**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 27 02:59:57 2011
Nov 27 04:07:21 <wrea> hmm, my upstart script isnt working
Nov 27 04:10:26 <ka6sox> wrea, thats an art sometimes.
Nov 27 04:11:33 <wrea> seriously
Nov 27 04:11:45 <wrea> I got dbus' working last night
Nov 27 04:31:26 <wrea> okay, fixed it
Nov 27 05:16:19 <leroy> I am a newbe
Nov 27 05:16:43 <leroy> will some help
Nov 27 05:17:18 <cryptk> what do you need help with?
Nov 27 05:17:29 <leroy> preware
Nov 27 05:17:40 <cryptk> using it? installing it?
Nov 27 05:17:57 <leroy> using
Nov 27 05:18:09 <cryptk> ok, so you already have it installed then right?
Nov 27 05:18:19 <leroy> yes
Nov 27 05:18:40 <cryptk> we actually have it well documented, check out this link and see if it answers your questions
Nov 27 05:18:40 <cryptk> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Usage
Nov 27 05:19:10 <cryptk> I would recommend avoiding anything that has to do with Testing Feeds until you are more familiar with it though
Nov 27 05:19:21 <leroy> the package updates is graded out
Nov 27 05:19:38 <cryptk> what exactly is greyed out?
Nov 27 05:19:41 <leroy> that is grayed
Nov 27 05:20:07 <cryptk> "that" is not a valid response for "what exactly"
Nov 27 05:20:51 <leroy> it showed available app and all but update is grayed out
Nov 27 05:21:12 <cryptk> are you on a scene with package details?
Nov 27 05:21:28 <cryptk> or the main scene in preware?
Nov 27 05:21:54 <cryptk> if you are on the main scene, if Package Updates is greyed out, that means that all homebrew packages that were isntalled through preware feeds are up to date
Nov 27 05:22:02 <leroy>  also only 1 CPU shows 1.5 ghz
Nov 27 05:22:16 <cryptk> Preware doesn't show anything about CPU usage
Nov 27 05:22:23 <cryptk> that's govnah
Nov 27 05:22:28 <leroy> yes
Nov 27 05:22:38 <cryptk> what device are you on?
Nov 27 05:22:52 <leroy> hptablet
Nov 27 05:23:14 <cryptk> well, there isn't much we can do about what CPU the OS decides to use
Nov 27 05:23:25 <cryptk> not everything is multi-threaded
Nov 27 05:23:37 <cryptk> so if it isn't multi-threaded, then it can only use one of the CPU cores
Nov 27 05:23:37 <leroy> I see
Nov 27 05:24:18 <leroy> can I clock this to 1.7 or 1.9
Nov 27 05:25:18 <cryptk> you can use an aftermarket kernel, not sure what speed they are up to at the moment
Nov 27 05:25:27 <cryptk> let me grab my TP and check
Nov 27 05:25:58 <cryptk> 1.7 sure
Nov 27 05:26:08 <cryptk> the F4 kernel will do that
Nov 27 05:26:12 <leroy> did a lot of research on web
Nov 27 05:26:17 <leroy> great
Nov 27 05:27:25 <leroy> thanks for the help
Nov 27 05:27:32 <cryptk> but the F4 kernel is a beta kernel
Nov 27 05:27:40 <cryptk> start out with the UberKernel first
Nov 27 05:28:18 <leroy> ok
Nov 27 05:28:53 <cryptk> walking before you run is a good idea, especially when ti comes to overclocking
Nov 27 05:28:58 <leroy> is there a doc on web
Nov 27 05:29:06 <cryptk> for kernels?
Nov 27 05:29:18 <leroy> yes
Nov 27 05:29:40 <leroy> just retired from lt
Nov 27 05:29:47 <cryptk> there are wiki pages for each individual kernel
Nov 27 05:30:30 <leroy> had the first palm and still do
Nov 27 05:31:15 <leroy> so do a search for f4 kernel
Nov 27 05:34:00 <leroy> thanks
Nov 27 05:45:29 <rwhitby> read the homepage link in Preware for each kernel, as you should do for any package you are considering installing
Nov 27 08:02:33 <wrea> sconix, ever have this problem? http://pastebin.com/Df2C07xd
Nov 27 08:45:02 <discord> hi all, i've been trying to remove my ubuntu partition since i'm about to send tp in for warranty
Nov 27 08:45:17 <discord> but I've been running into some fsck error
Nov 27 08:45:24 <discord> wondering how to proceed
Nov 27 08:46:03 <discord> it's described here: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/293028-new-touchpad-heres-your-get-started-guide-43.html#post3252677
Nov 27 10:07:50 <sconix> wrea: haven't had such problem
Nov 27 11:45:49 <rwhitby> discord: how did you repartition in the first place?  what instructions did you follow?
Nov 27 15:42:17 <discord> rwhitby: i followed the webos internals instructions, i think i resized the partition and created a new ext3 partition after that
Nov 27 16:00:59 <PBezu> hey
Nov 27 18:46:50 <wrea> sconix, lucky you. It's weird too. I havent done anything to pulse besides install the modules
Nov 27 18:54:05 <wrea> sconix, I might just doctor it once im really sick of dealing with it. Besides trying the get avahi's upstart script to start after dbus i just need to test and make sure the modules load
Nov 27 18:57:25 <sconix> wrea: the error sounded like the sound card is not there i.e. driver error which should not be nothing to do with pulse
Nov 27 19:19:56 <wrea> I've seen the error being caused by another processes blocking pulseaudio from accessing the audio
Nov 27 19:20:13 <wrea> sconix, whats audiod used for anyway?
Nov 27 19:22:15 <sconix> wrea: its the palm component that does the audio routing
Nov 27 19:22:48 <sconix> i.e. it direct audio from different sources to the soundcard or to bluetooth etc.
Nov 27 19:23:42 <sconix> basically it just controls the palm-policy pulseaudio module, my patch adds an additional control layer into that module to allow overriding those what audiod asks :)
Nov 27 19:23:58 <sconix> needed for the wifi/usb audio
Nov 27 19:24:12 <wrea> gotcha
Nov 27 19:25:11 <DThought> sconix: redirect audio output to an pulseaudio udp sink e.g. ?
Nov 27 19:25:21 <wrea> i only ask because when i ran fuser on /dev/snd/* audiod came up
Nov 27 19:26:29 <sconix> DThought: not sure what you mean?
Nov 27 19:27:11 <sconix> DThought: if I understood correctly, the audiod does not do that but it could be done
Nov 27 19:27:24 <DThought> sconix: you plan on being able to redirect the audio output of webos to different devices?
Nov 27 19:27:38 <sconix> DThought: I already do that
Nov 27 19:28:26 <sconix> the pulseaudio settings app / control patch enables redirecting the audio to USB sound card or over wifi to another pulseaudio daemon
Nov 27 19:29:03 <sconix> wrea was experimenting with the pulseaudio rtp modules but those are still no go
Nov 27 19:29:40 <wrea> Yeah, pulse on my laptop sees the streams, just no sound
Nov 27 19:30:02 <DThought> sconix: ah... i've seen it in the catalog, but haven't tried it yet :) thats a neat feature. I once fiddled with pacmd trying to get something like that...
Nov 27 19:30:50 <sconix> DThought: yeah normally it can be done only with pactl/pacmd, but the audiod in webOS prevents it, so I made the patch for palm-policy module so we can get the control back
Nov 27 19:32:07 <sconix> at the moment it adds usb and wifi sinks, so one can direct sound to the default pcm sink or those two sinks if the patch is intalled, by sending override commands for the palm-policy module, that what the pulseaudio settings app does
Nov 27 19:36:55 <DThought> sconix: sounds great... i'll look into it once i get to it (is it in a beta feed?)
Nov 27 19:37:17 <DThought> i'm trying to access the cam of an pre from command line
Nov 27 19:38:32 <sconix> DThought: its actually still in alpha-apps feed
Nov 27 19:38:54 <sconix> and patch in alpha-patches feed
Nov 27 19:38:54 <wrea> Okay, I got avahi to start up, but its using webos-device.local instead of the proper hostname
Nov 27 19:40:36 <DThought> sconix: okay, thats why i don't see it yet
Nov 27 19:50:44 <wrea> the version of upstart that webos uses sucks
Nov 27 20:09:55 <wrea> so, it wont start with my changed when booting, but it will if i do it manually
Nov 27 20:22:00 <oc80z> ...
Nov 27 20:38:59 <panel> hello
Nov 27 22:10:27 <daniel_n> im getting a new pre minus in the mail
Nov 27 22:10:35 <daniel_n> er.. factory refurbished
Nov 27 22:10:40 <daniel_n> is it worth to overclock?
Nov 27 22:11:07 <rwhitby> is there any reason not to?
Nov 27 22:11:42 <daniel_n> lol
Nov 27 22:12:20 <daniel_n> i overclocked my pixi to 800mhz for a couple months, now im beginning to see the damages
Nov 27 22:12:27 <daniel_n> dont want the same to happen to my pre
Nov 27 22:13:21 <daniel_n> whats the stock speed on the pre
Nov 27 22:17:00 <rwhitby> what damage did you see on the pixi?
Nov 27 22:20:11 <daniel_n> when i first got it and overclocked, apps opened and performed rather quickly and smoothly
Nov 27 22:20:29 <daniel_n> same apps today lag like ****
Nov 27 22:20:35 <daniel_n> even after doctoring
Nov 27 22:24:23 <daniel_n> sounds hardware related?
Nov 27 22:26:05 <daniel_n> also forgot to mention random crashes
Nov 27 22:30:29 <PuffTheMagic_> what do people use usb passthough for?
Nov 27 22:49:57 <daniel_n> PuffTheMagic: not too sure
Nov 27 22:50:23 <daniel_n> sounds like something i'd use if i was stuck at activation screen though
Nov 27 22:53:59 <daniel_n> whats the stock speed on the palm pre?
Nov 27 23:11:42 <daniel_n> this channel has so many people, but so little activity
Nov 27 23:12:48 <wrea> yup
Nov 27 23:13:11 <wrea> plus its a holiday weekend in the states
Nov 27 23:14:04 <jcsullins> big peanut gallery
Nov 27 23:15:44 <rwhitby> daniel_n: do the apps lag if you doctor and do *not* add any accounts in your profile?
Nov 27 23:16:01 <rwhitby> hardware related issues are very unlikely to cause apps to lag.
Nov 27 23:16:31 <rwhitby> more likely is the amount of data or contacts or emails or background processes running on your device has increased since you first got it
Nov 27 23:20:33 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic_: usually to do modem-related stuff, like putting a CDMA phone on another network
Nov 27 23:25:11 <panel> good night
Nov 27 23:28:05 <daniel_n> rwhitby: yeah still does
Nov 27 23:28:10 <daniel_n> i made a whole new palm account
Nov 27 23:28:17 <daniel_n> same issue
Nov 27 23:28:35 <daniel_n> i didnt add any aim/yahoo/facebook/etc... accounts
Nov 27 23:29:09 <rwhitby> I can't think of a failure mechanism which would cause lags. Crashes yes, lags no.
Nov 27 23:29:43 <daniel_n> eh, im more concerned with crashes though
Nov 27 23:29:54 <daniel_n> atleast with lags i can still get my work done
Nov 27 23:30:20 <rwhitby> your call. if you suspect the crashes are due to overclocking, then don't overclock.
Nov 27 23:30:43 <daniel_n> yeah, i'll see how good the pre does at its stock speed
Nov 27 23:31:03 <PuffTheMagic_> rwhitby: so there is no way to get serial console out of the usb port right?
Nov 27 23:31:29 <rwhitby> I'm sure there's some way.
Nov 27 23:32:00 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 27 23:34:31 <PuffTheMagic_> geist: ^^ ping any insight on this?
Nov 27 23:36:51 <wrea> Is there a way to find out what upstart starts up last?
Nov 28 00:12:12 <wrea> apparently you cant have an upstart script wait on more than one thing to start or stop before running
Nov 28 00:49:43 <daniel_n> can i get MHS for webos 2.1?
Nov 28 01:14:05 <wrea> rwhitby, right now for avahi and pulse I'm using the latest dbus. But using the dbus version from 1.4.x has been in the back of my mind. Should I just stick with the current version?
Nov 28 01:28:44 <rwhitby> wrea: are these things going to run on 1.4.x ?
Nov 28 01:32:02 <wrea> Not specifically as I dont have a 1.4.x device. But if someone tested a package with some changed there'd be no reason why avahi couldnt run on the devices
Nov 28 01:46:33 <rwhitby> just wondering whether you'd want to reuse the 1.4.5 dbus version in that case.
Nov 28 01:50:39 <wrea> Yeah
Nov 28 01:51:37 <wrea> If i stick with the current version, I'm close to done with dbus and avahi
Nov 28 01:51:52 <wrea> Just need to test the pulse modules
Nov 28 02:09:55 <PuffTheMagic_> daniel_n: dont want freeTether?
Nov 28 02:10:12 <discord> hi all, i've been trying to remove my ubuntu partition since i'm about to send tp in for warranty
Nov 28 02:10:38 <discord> but I've been running into some fsck error
Nov 28 02:10:46 <rwhitby> discord: have you tried the complete LVM reinit at the end of the recovery page?
Nov 28 02:11:32 <discord> I tried something similar
Nov 28 02:11:38 <discord> I've removed the partitions
Nov 28 02:11:56 <discord> I was running fsck, and have been recieving errors
Nov 28 02:12:13 <discord> i guess maybe i should try running metadoctor?
Nov 28 02:12:44 <rwhitby> have you done http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover#Complete_filesystem_creation ?
Nov 28 02:16:06 <discord> rwhitby: I'm going to try webos doctor and see if that works
Nov 28 02:16:14 <discord> rwhitby: thanks
Nov 28 02:24:27 <discord> is there a way to download webos doctor without using the jnlp / javawebstart file? I seem to be getting some exceptions when I try the web start
Nov 28 02:24:37 <cryptk> there sure is
Nov 28 02:24:46 <cryptk> direct links are on the wiki
Nov 28 02:25:07 <cryptk> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions
Nov 28 02:25:27 <cryptk> note that the links for older versions won't work, they don't store ancient ones on their servers
Nov 28 02:25:33 <cryptk> the URL's are just there for "posterity"
Nov 28 02:25:46 <cryptk> but the last version or two of each kind /should/ be available
Nov 28 02:26:23 <cryptk> and there is a list of MD5's at the bottom so you can verify your download
Nov 28 02:29:43 <discord> cryptk: thanks, actually the jnlp file listed the url also
Nov 28 02:30:13 <cryptk> yep
Nov 28 02:30:17 <cryptk> that is where we get them from
Nov 28 02:30:28 <cryptk> just open it up in a text editor and grab the pieces and put it together
Nov 28 02:31:18 <discord> looks like im having java.util.zip.ZipException: invalid literal/length code at java.util.zip.InflaterInputStream.read(InflateInputSream.java:147)
Nov 28 02:31:40 <discord> I'll see what happens when I try the jar file without webstart
Nov 28 02:36:32 <discord> ok think my problem is openJDK, I thought I removed it, but it seems to have come back. *running debian
Nov 28 02:36:53 <cryptk> openJDK6 has some problems, openJDK7 is solid
Nov 28 02:37:02 <cryptk> and there is NO sun java 7
Nov 28 02:44:09 <daniel_n> does anyone think sprint would care if i use 6gb's per month in data usage?
Nov 28 02:45:03 <cryptk> nah
Nov 28 02:45:09 <cryptk> they are still unlimited (for now)
Nov 28 02:45:25 <daniel_n> lol
Nov 28 02:45:49 <daniel_n> gonna load webos 2.1 and MHS :3
Nov 28 02:45:56 <daniel_n> free internet for 3 other people
Nov 28 02:46:58 <daniel_n> just picked up a factory refurbished pre for $40
Nov 28 02:47:02 <discord> cryptk: i read that openJDK7 is now the standard java reference implementation, however I don't have it installed
Nov 28 02:47:28 <cryptk> discord, you are indeed correct
Nov 28 02:47:39 <cryptk> there will be no more sun java's
Nov 28 02:47:47 <cryptk> oracle "open sourced" it
Nov 28 02:48:47 <moo> rwhitby: should i submit the "veer (2.1.2, not 2.1.0) only version for CN ISO date format" as an update, or as a new patch?
Nov 28 02:49:20 <rwhitby> new patch, like is done with the Advanced Configuration patches
Nov 28 02:49:36 <moo> :)
Nov 28 02:49:54 <xXBlackChaosXx> Is this the proper channel to ask for help regarding my hp touchpad ?
Nov 28 02:50:28 <rwhitby> if it's running webOS homebrew, yes.
Nov 28 02:50:53 <xXBlackChaosXx> yes
Nov 28 02:51:06 <xXBlackChaosXx> i'm having trouble over clocking my touchpad
Nov 28 02:51:32 <discord> cryptk: sun open source'd java, they made the openjdk. I believe oracle will still be producing "other" java implementations
Nov 28 02:51:41 <rwhitby> xXBlackChaosXx: have you followed the instructions in http://bit.ly/phd-ac ?
Nov 28 02:51:49 <xXBlackChaosXx> when i try to add the pre.is.awesome feed i geta error saying something about it being obselete
Nov 28 02:51:59 <xXBlackChaosXx> i'm trying to get the f15c eagle kernal
Nov 28 02:52:20 <rwhitby> and what exactly does the error message say, including any URLs it provides for you to read?
Nov 28 02:52:58 <xXBlackChaosXx> brb
Nov 28 02:53:52 <rwhitby> moo: is that the lot for today?
Nov 28 02:53:55 <xXBlackChaosXx> let me try to add it again so i can tell you
Nov 28 02:54:34 <rwhitby> you don't need to tell me, I know exactly what it says.  but you do need to read the error message yourself and do what it says ...
Nov 28 02:54:41 <moo> rwhitby: yeah. you're my angel
Nov 28 02:55:57 <rwhitby> xXBlackChaosXx: and you should tell the author of whatever instructions you are following that they need to link instead of copy.
Nov 28 02:56:23 <discord> daniel_n: how do you get free internet on a pre?
Nov 28 02:56:33 <xXBlackChaosXx> it says "The intructions you are following are obselete. See Http://testing.preware.org/"
Nov 28 02:57:25 <xXBlackChaosXx> i read what you wrote in xda rwitby but all it says is "see Http://testing.preware.org/"
Nov 28 02:57:28 <xXBlackChaosXx> what does that mean
Nov 28 02:57:57 <xXBlackChaosXx> that doesn't really tell me much
Nov 28 02:57:59 <rwhitby> "see http://testing.preware.org/" <- you're asking what that means?
Nov 28 02:58:07 <xXBlackChaosXx> lol
Nov 28 02:58:08 <xXBlackChaosXx> no
Nov 28 02:58:40 <xXBlackChaosXx> i know what's that but what do i do? do i open it in the touchpad's browser
Nov 28 02:58:50 <rwhitby> "the instructions you are following are obsolete" <- you're asking what that means?
Nov 28 02:59:00 <xXBlackChaosXx> yes
Nov 28 02:59:29 <rwhitby> which bit is not clear? "the instructions you are following are obsolete" can't be parsed in that many ways ..
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