take out the linefeed after your <br>
Nov 19 18:05:32 <PatrickC> not sure
Nov 19 18:05:34 <PatrickC> lemme check
Nov 19 18:05:37 <dwc-> sorry, before
Nov 19 18:08:20 <cryptk> PatrickC, the content type is wrong... it is set to application/content-stream
Nov 19 18:08:30 <cryptk> it should be text/plain
Nov 19 18:08:37 <cryptk> what are you making that Packages index with?
Nov 19 18:08:49 <PatrickC> cryptk, Packages index?
Nov 19 18:09:04 <PatrickC> like the file?
Nov 19 18:09:08 <cryptk> http://minego.net/phnx/Packages
Nov 19 18:09:13 <cryptk> that is your packages index file
Nov 19 18:09:22 <cryptk> it is an index of all of the packages in the feed
Nov 19 18:09:39 <PatrickC> i am building it from the packages file from http://ipkg.preware.org
Nov 19 18:09:52 <cryptk> on awesomeapps URL it is right
Nov 19 18:09:55 <cryptk> on the other one it is wrong
Nov 19 18:10:04 <cryptk> PatrickC, are you making it by hand?
Nov 19 18:10:13 <PatrickC> yes
Nov 19 18:10:16 <cryptk> fail...
Nov 19 18:10:22 <PatrickC> taking and editing the one from webos internals
Nov 19 18:10:23 <PatrickC> why?
Nov 19 18:10:44 <cryptk> A: the line with the screenshots and descriptions is in what format?
Nov 19 18:10:45 <PatrickC> i tried jasons IPKG feed generator, but it doesnt give me a description/icon/etc.
Nov 19 18:11:21 <dwc-> it's in "we just embedded a raw newline here" format
Nov 19 18:11:50 <cryptk> well yes
Nov 19 18:11:53 <cryptk> that is wrong...
Nov 19 18:12:00 <cryptk> but PatrickC what format is the Source line in?
Nov 19 18:12:13 <PatrickC> lemme check..
Nov 19 18:12:49 <PatrickC> the Line ending are in Unix if thats what you are wondering
Nov 19 18:12:53 <cryptk> no
Nov 19 18:13:47 <PatrickC> would this http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/apps/wirc/Makefile with a few edits work for making a Packages file?
Nov 19 18:13:53 <cryptk> nope
Nov 19 18:13:57 <PatrickC> im looking thru the git to see how you guys build yours
Nov 19 18:14:00 <cryptk> that isn't what builds the packages index
Nov 19 18:14:03 <cryptk> the autobuilder does it
Nov 19 18:14:16 <cryptk> the autobuilder uses the packages makefiles to build the packages
Nov 19 18:14:24 <cryptk> then it generates the index file
Nov 19 18:14:34 <cryptk> then it syncs it's data out to all of the ipkg mirrors
Nov 19 18:14:51 <PatrickC> ok.. you lost me lol
Nov 19 18:15:04 <cryptk> PatrickC, the Source line is JSON
Nov 19 18:15:08 <cryptk> at least it is supposed to be
Nov 19 18:15:13 <cryptk> your source line is not valid JSON
Nov 19 18:15:16 <cryptk> hence why it isn't working
Nov 19 18:15:31 <PatrickC> ah
Nov 19 18:15:36 <PatrickC> lemme run it thru jsonlint
Nov 19 18:15:51 <cryptk> take out the line break
Nov 19 18:16:13 <cryptk> your source line has a line break in it... CRLF is not allowed in JSON
Nov 19 18:17:25 <PatrickC> ok
Nov 19 18:17:54 <PatrickC> jsonline says 'Expecting '{', '[''
Nov 19 18:18:02 <PatrickC> but whenever i add them, it still errors out
Nov 19 18:18:27 <cryptk> you didn't read what I said did you
Nov 19 18:18:36 <PatrickC> the hard linebreak
Nov 19 18:18:39 <cryptk> yes
Nov 19 18:18:40 <cryptk> remove it
Nov 19 18:18:44 <cryptk> that makes it valid JSON
Nov 19 18:19:05 <dwc-> uh
Nov 19 18:19:05 <PatrickC> ok
Nov 19 18:19:11 <dwc-> no, 10:16 < PatrickC> jsonline says 'Expecting '{', '[''
Nov 19 18:19:21 <PatrickC> jsonlint* lol
Nov 19 18:19:22 <dwc-> are you feeding it "Source: { "... etc
Nov 19 18:19:28 <cryptk> that too
Nov 19 18:19:30 <PatrickC> yes
Nov 19 18:19:33 <dwc-> or are you feeding it just the stuff after the {
Nov 19 18:19:35 <cryptk> the Source:  part isn't part of the JSON
Nov 19 18:19:50 <cryptk> feed JSONlint everything from the first { to the last }
Nov 19 18:19:54 <cryptk> without the line break
Nov 19 18:20:02 <dwc-> no, no, feed it with and also without
Nov 19 18:20:15 <cryptk> dwc-, what are you talking about with and without
Nov 19 18:20:24 <dwc-> so he can see the error
Nov 19 18:20:38 <dwc-> and then see it go away
Nov 19 18:21:14 <PatrickC> this better? http://awesomeapps.aa.am/feeds/Packages
Nov 19 18:22:32 <cryptk> PatrickC, the ONLY thing you need to do is remove the line break
Nov 19 18:22:32 <cryptk> ignore dwc- 's blasphemy
Nov 19 18:22:40 <PatrickC> ok
Nov 19 18:22:53 <dwc-> wait, what?
Nov 19 18:22:59 <dwc-> why are you blaming me for this?
Nov 19 18:23:25 <cryptk> I was kidding ;)
Nov 19 18:25:14 <dwc-> well, that removed the bare linefeed inside of the string... not certain preware will take multi-line json still, but ...
Nov 19 18:25:59 <PatrickC> and now it seems to be working
Nov 19 18:26:06 <PatrickC> thanks guys!!!
Nov 19 18:28:57 <PatrickC> the only issue is it says the title of the app is "Project Minego" but it should be "Project Macaw"
Nov 19 18:29:10 <PatrickC> cntrl+f doesnt even find Project Minego in the file
Nov 19 18:30:13 <PatrickC> oh, its a problem on the other server. mines fine
Nov 19 18:30:19 <PatrickC> thanks again for the help dwc- and cryptk
Nov 19 18:30:25 <cryptk> np
Nov 19 18:30:39 <PatrickC> feel free to try the app and comment :)
Nov 19 18:36:35 <cryptk> silly bridge connections
Nov 19 18:57:26 <ramitos> anyone?
Nov 19 19:05:00 <PatrickC> ramitos, yes?
Nov 19 19:05:30 <ramitos> hi PatrickC
Nov 19 19:05:42 <ramitos> how do I load modules?
Nov 19 19:05:42 <PatrickC> hey
Nov 19 19:05:46 <PatrickC> not sure
Nov 19 19:05:47 <PatrickC> sorry
Nov 19 19:05:51 <ramitos> costum modules
Nov 19 19:05:57 <ramitos> like
Nov 19 19:06:03 <RagingMind> kernel modules?
Nov 19 19:06:10 <ramitos> no
Nov 19 19:06:27 <ramitos> like node.js module
Nov 19 19:06:36 <PatrickC> oh, for development?
Nov 19 19:06:42 <ramitos> downloaded, for exemple, from npm
Nov 19 19:06:53 <RagingMind> for that I suggest asking in #webos
Nov 19 19:07:03 <ramitos> already did
Nov 19 19:07:05 <ramitos> :)
Nov 19 19:07:22 <RagingMind> ah, heh
Nov 19 19:14:18 <PatrickC> why would i get the error "Access is denied' when trying to memboot?
Nov 19 19:17:59 <halfhalo> it hates you
Nov 19 19:19:31 <PatrickC> we know that
Nov 19 19:19:39 <PatrickC> but it still should work with some force
Nov 20 00:12:55 <uptown> hello! i added an /etc/rc.local as in http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/ssh_to_debian_chroot_on_palm_pre/ to add an iptables rule for my chroot sshd but it doesn't seem to run. when i run it by hand in novacom it works fine. am i doing something wrong?
Nov 20 00:25:23 <rob__> what's up
Nov 20 01:04:08 <kohlmannj> Hello webOS Internals IRC, easy question that I haven't gotten a straight answer on so far: I have a TouchPad on webOS 3.0.2. I've installed Preware, Überkernel and Govnah. It is "safe" to update to 3.0.4 without risk of losing Preware? I imagine I'll have to re-install Überkernel and possibly Govnah, but I just wanted to check before I give myself a headache. Thanks.
Nov 20 01:05:38 <summatusmentis> you won't lose any installed apps unless something goes horribly horribly wrong (assuming you're not using a doctor to upgrade)
Nov 20 01:05:59 <kohlmannj> nope, just the built-in system updates, uh, system.
Nov 20 01:06:15 <summatusmentis> uberkernel will likely need to be reinstalled, and the safest way to do this is to go back to the original palm kernel first, upgrade, then reinstall uberkernel (I believe)
Nov 20 01:06:29 <kohlmannj> good advice, I'll do that.
Nov 20 01:06:54 <summatusmentis> but you shouldn't need to reinstall preware or govnah after the upgrade
Nov 20 01:07:46 <kohlmannj> okay, great news. Obviously Preware is an entirely different beast, but I have a habit of prepping for the worst from iOS jailbreaking muckery in the past.
Nov 20 01:08:21 <dwc-> see, this is what's awesome when you don't have to 'jailbreak'
Nov 20 01:08:40 <summatusmentis> preware is just an app
Nov 20 01:09:10 <summatusmentis> it does some more system level stuff than app catalog apps are allowed to do, but it's just an app (at least as far as I'm aware)
Nov 20 01:10:20 <kohlmannj> yup, understood. glad I asked about Uberkernel though, that was the biggest question mark (and the answer makes perfect sense of course)
Nov 20 01:10:59 <kohlmannj> while I'm at it, did 3.0.4 end up being faster at all? just curious.
Nov 20 01:11:25 <dwc-> not enough that I've noticed
Nov 20 01:12:42 <summatusmentis> it's a lot more slick, I thought
Nov 20 01:12:51 <kohlmannj> huh, we'll see I guess.
Nov 20 01:12:53 <summatusmentis> just like, more polished
Nov 20 02:33:48 <rwatkins> anyone know where on the filesystem webkit caches files - like downloaded images?
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