**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 01 02:59:58 2011
Dec 01 04:02:25 <wrea> sconix, on a roll with home control :D
Dec 01 04:03:45 <sconix> wrea: jeah, have to release when I get something new ready, you never know when I get busy with other stuff so don't want to leave new code sitting around and getting dusty :)
Dec 01 04:04:27 <wrea> I hear you
Dec 01 04:04:56 <wrea> sconix, so out version of ustart doesnt really deal with daemons well
Dec 01 04:05:17 <sconix> wrea: how come?
Dec 01 04:05:34 <sconix> does it need to do other than start the daemon... ?
Dec 01 04:06:02 <wrea> you cant stop a daemon since it doesnt deal with the daemon's pid at all
Dec 01 04:06:26 <sconix> but you should be able to add it manually into the upstart file right?
Dec 01 04:06:56 <wrea> upstart ignores pid file $file in our version
Dec 01 04:07:14 <sconix> but I am pretty sure there is a way to do it
Dec 01 04:08:11 <wrea> adding 'daemon' just makes it look like its not running at all do you can kill the process and start it again
Dec 01 04:08:51 <wrea> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Stanzas?highlight=%28%28CategoryDoc%29%29#daemon
Dec 01 04:10:30 <sconix> but I think you don't need to use the daemon flag
Dec 01 04:10:40 <sconix> anyway I need to get some sleep now, its 06:00 here :|
Dec 01 04:11:55 <sconix> but almost all daemons have the -f i.e. foreground option so you can make the upstart script without daemonizing the daemon, I think... well now good night, talk to you later
Dec 01 04:12:44 <wrea> sconix, night
Dec 01 05:31:40 <mscoolnerd> just curious, has anyone tried/had any success running windows apps under wine on the touchpad?
Dec 01 05:32:27 <dtzWill> mscoolnerd: wine is not an emulator; afaik there are no ARM-based windows apps, only x86
Dec 01 05:32:50 <dtzWill> however, you *can* run various emulators, they're just dog-slow :)
Dec 01 05:34:00 <mscoolnerd> hahaha ok, thats i thought of that but i was hoping i might have been wrong... well maybe when they start making all these Windows 8 ARM apps, maybe those apps could be run with it... hm..... :P
Dec 01 06:03:46 <Jack87> and this is why we stick to webos http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/30/smartphone_spying_app/
Dec 01 06:05:23 <Jack87> rwhitby, did you get a look at that ^?
Dec 01 06:06:02 <rwhitby> Jack87: don't get too cocky. CarrierIQ says HP is a client
Dec 01 06:06:15 <Jack87> haha
Dec 01 06:06:17 <rwhitby> and they show webOS devices in their marketing video
Dec 01 06:06:32 <Jack87> so we might be getting spyed on to
Dec 01 06:06:40 <Jack87> or will be if new devices come out
Dec 01 06:12:20 <Jack87> rwhitby, are you digging into webos to see if something similar is embeded into webos?
Dec 01 06:13:34 <rwhitby> already have. can't see anything.
Dec 01 06:13:58 <Jack87> did you check all flavors of webos or just the one you use?
Dec 01 06:18:00 <rwhitby> I checked pre3 and touchpad
Dec 01 06:18:43 * Jack87 wonders if US flavors such as sprint might have this stuff
Dec 01 06:26:24 <wrea> well, avahi and dbus are good to go now
Dec 01 06:38:25 <chpwn> Jack87: it does seem very correlated with US carriers
Dec 01 06:38:59 <Jack87> chpwn, yeah I think so.
Dec 01 07:24:13 <dtzWill> hi all! :)
Dec 01 07:24:25 <wrea> hey
Dec 01 07:24:44 <dtzWill> wrea: hi! :) how goes it? up to anything interesting lately?
Dec 01 07:25:28 <wrea> good, not anything interesting, working on avahi and pulseaudio modules
Dec 01 07:25:57 <dtzWill> hmm, what are you hoping those'll help you accomplish?
Dec 01 07:26:46 <Jack87> dtzWill, hello!
Dec 01 07:26:52 <dtzWill> Jack87: oh hai :D
Dec 01 07:26:57 <Jack87> dtzWill, hope you had a good thanks giving
Dec 01 07:27:13 <dtzWill> i did, although spent all of my 'break' working
Dec 01 07:27:17 <wrea> Going to have them working with pulseaudio settings. It'll allow rtp and raop
Dec 01 07:27:18 <dtzWill> sokay; mommy wow, etc
Dec 01 07:27:36 <Jack87> ahh work
Dec 01 07:27:40 <dtzWill> wrea: forgive me, what are those? technologies to forward audio to other hosts?
Dec 01 07:27:47 <wrea> also allow zeroconf discovery of pulse instances on the network
Dec 01 07:27:58 <dtzWill> wrea: wonderful
Dec 01 07:28:09 <wrea> Raop is whats used in Airplay devices
Dec 01 07:28:31 <wrea> So if you have airport express you can stream from your webos device to them
Dec 01 07:29:01 <dtzWill> wrea: oh wow! i happen to own one of those :D
Dec 01 07:29:21 <dtzWill> never once used it for that--but that's pretty dang cool
Dec 01 07:30:00 <wrea> I want to own one just for that reason
Dec 01 07:30:20 <dtzWill> i inherited one from some people who honestly have more money than sense :P
Dec 01 07:30:43 <dtzWill> not that i'm not thankful, but... well yeah :)
Dec 01 07:30:54 <Jack87> dtzWill, I strive to be that kind of person
Dec 01 07:31:02 <wrea> lol
Dec 01 07:31:15 <Jack87> Jack87, I am failing at the having money part though pretty good at lack of sense
Dec 01 07:31:18 <dtzWill> anyway, that's pretty sweet, wrea.  i know you had some build errors before.. all is well now?
Dec 01 07:31:21 <Jack87> haha
Dec 01 07:31:27 <wrea> I have sense, just need the money
Dec 01 07:31:29 <dtzWill> Jack87: haha
Dec 01 07:31:49 <wrea> dtzWill, built and ready to go now :)
Dec 01 07:31:52 <dtzWill> cya miss cool nerd
Dec 01 07:32:11 <Jack87> dtzWill, i won an IPad
Dec 01 07:32:23 <wrea> Working on modules for 2.0.x and 2.1.x devices...but running into libtool crap
Dec 01 07:32:45 <dtzWill> Jack87: oh nice! i have a friend who did also, and he's the last person i'd peg for a tablet guy :D but he loves it
Dec 01 07:32:57 <dtzWill> i mean he got it for *free*, hard to argue :P
Dec 01 07:33:02 <Jack87> haha ya most love ipads
Dec 01 07:33:05 <dtzWill> wrea: >.< typical ?:(
Dec 01 07:33:16 <dtzWill> Jack87: never spent *significant* time with an ipad
Dec 01 07:33:20 <Jack87> dtzWill, mine will most likely be going on classifieds soon
Dec 01 07:33:46 <Jack87> i normally cant wait before I tear open my gadgets.. but this thing is still sealed
Dec 01 07:34:01 <wrea> I always get to have all the fun errors
Dec 01 07:34:07 <dtzWill> Jack87: yeah not being the kinda person that already owned one (and what that might say) he was torn about ebay-ing it vs keeping it
Dec 01 07:35:37 <Jack87> apparently you cant jailbreak (gain root access) to ipad2 plus it requires iTunes so with those it doesnt seem to have anything that i "need"
Dec 01 07:35:50 <dtzWill> d'oh
Dec 01 07:36:18 <dtzWill> surprised no one's rev engr's its connection protocol/storage format and made it into a happy open-source library yet ;)
Dec 01 07:36:32 <dtzWill> libgpod, etc
Dec 01 07:36:33 <Jack87> as much as the nerd in me wants to tinker with it... logically i cant justify not selling it for 500 during this holiday season and putting it towards spring tuition
Dec 01 07:36:47 <dtzWill> Jack87: smart move
Dec 01 07:36:56 <dtzWill> Jack87: j/w, how'd you win it?
Dec 01 07:37:01 <Jack87> besides new device will release in a few months
Dec 01 07:37:41 <Jack87> dtzWill,  http://www.zagg.com/giveaway/ipad-an-hour/index.php
Dec 01 07:37:44 <Jack87> I am 1am
Dec 01 07:38:19 <Jack87> Zagg is a local company to ironically. but they said it be easier for them to send it rather than have me pick it up haha its ok it came over night
Dec 01 07:38:37 <dtzWill> wow, 'grats!
Dec 01 07:39:17 <Jack87> hehe today people from the facebook touchpad launchline finally recived their 16gig touchpads... sad!
Dec 01 07:39:51 <dtzWill> oh wow
Dec 01 07:41:04 <Jack87> I am still staying optimistic about webos. but i still get sad when i really think about it
Dec 01 07:42:37 <dtzWill> we'll find out in 2 weeks, apparently
Dec 01 07:42:45 <rwhitby> believe that when I see it
Dec 01 07:42:54 <wrea> yeah
Dec 01 07:43:27 <Jack87> haha ya
Dec 01 07:43:34 <dwc-> we'll find out *something* in 2 weeks
Dec 01 07:43:46 <hewball> would be sad to see them no longer support it, as android sux, and ive had enough of iOS
Dec 01 07:43:46 <rwhitby> dwc-: that's what people said last time
Dec 01 07:43:48 <dwc-> we might be finding out that we have to wait longer, but ...
Dec 01 07:44:14 <Jack87> dwc-, find out when our next waiting period is for no news
Dec 01 07:44:21 <dtzWill> apple kind boned me pretty hard
Dec 01 07:44:22 <dwc-> possibly not htat
Dec 01 07:44:33 <rwhitby> there will be no news of any substance. HP will continue to support it's existing customers and honour all warranties. The webOS team will continue to create updates for existing devices.
Dec 01 07:44:43 <dwc-> if 2 weeks comes and goes, all you'll know is you can continue waiting
Dec 01 07:44:50 <dwc-> (aka touchpads)
Dec 01 07:44:51 <dtzWill> but recently have been in contact with their compiler team and they're pretty awesome guys so far... we'll see
Dec 01 07:44:53 <Jack87> dtzWill, how
Dec 01 07:45:10 <dtzWill> Jack87: i think i'm actually out of NDA on that now
Dec 01 07:45:17 <dtzWill> hmm
Dec 01 07:45:48 <dtzWill> rwhitby: heh, i can't decide if that's good or bad.  thoughts?
Dec 01 07:45:53 <dtzWill> Jack87: pm
Dec 01 07:45:54 <hewball> rwhitby: the pre3 form factor and size works well, they need to make more
Dec 01 07:46:07 <rwhitby> hewball: they need to put 1G memory in it first
Dec 01 07:46:19 <hewball> that would be better
Dec 01 07:46:28 <rwhitby> that would be necessary
Dec 01 07:46:29 <hewball> but i like the form factor of it too
Dec 01 07:46:51 <rwhitby> everything else is perfect. I cannot understand why they have it less RAM and Flash than the Pre 2
Dec 01 07:46:59 <rwhitby> s/have/gave/
Dec 01 07:46:59 <infobot> rwhitby meant: everything else is perfect. I cannot understand why they gave it less RAM and Flash than the Pre 2
Dec 01 07:47:19 <dwc-> to make people buy the silly AT&T one, of course
Dec 01 07:47:27 <rwhitby> it still has less RAM
Dec 01 07:48:31 * rwhitby just turned his ubuntu-desktop install into a ubuntu-server install, and upgraded from natty to oneiric, all without rebooting. should I reboot now or not?
Dec 01 07:49:27 <hewball> rwhitby: thats usually pretty safe......
Dec 01 07:50:09 <rwhitby> yeah, but I'd have to walk up to the server room to fix it if it doesn't boot ..
Dec 01 07:51:12 <hewball> rwhitby: bad idea reboot then
Dec 01 07:51:41 <rwhitby> but I want to try out Linux 3.0 and see if it's better than Windows 3.0
Dec 01 07:52:24 <dwc-> it's sure to compete well with amigaos 3.0
Dec 01 07:52:58 <wrea> Im on ubuntu, i was lazy and I hate myself for it :P
Dec 01 07:56:24 <hewball> rwhitby: so have you found any reference to carrierIQ in webos?
Dec 01 07:56:28 <rwhitby> no
Dec 01 07:56:56 <rwhitby> so either it's hidden in the qualcomm modem firmware, or it's not there
Dec 01 07:57:38 <dtzWill> .:01:48:22:. <+rwhitby> but I want to try out Linux 3.0 and see if it's better than Windows 3.0
Dec 01 07:57:40 <dtzWill> rofl
Dec 01 08:01:07 <wrea> im waiting for Linux 3.1 for workgroups
Dec 01 08:01:19 <dtzWill> rofl
Dec 01 08:01:33 <dtzWill> wrea: can i quote you on that
Dec 01 08:01:54 <wrea> go for it
Dec 01 08:03:12 <dtzWill> hehe k ty
Dec 01 08:04:30 <wrea> sweet Iron Chef is on
Dec 01 08:05:17 <dtzWill> haha, enjoy :D
Dec 01 08:06:06 <Jack87> umm.. food
Dec 01 08:06:10 <Jack87> i think i forgot to eat today
Dec 01 08:06:24 <dtzWill> oh no! fix that!
Dec 01 08:06:26 <dtzWill> ps i'm hungry
Dec 01 08:06:39 <dtzWill> think i'm gonna play some games and crash, 'night all
Dec 01 08:06:39 <dtzWill> :D
Dec 01 08:06:39 <wrea> I love how on some episodes the chairman is dubbed and others he isnt or that in the early episodes a british guy did the dubbing for him
Dec 01 08:06:44 <wrea> night
Dec 01 08:07:12 <dtzWill> 'night :D
Dec 01 08:07:36 * Jack87 goes to find food in the fridge
Dec 01 08:07:43 <wrea> wish I knew libtool-foo
Dec 01 08:08:41 <Jack87> we are missing a rwhitby.... is the world going to end?
Dec 01 08:08:53 <wrea> Yes, yes it is
Dec 01 08:11:13 <Jack87> wrea, wow he has not returned i think its the end as we know it
Dec 01 08:15:37 <wrea> wb
Dec 01 08:15:48 <Jack87> wrea, we are saved
Dec 01 08:15:56 <rwhitby> decided to reboot :)
Dec 01 08:16:00 <Jack87> rwhitby, i was looking for a y2k kit without you
Dec 01 08:16:11 <hewball> rwhitby: so it booted...
Dec 01 08:16:35 <rwhitby> yep
Dec 01 08:18:12 <technikfreak> does someone know when icq will come
Dec 01 09:16:51 <dwc-> technically, that was 3.11 for workgroups ;)
Dec 01 09:28:13 <RichT23> i saw some amasing batch scripts for 3.11
Dec 01 09:28:58 <dwc-> those were the days
Dec 01 09:29:05 <Freman> I had some of those
Dec 01 09:29:13 <dwc-> we had our ipx and our netbeui
Dec 01 09:29:19 <dwc-> none of that tcp/ip bullshit
Dec 01 09:29:36 <Freman> and the batches for unzipping games into limited disk space from floppies, then cleaning up when you were done, moving the save files out
Dec 01 09:29:39 <Freman> pfft, you had network
Dec 01 09:29:55 <Freman> we had serial laplink.... and later... we discovered the speed of parallel laplink!
Dec 01 09:30:03 <RichT23> hehe
Dec 01 09:30:49 <RichT23> Oh the joy of base v's extended v's expanded
Dec 01 09:31:49 <dwc-> yea, boot floppy that connected to the netware server, reinstalling windows was blazing fast
Dec 01 09:31:51 <RichT23> this game dosent use a mouse so i can save memory by not loading the mouse driver
Dec 01 09:32:07 <dwc-> compared to those 5 floppy disks
Dec 01 09:32:14 <dwc-> I had boot configs like that
Dec 01 09:32:26 <dwc-> cd/nocd network/nonetwork
Dec 01 09:32:41 <dwc-> dos=high,umb ... best thing ever
Dec 01 09:32:53 <RichT23> hehe
Dec 01 09:33:00 <RichT23> and emm386!
Dec 01 09:35:07 <dwc-> the bad part was optimizing the load order of all the device drivers to save like 5k of conventional
Dec 01 09:36:01 <Freman> question
Dec 01 09:36:07 <Freman> how old do you feel right now?
Dec 01 09:36:07 <RichT23> when you only had 1Mb of ram it made a big diffrence
Dec 01 09:36:41 <RichT23> Freman: Not that old, my first PC was a 386, not and 8086
Dec 01 09:36:55 <dwc-> well, I didn't have to re-order punch cards after dropping them, so not *too* old
Dec 01 09:37:10 <RichT23> an AMD 386 SX 25
Dec 01 09:37:43 <RichT23> with 1Mb ram and a 40Mb HDD
Dec 01 09:37:59 <dwc-> family didn't get one for awhile, so I didn't start until the 80286
Dec 01 09:38:06 <Freman> I feel older....
Dec 01 09:38:11 <Freman> stop it :(
Dec 01 09:38:40 <Freman> optocouplers, amstrad... oooh the memories
Dec 01 09:39:08 <RichT23> My colage did have A DEC
Dec 01 09:39:24 <Freman> optocouplers? wrong word I think - one should not alcohol on an empty stomach
Dec 01 09:40:00 <RichT23> I learned to program in Pascal on the DEC's
Dec 01 09:41:35 <ka6sox> which DEC?
Dec 01 09:42:09 <dwc-> I learned to use vi on some HP terminal with a local tape drive, remoted into an HP @2400baud
Dec 01 09:42:29 <dwc-> I remember it was more fun though to move the cursor around the screen with its 5 cursor keys
Dec 01 09:43:33 <dwc-> (daddy used to work for HP)
Dec 01 09:44:58 <RichT23> I have no idea, it was some time ago
Dec 01 09:45:13 <Freman> aunt worked inside CSIRO's 14k computer
Dec 01 09:45:48 <RichT23> I remember two servers around the size of 2 E450's
Dec 01 09:46:02 <RichT23> and lots of dumb terminals pluged in tothem
Dec 01 09:49:28 <RichT23> They were green screen's and had the KB plugged into them
Dec 01 10:11:19 <nico_32_vserver> speaking of linux 3.1 for workgroup
Dec 01 10:11:39 <nico_32_vserver> there was a patch that modified the boot logo
Dec 01 10:12:06 <nico_32_vserver> it went into untested code path
Dec 01 10:12:42 <nico_32_vserver> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/9/10/24
Dec 01 11:02:37 <avecaesar> hello
Dec 01 11:02:45 <nico_32_vserver> hi avecaesar
Dec 01 11:02:56 <avecaesar> hi nico
Dec 01 11:03:10 <avecaesar> sorry can you help me with my touchpad
Dec 01 11:04:24 <nico_32_vserver> i can try
Dec 01 11:05:54 <avecaesar> ive my contacts in outlook 2003 and i want all of them in my touchpad i used companionlink but i can not edit my contacts on my touchpad it shows only the names and the telephone numbers without adress ill think i have to link them with a program in my TP
Dec 01 11:06:28 * nico_32_vserver uses an Exchange server for this
Dec 01 11:06:49 <avecaesar> i too
Dec 01 11:08:00 <avecaesar> nico du sprichst deutsch aus frankfurt ok
Dec 01 11:08:45 <avecaesar> sind hiuer nur bots? only bots available?
Dec 01 11:09:02 <nico_32_vserver> i only speak french and english
Dec 01 11:09:28 <avecaesar> je parle francais tres bien english o francais?
Dec 01 11:09:43 <nico_32_vserver> we are on an english channel
Dec 01 11:10:22 <avecaesar> ive no problems with that ok have you a solution for the contacs of outlook and TP?
Dec 01 11:10:44 <nico_32_vserver> i doesn't have my touchpad here
Dec 01 11:11:05 <avecaesar> ill think in my TP it only use Skype and for that it shows only the telephone numbers
Dec 01 11:11:17 <nico_32_vserver> but i seem to remember that my touchpad imported my exchange contact list
Dec 01 11:11:32 <nico_32_vserver> it was a long time ago
Dec 01 11:11:43 <nico_32_vserver> very old palm profile
Dec 01 11:12:09 <avecaesar> in the protocol it shows me that it importaded 149 contacts of 492
Dec 01 11:13:01 <avecaesar> years ago i used the hotsync of palm with my old palm and it works good but the webos mades problems
Dec 01 11:13:42 <Freman> obviously it thinks you only care about 149 of those contacts
Dec 01 11:13:56 <Freman> I recently purged  a similar ratio of idiots
Dec 01 11:14:41 <avecaesar> data source: outlook
Dec 01 11:14:50 <Freman> oh. there's your problem
Dec 01 11:15:03 <Freman> outlook <> lookout
Dec 01 11:15:15 <avecaesar> [11/27/2011 13:34:21] [information] [Oct 14 2010] [22:48:04] num total records:        429
Dec 01 11:16:13 <avecaesar> but when u used a windows system then outlook
Dec 01 11:17:54 <avecaesar> i used the data transfere of HP and the companionlink is there another software available? which wokrs
Dec 01 11:18:45 <avecaesar> whithout the google transfere i dislike google
Dec 01 11:19:18 <avecaesar> thx ciao
Dec 01 14:09:33 <mOo> rwhitby: do you know why it's still using the .rej file for ipk? the search-in-pinyin one
Dec 01 18:59:15 <qtwerp> Anyone available for a PDK on Linux Q?
Dec 01 19:11:11 <qtwerp> nevermind
Dec 02 00:11:08 <nightburn> could someone please point me to some directions for reclaiming my ubuntu partition on my touchpad?
Dec 02 00:14:23 <dwc-> there's a remove android app
Dec 02 00:14:31 <dwc-> oops, sorry, wrong request
Dec 02 00:17:14 <dwc-> how did you add it? metadoctor?
Dec 02 00:17:27 <dwc-> there's a blurb on the wiki page that says how to remove
Dec 02 00:19:05 <nightburn> yea i meta-doctored
Dec 02 00:19:24 <nightburn> im trying to find that blurb. any links totally appreciated
Dec 02 00:19:46 <nightburn> it's not always straight forward to fight things in a wiki =/
Dec 02 00:19:50 <nightburn> err find
Dec 02 00:20:28 <nightburn> ahh found How to remove the ext3fs partition "
Dec 02 00:21:11 <nightburn> hmm
Dec 02 00:24:24 <dwc-> yea that one
Dec 02 00:26:26 <nightburn> giving it a go now
Dec 02 00:26:45 <nightburn> anyone actually done this before here?
Dec 02 00:43:44 <nightburn> great im getting errors when i try to resize it
Dec 02 00:46:41 <nightburn> well it doing something now. .certainly taking a long time
Dec 02 01:30:29 <nightburn> just doctored my tp. i hope i did everything right to remove the ext3fs partition and palm's servers better let me login
Dec 02 02:58:15 <ka6sox> ~ugt
Dec 02 02:58:15 <infobot> from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
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