**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 05 02:59:58 2011 Dec 05 03:08:37 hewball, awesome Dec 05 03:31:21 hewball, got all the problems with dbus and avahi fixed now. Have 3 mdns devices on my network now Dec 05 03:33:46 nice work Dec 05 03:34:32 I also 'tried' backporting raop to 0.9.14 :P Dec 05 03:39:52 seeing as i cant buy the itunes remote app that would come in handy on my pre3 Dec 05 03:42:11 well, you're golden anyway Dec 05 03:42:24 the pre3 uses the same pulse version as the tp Dec 05 03:43:22 oh sweet, didnt realise that Dec 05 03:43:40 The backporting would be for the Veer and Pre2 Dec 05 03:44:16 Backporting the changes with rtp was easy, but once I got to raop-sink it used a lot of updated api which would require someone more capable than me Dec 05 04:04:08 Can anyone help me decipher the legality of a patch I've made Dec 05 04:04:32 Sure Dec 05 04:04:45 I was on last night talking to you I think Dec 05 04:05:08 yeah Dec 05 04:05:08 in any case, I've managed to make the Pre 3 version of the HP App Store live alongside the webOS 1.4.5 version without any issue, and across reboots Dec 05 04:05:14 I've even purchased apps with it so I know it works :D Dec 05 04:06:07 I don't remember any EULA for the hp app store Dec 05 04:06:23 there is one Dec 05 04:06:24 My problem is two-fold. Firstly, what is the legality of what I've done? Secondly, how can I distribute this so other 1.x users can take advantage of Promo Codes Dec 05 04:06:33 Yes, there is. It shows the first time you enter the appstore Dec 05 04:06:41 ah, my bad Dec 05 04:06:56 I didnt read it, it was in my way at the time :P Dec 05 04:07:29 me either… most apparently Dec 05 04:07:43 well, i assume you'd have to distribute the software of the other app catalog Dec 05 04:07:52 Saijin_Naib: you can distribute a patch, but not the actual Pre 3 ipkg Dec 05 04:08:14 yeah Dec 05 04:08:21 Okay, I'm not sure how I'd do that. I'm really not good at this stuff, I sort of brute-forced this into working. Dec 05 04:08:35 Would you be able to tell me if it is possible for this to be a patch and not an IPK? Dec 05 04:09:04 a patch is a diff to a file, not a file in itself. Dec 05 04:09:25 if you're distributing complete files, you'll be in violation of the copyright on those HP files. Dec 05 04:09:48 O_o Dec 05 04:09:50 ok Dec 05 04:10:48 The EULA allows you to use the files on any webOS device, but does not allow you to redistribute them. Dec 05 04:11:31 So an end-user copying the files from their Pre 3 to their Pixi is fine. An end-user putting those files on mediafire.com is illegal. Dec 05 04:11:54 so somehow I'd need to make a thing that grabs the ipk file from the pre3 ROM, changes the appid in the appinfo.json, and changes the target directory of the IPK Dec 05 04:11:57 is that a patchable thing? Dec 05 04:12:19 sure Dec 05 04:12:27 well, kinda Dec 05 04:12:53 a patch is a diff to a file Dec 05 04:12:53 what you just said is not a diff to a file Dec 05 04:13:01 what is what I did? Dec 05 04:13:01 yeah Dec 05 04:13:11 it is something that can be made, but not with a patch Dec 05 04:13:35 now you could possibly do it with an ipk with a customized postinst script, as long as there is a way to get the Pre3 version of the App Cat Dec 05 04:13:42 as in, a way to get it from HP Dec 05 04:13:47 its from the doctor Dec 05 04:14:04 you could just write up good instructions on how to do it with the meta doctor Dec 05 04:14:05 its just buried in there and needs to be extracted to have some stuff edited Dec 05 04:14:26 I didnt use metadoctor, its something that can be done on-line from Internalz Dec 05 04:14:27 take the meta doc, make unpack both doctors, copy stuff around, make pack, install Dec 05 04:14:35 but that isn't an IPK either... Dec 05 04:14:47 no, for me it is :P Thats how I've stored it Dec 05 04:14:54 so would this be something useful you guys would want? Dec 05 04:14:56 you may be stuck with just having to do a good set of instructions Dec 05 04:15:10 are you just isntalling the Pre3 app cat IPK on a 1.4.5 device? Dec 05 04:15:15 Saijin_Naib: we have no more rights to distribute a HP ipk than you have Dec 05 04:15:16 I'm fine with that, I want it to be legal. Ideally, I want it to be as simple for the end-user as possible but I cant program so I can't make that happen :C Dec 05 04:15:36 Yeah, installing it but different from the way its done now so it stays resident across reboots Dec 05 04:15:39 put the instructions on a wiki page Dec 05 04:15:41 you would write up a wiki article on how to do it Dec 05 04:15:46 lol, jinx Dec 05 04:15:47 rwhitby, I was referencing more the instructions being something you'd want to have Dec 05 04:16:00 sure Dec 05 04:16:13 knowledge shared is always good. that's why we have www.webos-internals.org Dec 05 04:16:13 I also have some patches to PreWare patches I want to submit Dec 05 04:16:16 They're somewhat broken Dec 05 04:16:20 anything that involves making a webOS device do something "not stock" is good to have on the wiki Dec 05 04:16:34 what do the patches do? Dec 05 04:16:40 Saijin_Naib: have you contacted the authors of those patches with your fixes? Dec 05 04:16:51 Not yet, I have to make the patches to them tonight. Dec 05 04:17:14 One is dark system devices. It fails to install because its looking to patch the old GOogle Maps app, not the Bing one. It simply needs to have that one line removed Dec 05 04:17:23 the authors will prefer them as replacement patches, rather than patches to patches Dec 05 04:17:34 The other is the patch that makes the incoming/outgoing message bubbles show in the Messaging app on the overview page Dec 05 04:17:38 step one would be to contact the maintainer of the patch. If you can't get ahold of them, you can always just submit the update yourself through our patches portal Dec 05 04:17:42 patches.webos-internals.org Dec 05 04:18:17 That patch works fine, but it introduces a minor UI glitch. webOS doesn't have a pressed state chat bubble for the Green chat bubble. I just want to add that file and line to the patch Dec 05 04:18:18 include a note to say how and when you attempted to contact the original author. Dec 05 04:18:49 each patch usually has a forum thread where you can find the author and discuss your proposed change to the patch with it's existing user base Dec 05 04:19:36 Okay, I'll go that route then. They'd be better for it than me anyway :D Dec 05 04:19:49 most of them started the same way Dec 05 04:21:57 where should i put the webos 2.x appstore instruction wiki? Dec 05 04:26:34 somewhere on www.webos-internals.org Dec 05 04:26:39 come up with a good name for the page Dec 05 04:26:57 does it belong here? Dec 05 04:26:58 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS Dec 05 04:28:37 I don't get wikis, I find them obtuse so I really have no idea where it should go Dec 05 04:29:26 sup rwhitby Dec 05 04:29:28 how are things Dec 05 04:30:20 Saijin_Naib: add a page under http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Research Dec 05 04:30:34 Thanks rwhitby. I will do so Dec 05 04:34:50 I do not have permission to make edits Dec 05 04:36:40 they'll need your wiki login to fix that Dec 05 04:37:01 Saijin_Naib, same as here Dec 05 04:37:05 who is the "they"? :P Dec 05 04:37:26 Saijin_Naib: try now Dec 05 04:37:31 they = cryptk or rwhitby or whoever else is around that has access to fix that Dec 05 04:38:06 Saijin_Naib, did you sign up for an account on the wiki and confirm your email address? Dec 05 04:38:21 Thanks rwhitby! Dec 05 04:38:35 Cryptk, yep, did that just a few minutes ago. Rod fixed that up for me :) Dec 05 04:38:43 ahh, ok Dec 05 04:38:57 I'm submitting my patch tweak to Warlord for Dark System Devices first, and then I'll write up that wiki. I want to make sure I have lots of good screenshots Dec 05 04:39:25 I want to make it automated but I can't so I jsut have to document properly. Ah well, its a 5 minute process. Not the end of the world Dec 05 04:47:53 huh...so when i try rtp with pcm_input for the short crappy time it works I find out im getting input from the microphone on the tp Dec 05 04:54:01 _output doesnt work though Dec 05 04:54:50 wtf, the .patch file fails in internalz. Is there a way to get internals to tell me what line its failing on like PreWare does? Dec 05 05:10:45 Hi, does anyone have experience w/ the Binary Bluetooth patch? Dec 05 05:14:25 I mentioned this in the #webos channel, but I'm trying to pull data from a bluetooth device. I've installed the patch, but I don't think it is coming as binary Dec 05 05:15:46 and in my data I get a lot of "239 191 189", which happens when a value is above a certain limit Dec 05 05:17:02 is there anyway to get a patch from preware downloaded onto my comptuer to edit? Dec 05 05:17:10 this one I want to edit has no forum page for it Dec 05 05:23:05 https://github.com/webos-internals/patches Dec 05 05:26:27 rwhitby, you're my hero :D Dec 05 05:46:56 is ANSI encoding wrong for webOS patches? Dec 05 05:52:03 It seems no matter the value of "encoding" that I put, I get the same results Dec 05 06:01:39 "encoding" in what context Dec 05 06:03:37 Hey, so one of the patch's main changes was to add an encoding args Dec 05 06:04:11 ie for bluetooth read, this is in the command.js file: var result = assistant.readData(args.instanceId,args.dataLength,future,args.encoding||"utf8"); Dec 05 06:06:08 and so that goes to the assistant, where there is this line: Dec 05 06:06:35 fs.read( rxHandle, dataLength , null , encoding , function( err , str , bytesRead ){ Dec 05 06:07:16 yet the documentation for fs.read is confusing: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.12/api/fs.html Dec 05 06:07:30 fs.read(fd, buffer, offset, length, position, [callback]) Dec 05 06:07:40 why is encoding in the "length" place? Dec 05 06:14:30 link to the patch: https://github.com/webos-internals/patches/blob/webos-3.0.4/system/system-binary-bluetooth-patch.patch Dec 05 06:38:32 sconix, figured out that setting rate= and format= when trying rtp doesnt flood my network Dec 05 07:30:23 rwhitby, having two different versions of the same package should be okay as long as they're for different webos version, right? Dec 05 07:30:54 they'd need to be in two different feeds for people to use them Dec 05 07:30:59 like patches are Dec 05 07:32:25 ah Dec 05 07:34:40 thanks Dec 05 07:50:09 hello Dec 05 08:06:50 success! Dec 05 08:07:06 encoding: "binary" worked Dec 05 08:19:51 i guess i can give them all slightly different names and sort it out like that Dec 05 08:37:51 wrea: slightly different names, and MinWebOSVersion and MaxWebOSVersion on each Dec 05 08:38:02 then people will only see one in Preware Dec 05 08:38:17 could actually have the same name for all of them, but different appIds Dec 05 08:57:59 rwhitby, easy to change that. Thanks Dec 05 15:06:59 hey guys Dec 05 15:07:22 one question: are there really no differences between webOS 2.2.0 and 2.2.3 on Pre3 Dec 05 16:52:47 "halfhalo left the room (quit: Excess Flood)."... seems to be a problem with halos Dec 05 16:54:09 Sometimes my laptop gets ansy when it wakes from sleep and connects over wifi, and then connects over usb gigabit right after Dec 05 16:56:04 haha... well at least it is the flood Dec 05 17:01:09 *isn't Dec 05 20:57:49 hello, I'm not sure if anyone here would know this, but does anyone know if the cy8ctma395 multitouch driver in the hp touchpad use the standard A/B type protocol or a protocol of it's own? Dec 05 21:00:36 I'm looking into porting a native implementation of Ubuntu to the device and I'm trying to find a x11 input plug-in that could get along with it Dec 05 21:03:29 ...I think i'll just ask the cyanogenmod people :\ Dec 05 21:16:13 ok, so the touchpad is amazing Dec 06 00:27:06 sconix, when you were looking into node-dbus, did you see any minimum dbus version? Dec 06 00:27:56 wrea: no I did not, but I would expect even relatively new dbus be enough Dec 06 00:35:54 sconix, Okay. I was wondering because I'm thinking about doing pulse modules for 1.4.5 and to make it easier for the build env, I'd just use 1.1.20 instean of the latest Dec 06 00:50:38 hey guys Dec 06 00:50:44 just got my touchpad yesterday and I needed some help Dec 06 00:55:14 cant help if you dont stay Dec 06 01:08:29 why, aren't you telepathic yet? Dec 06 01:08:54 I evolve slowly Dec 06 01:49:35 hello fellas Dec 06 01:49:45 hi Dec 06 01:50:12 I'm strugling with isilo on hp touchpad Dec 06 01:50:42 got it installed no problem but scrolling is super slow Dec 06 01:51:21 there is a thread about this problem on isilo forums Dec 06 01:52:00 something to do with webos version 3.0.4 Dec 06 01:52:42 the 'fix' suggested by isilo forum admin in to revert to webos 3.0.2 Dec 06 01:52:57 which is stupid Dec 06 01:53:18 yes, it is Dec 06 01:53:44 or to wait for the next webos update which should (according to isilo admin( Dec 06 01:54:05 .... Sorry typing slow on my touchpad... Dec 06 01:54:59 ...according to isilo forum admin the next webos update will fix the slow scrolling in isilo Dec 06 01:56:22 but the problem is: no one knows when the next webos update will happen.... Any ideas when it is scheduled for? Dec 06 01:57:46 so I was wondering if you could think of a 'fix'? Any kewl kernel I should try? .... Already running the UbefKernel Dec 06 01:58:58 well, i've heard 3.0.5 was leaked against the NDA, so they are working on 3.0.6 Dec 06 01:59:28 who knows when it'll be released though Dec 06 02:00:18 sorry, new to the homebrew scene: what's NDA ? Dec 06 02:00:32 non-disclosure agreement Dec 06 02:00:35 a binding legal contract Dec 06 02:01:01 ahh Dec 06 02:02:52 err.. /UbefKernel/UberKernel/ ^^ Dec 06 02:07:09 so if you were to venture a wild guess, you'd say 3.0.6 will come out in matter of weeks / months ? Dec 06 02:08:19 "soon" Dec 06 02:08:39 Which is HP soon, which could mean 2 weeks or 2 years Dec 06 02:08:41 is that soon the same soon as making it right for us webOS users? Dec 06 02:08:51 I think HP time is worse than Valve time :[ Dec 06 02:10:34 hmm years heh Dec 06 02:11:58 any way I can grab 3.0.5 somewhere on the intertubes ? Dec 06 02:13:40 We don't condone, endorse or talk about that at all in here since that's violating HP's copyright Dec 06 02:14:03 ahh oops Dec 06 02:15:01 I won't ask any further questionable questions in this channel Dec 06 02:15:14 Gonna find a new channel? :P Dec 06 02:15:30 Anyone feel like helping me with some patchy goodness? Dec 06 02:15:43 :) Dec 06 02:16:53 I landed in this channel by clicking a link on Govnah's Help menu, btw Dec 06 02:19:29 err, what about Preware ... Muffle Logging et al. ... All those nice things are not 'condoned' by hp either? Dec 06 02:27:34 thanks guys, good night! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 06 02:59:57 2011