**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 04 02:59:58 2011 Dec 04 04:15:48 Do not use your browser's back button and try to submit again, it will not let you. Instead, click here and refresh that page http://patches.webos-internals.org/webospatchupload.php <- this link is dead Dec 04 06:13:12 In other news, 4 Veers have been bricked in the last two days in this thread: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-veer/305499-webos-2-2-3-already-there-veer.html Dec 04 06:29:05 rwhitby, dang Dec 04 06:29:31 I did warn them ... Dec 04 06:30:04 I personally would not have posted instructions like that on PreCentral Dec 04 06:31:05 rwhitby, yeah, but people tend to ignore warnings no matter how valid the warning is Dec 04 06:31:26 yeah, that's we never post stuff that can brick things Dec 04 06:31:34 s/we/why we/ Dec 04 06:31:35 rwhitby meant: yeah, that's why we never post stuff that can brick things Dec 04 06:31:57 i hear that Dec 04 06:36:30 ya. it's not worth it unless it's been FULLY tested Dec 04 06:41:18 I avoid anything that has to do with A6 Dec 04 06:42:42 I wonder when the avahi guys will take a look and actually fix my issues Dec 04 08:01:42 Anyone with a 2.0 device around? Looking to see where the pulse libraries reside. Wanting to make sure its /usr/lib/pulse-0.9 or not like it is for 2.1.2 Dec 04 08:38:54 Hey, got a few questions Dec 04 08:39:21 Hay is for Horses Dec 04 08:39:29 Sup mang :D Dec 04 08:39:36 yo Dec 04 08:39:36 I want my actual name back, it keeps setting me to guest Dec 04 08:40:27 doesn't like it or are you using the web interface? Dec 04 08:54:45 And I'm back, that was fun Dec 04 08:54:53 ka6sox, you there still? Dec 04 09:06:02 Freaking finally, fighting someone for a nick register Dec 04 09:06:03 haha Dec 04 09:06:12 This is better anyway, its my forums name Dec 04 09:08:17 Okay so long story short, I wanted to know where I would have to look in an app's files to see what external files it calls Dec 04 09:08:31 would it be in the various JS files? Dec 04 09:10:07 Also, both the Pixi and the Veer are ARMV6 right? Dec 04 09:10:18 no Dec 04 09:10:28 pixi yes, Veer no Dec 04 09:10:33 veer is armv7? Dec 04 09:10:48 iirc Dec 04 09:11:00 Hm okay. Never mind what I'm doing for the one thing :P Dec 04 09:11:18 the other thing may yet work, I'm just trying to collect the various parts of the Veer VPN app to get it working on my pixi Dec 04 09:12:40 well...GL....if it uses a C-Service I kinda doubt it. Dec 04 09:12:52 and I doubt its node.js Dec 04 09:13:01 I honestly have no idea, the app loads great Dec 04 09:13:12 i'm just missing its VPN "agents" files Dec 04 09:13:28 so im running around trying to see what external files it calls from the com.palm.app.vpn folder Dec 04 09:20:33 I think I've got it Dec 04 09:20:44 now to throw Pixi under the bus Dec 04 09:22:23 on a side note, the X3380 is a slick processor :D Dec 04 09:34:06 naw...its still a nice phone Dec 04 09:34:13 yeah, the veer is definitely armv7 Dec 04 09:34:20 sorry....I got to watching a parody on youtube... Dec 04 09:34:31 had to watch it 5X to find all the gags. Dec 04 09:34:47 haha, nice :D Dec 04 09:34:48 what was it? Dec 04 09:35:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGAmw9rxDK8 Dec 04 09:35:20 its acting up something awful right now :\ Dec 04 09:35:23 cant even install anything Dec 04 09:35:33 off a freaking fresh doctor >_< Dec 04 09:35:37 cant even get AIM to work Dec 04 09:35:42 7 months of this garbage Dec 04 09:36:15 well, i cant for the life of me figure out why i cant novaterm into my veer Dec 04 09:36:34 wrea, were you able to before? Dec 04 09:37:29 im pretty sure i did after i doctored it over a month ago Dec 04 09:38:03 its in dev mode, so its not that Dec 04 09:39:29 wrea, the other night I had to re-install novacomd after things had been working for a while. Dec 04 09:40:15 already done that too, even though i can novaterm into my tp just fine Dec 04 09:40:42 its a veer right? Dec 04 09:41:02 the pins are sucky on the cable...be sure they aren't bent. Dec 04 09:41:36 I have two cables, neither worked Dec 04 09:41:48 kk Dec 04 09:41:52 pins seem fine too Dec 04 09:45:44 can app names not have special characters in them? Dec 04 09:46:38 anyone have a 2.0.x device? Dec 04 09:46:52 yeah, pre2 Dec 04 09:48:33 Saijin_Naib, can you check to see if /usr/lib/pulse-0.9 is there on it? Dec 04 09:48:52 oh mang, its off/in a box Dec 04 09:48:59 i have a veer doctor image Dec 04 09:49:01 let me look Dec 04 09:49:44 yessir Dec 04 09:49:47 it has lots of files under it Dec 04 09:49:52 well, i have a veer. So I know they use pulse-0.9 for 2.1.x Dec 04 09:50:20 if i could use the pre2 without it booting me off my Pixi I would Dec 04 09:50:29 np Dec 04 09:50:50 let me get a pre2 image and look Dec 04 09:51:11 what version pre2 do you want? Dec 04 09:51:24 I just want to check to see if they were consistent in using pulse-0.9 Dec 04 09:51:30 2.0.0, 2.0.1, 2.1.0? Dec 04 09:51:33 i'll go 2.1.0 Dec 04 09:51:37 Doesnt matter, anything 2.0.x Dec 04 09:51:46 2.0.1 Dec 04 09:51:57 moment, slow DL Dec 04 09:52:03 only 3.8MB :C Dec 04 09:52:22 i really hope I can get this VPN app to work Dec 04 09:52:32 be slick to vpn on a 1.4.5 pixi Dec 04 09:53:52 extracting Dec 04 09:55:25 pulse-0.9 there as well Dec 04 09:56:30 cool Dec 04 09:56:33 thanks Dec 04 09:56:45 np mang Dec 04 09:56:52 webos tweaks are fun Dec 04 09:56:59 I think I'm going to make my first patch soon :D Dec 04 09:57:15 both of my pulse packages are all done then Dec 04 09:57:28 what're you making? Dec 04 09:57:50 packaging some extra modules that arent shipped with webos Dec 04 09:58:00 ooooOOoo Dec 04 09:58:01 like what? Dec 04 09:58:03 more codecs? Dec 04 09:58:23 no, that'd be gstreamer for codec Dec 04 09:58:45 for the tp and pre3, rtp, raop (airplay) and zeroconf Dec 04 09:58:51 ah, speaking of, the *.so things are compiled per the CPU architecture right? Dec 04 09:59:02 right Dec 04 09:59:06 damn :C Dec 04 09:59:32 i want more codecs for webos Dec 04 09:59:37 gstreamer under linux has a ton of codecs Dec 04 10:00:06 its on my todo list Dec 04 10:00:16 no wai, really? Dec 04 10:00:26 would Pixi get love as well or only the newer kits? Dec 04 10:00:31 I'll at least be taking a look Dec 04 10:00:37 mm, sounds good Dec 04 10:00:44 I know someone made a gsm-wav codec but... Dec 04 10:01:37 I need to get the packages I have ready into the feed before I take anything else on Dec 04 10:01:44 fair enough Dec 04 10:01:48 I'm excited to be honest Dec 04 10:07:35 do you use AIM/Gtalk or anything on your devices? Dec 04 10:14:29 gtalk mostly Dec 04 10:14:38 it works wthout issue for you? Dec 04 10:14:43 I can't sign into my aim or gtalks Dec 04 10:15:05 i can login fine Dec 04 10:15:11 1.4.5 issue? Dec 04 10:15:22 Logged into gtalk on my tp right now Dec 04 10:15:26 no idea Dec 04 10:16:10 works fine on my dad's touchpad too Dec 04 10:18:16 damn, can't get the VPN app to load Dec 04 10:19:46 do you know where in an app it defines all the files it calls? Dec 04 10:22:06 no idea Dec 04 10:22:34 im so close with the VPN app Dec 04 10:23:04 depends.js ? Dec 04 10:23:45 if there is anything compiled, you're probably out of luck Dec 04 10:23:57 yeah, thats what im thinking Dec 04 10:24:21 i thought i grabbed every file with the words VPN in it from the veer image and then copied them into their right places, but it still fails to load the agents list Dec 04 10:26:08 you copied any *.so? Dec 04 10:26:16 I didn't find any, no Dec 04 10:26:52 ah damn, you're right, there are some .so files Dec 04 10:27:36 what are they named? Dec 04 10:28:00 libPmVpnAc0al.so Dec 04 10:28:02 is one Dec 04 10:28:20 libVpncAgent.so Dec 04 10:28:49 libVpnAcAgent.so is another Dec 04 10:31:02 no way to recompile them right? Dec 04 10:32:18 HAH Dec 04 10:32:30 installed the webOS 2.x clock alongside the webos 1.4.5 clock Dec 04 10:32:45 Now I know what to do to make it work the same for the rest of the stuff like the webOS 2.x appstore so we can use promocodes easier Dec 04 10:33:19 if you dont have the source, no way to recompile them Dec 04 10:33:47 Okay, VPNapp is a complete lost cause then Dec 04 10:33:54 however, these other mojo apps I think are salvageable Dec 04 10:35:26 testing to see if the 2.x clock functions properly (IE dashboard, actually launching an alarm, etc Dec 04 10:50:44 hmm, 1.4.x uses the same pulse version as 2.x Dec 04 10:50:57 is that a good thing? Dec 04 10:51:10 would those extras you're making for the TP and pre3 then work for downlevel webOS devices? Dec 04 10:51:15 what do those plugins you're making do btw? Dec 04 10:51:53 well, i've got them working on 2.x devices too Dec 04 10:52:15 audio streaming via rtp and raop Dec 04 10:52:34 ah so new protocols Dec 04 10:52:40 sweet stuff man :) Dec 04 10:54:33 I wish I could make a dependency optional based on webos version Dec 04 10:55:21 what would that enable you to do? Dec 04 10:56:28 well, dbus is used in 1.4.x. I package it to use the modules for 2.x and 3.x Dec 04 10:57:18 <- nub, no idea what dbus does Dec 04 10:57:33 If it installs on 1.4.x, i'd want it to skip the dbus dependency so i dont have to create more than one package for everything Dec 04 10:57:45 ahhh oaky, i get you now Dec 04 11:00:03 lol, nevermind. RAOP isnt even available for that version of pulseaudio Dec 04 11:00:24 Its 3am, so im not thinking very well Dec 04 11:01:03 :P i'm probably worse off, its almost 6am Dec 04 11:01:29 well i got clock 2.x and app catalogue 2.x to work Dec 04 11:01:37 no love for most of the other webos 2.x stuff in webos 1.4.5 Dec 04 11:01:51 I can have one package for 1.4 - 2.1 Dec 04 11:02:07 that sounds reasonable Dec 04 11:02:14 do the 2.2+ devices require other magic? Dec 04 11:03:54 PDF View 2.x works but doesn't offer any more functionality over 1.4.5 version Dec 04 11:04:08 Gah, still have the zeroconf modules, which require dbus Dec 04 11:04:15 So im back where i started Dec 04 11:04:32 which is a different package for each version? Dec 04 11:05:37 I guess I'll have to talk to rwhitby on how I should go about it Dec 04 11:05:47 that guy is pretty muhc the man for webos Dec 04 11:06:14 Yeah, essentially I'd have to have another package just for 1.4.x Dec 04 11:06:42 more effort to maintain :C Dec 04 11:07:05 Yeah Dec 04 11:09:02 if something is a PDK app its compiled per architecture right? Dec 04 11:09:41 Since it's compiled c, yeah Dec 04 11:09:57 darn Dec 04 11:10:06 Picsel released their office suite for everything but 1.4.5 Dec 04 11:10:21 i'm using the stolen office version from the Veer roms Dec 04 11:10:40 i'd like to purchase a working one :\ Dec 04 11:17:26 for the alarm clock app, is it normal for it to not play the alarm if you dismiss the dashboard notificaiton? Dec 04 13:26:33 hello Dec 04 17:02:29 bhuey: ping Dec 04 17:09:58 bhuey: your your PM when you get a chance Dec 04 18:40:07 I've change some items in Govnah need to change back but can't remember. Is the a reset? Dec 04 20:19:59 I'm trying to uninstall Preware 4.3.1 on a Touchpad and can't find the option. I ended up uninstalling all pacthes and still can't find any option. I'm doing this to get testing feeds to work. Dec 04 20:20:05 Can anyone help me out? Dec 04 20:21:41 I'm trying to uninstall Preware 4.3.1 on a Touchpad and can't find the option. I ended up uninstalling all pacthes and still can't find any option. I'm doing this to get testing feeds to work. Dec 04 20:21:48 Can anyone help me out? Dec 04 20:29:16 can't if you don't stick around long enough! Dec 04 20:50:22 but Dec 04 20:50:23 the more you spam Dec 04 20:50:26 the more help you get Dec 04 20:50:28 I mean, 3 minutes! Dec 04 22:39:08 ok, wirc rocks on the touchpad. i'm not a fan of soft keyboards, but this is cool Dec 04 22:40:43 preware Dec 04 22:45:55 Mousey: yeah, I'm a fan Dec 04 23:21:35 a Dec 04 23:22:10 b Dec 04 23:22:50 3yr old likes the tablet Dec 04 23:50:57 Just released suborbital beta 3.0 with an icon manager and backup manager. http://www.precentral.net/suborbital Dec 04 23:51:37 source here https://github.com/grep-awesome/SubOrbital Dec 04 23:51:37 awesome Dec 04 23:51:42 thanks :D Dec 04 23:52:44 now I've gotta run get meds for my cats... Dec 04 23:53:19 one of my cats is on prozac.. Dec 05 00:25:55 one of a former colleague's cats was named prozac... Dec 05 00:39:30 rofl Dec 05 01:40:17 i cannot cd /media/internal/ for some reason Dec 05 01:40:20 any thoughts? Dec 05 01:40:45 can you cd to /media, and then ls -l ? Dec 05 01:41:02 i can cd to /media Dec 05 01:41:07 lemme try ls -l Dec 05 01:41:36 yep, internal is in there Dec 05 01:43:27 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1657812/Palm_Partss/Capture.PNG Dec 05 01:43:32 thats what appears Dec 05 01:44:01 what do you see when you try to cd into it? Dec 05 01:44:33 /bin/sh: cd: can't cd to /internal/ Dec 05 01:45:26 and you typed " cd /media/internal", right? Dec 05 01:45:31 yep Dec 05 01:46:07 lemme try closing out novaterm and trying again Dec 05 01:46:26 that error looks like you tried to cd to /internal instead of /media/internal Dec 05 01:47:35 wierd, im able to direct to it now after closing cmd and opening it again Dec 05 01:47:51 odd, well glad to hear it works Dec 05 01:47:59 thanks for the help though guys Dec 05 01:48:10 any of you tried android on pre? Dec 05 01:48:55 fudge_away: check /topic Dec 05 01:48:56 I've tried android on an android and hated it. not polluting my pre with it Dec 05 01:48:57 we run webos here Dec 05 01:49:10 halfhalo: check /topic Dec 05 01:49:54 grep_awesome: yeah, i know. but theres a thread on it on the forums. just trying it for the lol's. Dec 05 01:50:13 halfhalo: yeah, i tried andriod. decent, but not as awesome as webos. Dec 05 01:50:22 fudge_away: again, check /topic Dec 05 01:50:28 ok Dec 05 01:50:59 ohoho, sorry rwhitby Dec 05 01:52:24 oh, how I wish I could get rtp streaming with pulse to work Dec 05 01:54:30 at least i know how to denial of service my network with it though Dec 05 01:58:29 it'd be a great tool for war driving once you get in Dec 05 01:59:40 lol Dec 05 01:59:59 wrea: i seem to remember thats not the first time you did that Dec 05 02:00:17 Yeah :P Dec 05 02:00:20 lol Dec 05 02:00:30 specify a source and it'll dns Dec 05 02:00:41 have it pick it automatically, it doesnt Dec 05 02:01:10 hewball, I think all my packages are ready. Got modules for 2.x devices too Dec 05 02:01:22 hewball, offroading this weekend? Dec 05 02:01:48 or i guess i mean this past weekend since it's already tomorrow there Dec 05 02:02:18 hewball's in the future Dec 05 02:02:42 hewball: do you have a jetpack / flying car? Dec 05 02:02:49 he's just that good Dec 05 02:03:11 wrea: this coming weekend, i came to work this morning to a steam room, rather than a room with a hot water system, so all in all future sux Dec 05 02:03:45 damn dude. you're getting all the bad luck lately Dec 05 02:06:56 2 day work week, so it can only get better Dec 05 02:07:06 nice!! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 05 02:59:58 2011