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Nov 28 02:59:57 <xXBlackChaosXx> the problem is that i don't know what to do after that
Nov 28 03:00:04 <xXBlackChaosXx> it doesn't add the feed
Nov 28 03:00:31 <jcsullins> xXBlackChaosXx: it means you should read the instructions at the link provided ...
Nov 28 03:00:36 <rwhitby> "see http://testing.preware.org/" hasn't given you a clue?
Nov 28 03:00:59 * rwhitby is open to suggestions on how to reword "see http://testing.preware.org/" ...
Nov 28 03:02:00 <xXBlackChaosXx> thanks for the help, I know i'm a noob, no need to make me feel worse,
Nov 28 03:02:15 <moo> that's all :)
Nov 28 03:03:01 <rwhitby> xXBlackChaosXx: it's a serious question - how else could I have worded that error dialog to make you click the link and read the page at the end of it?
Nov 28 03:03:02 <moo> yet i wonder what should i do with the "alternative version for 'after if you install com.treo8.app.callshow'"
Nov 28 03:03:39 <moo> maybe i should ask the author of com.treo8.app.callshow not to replace the file i want to patch
Nov 28 03:04:38 <xXBlackChaosXx> "You must never repost or copy or rewrite these instructions anywhere else, but must always refer others directly to this page using only the URL"
Nov 28 03:04:40 <xXBlackChaosXx> i see
Nov 28 03:05:17 <rwhitby> xXBlackChaosXx: you are experiencing the result of someone not following that rule, and leaving obsolete instructions bit-rotting on the internet
Nov 28 03:05:46 <xXBlackChaosXx> sorry bout that
Nov 28 03:05:57 <rwhitby> If they had simply pointed you to http://testing.preware.org/ to install the testing feeds, you would have no problem.
Nov 28 03:06:14 <cryptk> as new things come out, and better ways to do things are found, the instructions change, that is why we like people to link to our instructions rather than copying and pasting them
Nov 28 03:06:20 <rwhitby> please do go chastise the author of the instructions you are following, so they think twice about it before doing it again
Nov 28 03:06:35 <xXBlackChaosXx> i will
Nov 28 03:06:59 <cryptk> loud screaming... while optional... is encouraged ;)
Nov 28 03:07:19 <xXBlackChaosXx> thanks rwhitby
Nov 28 03:07:38 <rwhitby> In general, people who copy instead of linking are either needing some education, or trying to steal credit.
Nov 28 03:08:01 <xXBlackChaosXx> agree
Nov 28 03:08:15 <rwhitby> determine which they are before deciding whether to yell or not ;)
Nov 28 03:08:23 <xXBlackChaosXx> one more thing
Nov 28 03:08:31 <xXBlackChaosXx> how do i gain access to the linux command line
Nov 28 03:08:44 <rwhitby> xecutah in Preware
Nov 28 03:08:52 <xXBlackChaosXx> thanks
Nov 28 03:09:33 <daniel_n> rwhitby: how's webos 2.1 on pre-?
Nov 28 03:10:17 <rwhitby> I would not recommend it. Not enough memory in a Pre- to run well.
Nov 28 03:12:58 <daniel_n> :/ so much for high hopes on that lol
Nov 28 03:15:45 <daniel_n> rwhitby: do you think i'd be missing some phone calls due to low memory?
Nov 28 03:18:15 <rwhitby> depends what you run on it. background processes are the killers.
Nov 28 03:18:20 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 28 03:47:19 <medialuna> Hey
Nov 28 03:49:09 <moo> i add /bin/nice so it becomes "exec /bin/nice /bin/node --max_old..." in /etc/event.d/node_fork_server. it really help to avoid lagging when background app is busy doing something
Nov 28 03:50:32 <moo> i don't know how to make a patch for it this time. as AUPT tends to create .webosinternals.orig file as backup. but no new file should be created in /etc/event.d/
Nov 28 03:58:41 <xXBlackChaosXx> just installed warthog kernal and now when i restart my touchpad i get linux commands speeding thrue
Nov 28 03:59:09 <rwhitby> xXBlackChaosXx: yes, that's what beta testers should expect to see
Nov 28 03:59:15 <xXBlackChaosXx> oh ok
Nov 28 03:59:25 <rwhitby> otherwise how would you report an early boot problem correctly?
Nov 28 03:59:43 <xXBlackChaosXx> true
Nov 28 04:00:03 <rwhitby> moo: sconix is working on AUPT-5 and 6 which will fix that
Nov 28 04:29:17 <bnceo> wut up peeps
Nov 28 04:37:56 <moo> rwhitby: it seems my patches is changed by your git and it's not applying well. i use a/usr/palm/frameworks/globalization/version/1.0/concatenated.js while you use a/usr/palm/frameworks/globalization/submission/48/concatenated.js
Nov 28 04:38:58 <rwhitby> moo: the patches are applied against a virgin doctor, and regenerated from that
Nov 28 04:40:17 <moo> yeah i know. /usr/palm/frameworks/globalization/version/1.0/ is a symlink to /usr/palm/frameworks/globalization/submission/48. but the version 48 changes from version to version
Nov 28 04:40:37 <moo> that's why i use version/1.0/ instead of submission/48, to reduce patch alternatives
Nov 28 04:42:03 <moo> maybe the patch applies to your doctor files, but not for my veer
Nov 28 04:47:29 <moo> i would suggest everyone use version/1.0 for framework (except mojo/*) instead of something like submission/48/. and skip file submission/48xxx.js (can't reach this file with version/1.0/...)
Nov 28 04:52:42 <rwhitby> moo: the patch processing system regenerates each patch against the virgin doctor using git
Nov 28 04:55:16 <moo> hrm.. how do you do this for veer?
Nov 28 04:55:42 <rwhitby> well, at the start, the released veers were running 2.1.0, just like the pre 2.
Nov 28 04:55:51 <rwhitby> then some of them got 2.1.2
Nov 28 04:56:06 <rwhitby> unfortunately, a separate version was not created in the patch system
Nov 28 04:56:18 <rwhitby> in hindsight, it should have been
Nov 28 05:00:46 <jcsullins> could someone direct me to were the source for "Remove Android" is located?
Nov 28 05:01:15 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/linux/remove-android/postinst
Nov 28 05:02:22 <jcsullins> thx. I'd like to request that it explicitly state that it removes moboot as well please ...
Nov 28 05:03:08 <jcsullins> (and I suppose any other non-webOS boot images)
Nov 28 05:05:13 <rwhitby> jcsullins: "Install this package to remove all files related to Android and moboot (and any other non-webOS boot images) from the /boot partition." ?
Nov 28 05:05:31 <jcsullins> cool
Nov 28 05:05:38 <jcsullins> thx
Nov 28 05:05:57 <rwhitby> done
Nov 28 05:06:16 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/linux/remove-android/Makefile
Nov 28 05:26:00 <veku> anyone having problem playing videos on youtube?!
Nov 28 05:26:11 <veku> or is it just me!
Nov 28 05:27:29 <veku> or the browser..
Nov 28 05:27:41 <veku> or the ghost in the tablet..
Nov 28 06:06:17 <moo> rwhitby: patch for veer is submited. with updated description btw. can u please update the description for original pinyin* patches to be same as the -veer version?
Nov 28 06:06:32 <moo> or should i just post an update for them
Nov 28 06:07:45 <rwhitby> post an update
Nov 28 06:09:01 <veku> moo: I had a quick question about the flash plugin.
Nov 28 06:10:28 <veku> moo: my touchpad browser is syaing I need to upgrade my flash player. any idea why?
Nov 28 06:13:33 <wrea> rwhitby, Once my packages are ready what is the procedure of getting them in the feeds?
Nov 28 06:37:03 <moo> i don't use flash
Nov 28 09:24:36 <mOo> the on join notice is dumb -> :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. NOTICE mOo :[#webos-internals] -
Nov 28 17:28:34 <oilsworkn> oh #webos
Nov 28 17:35:13 <dwc-> no, this is #webos-internals
Nov 28 17:37:31 <oilsworkn> oh yeah
Nov 28 20:12:39 <cryptk> nico_32_vserver, for your question, if you look at the actual source, you will see that the --insecure flag is only used if the source of the packages feed is NOT https
Nov 28 20:13:08 <cryptk>     if (!strncmp(url, "https://", 8)) {
Nov 28 20:13:08 <cryptk>       snprintf(headers, MAXLINLEN,
Nov 28 20:13:08 <cryptk> 	       "--user-agent Preware --insecure -H \"Device-Id: %s\" -H \"Auth-Token: %s\"",
Nov 28 20:13:08 <cryptk> 	       device, token);
Nov 28 20:13:08 <cryptk>     }
Nov 28 20:18:17 <cryptk> nico_32_vserver, does that qualm your worries? that we are only using --insecure when pulling feeds that are already insecure?
Nov 28 20:30:16 <wrea> sconix, seem to have gotten everything in order, still cant test to make sure the modules still load because on my problems with pulse
Nov 28 20:32:49 <nico_32_vserver> cryptk: not really, now i want to add gpg signature to every package
Nov 28 20:32:54 <nico_32_vserver> debian-like
Nov 28 20:33:18 <cryptk> patches welcome
Nov 28 20:33:27 <cryptk> as long as it isn't required for all packages
Nov 28 20:33:39 <cryptk> and assuming that ipk's support it
Nov 28 20:33:59 <cryptk> I think they do
Nov 28 20:36:43 <nico_32_vserver> look like it was done in 2009
Nov 28 20:36:45 <nico_32_vserver> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Homebrew_Apps_for_Stock_Pre_without_Rooting#
Nov 28 20:37:01 <nico_32_vserver> legacy doc is always fun to reread
Nov 28 20:37:56 <cryptk> yep
Nov 28 20:53:28 <Veku> guys, is there anyway to fix flash plugin problem on the touchpad without webdoctoring it?
Nov 28 20:58:11 <panel> hello
Nov 28 21:09:21 <dwc-> what is "flash plugin problem"
Nov 28 21:09:53 <Veku> can't play or see anything flash related on the web.
Nov 28 21:10:37 <Veku> intalled the openvpn patch yesterday, and since the flash plugin stopped working
Nov 28 21:11:16 <dwc-> have you tried removing the patch?
Nov 28 21:11:20 <Veku> everytime I go on youtube, it says I need to upgrade the flash player to view.
Nov 28 21:12:01 <Veku> yes, I removed the patch and 3 other patches that was installed with that.
Nov 28 21:12:13 <Veku> still the same.
Nov 28 21:13:25 <dwc-> what happens if you go to http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html
Nov 28 21:13:27 <Veku> now, I think the only way is to re-install the OS, if there's no other way to fix it.
Nov 28 21:13:43 <Veku> lemme see..
Nov 28 21:13:47 <dwc-> (google search keywords "flash plugin version")
Nov 28 21:14:53 <Veku> ok
Nov 28 21:15:33 <Veku> it says, I have version 10.3.181.34 insrtalled.
Nov 28 21:16:49 <dwc-> then it sounds like it's working
Nov 28 21:17:00 <dwc-> that's a flash movie that reports that
Nov 28 21:18:23 <Veku> no really. I just went on youtube, it says the same thing. plus this other website it says after I install flash player the video will reload.
Nov 28 21:18:38 <Veku> I think it's the web browser.
Nov 28 21:19:21 <Veku> is there anyway just to uninstall and reinstall the browser?
Nov 28 21:20:24 <Veku> someting got messed up in the web browser when those patches were installed..
Nov 28 21:26:44 <Veku> so if I reinstall the WebOS, will the save/restore keep all the saved bookmarks on the browers?
Nov 28 21:31:10 <cryptk> Veku, I think it does... look in the save/restore app and see if there is a toggle there for the browser
Nov 28 21:31:17 <cryptk> and make sure you actually run a backup
Nov 28 21:31:36 <cryptk> and then copy the backup off the device just to be safe before you doctor it
Nov 28 21:33:04 <Veku> first time I did reinstalled the OS, the backup system didn't restore the bookmarks and favs.
Nov 28 21:33:21 <cryptk> did you tell it to do a restore?
Nov 28 21:33:28 <Veku> yes
Nov 28 21:33:29 <cryptk> and I'm not certain if it does bookmarks or not
Nov 28 21:34:13 <Veku> yeah..me too. is there a way to transfer them somehow to my pc via usa or something?
Nov 28 21:34:23 <Veku> *usb
Nov 28 21:34:54 <rwhitby> Use Save/Restore, as recommended
Nov 28 21:35:27 <Veku> ok
Nov 28 21:53:18 <RichT23> hoot
Nov 28 21:56:05 <dwc-> I thought bookmarks are part of the palm profile
Nov 28 23:18:01 <astruasdh> please, my veer has a very sensitive proximity sensor. So, when I am in a call, my ear does lots of clicks, and I remove contacts, link contacts, etc. Is there a work-around for this?
Nov 28 23:21:37 <ka6sox> my pre3 is same way.
Nov 28 23:21:46 <ka6sox> dunno the answer.
Nov 28 23:21:47 <ka6sox> T
Nov 28 23:25:53 <astruasdh> I am thinking in write a patch to shut down the screen while in a call. To turn on, only by clicking the power button on when the call end. what do u think?
Nov 28 23:30:20 <Fuddus> dwc- Done reinstalling. This time it did restore the bookmarks. But now there's no Hp app catalog! what do I do?!
Nov 28 23:33:01 <dwc-> what do you mean, no catalog
Nov 28 23:36:45 <Fuddus> well, actually I'm also missing the Bing Maps. Both of them has a big dot as an icon and exclaimation icon on top of them.
Nov 28 23:37:13 <Fuddus> I restarted the tp few times, still the same.
Nov 28 23:37:40 <dwc-> how far off is your clock
Nov 28 23:38:22 <Fuddus> 1 hour off
Nov 28 23:38:30 <dwc-> fix it and see if that helps
Nov 28 23:38:35 <Fuddus> ok
Nov 28 23:46:49 <Fuddus> Now both of their icons have changed to exclaimation icon.
Nov 28 23:47:15 <dwc-> now try to update them
Nov 28 23:49:08 <Fuddus> when I click to update, the pre version of the Hp app catalog opens up, but blank.
Nov 28 23:50:50 <dwc-> pre version?
Nov 28 23:52:13 <Fuddus> you know, it's not full screen app for Touchpads. it's like the phone in the middle.
Nov 28 23:53:47 <Fuddus> it oonly says Hp app catalog, and nothing else.
Nov 28 23:54:05 <dwc-> that's weird. I've never seen that
Nov 28 23:54:19 <Fuddus> me either.
Nov 28 23:54:34 <dwc-> I thought even 3.0.2 shipped with the enyo-based catalog app
Nov 28 23:55:01 <Tibfib> it does
Nov 28 23:57:13 <Fuddus> So, then I reinstall the OS again?
Nov 29 00:35:27 <PatrickC> trying to set up SSh on my pre3
Nov 29 00:35:34 <PatrickC> following http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH#Windows_PC_.28PuTTY.29
Nov 29 00:36:23 <PatrickC> im at the "Install keys on your device" section, but it states that the filename is "id_rsa.pub" when its "id_rsa_
Nov 29 00:36:43 <PatrickC> the "id_rsa.pub" file was renamed to "authorized_keys"
Nov 29 00:56:51 <rwhitby> PatrickC: you should not be copying private keys to your device, only public keys
Nov 29 00:57:11 <rwhitby> (assuming your device is the target of the ssh connection, not the source)
Nov 29 00:58:12 <PatrickC> rwhitby, i took the private keys off the device, and made the public keys the authorized_keys file like the wiki said
Nov 29 00:58:47 <PatrickC> then the wiki says to take the public keys file from the USB drive (which it never says to put on there in the first place) and cat it to /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
Nov 29 01:00:52 <PatrickC> rwhitby, and i generated the keys on the device like the wiki says to do
Nov 29 01:01:50 <rwhitby> generate keys on a secure host, not connected to the internet, not a phone.
Nov 29 01:02:14 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 29 01:02:23 <PatrickC> cya
Nov 29 01:46:31 <dwc-> I have private keys on my phone. after all, it's either that or type passwords on the phone
Nov 29 01:46:46 <PatrickC> well, i just followed the wiki
Nov 29 01:46:48 <PatrickC> and did what is said
Nov 29 01:47:21 <PatrickC> but, now im not sure what to do, as the wiki says to do something that isnt possible with what its said before
Nov 29 01:47:30 <dwc-> that doesn't say anything about copying your private key onto the device
Nov 29 01:48:18 <PatrickC> i generated the keys on the device. i renamed the public keys to authorized_keys
Nov 29 01:48:37 <PatrickC> and now its telling me to cat the public keys from the USB drive (but i didnt copy them there)
Nov 29 01:48:48 <PatrickC> i copied the private keys to the usb drive
Nov 29 01:48:54 <dwc-> you can skip that part
Nov 29 01:49:09 <PatrickC> ah ok..
Nov 29 01:49:13 <PatrickC> i was wondering lol
Nov 29 01:49:21 <dwc-> if you generate them on another system
Nov 29 01:49:25 <PatrickC> skip the chmod too?
Nov 29 01:49:27 <dwc-> you have to copy public -> device
Nov 29 01:49:39 <PatrickC> gotcha
Nov 29 01:49:40 <dwc-> if you generate them on the device, you have to copy private -> other host
Nov 29 01:49:56 <dwc-> it's a key -pair- so the parts are in place already
Nov 29 01:50:07 <dwc-> on the system you generated them on
Nov 29 01:52:11 <dwc-> actually...
Nov 29 02:00:03 <PatrickC> hmm.. PuTTY doesnt seem to like this...
Nov 29 02:01:12 <dwc-> wiki page updated
Nov 29 02:01:13 <dwc-> http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Application:OpenSSH&diff=20271&oldid=19123
Nov 29 02:03:19 <dwc-> that should fix your problem, even if it doesn't do exactly what I want it to
Nov 29 02:05:49 <PatrickC> dwc-, thanks. ill try that later
Nov 29 02:05:55 <PatrickC> right now, going to watch a movie :)
Nov 29 02:05:57 <PatrickC> cya all later
Nov 29 02:28:59 <moo> my veer is messed up by WQI, sadly
Nov 29 02:43:42 <ChaoWang> test
Nov 29 02:43:49 <rwhitby> ~test
Nov 29 02:43:50 <infobot> If you say tset I will not be happy
Nov 29 02:49:20 * dwc- has tset in his shell . rc files
Nov 29 02:50:07 <wrea> infobot is going be pissed now
Nov 29 02:59:45 <moo> rwhitby: can you change the patch system to use version/1.0 instead? 2.1.0 users complain that the pach cannot be applied even i do have 2.1.0 doctor file
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