**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 15 02:59:57 2011
Dec 15 03:02:51 <Abyssul-TP> Does metadoctor disable updates?
Dec 15 03:06:41 <rwhitby> it has an option to do so, so the answer is "yes, and no, depending on how you direct it"
Dec 15 03:08:41 <Abyssul-TP> K
Dec 15 03:13:08 <bnceo`> Abyssul-TP: if you do the general metadoctor (like a Sprint Pre2), then it does not. But I would not update that way anyways
Dec 15 04:14:33 <Abyssul> Figures I couldnt modify the script on my own
Dec 15 04:21:25 <RWings19> Hi all... got a problem that I hope someone can help with.
Dec 15 04:21:43 <RWings19> I had to doctor my Sprint Pre-, 1.4.5
Dec 15 04:22:20 <RWings19> and now if I try to access the app catalog, it kicks me out of my Palm profile and I have to start over.  Thoughts on how to solve?
Dec 15 04:25:22 <Abyssul> Doctor again?
Dec 15 04:25:35 <Abyssul> Define, start over
Dec 15 04:27:03 <RWings19> I have to reboot the phone, re-log in to my Palm profile, and it restarts the process of downloading apps, syncing accounts, etc.
Dec 15 04:27:23 <RWings19> Then I have to reload Preware, go through Save/Restore, etc.
Dec 15 04:27:55 <Abyssul> You mean to tell me that just access the app catalog causes your phone to full erase?
Dec 15 04:28:12 <RWings19> not full erase (though it gives me the option to do that)
Dec 15 04:28:18 <Abyssul> o.O
Dec 15 04:28:24 <RWings19> I choose "Just Restart" instead
Dec 15 04:28:33 <Abyssul> Like I said, try doctoring again
Dec 15 04:28:37 <RWings19> which means the USB drive contents stay intact
Dec 15 04:29:20 <RWings19> main problem comes from the Maps application
Dec 15 04:29:47 <RWings19> which got updated with something that's not in the doctor .jar file
Dec 15 04:30:16 <Abyssul> The maps app was updated to Bings
Dec 15 04:30:20 <RWings19> correct
Dec 15 04:30:37 <RWings19> but after a doctor, the phone tries to restore google maps
Dec 15 04:30:40 <RWings19> and it can't
Dec 15 04:31:05 <Abyssul> Update the maps app without going to the catalog?
Dec 15 04:31:24 <RWings19> but if I try to click the Google Maps icon, it launches the App Catalog, and immediately tells me I've been logged out of my Palm Profile!
Dec 15 04:31:45 <RWings19> how else would I update it - webOSQuickInstall?
Dec 15 04:33:50 <rwhitby> Abyssul: which script did you try to edit?
Dec 15 04:34:25 <Abyssul> rwhitby:meta-sprint-franken-unlocked-pre2-2.1.0
Dec 15 04:34:38 <Abyssul> There are a few more changes than normally for this script
Dec 15 04:34:58 <Abyssul> the CDMA firmware is named differently
Dec 15 04:35:15 <Abyssul> well... I decided to use the 2.1.0 verizon doctor
Dec 15 04:35:24 <Abyssul> for the 2.2.4 adaption
Dec 15 04:35:39 <RWings19> another question:  i used to have an app named QUick Dial Beta.  Beta no longer exists - how can I remove the "evidence" of this app from my phone so I can cleanly install the APp Catalog paid version?
Dec 15 04:36:10 <Abyssul> Orange key + tap icon
Dec 15 04:36:19 <Abyssul> delete prompt
Dec 15 04:37:31 <RWings19> don't have an icon for the old one, after doctoring
Dec 15 04:38:07 <RWings19> because when the phone tried to sync apps after signing in to palm profile, those apps are no longer available in the catalog
Dec 15 04:38:17 <RWings19> so no icon to represent them in the launcher
Dec 15 04:38:31 <Abyssul> Does it give an exclamation mark in your list of apps?
Dec 15 04:38:55 <Jack87> maybe a moon?
Dec 15 04:39:05 <RWings19> Remember, I can't see that list - if I start the app catalog, it kicks me out of my profile
Dec 15 04:39:07 <Jack87> or is it just a blank spot in the launcher
Dec 15 04:39:15 <RWings19> no blank spot eithe
Dec 15 04:39:22 <Abyssul> Just try doctoring again
Dec 15 04:39:30 <Abyssul> Redownload the doctor too.
Dec 15 04:40:01 <RWings19> I will have to wait until tomorrow to try that... don't have 2 hours to burn right now.
Dec 15 04:40:12 <Abyssul> 2 hours?
Dec 15 04:40:58 <RWings19> Yeah, by the time I doctor, log back in, then go through the tedious process of restoring all my app data through Save/Restore, and all of the multiple reboots
Dec 15 04:41:30 <Abyssul> :\
Dec 15 04:41:33 <RWings19> Doctor worked fine earlier, no error messages
Dec 15 04:41:46 <RWings19> only trouble has been since then with the app catalog
Dec 15 04:41:54 <Abyssul> I'm OMW to being the first Pre2 with 2.2.4 on sprint :)
Dec 15 04:42:30 <Abyssul> RWings19: Even though it didnt give errors, stuff still happens.
Dec 15 04:42:58 <Abyssul> Even if it isnt the doctor, maybe your Pre is just wacked out from signing in wrong and it corrupted the internal database.
Dec 15 04:43:06 <RWings19> nice, i've been thinking about doing the frankenpre2 process
Dec 15 04:43:39 <RWings19> most of the app downloads worked fine.  it was just maps and those couple of betas I used to have.
Dec 15 04:43:56 <Jack87> Abyssul, keep us posted on how that works out :)
Dec 15 04:43:58 <Abyssul> I can't remember how updates worked on the 1.x devices
Dec 15 04:44:00 <RWings19> If I could delete the info about the betas from my device I think it would help
Dec 15 04:44:12 <Abyssul> Cant you just go to system updates to update apps?
Dec 15 04:44:26 <Jack87> Abyssul, i dont think thay have the app list app
Dec 15 04:44:50 <Jack87> the "software manager"
Dec 15 04:44:51 <Abyssul> Jack87, I know no Software Manager, but didnt the System Updates app give similar functionality
Dec 15 04:45:02 <RWings19> it launches the App Catalog
Dec 15 04:45:07 <Abyssul> Oh...
Dec 15 04:45:09 <Jack87> ya it did... for me it was always hit or miss though
Dec 15 04:45:17 <RWings19> which brings me right back to the same problem
Dec 15 04:45:34 <Abyssul> RWings19: There are always terminal commands we could give to update and remove packages
Dec 15 04:45:35 <RWings19> I need to go behind the scenes somehow and remove those two apps from the list in my palm profile
Dec 15 04:45:54 <Abyssul> 42% and good so far
Dec 15 04:48:17 <Abyssul> Hmmm its stuck at reconnecting to the modem..... not good
Dec 15 04:48:34 <RWings19> that step takes the longest IIRC
Dec 15 04:49:06 <Abyssul> Yeah, its chugging on now
Dec 15 04:49:17 <Abyssul> Had be worried lol
Dec 15 04:49:19 <Abyssul> me*
Dec 15 04:49:37 <Jack87> RWings19, remove via novaterm and do a backup... then doctor and see if it worked
Dec 15 04:49:57 <Jack87> a palm backup that is
Dec 15 04:50:10 <RWings19> i'd remove them if I knew what they were called
Dec 15 04:50:23 <Abyssul> Doctor completed. Rebooting
Dec 15 04:50:28 <Jack87> RWings19, does preware find anything
Dec 15 04:50:53 <Jack87> Abyssul, it will be a success if you can do messaging via TP :)
Dec 15 04:50:54 <RWings19> not for those apps, no
Dec 15 04:51:04 <Abyssul> Jack87, challenge accepted
Dec 15 04:51:07 * DougReeder waves hello
Dec 15 04:51:44 * Jack87 is excited about Abyssul's work
Dec 15 04:52:08 <Abyssul> I dont know the consequences of using the 2.1.0 doctor firmware over the 2.0.1
Dec 15 04:52:14 <Abyssul> (for CDMA)
Dec 15 04:52:21 <Jack87> modem firmware?
Dec 15 04:52:30 <Abyssul> Yep
Dec 15 04:52:41 <Jack87> im not sure what you mean
Dec 15 04:52:51 <Jack87> there was no 2.1 firmware for sprint modem was there?
Dec 15 04:52:59 <Jack87> or is it the same firmware
Dec 15 04:53:16 <Jack87> im pretty sure they are different
Dec 15 04:53:21 <Abyssul> The original 2.1.0 frankenpre2 script for sprint fetches the modem tar from the 2.0.1 Verizon doctor
Dec 15 04:53:38 <Abyssul> I updated my script to fetch it from the 2.1.0 doctor from Verizon
Dec 15 04:53:41 <Jack87> oh... intreasting i did not know this
Dec 15 04:53:42 <rwhitby> Abyssul: I doubt it changed much
Dec 15 04:54:01 <Abyssul> Idk if my phone is borked or its just not playing nice lol
Dec 15 04:54:07 <Abyssul> Stuck at the penguin
Dec 15 04:54:17 <Jack87> Abyssul, its taking its time
Dec 15 04:54:28 <Jack87> its a webos phone after all. they always take for fing ever
Dec 15 04:54:37 <Abyssul> Damn you have a magic touch
Dec 15 04:54:40 <Abyssul> It just turned HP
Dec 15 04:55:03 <Jack87> pulsing!?!
Dec 15 04:55:05 <Jack87> :)
Dec 15 04:55:10 <Abyssul> Indeed
Dec 15 04:55:20 <rwhitby> fscking can take a while after doctoring
Dec 15 04:55:31 <Abyssul> That sounds dirty
Dec 15 04:55:33 <rwhitby> oh, 2.2.4 will do the cryptofs thing on first boot too
Dec 15 04:56:13 <Abyssul> Hope I didnt lose my USB partition ;)
Dec 15 04:57:43 <Abyssul> Booted up fine with a EV signal
Dec 15 04:58:29 <Abyssul> Good thing I still have my sprint PRL tarball
Dec 15 04:58:40 <DougReeder> It would be nice if there was some message, such as "cleaning your disk"
Dec 15 04:59:27 <Abyssul> rwhitby: Do you forsee any issues with using a 2.1.0 backup on a 2.2.4?
Dec 15 04:59:38 <Abyssul> It seems to be fine so far
Dec 15 04:59:58 <EricBlade> good evening everyone
Dec 15 05:00:02 <PatrickC> hmm.. my system is read only.. i need to fix that so i can remove a folder :)
Dec 15 05:00:06 <PatrickC> hey Abyssul and EricBlade
Dec 15 05:00:17 <Abyssul> PatrickC: Omw to 2.2.4. on Pre2 Sprint :p
Dec 15 05:00:29 <PatrickC> Abyssul, awesome!
Dec 15 05:00:36 <dwc-> nice job
Dec 15 05:00:45 <PatrickC> rwhitby, if you need someone else to test, my Sprint Pre2 needs a doctor
Dec 15 05:00:51 <PatrickC> i screwed it up haha
Dec 15 05:01:01 <Abyssul> PatrickC: I have the script :)
Dec 15 05:01:42 <PatrickC> awesome!
Dec 15 05:02:17 <PatrickC> now, can i run the backup app from within novacom? i need to backup but the phone wont boot (due to my stupidity lol)
Dec 15 05:02:32 <Abyssul> I highly doubt it
Dec 15 05:02:50 <dwc-> if you leave it on 24h, will it autobackup?
Dec 15 05:03:02 <PatrickC> idk
Dec 15 05:03:05 <PatrickC> the phone wont fully boot
Dec 15 05:03:25 <PatrickC> so i dont know how much of the phone is functional
Dec 15 05:03:47 <Abyssul> You need to get it to boot
Dec 15 05:03:50 <PatrickC> Abyssul, go ahead and send the script my way.. with any extra instructions ill need :)
Dec 15 05:03:50 <Jack87> Abyssul, i am still waiting for messaging results ;-)
Dec 15 05:03:52 <Abyssul> What did you do to it
Dec 15 05:04:02 <Abyssul> My profile is still being parsed
Dec 15 05:04:02 <EricBlade> have there been successes with the 2.2.4 doctor on other pre2s that didnt get it ota
Dec 15 05:04:06 <PatrickC> tried to put the 2.2.4 phone app onto it lol
Dec 15 05:04:19 <dwc-> and didn't make a backup?
Dec 15 05:04:24 <PatrickC> nope
Dec 15 05:04:29 <Jack87> EricBlade, as far as I know Abyssul just booted his newly sprint pre2 ^
Dec 15 05:04:29 <Abyssul> Thats your own fault
Dec 15 05:04:29 <PatrickC> didnt think it would bork it
Dec 15 05:04:46 <dwc-> yea, but mv old old.bak is so easy
Dec 15 05:04:46 <PatrickC> Abyssul, i know. lol
Dec 15 05:04:47 <Abyssul> Jack87, he might be talking about with the original doctor
Dec 15 05:04:52 <Jack87> ah
Dec 15 05:05:01 <EricBlade> thats even more out there than doing it to a gsm na unlocked
Dec 15 05:05:11 <Jack87> kinda figured that hence why i included the who sprint part lol
Dec 15 05:05:17 <RWings19> well, my phone officially hates me now
Dec 15 05:05:17 <Abyssul> The progress bar is at 2/3rd way, but the evdo icon isnt showing anything downloading
Dec 15 05:05:38 <RWings19> rebooted and now i am just getting a giant spinning circle with a cloud background
Dec 15 05:05:45 <PatrickC> ok. well i just got it un read-only
Dec 15 05:05:49 <EricBlade> i wonder what that means for my  sprint pre-'s future lol
Dec 15 05:05:51 <PatrickC> lemme see if i can get it booting now
Dec 15 05:05:57 <Jack87> Abyssul, are you seeing ev icon?
Dec 15 05:06:09 <dwc-> pre-: even slower than before?
Dec 15 05:06:17 <Jack87> as long as you see an icon you are ok.
Dec 15 05:06:19 <Abyssul> It see it, but its not indicating as it downloading anything
Dec 15 05:06:39 <Abyssul> Jack87, I dont know if its just sorting existing profile info or its stuck.
Dec 15 05:06:55 * PatrickC crosses fingers
Dec 15 05:07:26 <Jack87> im sure most downloading is done for now its processing stuff.. it will just be finished and reboot before the progress bar even compleates
Dec 15 05:07:44 <Abyssul> Lets hope.
Dec 15 05:07:53 <PatrickC> Jack87, should it not prompt to log into accounts?
Dec 15 05:08:19 <Jack87> PatrickC, sounds like he has done that part already
Dec 15 05:08:26 <Abyssul> Yep, logged in fine
Dec 15 05:08:45 <Jack87> i think it prompts for a reboot if i remember right doesnt auto reboot
Dec 15 05:09:09 <PatrickC> im talking about email accounts. its done that already?
Dec 15 05:09:12 <Abyssul> Feels so foreign in Ubuntu land
Dec 15 05:09:16 <PatrickC> it booted!!
Dec 15 05:09:23 <Abyssul> PatrickC: Backup
Dec 15 05:09:27 <PatrickC> Abyssul, go ahead and send me the script, ill backup and do it :)
Dec 15 05:09:37 <Abyssul> Mmk
Dec 15 05:09:52 * PatrickC brb booting to linux
Dec 15 05:10:09 <Abyssul> Its moving
Dec 15 05:10:48 <Abyssul> PatrickC_Away: Do you have unlocked or Verizon-based frankenPre2
Dec 15 05:11:25 <Abyssul> Anyone know?
Dec 15 05:15:02 <Abyssul> Eh, cant remember my YT password
Dec 15 05:18:15 <Jack87> Abyssul, i have an unlocked franken sprint pre2
Dec 15 05:18:25 <Abyssul> Good, This would work for you
Dec 15 05:18:33 <Abyssul> I just dont have one made for Verizon-based ones yet
Dec 15 05:18:36 <Jack87> hehe i cant help till friday though :(
Dec 15 05:18:51 <Abyssul> What happens then
Dec 15 05:19:11 <patrickc> Abyssul: im in linux now
Dec 15 05:19:21 <Abyssul> patrickc: Is your Pre2 unlocked or Verizon-based
Dec 15 05:19:30 <patrickc> unlocked
Dec 15 05:19:33 <Abyssul> K good
Dec 15 05:19:37 <rwhitby> Abyssul: when you're ready, we can put that script in meta-doctor
Dec 15 05:19:38 <Abyssul> Let me upload then
Dec 15 05:19:46 <Abyssul> rwhitby, Im still testing
Dec 15 05:20:29 <Abyssul> patrickc: http://www.mediafire.com/?q5dp1aq415ponb4
Dec 15 05:22:08 <Abyssul> Booted and downloading apps atm
Dec 15 05:22:40 <EricBlade-TP> ok back from my pad because splashtop disconnects every time i move to another app
Dec 15 05:23:40 <Jack87> Abyssul, finals week
Dec 15 05:23:51 <RWings19> grr... stuck - can't ever use App Catalog again; it'll just keep trashing my palm profile  >:-(
Dec 15 05:24:03 <Abyssul> RWings19: What did you try?
Dec 15 05:24:13 <Jack87> RWings19, sounds soo weird whats going on
Dec 15 05:24:22 <RWings19> had to re-doctor
Dec 15 05:24:28 <RWings19> sprint pre-, 1.4.5
Dec 15 05:24:31 <patrickc> Abyssul: just run ./fileName?
Dec 15 05:24:35 <RWings19> doctor went ok
Dec 15 05:24:36 <Jack87> the app doesnt exist on your device but kills your profile?
Dec 15 05:24:40 <RWings19> signed into profile
Dec 15 05:24:45 <RWings19> can't backup 3 apps
Dec 15 05:24:54 <Abyssul> Yep from the meta-doct
Dec 15 05:24:56 <Abyssul> patrickc: no
Dec 15 05:24:59 <Jack87> RWings19, do you have a different webos device with 2.0+?
Dec 15 05:25:01 <RWings19> Maps (because it switched from GMaps to BMaps_
Dec 15 05:25:09 <Abyssul> Place it in the scripts folder and run like a regular script
Dec 15 05:25:14 <patrickc> ah ok
Dec 15 05:25:16 <RWings19> and two others because I was running Beta versions that are no longer in the app cat
Dec 15 05:25:17 <Abyssul> as in  "./scripts/<name>
Dec 15 05:25:27 <Abyssul> "Pairing failed"
Dec 15 05:25:36 <Jack87> Abyssul, did BT MAP work?
Dec 15 05:25:49 <RWings19> so if I try to go into the App Cat, it signs me out of my palm profile... and I have to reactivate the phone.
Dec 15 05:25:51 <Jack87> oh is that what you got?
Dec 15 05:25:51 <RWings19> third time now
Dec 15 05:25:56 <Abyssul> Yea
Dec 15 05:26:09 <Jack87> hum. that seems odd
Dec 15 05:26:12 <Abyssul> Trying again
Dec 15 05:26:18 <Jack87> what about audio device pairing?'
Dec 15 05:26:21 <rwhitby> RWings19: I'd recommend using Impostah to login to your profile
Dec 15 05:27:18 <Abyssul> Jakc87, it works
Dec 15 05:27:23 <Abyssul> All of it
Dec 15 05:27:29 <Abyssul> Got all the prompts
Dec 15 05:27:30 <Jack87> Abyssul, you is god
Dec 15 05:27:39 <Abyssul> Testing it now
Dec 15 05:28:06 <Jack87> no patch access in preware im guessing
Dec 15 05:28:10 <patrickc> Abyssul: what chmod do i need to do to it?
Dec 15 05:28:28 <patrickc> +x ?
Dec 15 05:28:29 <Abyssul> What do you mean?
Dec 15 05:28:32 <RWings19> rwhitby, how will that help?
Dec 15 05:28:42 <patrickc> Abyssul: bash: ./scripts/meta-sprint-franken-unlocked-pre2-2.2.4: Permission denied
Dec 15 05:28:52 <dwc-> +x
Dec 15 05:29:08 <dwc-> well, more accurately +rx
Dec 15 05:29:16 <Abyssul> Oh
Dec 15 05:29:24 <Abyssul> I went into permissions and changed it
Dec 15 05:29:30 <Abyssul> idk the commandline equivilant
Dec 15 05:29:43 <Jack87> patrickc http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade
Dec 15 05:29:45 <patrickc> dwc-: +x worked
Dec 15 05:29:53 <dwc-> it typically starts with +r
Dec 15 05:29:56 <RWings19> actually, Rod, that won't work... I am on 1.4.5
Dec 15 05:30:01 <patrickc> downloading doctors now! :D
Dec 15 05:30:11 <rwhitby> Abyssul: changes look good
Dec 15 05:30:30 <Abyssul> Lots of trial and error
Dec 15 05:30:40 <Abyssul> Well, more like 30 mins of my time :p
Dec 15 05:30:41 <Jack87> is it possible to formulate our own OTA updates?
Dec 15 05:30:55 <Abyssul> Jack87, seems plausible
Dec 15 05:31:01 <patrickc> Abyssul: i have a slow download speed. ill let u know the outcome :)
Dec 15 05:31:16 * Abyssul downloads the doctor in 1 min flat
Dec 15 05:31:22 <rwhitby> Jack87: not without a lot of works and a custom OmaDM server
Dec 15 05:31:41 <Jack87> hum i mean just the update file
Dec 15 05:31:42 <patrickc> i have 10 min remaining on the first one lol
Dec 15 05:31:44 <patrickc> bbl
Dec 15 05:31:47 <rwhitby> Abyssul: can't see anything I'd change, so I'll check that in
Dec 15 05:31:57 <Jack87> not nessessairly the entire server and all
Dec 15 05:32:03 <Abyssul> Phone is barely usable with it downloading all these apps
Dec 15 05:32:19 <Jack87> Abyssul, ya it bogs down a ton while restoring
Dec 15 05:32:40 <Jack87> it has more to do with I/O access than anything
Dec 15 05:32:47 <Abyssul> Idk on the texting yet
Dec 15 05:32:49 <rwhitby> Abyssul: twitter nick for credit?
Dec 15 05:32:56 <Abyssul> I dont have one
Dec 15 05:32:59 <Jack87> but it paired
Dec 15 05:33:00 <Abyssul> Just say Abyssul
Dec 15 05:33:17 <Abyssul> Jack87, it gives an exclamation mark on my TP, but my phone shows that I sent it 3 times
Dec 15 05:33:32 <Abyssul> Maybes its just my phone being weird from being bogged down
Dec 15 05:33:39 <patrickc> is this something that will be easily ported to the pre-?
Dec 15 05:33:43 <Jack87> might be the TP confused?
Dec 15 05:34:11 <Abyssul> OOOHHH
Dec 15 05:34:23 <Jack87> ooohhh?
Dec 15 05:34:23 <Abyssul> It tried to send all my past requests at SMS sending on my TP
Dec 15 05:34:48 <Jack87> like before 2.2.4?
Dec 15 05:34:51 <Abyssul> Yep
Dec 15 05:34:55 <rwhitby> patrickc: seriously, get rid of that Pre-
Dec 15 05:34:57 <dwc-> rwhitby: BOM on the first line
Dec 15 05:35:02 <Abyssul> Lol
Dec 15 05:35:22 <Abyssul> rwhitby, want me to work on that verizon version?
Dec 15 05:35:27 <rwhitby> Abyssul: sure
Dec 15 05:35:32 <rwhitby> dwc-: BOM ?
Dec 15 05:35:32 <Jack87> rwhitby, pre- is great as a external battery charger!
Dec 15 05:35:33 <RWings19> any way to remove apps from my palm profile on 1.4.5?
Dec 15 05:35:39 <dwc-> unicode byte order mark
Dec 15 05:35:57 <rwhitby> hmm - how do I get rid of that?
Dec 15 05:36:15 <Abyssul>  Notepad++?
Dec 15 05:36:20 <rwhitby> is there something like dos2unix?
Dec 15 05:36:22 <dwc-> set the fileencoding and resave in vi
Dec 15 05:36:29 <dwc-> vi -b and remove it?
Dec 15 05:36:35 <Abyssul> I saved in Ubuntu
Dec 15 05:36:59 <dwc-> it's a harmless error for people using bash as their shell
Dec 15 05:37:24 <Abyssul> Im moving back to win7. Ubuntu feels weird
Dec 15 05:37:25 <Jack87> Abyssul, should PRL be saved?
Dec 15 05:37:34 <rwhitby> dwc-: how's that?
Dec 15 05:37:53 <dwc-> looks right
Dec 15 05:37:54 <Abyssul> Jack87, if you never updated it manually, then no
Dec 15 05:38:00 <Abyssul> It wont make a difference
Dec 15 05:38:13 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 15 05:38:14 <Jack87> copy that
Dec 15 05:38:26 <Jack87> Abyssul, did you ever get my PM
Dec 15 05:38:51 <Abyssul> On the forums?
Dec 15 05:38:57 <Jack87> no no in irc
Dec 15 05:39:08 <Abyssul> Oh
Dec 15 05:39:13 <Abyssul> So thats what that sound was
Dec 15 05:43:34 <Abyssul> There is barely any difference between the Verizon and Unlocked scripts
Dec 15 05:43:42 * DougReeder waves goodnight
Dec 15 05:44:03 <Jack87> ya they are very similar
Dec 15 05:49:46 <patrickc> Abyssul: so. it all works?
Dec 15 05:49:55 <Abyssul> Seems like it.
Dec 15 05:50:05 <patrickc> even MAP?
Dec 15 05:50:09 <Abyssul> Still downloading programs and data so its unusable atm
Dec 15 05:50:20 <patrickc> ah ok
Dec 15 05:50:22 <dwc-> get on with the testing ,patrick
Dec 15 05:50:37 <patrickc> dwc-: doctor is still building lol
Dec 15 05:51:42 <patrickc> ooo.. does it fix the wifi issue i wonder.. hmm
Dec 15 05:51:50 <Abyssul> what wifi issue
Dec 15 05:51:55 <Abyssul> I want that damn sms bug fixed
Dec 15 05:52:07 <Abyssul> Does anyone have a verizon based Pre2 to test?
Dec 15 05:52:18 <Abyssul> Can someone tweet me a victim?
Dec 15 05:53:14 <patrickc> Abyssul: with my pre2, it will randomly not have wifi. takes a few reboots to fix normally
Dec 15 05:53:23 <Abyssul> Never heard of that
Dec 15 05:53:48 <patrickc> weird. it happened to both of my pre2s
Dec 15 05:54:53 <Abyssul> rwhitby: http://www.mediafire.com/?5lumt5z625pautv Verizon based script. There isn't much of a difference except the PATIENT constant change... right?
Dec 15 05:55:09 <Abyssul> rwhitby: and some ARG constant changes
Dec 15 05:55:37 <Abyssul> ITSS SSOOO SLLOOOWW
Dec 15 05:56:15 <patrickc> hmm. i cant seem to run the jar file from the command line
Dec 15 05:56:23 <patrickc> but i can open it fine regularly
Dec 15 05:56:24 <Jack87> patrickc something tells me it has something to do with your router
Dec 15 05:56:27 <Abyssul> whats it say
Dec 15 05:56:50 <patrickc> Jack87: my router?
Dec 15 05:56:57 <patrickc> Abyssul: pastebin'ing
Dec 15 05:57:13 <Jack87> ya wifi router box that transmits your internet at home wirelessly
Dec 15 05:57:14 <Abyssul> I agree on the router part unless it happens regarless of where you are
Dec 15 05:57:20 <patrickc> http://pastebin.com/8jYtrxTC
Dec 15 05:57:31 <patrickc> Jack87: the wifi on the actual phone doesnt come on
Dec 15 05:57:33 <Jack87> is it home wifi it does it on or school
Dec 15 05:57:35 <patrickc> it happens when im not at home
Dec 15 05:57:52 <patrickc> it happens all the time. doesnt matter where i am
Dec 15 05:57:56 <Jack87> something is not adding up there i dunno what to tell you
Dec 15 05:58:05 <patrickc> the wifi radio just doesnt come on (or so it seems)
Dec 15 05:58:16 <patrickc> oh, Abyssul thats the paste of the command line :)
Dec 15 05:58:22 <Abyssul> Yeah, idk
Dec 15 05:58:29 <Abyssul> make clobber and run the script again
Dec 15 05:58:43 <Abyssul> or just run it without the commandline?
Dec 15 05:58:49 <patrickc> the weird thing is, it runs without the command line
Dec 15 05:58:50 <Abyssul> What happens then?
Dec 15 05:58:52 <patrickc> ill try that
Dec 15 05:59:00 <Abyssul> I didnt get that error :\
Dec 15 05:59:00 <patrickc> it runs fine
Dec 15 05:59:29 <Jack87> looks like its working patrick
Dec 15 05:59:42 <Abyssul> Idk if its me, but the text message bubbles are larger
Dec 15 05:59:50 <Jack87> what error?
Dec 15 06:00:02 <Jack87> Abyssul, screenshot
Dec 15 06:00:11 <Jack87> ill tell you if you are crazy or not
Dec 15 06:00:46 <Jack87> lol oh right its not really usable right now
Dec 15 06:01:06 <Jack87> shit man couldnt you use a test profile so we werent waiting in anticipation here ;)
Dec 15 06:02:04 <Abyssul> :p
Dec 15 06:02:10 <Abyssul> some apps are erroring out
Dec 15 06:02:22 <Abyssul> Redownloading seems to fix that though
Dec 15 06:02:38 <Jack87> prolly not related
Dec 15 06:02:56 <Abyssul> Just reporting my findings
Dec 15 06:03:17 <Jack87> i think i recall that happening
Dec 15 06:04:25 <Abyssul> Aww glitch...
Dec 15 06:04:32 <Jack87> what
Dec 15 06:04:51 <Abyssul> Eh. I went to upload the photo
Dec 15 06:04:51 <RWings19> hmm... wondering if "Erase Apps and Data" would do the trick under Device Info
Dec 15 06:05:05 <Abyssul> swiped it away and it was still in fullscreen mode
Dec 15 06:05:30 * Jack87 wonders if camera works
Dec 15 06:05:49 <Abyssul> RWings19: it wouldnt get rid of the apps
Dec 15 06:05:53 <Abyssul> Camera works
Dec 15 06:06:03 <Jack87> so you can close any apps?
Dec 15 06:06:17 <RWings19> OK... might try Impostah to see if that will do it
Dec 15 06:07:29 <Jack87> Abyssul, is it done restoring?
Dec 15 06:07:53 <Abyssul> Most data seems done. Still doing apps, but its a lot faster now
Dec 15 06:08:42 <patrickc> 48% done :)
Dec 15 06:08:48 <patrickc> Jack87: u on twitter?
Dec 15 06:09:59 <Jack87> ya as of like 2 weeks ago. dont see myself using it much though
Dec 15 06:11:14 <patrickc> whats your handle?
Dec 15 06:11:34 * Jack87 doesnt know.. or the password trying to figure it out now lol
Dec 15 06:11:56 <patrickc> lol
Dec 15 06:12:25 * patrickc 's pre2's notification light is still flashing even though he is doctoring
Dec 15 06:12:33 <Jack87> AkopK87
Dec 15 06:12:41 <Davide-NYC> Is there anywhere online where I might read the opinions of the webos-internals guys on the open sourcing of webos?
Dec 15 06:12:59 <patrickc> Jack87: following :)
Dec 15 06:13:10 <Abyssul> Davide-NYC: Follow the twitter feed and read up on links they post
Dec 15 06:13:20 <Davide-NYC> urghh, twitter
Dec 15 06:13:25 <Jack87> I used it to win an Ipad2 which i won :)
Dec 15 06:13:39 <patrickc> Jack87: send it my way ;)
Dec 15 06:13:44 <Abyssul> Then subquently sold for 4 touchpads
Dec 15 06:13:57 <Jack87> its still sitting unopened on my desk. i really have no use fore it
Dec 15 06:13:59 <Jack87> for*
Dec 15 06:14:00 <patrickc> Abyssul: doctor done.
Dec 15 06:14:15 <Abyssul> Good
Dec 15 06:14:30 <patrickc> Jack87: u can always sell it :)
Dec 15 06:14:53 <Abyssul> Expensive frisbee??
Dec 15 06:14:58 <patrickc> haha
Dec 15 06:15:20 <Jack87> ya will prolly sell
Dec 15 06:15:29 <scoutcamper> Jack87, or give it to me
Dec 15 06:16:23 <patrickc> woo! into luna :)
Dec 15 06:16:32 <Abyssul> Any questions Jack87?
Dec 15 06:18:19 <Jack87> Abyssul, questions?
Dec 15 06:18:47 <Jack87> I asked if you were able to close any apps at all
Dec 15 06:19:12 <Abyssul> Of course
Dec 15 06:20:22 <Jack87> god i cant figure out this twitter crap i give up closing browser
Dec 15 06:20:36 <Jack87> Abyssul, seemed like a onetime glitch?
Dec 15 06:20:46 <dwc-> obv the problem is you aren't using one of the 12341 twitter apps for webos
Dec 15 06:21:06 <patrickc> of which the best is Project Macaw ;)
Dec 15 06:21:19 <dwc-> it's so good nobody has it
Dec 15 06:21:35 <patrickc> actually a lot of people are using it now
Dec 15 06:21:52 <patrickc> ive had people tell me it replaced carbon, graphite, and other pay-for twitter apps
Dec 15 06:21:55 <patrickc> and we offer it for free
Dec 15 06:22:07 <dwc-> I'm not, and I'm the only one that matters ;)
Dec 15 06:22:27 <patrickc> lol
Dec 15 06:22:32 <patrickc> have u tried it recently? :)
Dec 15 06:22:36 <dwc-> never
Dec 15 06:22:45 * patrickc kicks tweetdeck and decides to try a different client
Dec 15 06:22:46 <patrickc> u should
Dec 15 06:22:50 * Jack87 wants to shoot the damn bird in the face
Dec 15 06:22:52 <Abyssul> Jack87, a mix of opening the slideshow while it was opening and me closing the card
Dec 15 06:22:52 <patrickc> its really awesome and nice :)
Dec 15 06:22:54 <dwc-> why do I want to twitter?
Dec 15 06:23:04 <patrickc> cause its awesome
Dec 15 06:23:15 <dwc-> you mean like how it was fail whaling for an hour+ today?
Dec 15 06:23:19 <dwc-> yea, totally awesome
Dec 15 06:23:30 <patrickc> my app wasnt
Dec 15 06:23:34 <patrickc> only the website seemed to be
Dec 15 06:23:41 <dwc-> the APIs were
Dec 15 06:24:20 <patrickc> weird. i didnt notice it on Project Macaw. i was probably doing it after the problem was resolved
Dec 15 06:25:59 <Abyssul> Twitter was at half capacity for half an hour earlier
Dec 15 06:36:05 <cvillers> had no idea that project macaw existed, just installed it
Dec 15 06:36:14 <cvillers> the whale icon in the "twitter failed" notification is a nice touch ;)
Dec 15 06:37:06 <Abyssul> sms on tp isnt working as I planned
Dec 15 06:37:10 <patrickc> howso?
Dec 15 06:37:20 <Abyssul> Just give an exclamation mark
Dec 15 06:37:28 <Abyssul> Isnt mirroring the SMS
Dec 15 06:38:20 <patrickc> can u send from the TP?
Dec 15 06:38:32 <Abyssul> Nope,
Dec 15 06:39:35 <Jack87> Abyssul, i wonder if that has anything to do with the touchpad
Dec 15 06:39:40 <Abyssul> Same
Dec 15 06:39:44 <Jack87> from earlier failed attempts
Dec 15 06:39:54 <Abyssul> Im going to let my Pre2 finish downloading apps and stuff overnight
Dec 15 06:39:58 <Abyssul> then restart both devices
Dec 15 06:40:16 <Jack87> and remove all sms attempts and BT profiles that have to do with your phone from the TP
Dec 15 06:40:49 <Abyssul> I did that
Dec 15 06:40:52 <Abyssul> Way ahead of ya
Dec 15 06:41:38 <patrickc> worked fine for mr
Dec 15 06:41:49 <patrickc> me*
Dec 15 06:42:32 <Abyssul> Phone app is enyo-ish
Dec 15 06:43:06 <patrickc> the source does link to enyo and not mojo
Dec 15 06:43:16 <patrickc> i know that because thats how i bricked the phone the first time haha
Dec 15 06:43:35 <Abyssul> The swipe down menu on the left for the phone is half enyo, half mojo
Dec 15 06:43:42 <Abyssul> so its unaligned and out of place
Dec 15 06:43:50 <Abyssul> same for the preferences scene
Dec 15 06:44:00 <patrickc> not sure how/why it looks mojo at all. i dont think mojo is linked to in the index.html at all
Dec 15 06:44:26 <patrickc> skype work?
Dec 15 06:44:28 <Abyssul> Its still mojo :\
Dec 15 06:44:35 <Abyssul> oh, let me look
Dec 15 06:44:57 <Jack87> patrick are you done doctoring?
Dec 15 06:45:04 <Jack87> sms worked for you? or the doctor?
Dec 15 06:45:15 <patrickc> SMS
Dec 15 06:45:42 <Jack87> you can send recive sms via touchpad through BT of your newly doctored sprint pre2?
Dec 15 06:45:42 <patrickc> doctor finished a while ago :)
Dec 15 06:45:49 <patrickc> yeppers
Dec 15 06:45:52 <patrickc> worked like a charm
Dec 15 06:45:58 <Jack87> ok cool
Dec 15 06:46:01 <Abyssul> No mentioning of skype
Dec 15 06:46:04 <Jack87> Abyssul, you have a different hick up there
Dec 15 06:46:37 <patrickc> Abyssul: i think u had to download it from the catalog on the pre3
Dec 15 06:46:39 <Jack87> http://mobiputing.com/2011/12/hp-releases-webos-2-2-4-brings-skype-to-more-phones/
Dec 15 06:46:46 <Abyssul> I cant find it?
Dec 15 06:46:51 <patrickc> my catalog isnt done downloading the update so i cant look
Dec 15 06:46:58 <Abyssul> ill look
Dec 15 06:47:12 <patrickc> just finished downloading haha
Dec 15 06:47:18 <patrickc> have u tried sprint nav on it?
Dec 15 06:47:27 <Abyssul> Haha no
Dec 15 06:47:30 <Jack87> patrick you are the doctoring pro!
Dec 15 06:47:31 <Abyssul> It should work though
Dec 15 06:47:48 <patrickc> Jack87: huh? ;p;
Dec 15 06:47:49 <patrickc> lol*
Dec 15 06:48:08 <Jack87> out of anyone here i am almost sure you have doctored more than everyone... maybe more than everyone combined.
Dec 15 06:48:18 <patrickc> hshs
Dec 15 06:48:20 <patrickc> haha*
Dec 15 06:48:24 <patrickc> i cant type tonight lol
Dec 15 06:48:26 <Jack87> so you know how to make your doctoring experince go smooth and fast
Dec 15 06:48:35 <Abyssul> No luck
Dec 15 06:48:44 <Abyssul> In the catalog and in the Synergy Services
Dec 15 06:48:49 <patrickc> Abyssul: i think its because the pre2 isnt reporting that its 2.2.4?
Dec 15 06:48:58 <patrickc> checking palm.com/palmprofile now
Dec 15 06:49:01 <Jack87> check palm profile
Dec 15 06:49:06 <Jack87> there you go
Dec 15 06:49:07 <Jack87> :)
Dec 15 06:49:20 <patrickc> nope. its reporting 2.2.4...
Dec 15 06:49:21 <patrickc> hmm
Dec 15 06:50:09 <Abyssul> Idk. Its 2am and I need sleep
Dec 15 06:50:16 <Abyssul> Ill mess with it more tomorrow
Dec 15 06:50:36 <Abyssul> Mine reports 2.2.4 as well
Dec 15 06:50:40 <patrickc> night
Dec 15 06:50:43 <patrickc> yeah.. weird
Dec 15 06:50:43 <Jack87> Abyssul, good job!
Dec 15 06:51:02 <patrickc> we need to talk with people who have non-sprint pre2's and see if they can get it :)
Dec 15 06:51:27 * EricBlade has a non-sprint pre2
Dec 15 06:51:31 <Abyssul> Sms text works after rebooting TP
Dec 15 06:51:48 <patrickc> EricBlade: have u doctored/OTA'd to 2.2.4?
Dec 15 06:51:53 <Jack87> EricBlade, yours is stock running unlick right?
Dec 15 06:52:06 <Jack87> unlocked
Dec 15 06:52:11 <EricBlade> it's a NA-Unlocked
Dec 15 06:52:22 <patrickc> on 2.2.4?
Dec 15 06:52:26 <Jack87> ya that one cant OTA to 2.2.4
Dec 15 06:52:36 <Abyssul> SMS mirroring is working as intended now
Dec 15 06:52:38 <Jack87> EricBlade, have you tried running stock 2.2.4 doctor
Dec 15 06:52:53 <Jack87> if that doesnt work maybe you can do meta doctor and just have it ignore device type
Dec 15 06:52:55 <EricBlade> i have not, i just returned home from work.  should this be something i should try?
Dec 15 06:53:16 <Jack87> EricBlade, well.... its all up in the air testing stuff so its your call
Dec 15 06:53:46 <Jack87> i cant recomend it as only Abyssul and patrick have tested it for a whole 10min or so
Dec 15 06:54:09 <EricBlade> well i'm ok with resetting everything
Dec 15 06:54:10 <Abyssul> The NA 2.2.4 doctor was released. No need for metadoctor
Dec 15 06:54:30 <Jack87> Abyssul, oh really! i didnt know there was an NA one
Dec 15 06:54:33 <Abyssul> There could be a chance of getting the update notification
Dec 15 06:54:38 <Jack87> so there is a NA doctor but no OTA ?
Dec 15 06:54:41 <Abyssul> NA, EU are one of the same
Dec 15 06:54:53 <patrickc> its all unlocked GSM i think
Dec 15 06:55:07 <Abyssul> Jack87, yep
Dec 15 06:55:14 <Abyssul> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions
Dec 15 06:55:21 <Jack87> gotcha
Dec 15 06:55:34 <patrickc> im off to bed all
Dec 15 06:55:51 <Jack87> EricBlade, well if you want newest webos on pre2 just run stock doctor unless you rather meta doctor
Dec 15 06:55:56 <Jack87> bye guys
Dec 15 06:56:00 <patrickc> ping me or email me if u need something else tested for it :) or if u find out anything about the skype thing... patrickappcreator @ gmail
Dec 15 06:56:01 <patrickc> thanks guy
Dec 15 06:56:04 <patrickc> guys*
Dec 15 06:56:09 <EricBlade> giving it a look
Dec 15 06:56:14 <Jack87> they are trying to see if they can get skype suport is all
Dec 15 06:56:39 <Jack87> their's is a sprint pre2 so hackery is involved
Dec 15 06:57:56 <patrickc> all apps restored
Dec 15 06:58:45 <Abyssul> Thread says that you get it through the messaging app?
Dec 15 06:59:00 <patrickc> i looked there and didnt see it
Dec 15 06:59:05 <Abyssul> Me either
Dec 15 06:59:10 <EricBlade> ... installing device driver software?
Dec 15 06:59:33 <patrickc> EricBlade: its suppose to do that :)
Dec 15 06:59:38 <EricBlade> device driver software was not successfully installed.  and then it continued on anyway
Dec 15 06:59:54 <EricBlade> now several more of those errors, but it's continuing
Dec 15 07:00:12 <patrickc> thats normal for it going into and out of recovery mode so quick
Dec 15 07:00:20 <EricBlade> i'm sitting on a HP logo on the phone, with the doctor apparently stopped at 8%
Dec 15 07:00:38 <Abyssul> Thats normal
Dec 15 07:00:40 <EricBlade> ok now the down arrow with the giant CPU
Dec 15 07:00:46 <Abyssul> Normal
Dec 15 07:00:47 <EricBlade> "Insert CPU to continue"
Dec 15 07:01:07 <EricBlade> :) that's what i think whenever i see that image.  looks like it's working as normal.  the normal huge pause at 12%
Dec 15 07:01:15 <Abyssul> and 48%
Dec 15 07:01:39 <Abyssul> (if you are reflashing the modem)
Dec 15 07:01:45 <Jack87> if you get past 12% everything is a ok
Dec 15 07:02:14 <Abyssul> hmmm we need to find out why there isnt skype
Dec 15 07:02:18 <EricBlade> yeah up to 15.  i'm feeling good about this
Dec 15 07:02:22 <Jack87> oh wait... on pre2 the pause is at 8% on touchpad its 12 % 48% is the modem
Dec 15 07:02:53 <Abyssul> Anyone wanna disect the doctor and search for references to skype? :p
Dec 15 07:03:09 <Jack87> wait 64% is modem
Dec 15 07:03:11 <patrickc> Abyssul: i can :)
Dec 15 07:03:35 <Jack87> well if eric gets skype we will see.
Dec 15 07:03:45 <Jack87> if he doesnt than there is something we are missing
Dec 15 07:03:55 <Jack87> so lets wait and see what he reports back first
Dec 15 07:04:00 <Abyssul> Thats too long of a wait
Dec 15 07:04:05 <Abyssul> I can dl the doctor and search it faster
Dec 15 07:04:28 <patrickc> im just extracting the one that i already downloaded haha
Dec 15 07:04:56 <Abyssul> the skype ipk is in the WR tar
Dec 15 07:05:15 <Jack87> Abyssul, anyway you can add 2.1 feed to do patches
Dec 15 07:05:18 <Abyssul> the script I wrote must have not had that listed
Dec 15 07:05:20 <Jack87> some might not work
Dec 15 07:05:21 <patrickc> it isnt there in the script
Dec 15 07:05:27 <patrickc> built doctor*
Dec 15 07:05:35 <Jack87> i dunno what would be the best patch feed version to play with
Dec 15 07:05:47 <Abyssul> what is "sweatshop-wr-roadrunner-1.0-42_armv7.ipk"
Dec 15 07:05:51 <EricBlade> there's a com.palm.app.skype_1.1-8.3_armv7 in resources\wr.tar
Dec 15 07:05:55 <patrickc> there is a lot that isnt in the wr.tar in the script built doctor
Dec 15 07:06:15 <Abyssul> patrickc, yeah thats intentional
Dec 15 07:06:41 <Jack87> EricBlade, when it rebuilds sweatshop.... do you think it might of missed rebuilding skype into it?
Dec 15 07:06:46 <Jack87> oops i mean Abyssul ^
Dec 15 07:06:58 <patrickc> failed IPKG install for the skype app
Dec 15 07:07:08 <Abyssul> idk what the sweatshop ipk is
Dec 15 07:07:13 <EricBlade> Jack87: umm.. i understand each of the words that you said
Dec 15 07:07:28 <Jack87> Abyssul, sweatshop ipk is usually the apps that come on the device
Dec 15 07:07:34 <Jack87> like sprint one would have sprint nav and such
Dec 15 07:08:00 <Jack87> i dunno if the scripts extract it or not
Dec 15 07:08:38 <Jack87> thats has to be it
Dec 15 07:08:50 <Jack87> i dunno maybe not lol we will see when EricBlade is done :)
Dec 15 07:08:58 <EricBlade> huuuge 48% pause
Dec 15 07:09:05 <dwc-> you can always install the skype ipk there
Dec 15 07:09:20 <Jack87> patrick just tried didnt seem to work
Dec 15 07:09:37 <dwc-> yea, but it's patrick!
Dec 15 07:09:39 <EricBlade> "audiod-config-eu" .. a special audio thing for europeans?  do they hear differently?
Dec 15 07:09:41 <Jack87> lol
Dec 15 07:09:47 <patrickc> crap
Dec 15 07:09:50 <Jack87> no offence patrick but he has a point
Dec 15 07:09:50 <patrickc> read only filesystem again
Dec 15 07:10:04 <patrickc> wait.. what did i miss? lol
Dec 15 07:10:07 <patrickc> what point?
Dec 15 07:10:19 <dwc-> patrick, how did you attempt to install skype
Dec 15 07:10:21 <patrickc> oh lol
Dec 15 07:10:25 <patrickc> with palm-install
Dec 15 07:10:26 <Jack87> haha patrick you just furhter proved dwc-'s point
Dec 15 07:10:33 <patrickc> im trying ipkg install --force depends
Dec 15 07:10:36 <dwc-> yea, palm-install won't work
Dec 15 07:10:37 <patrickc> but my file system is read only
Dec 15 07:10:43 <patrickc> again haha
Dec 15 07:10:44 <Jack87> lol
Dec 15 07:10:48 <EricBlade> here it comes gentlemen
Dec 15 07:10:51 <Jack87> ill wait for you to figure out how to fix that
Dec 15 07:11:11 <patrickc> done
Dec 15 07:11:13 <patrickc> mount -o remount,rw /
Dec 15 07:11:17 <Jack87> good job :)
Dec 15 07:11:23 <patrickc> now. installed
Dec 15 07:11:27 <Jack87> im impressed!
Dec 15 07:11:29 <patrickc> lets reboot and see if this thing works :)
Dec 15 07:11:39 <Jack87> a year ago you didnt even know what linux was
Dec 15 07:11:44 <patrickc> tellbootie.. my favorite command :)
Dec 15 07:12:10 <Jack87> patrick i think "reboot" reboots it
Dec 15 07:12:14 <patrickc> root@PatrickCampanalesSprintPre2:/# ipkg install /media/internal/com.palm.app.skype
Dec 15 07:12:14 <patrickc> _1.1-8.3_armv7.ipk --force-depends
Dec 15 07:12:14 <patrickc> Begin installation of com.palm.app.skype
Dec 15 07:12:14 <patrickc> Installing com.palm.app.skype (1.1-8.3) to root...
Dec 15 07:12:14 <patrickc> Configuring com.palm.app.skype
Dec 15 07:12:27 <patrickc> Jack87: but tellbootie is so much more fun to type :P
Dec 15 07:12:38 <Jack87> haha
Dec 15 07:12:56 <Jack87> Abyssul, I have a feeling you are missing some of the stuff from the new sweatshop file
Dec 15 07:13:14 <EricBlade> i -appear- to be stuck at the hp logo
Dec 15 07:13:27 <patrickc> EricBlade: itll take a while on first boot
Dec 15 07:13:41 * patrickc needs to overclock now :P
Dec 15 07:14:31 <Jack87> EricBlade, it does some shit with crytofs
Dec 15 07:14:50 <EricBlade> it's pulsing now
Dec 15 07:15:03 <patrickc> seems to be signing into skype!! :D
Dec 15 07:15:16 <Abyssul> o.O
Dec 15 07:15:38 <EricBlade> logging in....
Dec 15 07:15:50 <Abyssul> I got skype installed
Dec 15 07:16:03 <patrickc> Abyssul: ipkg install?
Dec 15 07:16:08 <Abyssul> Yep
Dec 15 07:16:11 <Abyssul> I forgot mount
Dec 15 07:16:12 <patrickc> i did a reboot
Dec 15 07:16:17 <patrickc> just to be sage
Dec 15 07:16:19 <patrickc> safe*
Dec 15 07:16:34 <Abyssul> Now to add that to my script
Dec 15 07:16:34 <patrickc> hmm.. seems to be ever signing in..
Dec 15 07:16:43 <patrickc> wait. it isnt working yet
Dec 15 07:16:46 <Abyssul> Hmm
Dec 15 07:16:48 <patrickc> not sure what else im missing
Dec 15 07:16:56 <patrickc> whats the com.palm.app.stk ?
Dec 15 07:17:28 <EricBlade> i was able to call my service provider, and now it's restoring my backed up data
Dec 15 07:17:42 <patrickc> ah. Sim Toolkit
Dec 15 07:17:58 <Jack87> oh wait sweatshop is sepreat from skype  sorry
Dec 15 07:17:58 <Abyssul> Yep
Dec 15 07:18:48 <Jack87> Abyssul, check to see what else might be missing from tour script
Dec 15 07:18:53 <patrickc> still logging in
Dec 15 07:18:58 <Abyssul> rebooting
Dec 15 07:19:01 <patrickc> not sure if i got the password wrong or what
Dec 15 07:19:55 <Jack87> your*
Dec 15 07:20:07 <EricBlade> and final reboot coming up
Dec 15 07:20:17 <patrickc> palm-log isnt showing much either
Dec 15 07:21:26 <EricBlade> my Product and Device Name are not showing in the account details, but it is showing 2.2.4.
Dec 15 07:22:05 <dwc-> I don't think my product and devicename normally show up on 2.1.0
Dec 15 07:22:33 <dwc-> but let me see
Dec 15 07:22:35 <EricBlade> I thought it used to say NA-Unlocked
Dec 15 07:22:41 <EricBlade> somewhere
Dec 15 07:22:45 <Abyssul> patrickc, skype works for me
Dec 15 07:22:46 <Jack87> no device name for me
Dec 15 07:22:50 <patrickc> Abyssul: huh>
Dec 15 07:22:54 <Abyssul> I logged in
Dec 15 07:22:54 <patrickc> did it actually log in?
Dec 15 07:22:58 <Abyssul> Yep
Dec 15 07:23:04 <dwc-> nevermind, you're right
Dec 15 07:23:05 <patrickc> still logging in over here
Dec 15 07:23:06 <Abyssul> I even put my password in wrong a few times
Dec 15 07:23:10 <patrickc> did u do --force-depends?
Dec 15 07:23:13 <Abyssul> and it corrected me
Dec 15 07:23:13 <dwc-> wait, no
Dec 15 07:23:14 <Abyssul> yep
Dec 15 07:23:16 <dwc-> product is blank
Dec 15 07:23:18 <patrickc> hmm...
Dec 15 07:23:20 <EricBlade> support bluetooth: HFP/HSP, A2DP, PBAP, PAN, AVRCP, OPP, SPP, MAP, HID
Dec 15 07:23:20 <dwc-> device name is blank
Dec 15 07:23:31 <Abyssul> Yay MAP
Dec 15 07:23:34 <patrickc> where did u go to add the acount?
Dec 15 07:23:35 <patrickc> account*
Dec 15 07:23:41 <Jack87> weird... yours is stock doctor thats odd
Dec 15 07:23:45 <Abyssul> Messaging
Dec 15 07:23:58 <EricBlade> network carrier ROW ?  firmware CU0.5.72(5036)
Dec 15 07:24:12 <patrickc> how long did it take before it logged in?
Dec 15 07:24:48 * patrickc tries the mobile hotspot app hoping it will work expecting it wont
Dec 15 07:25:03 <Abyssul> 3 seconds
Dec 15 07:25:08 <patrickc> Abyssul: and u only did the skype IPK?
Dec 15 07:25:14 <Abyssul> Yep
Dec 15 07:25:22 <Abyssul> Gonna do navi now
Dec 15 07:25:31 <patrickc> rebooting one more time to see if something happened because i did tellbootie and not reboot
Dec 15 07:25:46 <Jack87> sprint navi?
Dec 15 07:26:05 <Abyssul> yeah
Dec 15 07:26:07 <EricBlade> my voicemail indicator worked fine, phone calls worked apparently, bluetooth just came on, ... my touchpad stopped streaming audio
Dec 15 07:26:20 <Abyssul> I added skype to the ipk list
Dec 15 07:26:25 <Jack87> does text work
Dec 15 07:26:27 <Abyssul> Idk if it will work though, but I hope so
Dec 15 07:26:28 <EricBlade> this is such a ridiculous problem with the touchpad
Dec 15 07:26:41 <Jack87> Abyssul,  a few doctoring test runs youll find out
Dec 15 07:26:43 <Abyssul> EricBlade, are you on 3.0.4?
Dec 15 07:26:49 <Abyssul> I havnt had the issue since 3.0.4
Dec 15 07:26:58 <EricBlade> NO DAMMIT TOUCHPAD STOP BOOTING ANDROID
Dec 15 07:26:58 <Jack87> EricBlade, what do you mean audio stopped streaming?
Dec 15 07:27:12 * Jack87 thinks its a problem with android on the touchpad ;)
Dec 15 07:27:19 <Jack87> jk
Dec 15 07:27:28 <Jack87> i have never had audio issues with my touchpad
Dec 15 07:27:37 <EricBlade> Jack87: html5 media requests just -stop- working after anywhere from 1 to about 20 playbacks
Dec 15 07:27:57 <Jack87> like as in music
Dec 15 07:28:09 <Jack87> i guess i dont use it much for music
Dec 15 07:28:12 <EricBlade> well i'm specifically using it with a music player that i've been working on yes. i intend to add video support soon
Dec 15 07:28:19 <EricBlade> i have yet to see html5 video work at all, ever.
Dec 15 07:28:32 <Jack87> apparently it should be coming
Dec 15 07:28:37 <patrickc> im starting to think theres something wrong with my skype install
Dec 15 07:28:40 <patrickc> nope
Dec 15 07:28:42 <patrickc> nvm
Dec 15 07:28:44 <patrickc> it worked lol
Dec 15 07:28:52 <Jack87> patrick just like dwc- said... its you
Dec 15 07:28:59 <EricBlade> skype account is in my Add Accounts dialog on the Pre
Dec 15 07:29:01 <patrickc> lol
Dec 15 07:29:15 <patrickc> Jack87: im getting better :)
Dec 15 07:29:30 <Jack87> im just teasing you. i wish i started at your age
Dec 15 07:29:50 <patrickc> i know your just teasing lol
Dec 15 07:30:01 <patrickc> i just wish i had a real laptop before now lol
Dec 15 07:30:02 <EricBlade> Skype is on
Dec 15 07:30:02 <Abyssul> Who wants to test the new script with Skype? :p
Dec 15 07:30:16 * patrickc doesnt want to doctor yet again lol
Dec 15 07:30:22 * Jack87 is tempted to install VM
Dec 15 07:30:28 <patrickc> Jack87: why>
Dec 15 07:30:31 <Abyssul> You can try my new script :p
Dec 15 07:30:34 <patrickc> s/>/?/
Dec 15 07:30:34 <infobot> patrickc meant: Jack87: why?
Dec 15 07:30:49 <Jack87> new computer.. not linux on it yet
Dec 15 07:30:55 <patrickc> skype doesnt like the username i gave it lol
Dec 15 07:30:57 <Jack87> why else do you think i havent dived in
Dec 15 07:31:26 <patrickc> i didnt think u had a frankenpre2
Dec 15 07:31:37 <Abyssul> I never use skype anyways lol
Dec 15 07:31:39 <patrickc> figured u would have switched to a GSM carrier by now :)
Dec 15 07:31:47 <patrickc> i use skype all the time
Dec 15 07:31:54 <patrickc> hoping itll be on whatever phone i get tomorrow
Dec 15 07:32:00 <EricBlade> having some problems getting bluetooth connected between the TP and Pre
Dec 15 07:33:32 <Abyssul> EricBlade, keep working at it
Dec 15 07:33:35 <Abyssul> I had to try a few times
Dec 15 07:34:19 <patrickc> weird
Dec 15 07:34:30 <patrickc> i must be putting in invalid creds for this skype accounts
Dec 15 07:34:38 <EricBlade> got it, i had to start the connection from the Pre
Dec 15 07:34:38 <patrickc> syncs perfectly with mine, but not my dads
Dec 15 07:34:47 <EricBlade> i have a notification of a new voicemail on my TouchPad
Dec 15 07:34:56 <Jack87> patrick ya i have frankenpre2 had one before you did if i recall correctly. although you had a pre2 before i did.
Dec 15 07:34:58 <Abyssul> I wonder what is the best patch feed for 2.2.4
Dec 15 07:35:31 <EricBlade> the volume control on my touchpad -completely- fails to control the phone volume
Dec 15 07:35:57 <Jack87> Abyssul, add all of them?
Dec 15 07:36:04 <Jack87> and let us know what works
Dec 15 07:36:18 <patrickc> ll
Dec 15 07:36:20 <patrickc> lol*
Dec 15 07:36:22 <Abyssul> hmmm
Dec 15 07:36:35 <Abyssul> I have a com.palm.app.awbridge app with the moon icon
Dec 15 07:36:40 <Abyssul> ideas?
Dec 15 07:36:45 <patrickc> open it?
Dec 15 07:36:49 <EricBlade> 2.2.4 phone keypad is .. not right
Dec 15 07:36:59 <patrickc> EricBlade: huh?
Dec 15 07:37:01 <Jack87> whats going on
Dec 15 07:37:34 <EricBlade> the letters are partially into the next key below
Dec 15 07:38:01 <Abyssul> it was after a rescan
Dec 15 07:38:09 <EricBlade> at least when a call is in progress.
Dec 15 07:38:14 <Abyssul> i know what you mean Eric
Dec 15 07:38:40 <Jack87> so the stuff is no peportionet to the pre screen?
Dec 15 07:39:03 <Abyssul> It could be better
Dec 15 07:39:09 <EricBlade> ok, if you're in a call, and have the dialpad up, the key labels are not lined up right
Dec 15 07:39:18 <EricBlade> the touchpad volume control -does not- work for the phone
Dec 15 07:39:28 <EricBlade> it is at absolute maximum period
Dec 15 07:40:06 <Jack87> wow what the hell were they thinking
Dec 15 07:40:18 <Abyssul> Eg, its not that bad
Dec 15 07:40:34 <Abyssul> Ive seen worse bugs. This is cosmetic
Dec 15 07:40:45 <patrickc> easily fixed with a patch im sure
Dec 15 07:40:59 <EricBlade> things like that should -never- get through in commercial software though
Dec 15 07:41:00 <Jack87> Abyssul, thats what i mean.. what the hell were they thinking releasing something so stupid like that
Dec 15 07:41:21 <dwc-> they uh, sorta didn't?
Dec 15 07:41:34 <Jack87> dwc-, EricBlade is running stock
Dec 15 07:42:03 <Abyssul> wait til you update. Its not a big deal, except maybe the volume thing
Dec 15 07:42:14 <dwc-> 2.2.4 on a device that doesn't OTA to 2.2.4 and I'll bet $5 doesn't get a 2.2.4 doctor with serial # on www.palm.com/rom
Dec 15 07:42:27 <EricBlade> dwc-: worked fine here
Dec 15 07:42:40 <EricBlade> would you like my Paypal?
Dec 15 07:42:47 <Abyssul> Haha
Dec 15 07:42:54 <dwc-> www.palm.com/rom gives you a 2.2.4 doctor?
Dec 15 07:42:59 <Abyssul> The doctor was released for all EU and NA GSM Pre2s
Dec 15 07:43:05 <Abyssul> I think?
Dec 15 07:43:13 <dwc-> mine doesn't
Dec 15 07:43:37 <EricBlade> i haven't tried to get a doctor from the official page yet, but it does show as 2.2.4 on my palm profile
Dec 15 07:43:40 <dwc-> they offer me 2.1.0
Dec 15 07:43:42 <rwhitby> Abyssul: it was not
Dec 15 07:43:56 <Abyssul> How did we get the link then?
Dec 15 07:44:05 <Abyssul> Algorithmic magic?
Dec 15 07:44:15 <rwhitby> There are some questions that are better left unasked.
Dec 15 07:44:15 <EricBlade> hm. yeah, it does only give me an option for 2.1.0 at the moment.
Dec 15 07:44:25 <Abyssul> Btw rwhitby, I have new script updates
Dec 15 07:44:31 <Abyssul> The originals left out skype
Dec 15 07:44:33 <dwc-> little birdies, etc
Dec 15 07:44:48 <rwhitby> Abyssul: have you worked out how to not have them in some weird file encoding format yet?
Dec 15 07:45:18 <Abyssul> I dont catch your drift
Dec 15 07:45:26 <Abyssul> Ill check
Dec 15 07:45:51 <Jack87> official site does 2.1.0 for my NA pre2
Dec 15 07:45:58 <Abyssul> Its in UNIX format
Dec 15 07:46:03 <Abyssul> (via Notepad++)
Dec 15 07:46:20 <rwhitby> Abyssul: very first byte of the file is not 7 bit ascii
Dec 15 07:46:39 <Abyssul> o.O
Dec 15 07:46:52 <Abyssul> How do I check that lol
Dec 15 07:46:56 <Abyssul> Thats over my head
Dec 15 07:47:15 <rwhitby> does your editor have an option for saving as plain text?
Dec 15 07:47:16 <dwc-> http://www.webdesignerforum.co.uk/topic/16303-notepad-bom/
Dec 15 07:47:45 <rwhitby> ascii, 7 bit. no utf, no extended character support. plain old 70's teletypewriter ascii.
Dec 15 07:47:48 <EricBlade> ok i got logged into skype and all that happy stuff, however, i'm still waiting for the app restore to finish.  gotta love how it sends me -everything-
Dec 15 07:48:24 <Abyssul> How can I check though? Id be glad to look into it
Dec 15 07:48:39 <rwhitby> check dwc's link
Dec 15 07:48:39 <Abyssul> I have Encode UTF-8 without BOM
Dec 15 07:48:42 <EricBlade> Maps update needs to be installed still it seems to say
Dec 15 07:48:44 <dwc-> use 'file' on the meta script
Dec 15 07:50:11 <dwc-> the one you sent earlier said
Dec 15 07:50:14 <dwc-> meta-sprint-franken-unlocked-pre2-2.2.4: UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) English text
Dec 15 07:50:23 <dwc-> you want it to look like
Dec 15 07:50:24 <dwc-> meta-sprint-franken-unlocked-pre2-2.1.0: Bourne-Again shell script text executable
Dec 15 07:50:58 <Abyssul> hmmm
Dec 15 07:51:27 <EricBlade> The Mobile Hotspot app does not -appear- to work
Dec 15 07:51:39 <Abyssul> Back to Ubuntu >.<
Dec 15 07:53:07 <EricBlade> oh, have to connect manually it doesn't broadcast ssid
Dec 15 07:54:11 <Jack87> check to see if its an option
Dec 15 07:54:32 <EricBlade> TouchPad attempts to load websites briefly when connected, then comes back with "No Internet Connection" after a short while.  This may be simply because T-Mobile absolutely -blows- here.
Dec 15 07:54:41 <Jack87> key thing would be if freetether worked :)
Dec 15 07:55:05 <Jack87> EricBlade, is there a way to see if your TP got an IP?
Dec 15 07:55:18 <Jack87> go into your wifi settings and see if you have an actual IP
Dec 15 07:55:27 <dwc-> or open a terminal and 'ip addr'
Dec 15 07:55:40 <EricBlade> yeah it appears to .. it's the same settings as were in the mobile hotspot app.  maybe the carrier is going "whoa wtf?"
Dec 15 07:55:56 <Abyssul> FixedFixed
Dec 15 07:55:58 <Jack87> whats the tp ip look like
Dec 15 07:56:15 <Abyssul> http://www.mediafire.com/?81pbtsmr6g7q86b
Dec 15 07:56:25 <Jack87> the local ip connected to your hotspot
Dec 15 07:56:31 <EricBlade> Jack87: 10.1.1.50, subnet 255.255.255.0, gateway 10.1.1.11, dns 10.1.1.11
Dec 15 07:56:32 <Abyssul> Sprint Navi works
Dec 15 07:56:35 <Jack87> ya looks good
Dec 15 07:57:04 <Jack87> tmobile doesnt use 3g for the pre2 though. so i would bet thats it
Dec 15 07:57:11 <EricBlade> GVoice immediately reports that it is offline
Dec 15 07:57:24 <EricBlade> and wtf, i -thought- i had the problem where you couldn't enter messages while offline fixed
Dec 15 07:57:25 <Jack87> i bet that has to do with the developer who created it!
Dec 15 07:57:27 <Jack87> ;)
Dec 15 07:57:28 <dwc-> his edge is worse than mine... edge on mine is slow but the touchpad usually doesn't have a problem with it
Dec 15 07:58:52 <Abyssul> Later peeps. Im about to pass out from all this awesomeness :p
Dec 15 07:58:55 <Jack87> i get it sometimes with sprint even!... well i think prolly when it drops off 3g
Dec 15 07:59:02 <Jack87> Abyssul, sleep good
Dec 15 07:59:14 <Abyssul> Im guessing Patrick left
Dec 15 07:59:31 <patrickc> nope
Dec 15 07:59:31 <patrickc> lol
Dec 15 07:59:35 <patrickc> just been lurking
Dec 15 07:59:38 <Abyssul> You get to bed too o.O
Dec 15 07:59:43 <patrickc> haha
Dec 15 07:59:45 <patrickc> thats where im headed
Dec 15 07:59:57 <patrickc> the benefits of being homescholled :P
Dec 15 08:00:24 <Jack87> Abyssul, new script
Dec 15 08:00:26 <Jack87> where is it
Dec 15 08:00:34 <Jack87> oh i see
Dec 15 08:00:34 <Jack87> nm
Dec 15 08:00:39 <patrickc> night all
Dec 15 08:01:02 <Jack87> night night you two sprint 2.2.4 folk
Dec 15 08:01:16 <patrickc> the few, the proud :)
Dec 15 08:03:31 <wrea> the lame
Dec 15 08:04:10 <EricBlade> ok it says it's done restoring my apps, looks like i need to get Maps updated, reboot, and see what else is in here
Dec 15 08:04:25 <EricBlade> the phone has started running ridiculously slowly now
Dec 15 08:05:17 <rwhitby> all the background syncing going on
Dec 15 08:05:31 <EricBlade> hmm. i had zero info on it.. but maybe it's syncing my skype now
Dec 15 08:05:35 <rwhitby> ls-monitor will show you the firestorm happening
Dec 15 08:05:38 <Abyssul> Im disappointed by the lack of enyo
Dec 15 08:06:00 <patrickc> lack of?
Dec 15 08:06:12 <Abyssul> On 2.2.4
Dec 15 08:06:13 <Jack87> lol maybe maps will add it in
Dec 15 08:06:22 <patrickc> its there for me?
Dec 15 08:06:25 <Abyssul> I already downloaded and updated maps
Dec 15 08:06:27 <EricBlade> hmm. it says i have maps 3.1.32. i accidentally hit "don't install" when it prompted me to download it.  it refuses to run.
Dec 15 08:06:34 <patrickc> i see it in /usr/palm/frameworks
Dec 15 08:06:44 <Abyssul> I mean the USE of enyo
Dec 15 08:06:47 <EricBlade> oh now it run, 3rd time is the charm
Dec 15 08:06:49 <Abyssul> I have it installed
Dec 15 08:07:01 <Abyssul> just that all the apps still rely on mojo
Dec 15 08:07:21 <EricBlade> aside from it having dumped a bunch of crap into the wrong pages of my launcher, everything looks to be intact
Dec 15 08:07:36 <Abyssul> lol
Dec 15 08:08:40 <patrickc> Abyssul: thats because its still a phone :)
Dec 15 08:08:47 <patrickc> the pre3 still heavily uses mojo
Dec 15 08:09:00 <EricBlade> enyo really kind of blows on the phones
Dec 15 08:09:02 <Abyssul> LAAAMMMEE
Dec 15 08:09:08 <Abyssul> Yeah right...
Dec 15 08:09:12 <Abyssul> Have you seen the Theme Manager?
Dec 15 08:09:30 <Jack87> theme manager?
Dec 15 08:09:38 <patrickc> from sconix
Dec 15 08:09:50 <Abyssul> Makes me scream like a little girl
Dec 15 08:09:50 <Jack87> official or homebrew app?
Dec 15 08:10:01 <rwhitby> homebrew
Dec 15 08:10:06 * Jack87 doesnt really use themes but thinks thats awesome
Dec 15 08:10:16 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 15 08:10:20 <Jack87> adios
Dec 15 08:10:22 <patrickc> cya rwhitby
Dec 15 08:11:02 <EricBlade> well i can't just go and download GVoice for the Pre3 on it, because it's still marked as Pre3 only... but...
Dec 15 08:11:07 <EricBlade> let's see how this works
Dec 15 08:12:02 <panel> hello
Dec 15 08:12:19 <Abyssul> RUN FOR THE HILLS
Dec 15 08:12:44 <patrickc> night all
Dec 15 08:12:47 <patrickc> forrealz
Dec 15 08:13:27 <Jack87> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003O6E1JS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20&ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Dec 15 08:13:30 <Jack87> fun!
Dec 15 08:15:00 <EricBlade> hmm. i've lost 20% charge while screwing with this
Dec 15 08:16:05 <EricBlade> Enyo Hybrid Plugins work ! wooooot
Dec 15 08:16:24 <Jack87> gvoice works?
Dec 15 08:16:35 <Jack87> voice mail works in gvoice?
Dec 15 08:18:51 <EricBlade> well, sort of
Dec 15 08:19:03 <EricBlade> ok, the MAP seems to be a bear to get working
Dec 15 08:19:41 <Jack87> what does sort of mean?
Dec 15 08:19:56 * Jack87 needs google voice voice mail on pre2 bad!
Dec 15 08:19:57 <EricBlade> Jack87: well, you have to use Flash to get voice mail from GVoice
Dec 15 08:20:19 <Jack87> but you can still listen to your voice mail?
Dec 15 08:20:26 <Jack87> is it a hassel or it just uses flash plugin
Dec 15 08:20:46 <EricBlade> well, it pops open a web browser to a page that loads the google flash plugin
Dec 15 08:21:06 <rwhitby> EricBlade: well, you can just download GVoice onto the Pre 2 if you have App Tuckerbox ...
Dec 15 08:21:09 <Jack87> hum... mobile google voice page never works for voice mail for me.
Dec 15 08:21:37 <EricBlade> on TouchPad, it actually generates the page directly on device, but we can't do that on the Pre that i'm aware of, so I have a page on my server that generates it
Dec 15 08:21:49 <EricBlade> rwhitby: or i just sideloaded it :D
Dec 15 08:21:55 <EricBlade> i can do that, it's my app
Dec 15 08:22:54 <Jack87> rwhitby, what is app tuckerbox?
Dec 15 08:23:05 <Jack87> is it something you are working on?
Dec 15 08:23:13 <rwhitby> yup
Dec 15 08:23:22 <rwhitby> "Your Apps On Your Devices"
Dec 15 08:23:32 <EricBlade> the fact that my iPod receives notification of my GVoice messages before they actually even show up on Google Voice is a bit.. annoying.
Dec 15 08:23:52 <EricBlade> ok, MAP isn't working between the Pre2 and the TP, I don't have the option on the TouchPad
Dec 15 08:24:06 <Jack87> holy shit.. i have 79 purchased apps? really?
Dec 15 08:24:07 <EricBlade> and the only notification i'm getting is that the phone has a voicemail
Dec 15 08:24:37 * Jack87 does not remember buying that meany apps
Dec 15 08:25:34 <EricBlade> oh wait
Dec 15 08:25:44 <EricBlade> the messages are appearing on my touchpad, but they aren't giving me any indicator
Dec 15 08:26:00 <Jack87> when you get replies tp does not notify?
Dec 15 08:26:39 <Jack87> when you get replies tp does not notify?
Dec 15 08:27:07 <Jack87> rwhitby, is imposta showing actually paid for apps?
Dec 15 08:27:16 <rwhitby> yes
Dec 15 08:27:24 <EricBlade1> gvoice is running uselessly slowly on here.
Dec 15 08:28:01 <Jack87> holy shit.. i guess it adds up over the years
Dec 15 08:28:25 <EricBlade1> crap, i have Show Notifications off so that I don't receive a million notifications for Skype messages
Dec 15 08:28:39 <rwhitby> Jack87: tweet the screenshot to @apptuckerbox and we can get you in the beta
Dec 15 08:29:08 <Jack87> rwhitby, i dunno how to tweet
Dec 15 08:29:25 <Jack87> lol at least tween a screenie.. ill try to figure it out
Dec 15 08:31:13 <Jack87> rwhitby, do you need more testers?
Dec 15 08:33:08 <panel> rwhitby thank you for yesterdays advice :)
Dec 15 08:34:48 <rwhitby> Jack87: sure
Dec 15 08:37:50 <Jack87> rwhitby, is there a way to tweet from phone?
Dec 15 08:38:34 <Jack87> figured it out
Dec 15 08:39:03 <Jack87> did it work
Dec 15 08:40:34 <rwhitby> is there an app in there that starts with org. ?
Dec 15 08:41:01 <Jack87> negative
Dec 15 08:41:09 * Jack87 doesnt have documentation app
Dec 15 08:42:20 <panel> rwhitby thank you for 2.2.4 webos doctor for pre2, donation sent :)
Dec 15 08:47:55 <rwhitby> Jack87: are you going to be around for a little while?
Dec 15 08:48:30 <Jack87> yeah. doing a research paper ill be around for a bit longer or until they kick me out of school
Dec 15 09:03:36 <EricBlade1> the Skype on 2.2.4 seems -way- more reliable than on the TouchPad. and the sound quality is fantastic
Dec 15 09:04:42 <Jack87> EricBlade1, i never had issues on the toucpad
Dec 15 09:04:47 <Jack87> my mom uses it to talk to family in armenia
Dec 15 09:05:12 <EricBlade1> Jack87: i'm logged in on both at this exact moment, and my TouchPad shows one person logged in in my friends list, my phone shows about 30
Dec 15 09:05:18 <EricBlade1> which agrees with what my PC shows
Dec 15 09:05:29 * Jack87 only has like 4 people lol
Dec 15 09:05:47 <EricBlade1> i've never been able to see my girlfriend's Skype account from my TouchPad, no matter what device she was logged into, worked fine from my Pre to her laptop
Dec 15 09:07:20 <EricBlade1> i can't even delete half the conversations on the touchpad, and the other half just deleted themselves apparently
Dec 15 09:08:25 <EricBlade1> interestingly, right after i logged in with Skype on the TouchPad, for the first time in ages, Spaz popped up a new message alert.  why did Spaz start talking to me when I brought up Skype?
Dec 15 09:17:31 <EricBlade> yeah i just tried adjusting the call volume with TouchVol, it looks like nothing affects the voice volume -at all-
Dec 15 10:07:55 <Jack87> EricBlade, how are you always up so late
Dec 15 14:02:38 <RWings19> anyone know how to fix the error where the app catalog won't load, following a Doctoring procedure?
Dec 15 14:08:14 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Dec 15 14:18:13 <Shiggs|MB> herro
Dec 15 14:30:37 <RWings19> is there any way to pay for an app, then somehow download the .ipk without having to use the app catalog?
Dec 15 16:59:36 <Abyssul> What feed should I temporarily use for 2.2.4 to test compatible patches?
Dec 15 17:35:58 <Abyssul> Haha MMS on TP, no go
Dec 15 17:44:23 <Abyssul> No improvement in mojo performance according to Lithium BenchMark
Dec 15 17:55:22 <summatusmentis> hi all, I've been trying to meta-doc my sprint pre2, but I keep being told "webosdoctorp102verizonwireless-2.1.0.jar did not download properly.  Please run this script again."
Dec 15 17:55:34 <summatusmentis> I've run the script twice, and the .jar file downloads fully each time
Dec 15 17:55:38 <Abyssul> Doctor with the new meta script?
Dec 15 17:55:42 <Abyssul> for 2.2.4?
Dec 15 17:55:50 <summatusmentis> right, that's what I'm trying to do
Dec 15 17:56:03 <Abyssul> That means the MD5 sum doesnt match with your download
Dec 15 17:56:21 <Abyssul> Make clobber and delete any previous downloads
Dec 15 17:56:23 <Abyssul> and retry
Dec 15 17:56:54 <summatusmentis> ok, I'll try that
Dec 15 17:59:54 <summatusmentis> this is a completely separate question, but in the maemo days, I used to be able to launch apps directly from a chroot. Could I do something similar from an android chroot on webOS?
Dec 15 18:00:10 <summatusmentis> that is, is it possible to launch android apps running in an android chroot in the webOS env?
Dec 15 18:00:28 <Abyssul> Highly doubt it, but I dont know enough
Dec 15 18:00:45 <Abyssul> Maybe it will be more possible when webOS is open source
Dec 15 18:01:28 <Abyssul> Agh, someone has my Abyssul name in Twitter :(
Dec 15 18:02:02 <summatusmentis> Abyssul: I got the same error
Dec 15 18:02:17 <summatusmentis> after "make clobber" and "rm downloads/*"
Dec 15 18:02:42 <Abyssul> Hmm let me check into it. Give me a minute
Dec 15 18:02:47 <summatusmentis> sue
Dec 15 18:02:48 <summatusmentis> sure*
Dec 15 18:03:10 <Abyssul> which script
Dec 15 18:03:18 <Abyssul> Verizon?
Dec 15 18:04:28 <summatusmentis> yeh
Dec 15 18:05:22 <summatusmentis> I should be running the verizon script if the pre2 was originally a verizon pre2, right?
Dec 15 18:07:27 <Abyssul> Yeah
Dec 15 18:07:34 <summatusmentis> well, wait, it's maybe truncating
Dec 15 18:07:36 <summatusmentis> how big is that doctor supposed to be?
Dec 15 18:07:43 <Abyssul> 200mb ish?
Dec 15 18:07:49 <summatusmentis> I'm getting a size of 188386871
Dec 15 18:08:14 <summatusmentis> ok, yeah, that's 188mb-ish
Dec 15 18:08:37 <Abyssul> weird. Im getting a different MD5 sum than the script as well
Dec 15 18:08:50 <Abyssul> can you run a MD5 sum on the .jar
Dec 15 18:09:36 <summatusmentis> I'm downloading it separately, as well as re-running the script
Dec 15 18:09:47 <summatusmentis> does the script delete the file when it doesn't find the right md5?
Dec 15 18:09:53 <Abyssul> No wait, its the same MD5
Dec 15 18:10:08 <Abyssul> You must be having trouble with downloading the jar
Dec 15 18:10:19 <Abyssul> or... damnit
Dec 15 18:10:31 <Abyssul> I didnt replace the link
Dec 15 18:10:39 <summatusmentis> 643824a4c103e266fd8e2760b098815c is the md5sum of the one I downloaded
Dec 15 18:10:56 <summatusmentis> (outside of script)
Dec 15 18:10:58 <Abyssul> My bad, the script is broken lol
Dec 15 18:11:10 <summatusmentis> >:(
Dec 15 18:11:16 <summatusmentis> ok, I'll sit tight
Dec 15 18:11:39 <Abyssul> Open the script and replace the CDMA_JAR_URL to http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre2/p210r0d08162011/ver1z0np210rod/webosdoctorp102verizonwireless.jar
Dec 15 18:11:50 <Abyssul> I cant modify the script. rwhitby can.
Dec 15 18:12:18 <Abyssul> Your the first one to test it, so I knew it wouldnt go as planned lol
Dec 15 18:12:56 <summatusmentis> ok, trying the script again
Dec 15 18:13:56 <Abyssul> I knew something was wrong with 2.2.4....
Dec 15 18:14:17 <Abyssul> (the OS, not script)
Dec 15 18:14:26 <Abyssul> The notification icons are blurry and bigger
Dec 15 18:19:07 <summatusmentis> you know what would be neat? data transferring touchstones
Dec 15 18:19:17 <Abyssul> did the script work?
Dec 15 18:19:35 <summatusmentis> it got past the downloading part
Dec 15 18:19:42 <summatusmentis> I'm still seeing if it was successful
Dec 15 18:19:42 <Abyssul> Good, it should work then
Dec 15 18:20:00 <summatusmentis> is there a patch I should submit somewhere?
Dec 15 18:23:06 <PatrickC> Abyssul, ping
Dec 15 18:23:33 <dwc-> if you put it in a pastebin and tell rwhitby, I bet he'll take it
Dec 15 18:23:52 <PatrickC> Abyssul, did u see this too? http://goo.gl/NP4UY
Dec 15 18:24:05 <summatusmentis> I suppose the webos-internals repo isn't just open for anyone to commit against
Dec 15 18:24:05 <Abyssul> One sec
Dec 15 18:24:24 <Abyssul> summatusmentis, for the script? No. Rod should see my reference when he gets back
Dec 15 18:24:37 <Abyssul> no patrickC
Dec 15 18:24:47 <PatrickC> i wonder how safe it is to take the update?
Dec 15 18:24:51 <Abyssul> Probably the same as 2.1
Dec 15 18:24:58 <Abyssul> Go for it
Dec 15 18:25:09 <PatrickC> o
Dec 15 18:25:10 <PatrickC> ok*
Dec 15 18:25:14 <PatrickC> ill let u know what happens
Dec 15 18:25:54 <summatusmentis> Abyssul: mk
Dec 15 18:26:09 <summatusmentis> I'll just put it somewhere, and point rwhitby to it
Dec 15 18:27:42 <Abyssul> I hope this fixes the UI scaling
Dec 15 18:27:49 <PatrickC> UI scaling?
Dec 15 18:27:51 <Abyssul> (my patch)
Dec 15 18:27:57 * PatrickC reads backlog
Dec 15 18:27:58 <Abyssul> The notification icons are blurry and larger than normal
Dec 15 18:28:07 <PatrickC> ah
Dec 15 18:28:33 <Abyssul> Do you see it too?
Dec 15 18:28:42 <PatrickC> i havent used the pre2 much
Dec 15 18:28:49 <PatrickC> ive been doing school. the pre2 is my dads
Dec 15 18:29:17 <PatrickC> Abyssul, booting. the update is done applying
Dec 15 18:29:33 <Abyssul> Probably no differnece
Dec 15 18:29:36 <PatrickC> i tried to get a screenshot of the update screen before it shut down to apply the update
Dec 15 18:29:38 <Abyssul> but at least its successful
Dec 15 18:29:40 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/X7XejTzy <- 2.2.4 verizon meta-doc script patch, fixes the download URL
Dec 15 18:29:46 <PatrickC> probably.. but there might be
Dec 15 18:30:10 <Abyssul> I know for 2.1.0 it fixed voice dialing
Dec 15 18:30:23 <PatrickC> i never tried it on here
Dec 15 18:30:33 <PatrickC> so u wanna try and see if it works? maybe this did the same thing
Dec 15 18:30:47 <Abyssul> I dont get the notification
Dec 15 18:30:55 <PatrickC> for the update?
Dec 15 18:30:58 <Abyssul> Yep
Dec 15 18:31:12 <summatusmentis> wait, what fixed voice dialing?
Dec 15 18:31:16 <PatrickC> ok. i about had a heart atack lol
Dec 15 18:31:24 <PatrickC> there was no radios turned on
Dec 15 18:31:27 <PatrickC> and it didnt say sprint
Dec 15 18:31:31 <PatrickC> i thought something broke lol
Dec 15 18:31:53 <Abyssul> summatusmentis, when you used the 2.1.0 meta doctor it would prompt for a faux 2.1.0 update that didnt do anything but fixed voice dialing
Dec 15 18:32:01 <summatusmentis> oh
Dec 15 18:32:05 <summatusmentis> interesting
Dec 15 18:32:06 <Abyssul> (and removed carrier apps)
Dec 15 18:33:00 <summatusmentis> you know what would be neat? if webos-internals were able to provide OTA updates to all devices
Dec 15 18:33:15 <summatusmentis> although, I suppose they don't have rights to distribute yet
Dec 15 18:33:20 <Abyssul> Someone mentioned that last night
Dec 15 18:33:51 <Abyssul> Totally plausible, but difficult to implement
Dec 15 18:33:57 <PatrickC> i think rwhitby said u had to have a special server
Dec 15 18:34:04 <PatrickC> Jack87|Away, was the one who mentioned it iirc
Dec 15 18:34:41 <PatrickC> has someone made a 2.2.4 meta-doctor for the pre3?
Dec 15 18:34:59 <summatusmentis> can they?
Dec 15 18:35:08 <PatrickC> why wouldnt they be able to?
Dec 15 18:35:08 <Abyssul> There isn no point
Dec 15 18:35:15 <PatrickC> how come?
Dec 15 18:35:16 <Abyssul> 2.2.4 = 2.2.3
Dec 15 18:35:21 <Abyssul> Just different devices
Dec 15 18:35:32 <PatrickC> it fixes the google sync problems? doesnt it?
Dec 15 18:35:46 <Abyssul> Why wouldnt 2.2.4 fix the problem?
Dec 15 18:35:55 <Abyssul> Oh
Dec 15 18:35:56 <Abyssul> idk
Dec 15 18:35:57 <PatrickC> thats what im saying
Dec 15 18:36:07 <Abyssul> The same reason we couldnt put 2.2.3 on a Pre2
Dec 15 18:36:27 <PatrickC> what about other legacy devices?
Dec 15 18:36:40 <PatrickC> pre+/- or veer?
Dec 15 18:37:29 <Abyssul> Veer already has a 2.2.x version
Dec 15 18:37:36 <Abyssul> Pre+/- is plausible
Dec 15 18:37:50 <PatrickC> i have a + and a - that i can use to test on
Dec 15 18:39:40 <Abyssul> I could make a script for it
Dec 15 18:40:04 <PatrickC> if u want, make one and send it to me
Dec 15 18:40:08 <Abyssul> didnt fix the UI scaling :\
Dec 15 18:40:13 <PatrickC> i can test it later today when i get home from sprint :)
Dec 15 18:42:26 <Abyssul> Did that update fix the icon PatrickC?
Dec 15 18:42:29 <Abyssul> icons*
Dec 15 18:42:35 <PatrickC> i never saw the issue
Dec 15 18:42:49 <Abyssul> You dont notice that the notification icons are huge?
Dec 15 18:42:50 <summatusmentis> my phone is rebooting <3
Dec 15 18:42:52 <summatusmentis> 2.2.4 here I come
Dec 15 18:43:26 <Abyssul> Hmm take a SS one of you of your notification icon bar (with icons in it)
Dec 15 18:43:27 <PatrickC> hmm.. the email icon does seem a little large
Dec 15 18:43:41 <PatrickC> ok
Dec 15 18:46:12 <PatrickC> http://goo.gl/xtxRu
Dec 15 18:46:41 <Abyssul> Yep, you have the same issue
Dec 15 18:46:52 <PatrickC> ah
Dec 15 18:48:00 <PatrickC> ok
Dec 15 18:54:13 <PatrickC> Abyssul, u got sms to work with the touchpad, right?
Dec 15 18:54:23 <Abyssul> mostly
Dec 15 18:54:30 <PatrickC> mostly?
Dec 15 18:54:53 <Abyssul> idk if its intentional, but replying to texts on your phone doesnt mirror your sms to your TP
Dec 15 18:55:20 <Abyssul> so your TP is just a list of recieved messages and doesnt list sent messages unless you reply through TP
Dec 15 18:55:49 <summatusmentis> shouldn't that re-sync everytime you reconnect via BT?
Dec 15 18:55:58 <PatrickC> i think that even the pre3 does that too
Dec 15 18:56:32 <Abyssul> idk, im more worried about this annoying icon thing
Dec 15 18:57:24 <PatrickC> are people with the official update getting the error too?
Dec 15 18:57:32 <PatrickC> s/error/bug/
Dec 15 18:57:33 <infobot> PatrickC meant: are people with the official update getting the bug too?
Dec 15 18:57:39 <Abyssul> idk, i dont have anyone to ask
Dec 15 18:58:29 <PatrickC> EricBlade?
Dec 15 18:58:53 <Abyssul> Hmm try. Hes probably AFK though
Dec 15 18:58:56 * PatrickC brb
Dec 15 18:58:57 <Night-hacks> hi
Dec 15 18:58:58 <PatrickC> probably
Dec 15 18:59:23 <Night-hacks> is there any article about webOS linux compatibility ?
Dec 15 18:59:32 <Abyssul> In regards tooo....?
Dec 15 18:59:42 <Night-hacks> i want to buy pure linux device
Dec 15 19:00:25 <Abyssul> Android and webOS are as close to linux on a phone as you are gonna get (except for Ubuntu chroot through Touchpad)
Dec 15 19:00:55 <Night-hacks> android is not Linux
Dec 15 19:01:13 <Abyssul> It is linux based
Dec 15 19:01:53 <Night-hacks> yeah, i mean sth like meego, pure
Dec 15 19:02:18 <Night-hacks> i don't know anything about webOS, architecture and ...
Dec 15 19:03:07 <Night-hacks> or how much it's far from linux
Dec 15 19:03:29 <Abyssul> I cant really help you there
Dec 15 19:04:09 <Night-hacks> ok thanks for help
Dec 15 19:04:10 <Lazar_Dobrescu> well webos is linux
Dec 15 19:04:16 <Lazar_Dobrescu> it's linux on arm
Dec 15 19:04:24 <Lazar_Dobrescu> with a ui running on top
Dec 15 19:05:20 <Night-hacks> Lazar_Dobrescu: so it should be completely compatible with a compiled code with gcc-arm ?!
Dec 15 19:05:42 <Lazar_Dobrescu> with the correct version of arm architecture compiler yes... in fact
Dec 15 19:05:42 <Night-hacks> i want to know can i run current arm softwares on it or not ?
Dec 15 19:05:46 <Abyssul> Best thing I can come up with the relationship between webOS and linux
Dec 15 19:05:47 <Abyssul> http://jtokash.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/webos.png?w=500&h=414
Dec 15 19:05:57 <Lazar_Dobrescu> it you look say at the widk page, it shows how to setup the cross compiling environment
Dec 15 19:06:07 <Lazar_Dobrescu> the relationship? webos IS linux
Dec 15 19:06:23 <Abyssul> I know that
Dec 15 19:07:06 <Lazar_Dobrescu> Night-hacks: you can run current arm software yes. you can also run a x server on it and run graphical software
Dec 15 19:07:16 <Lazar_Dobrescu> although the usability differs by application with a touchscreen obviously
Dec 15 19:08:12 <Lazar_Dobrescu> also arm refers to a couple different architectures based on the same thing
Dec 15 19:08:21 <Night-hacks> so the kernel is real linux (not customized one like android) ?
Dec 15 19:08:32 <Lazar_Dobrescu> it's not a "stock" linux kernel
Dec 15 19:08:39 <Lazar_Dobrescu> but it's definitely real linux
Dec 15 19:09:05 <Lazar_Dobrescu> no idea about android.. what's customized to the point of being a problem?
Dec 15 19:09:27 <Lazar_Dobrescu> I mean if you ask if you can cross compile software for arm-linux and run it on webos devices, the answer is yes
Dec 15 19:09:53 <Night-hacks> android uses it's own C lib, so you cant run lots of linux apps on it
Dec 15 19:09:54 <Lazar_Dobrescu> ofc you have to handle all the library dependencies, not that many will be present by default
Dec 15 19:10:00 <Lazar_Dobrescu> ok... webos uses glibc
Dec 15 19:10:17 <Night-hacks> that's great
Dec 15 19:11:00 <Night-hacks> any suggestion about devices ?
Dec 15 19:11:31 <Lazar_Dobrescu> well it's not like there's 100's of em :) get a pre 3 for a full phone, a veer for a mini phone, a touchpad for a tablet :)
Dec 15 19:11:43 <Lazar_Dobrescu> if you want old hardware get a pre 2 or pre plus :)
Dec 15 19:12:34 <Night-hacks> what about high end ones  ?
Dec 15 19:12:41 <Lazar_Dobrescu> high end what
Dec 15 19:12:47 <Lazar_Dobrescu> these are pretty mucgh all the devices that exist
Dec 15 19:12:53 <Lazar_Dobrescu> except for the ioriginal pre and pixi
Dec 15 19:12:57 <Lazar_Dobrescu> which I don't recommand
Dec 15 19:13:02 <Lazar_Dobrescu> the highest end phone is the pre 3
Dec 15 19:13:13 <Night-hacks> why ?
Dec 15 19:13:20 <Lazar_Dobrescu> cause they're old and have lousy specs
Dec 15 19:13:24 <Lazar_Dobrescu> not enough ram mostly
Dec 15 19:13:45 <Lazar_Dobrescu> the pre plus is just a pre with more ram and more storage
Dec 15 19:13:49 <Lazar_Dobrescu> and it's still very good today
Dec 15 19:14:13 <Lazar_Dobrescu> but ofc the pre 3 is much more awesome
Dec 15 19:14:58 <Night-hacks> and pricier !
Dec 15 19:15:11 <Lazar_Dobrescu> obviously
Dec 15 19:15:22 <Abyssul> Does anyone have a Pre2 with an official 2.2.4 build via doctor or update?
Dec 15 19:15:25 <Lazar_Dobrescu> although for a phone with those kind of specs it's practiocally free :)
Dec 15 19:15:39 <Lazar_Dobrescu> I mean name a smartphone that came out in the last 6 months that's priced below like 500 :)
Dec 15 19:18:32 <Abyssul> PatrickC_Away, manually checking the system update screen gives me a update
Dec 15 19:21:51 <dwc-> an update from what to what?
Dec 15 19:22:07 <Abyssul> 2.2.4 to 2.2.4 lol
Dec 15 19:30:35 <Abyssul> summatusmentis, ping
Dec 15 19:36:40 <rburakou> hi everyone. i am here so Abyssul can ask me questions on webos 2.2.4
Dec 15 19:36:50 <Abyssul> Hey
Dec 15 19:36:56 <rburakou> Hallo
Dec 15 19:37:00 <Abyssul> So you have a Pre2 that was updated via update right?
Dec 15 19:37:06 <rburakou> yep
Dec 15 19:37:33 <Abyssul> Can you force some notification icons on your Pre2 (calender, email, messaging, usb, etc) and send me a screenshot of them minimized?
Dec 15 19:37:48 <Abyssul> We seem to have a problem with the icons being blurry and larger than normal
Dec 15 19:38:10 <Abyssul> We dont know if this is a bug of 2.2.4 or a problem with our doctor
Dec 15 19:38:15 <rburakou> actually, i just doctored to 2.2.4, but should i do the same?
Dec 15 19:38:24 <rburakou> the icons look somewhat 'blurry'
Dec 15 19:38:44 <Abyssul> Did you doctor with an official doctor and not meta doctor?
Dec 15 19:39:00 <rburakou> they looked the same blurry after updating OTA. I used meta doctor to enable BETA_FEEDS
Dec 15 19:39:14 <Abyssul> Seems to be a problem with 2.2.4
Dec 15 19:39:29 <Abyssul> We all have this problem where it is scalling up the notification icons
Dec 15 19:39:34 <rburakou> yeah, looks like it. maybe they mixed smth up with pre3-pre2 1.5x screen sizez
Dec 15 19:39:39 <Abyssul> Exactly
Dec 15 19:39:49 <Abyssul> Im trying to find out where to change the value (if ever possible)
Dec 15 19:40:09 <rburakou> that would be nice, actually 2.2.4 broke some css styles in my Amigo music player as well
Dec 15 19:40:13 <rburakou> i'm reworking it now
Dec 15 19:40:27 <Abyssul> The value is systemwide
Dec 15 19:40:36 <Abyssul> So it affects 3rd party app icons as well
Dec 15 19:40:49 <rburakou> no i mean not the icons, the other styles of the app
Dec 15 19:40:57 <Abyssul> Yeah
Dec 15 19:41:06 <Abyssul> PatrickC_Away, I have your pre sprint script to try
Dec 15 19:41:11 <rburakou> it was actually me incorrectly using some css, but it worked on 2.1 and broke on 2.2.4
Dec 15 19:42:23 <Abyssul> thats all i need to know
Dec 15 19:42:25 <Abyssul> Thanks
Dec 15 19:45:00 <rburakou> no problem, good luck on your findings! :)
Dec 15 19:45:12 <rburakou> contact me if anyting more is needed
Dec 15 19:45:32 <Abyssul> k
Dec 15 19:45:38 <Abyssul> PatrickC_Away, http://www.mediafire.com/?ocmjrtvyy995b73
Dec 15 19:56:16 <summatusmentis> Abyssul: what's up?
Dec 15 19:56:29 <Abyssul> can you get skype working?
Dec 15 19:56:37 <error454> Is anyone in the AU on the Optus network?
Dec 15 19:57:26 <summatusmentis> "get skype working" what does that mean?
Dec 15 19:59:40 <Abyssul> Can you log in to a skype account?
Dec 15 19:59:44 <Abyssul> on 2.2.4
Dec 15 19:59:55 <summatusmentis> lemme check
Dec 15 20:00:55 <summatusmentis> there's a "add skype account" option, it let me login, and.... created
Dec 15 20:01:12 <Abyssul> Ok good. Just makes sure since I guessed on the installation command
Dec 15 20:01:32 <summatusmentis> lolol
Dec 15 20:01:59 <summatusmentis> it's unsettling to know that this process is "ummm..... that one?"
Dec 15 20:02:09 <Abyssul> I dont have a device to test it on
Dec 15 20:02:19 <summatusmentis> oh really?
Dec 15 20:02:21 <Abyssul> Most of it is just "this seems like it will work.... nope..."
Dec 15 20:02:41 <Abyssul> I have an unlocked FrankenPre2 and I used a script that didnt include the skype ipk
Dec 15 20:06:06 <summatusmentis> oh, because the vzw pre2 had skype, but the unlocked ones didn't?
Dec 15 20:06:20 <Abyssul> No, 2.2.4 includes skype for any Pre2
Dec 15 20:06:36 <Abyssul> I forgot it in the unlocked and Verizon scripts
Dec 15 20:07:01 <summatusmentis> I don't understand?
Dec 15 20:07:10 <summatusmentis> I used the verizon script
Dec 15 20:07:39 <Abyssul> the skype portion of webOS is installed from a separate ipk that is bundled in a package outside of the WebOS.tar
Dec 15 20:07:50 <Abyssul> I forgot to include that in the script
Dec 15 20:08:05 <Abyssul> Kind've like a 3rd party carrier app
Dec 15 20:08:18 <summatusmentis> except it clearly got included?
Dec 15 20:08:44 <Abyssul> sure
Dec 15 20:08:58 <summatusmentis> ok
Dec 15 20:09:21 <summatusmentis> I think I'm missing something. If you forgot to include it in the script, how did I have it?
Dec 15 20:09:54 <Abyssul> I updated the script to have it AFTER I found out I forgot.
Dec 15 20:10:12 <Abyssul> But that was before you used the script
Dec 15 20:10:41 <summatusmentis> OOOH
Dec 15 20:10:45 <summatusmentis> that makes sense
Dec 15 20:12:17 <Abyssul> ;)
Dec 15 20:12:46 <summatusmentis> that was the crucial piece I was missing
Dec 15 20:14:03 <Abyssul> idk if this icon bug can be fixed ...
Dec 15 20:15:29 <VICODANAX> just ordered a 32gb touchpad
Dec 15 20:15:59 <Abyssul> Gratz
Dec 15 20:16:55 <VICODANAX> thanks
Dec 15 20:16:59 <VICODANAX> now what to do with my 16gb
Dec 15 20:17:32 <Abyssul> Sell it
Dec 15 20:17:39 <VICODANAX> i probably will
Dec 15 20:17:42 <VICODANAX> one problem with it though
Dec 15 20:17:46 <VICODANAX> it's got some green lines on the lcd
Dec 15 20:17:51 <VICODANAX> im not sure what to do about that
Dec 15 20:17:57 <VICODANAX> probably send it back to HP to repair it
Dec 15 20:26:44 <VICODANAX> sup EricBlade1
Dec 15 20:34:29 <Abyssul> Someone just reported they updated to 2.2.4 on a sprint FrankenPre2 with a normal unlocked-based doctor. something is wrong...
Dec 15 20:35:53 <summatusmentis> guys, I expect that when the webOS code drops, that I can then also have sms sync on my computer (not just my touchpad)
Dec 15 20:35:58 <summatusmentis> just so we're clear
Dec 15 20:36:00 <summatusmentis> make it happen :)
Dec 15 20:36:40 <summatusmentis> in fact, I assume there'd be ways to fully integrate webOS as a "shell" over any desktop OS
Dec 15 20:36:41 <Abyssul> Lol
Dec 15 20:36:59 <Abyssul> Its be nice
Dec 15 20:37:14 <EricBlade1> summatusmentis: sure you could, if your computer can connect to the bluetooth MAP profile
Dec 15 20:37:45 <summatusmentis> EricBlade1: is this uncommon?
Dec 15 20:39:01 <EricBlade1> probably just involve writing a piece of software to interpret it from the phone
Dec 15 20:39:44 <summatusmentis> it doesn't look like OS X supports MAP
Dec 15 20:40:04 <Abyssul> Seems more like a driver issue than a OS issue?
Dec 15 20:41:43 <summatusmentis> well, driver + software to interact with driver, probably
Dec 15 20:42:05 <EricBlade1> i'm connecting my pre2 to my computer atm
Dec 15 20:42:26 <EricBlade1> looks like the phone does support giving it message access
Dec 15 20:45:28 <EricBlade1> i notice that I have a "HP Pre" not a "Palm Pre" anymore
Dec 15 20:45:55 <summatusmentis> I saw that too
Dec 15 20:46:12 <EricBlade1> according to my PC, I have "AV Remote Control Target", "AV Source", "Message Access", and "OPP"
Dec 15 20:46:27 <Abyssul> Yep
Dec 15 20:46:30 <summatusmentis> "MEssage Access" should be it, right?
Dec 15 20:46:34 <EricBlade1> yeah
Dec 15 20:46:34 <Abyssul> Its a HP WebOS account now too
Dec 15 20:47:01 <Abyssul> my pre2 is sooo smoooth.
Dec 15 20:48:09 <EricBlade1> it's so smooth it's got a beard
Dec 15 20:48:25 <EricBlade1> dammit my keyboard drawer broke
Dec 15 20:48:32 <Abyssul> o.O
Dec 15 20:48:37 <summatusmentis> OS X recognizes that my pre2 has Palm MAP MAS 0
Dec 15 20:51:23 <Abyssul> Am I the only one who sees no improvement with all the system improvement patches?
Dec 15 20:51:35 <Abyssul> like disk cache, system optimization, mojo speedy patch
Dec 15 20:52:21 <EricBlade1> i can't seem to actually connect to my PC with it though
Dec 15 20:54:12 <EricBlade1> i can connect to it on the PC as a network device
Dec 15 20:56:24 <EricBlade1> i can connect to it as a remote player for audio, although i don't think that works..
Dec 15 20:56:34 <EricBlade1> win 7's bluetooth sucks
Dec 15 20:56:43 <VICODANAX> why does it suck?
Dec 15 20:56:49 <VICODANAX> you sure it's not your adapter?
Dec 15 20:56:58 <EricBlade1> in xp i could just specify what connections i wanted to make, and it would make them all
Dec 15 20:56:58 <Abyssul> There are two types of bluetooth drivers usually. The microsoft ones and the manufacturers
Dec 15 20:57:18 <EricBlade1> they both use the crappy microsoft interface to it now though
Dec 15 20:57:25 <VICODANAX> hmm
Dec 15 20:57:31 <VICODANAX> never really messed with bt on win 7
Dec 15 20:57:48 <Abyssul> yeah it is wacky
Dec 15 20:58:09 <EricBlade1> now you can only connect to services that the window givse you a "Connect to" option for
Dec 15 20:58:32 <VICODANAX> google it?
Dec 15 20:58:45 <EricBlade1> yeah my care level isn't -that- high it's time to get to work for the day
Dec 15 20:59:27 <VICODANAX> word
Dec 15 20:59:31 <EricBlade1> sure it'd be nice to be able to say "if in range of PC, then route MAP to pc" .. but it doesn't look like the phone can connect to both the PC and the TouchPad at the same time, unless it's the PC using the TouchPad as a network interface
Dec 15 20:59:35 <VICODANAX> EricBlade1 just ordered a 32gb tp
Dec 15 20:59:38 <VICODANAX> from tiger direct
Dec 15 20:59:41 <VICODANAX> stupid bundle
Dec 15 20:59:46 <VICODANAX> but at least i can get a 32gb now
Dec 15 21:00:26 <Abyssul> Ill take your speakers
Dec 15 21:00:44 <VICODANAX> yeah?
Dec 15 21:00:46 <VICODANAX> you want em?
Dec 15 21:00:51 <Abyssul> I wish
Dec 15 21:01:00 <VICODANAX> ?
Dec 15 21:01:41 <Abyssul> Ill want them for free o.O, not paying for them haha
Dec 15 21:01:57 <VICODANAX> haha
Dec 15 21:02:01 <VICODANAX> i might actually use em
Dec 15 21:02:03 <VICODANAX> we'll see
Dec 15 21:02:12 <Abyssul> Note: all the 2.2.3 advanced patches work for 2.2.4
Dec 15 21:03:59 <Abyssul> I havnt had a single 2.2.3 patch fail yet
Dec 15 21:05:16 <Abyssul> I dont blame you. They get a 4/5 stars on amazon
Dec 15 21:08:09 <EricBlade1> messaging app in 3.0.4 sucks
Dec 15 21:08:20 <Abyssul> Its subpar
Dec 15 21:08:38 <VICODANAX> is 3.0.6 going to get released?
Dec 15 21:08:48 <wrea> eventually
Dec 15 21:08:49 <EricBlade1> when i open a messaging conversation, it's not scrolled into view
Dec 15 21:08:52 <Abyssul> u mean 3.0.5?
Dec 15 21:08:54 <EricBlade1> VICODANAX: maybe after 3.0.5
Dec 15 21:09:10 <wrea> well, it seems odd numbers are the test versions
Dec 15 21:09:19 <EricBlade1> you're an odd number
Dec 15 21:09:36 <VICODANAX> yeah that's what i thought wrea
Dec 15 21:09:44 <wrea> went from 3.0.0 to 3.0.2 to 3.0.4
Dec 15 21:10:30 <wrea> And yes, i am an odd number indeed
Dec 15 21:10:59 <EricBlade> ok, so i've got skype and map working on 2.2.4, i have tried the mobile hotspot, and that didn't seem to work .. anything else that needs to be checked
Dec 15 21:11:09 <VICODANAX> the the odd numbers are testing releases
Dec 15 21:11:10 <Abyssul> I just remember WOSI tweeting "which will come first, 2.2.4 or 3.0.5"
Dec 15 21:16:57 <wrea> well, if the current pattern of odd number releases are testing and for early access only, then 3.0.5 will never be released
Dec 15 21:17:26 <Abyssul> Wasnt 3.0.5 released on 64gb ATT TP's?
Dec 15 21:18:12 <VICODANAX> Abyssul: no
Dec 15 21:18:17 <EricBlade> those have 3.0.4 now
Dec 15 21:18:51 <Abyssul> oh
Dec 15 21:19:01 <Abyssul> well reports are that the RC of the next update is 3.0.5
Dec 15 21:20:09 <wrea> I'll bet $1000 in monopoly money final is 3.0.6
Dec 15 21:20:26 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: fixed
Dec 15 21:20:36 <rwhitby> Abyssul: pushed fix
Dec 15 21:21:52 <Abyssul> Thanks, the scripts seem to work rwhitby
Dec 15 21:22:11 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: cool
Dec 15 21:22:22 <Abyssul> Do you have any leads on why the dashboard notification icons are scaled a little big and blurry?
Dec 15 21:22:36 <EricBlade> bigger is better ?
Dec 15 21:22:37 <Abyssul> I couldnt find anything
Dec 15 21:28:51 <Abyssul> and just like that he vanished
Dec 15 21:31:03 <Abyssul> Anyone wanna test my pre 2.2.4 script?
Dec 15 21:31:36 <EricBlade> for which pre
Dec 15 21:31:45 <Abyssul> Regular pre
Dec 15 21:31:49 <Abyssul> sprint
Dec 15 21:31:59 <EricBlade> i have a sprint pre- and a att pre+
Dec 15 21:32:27 <rwhitby> Abyssul: I'll take a look at the Pre- 2.2.4 script
Dec 15 21:32:33 <Abyssul> Ok
Dec 15 21:32:37 <Abyssul> Nvm then lol
Dec 15 21:33:02 <rwhitby> No, I mean I'll take a look at the script you have written
Dec 15 21:33:07 <Abyssul> Oh
Dec 15 21:33:17 <Abyssul> let me find it
Dec 15 21:33:27 * rwhitby would never do work when someone else has already done it
Dec 15 21:33:50 <Abyssul> http://www.mediafire.com/?ocmjrtvyy995b73
Dec 15 21:34:05 <EricBlade> battery lifetime seems to be quite terrible on 2.2.4
Dec 15 21:34:21 <Abyssul> I havnt tested battery life, but I would give it a day or so
Dec 15 21:34:28 <EricBlade> 22% in an hour or so
Dec 15 21:35:24 <EricBlade> i don't know what the condition of this battery is, though.  i figured i'd run the batteries i got with each of the phones till death before replacing them
Dec 15 21:35:59 <summatusmentis> so, 2.2.4 is less touchy about recognizing "partial slide up to unlock the phone"
Dec 15 21:36:14 <summatusmentis> or I guess "to turn the screen on"
Dec 15 21:36:16 <summatusmentis> which bites
Dec 15 21:41:16 <Abyssul> rwhitby: what do you think of this? http://forums.webosnation.com/palm-pre-2/308295-webos-2-2-4-update-available-pre2-11.html#post3265762
Dec 15 21:42:52 <rwhitby> Abyssul: the meta-sprint-pre script is missing lots of stuff from the 2.1.0 version
Dec 15 21:43:14 <Abyssul> alpha baby... :p
Dec 15 21:44:26 <rwhitby> ok, let me know when it's a modified version of the 2.1.0 script ;)
Dec 15 21:44:47 <Abyssul> I based it off the 2.1.0 script and 2.2.4 I made
Dec 15 21:45:04 <Abyssul> I dont see the point of the ATT veer doctor so I removed it since flash is built in
Dec 15 21:45:39 <Abyssul> whats missing? o.O
Dec 15 21:48:08 <rwhitby> oh, flash is built into the 2.2.4 rootfs?
Dec 15 21:48:22 <Abyssul> Yes
Dec 15 21:48:50 <rwhitby> well, I take my comments back then
Dec 15 21:49:33 <Abyssul> its built into the webOS.tar
Dec 15 21:50:37 <rwhitby> $make VERSION=2.2.4 DEVICE=preplus CARRIER=wr unpack || exit
Dec 15 21:50:40 <rwhitby> that line won't work
Dec 15 21:52:38 <Abyssul> Just going off what I know.
Dec 15 21:53:49 <rwhitby> how were you intending to handle the kernel?
Dec 15 21:55:30 <Abyssul> 1.4.5 kernel, but I wonder if it would conflict with the new MAP functionaility
Dec 15 21:57:53 <Abyssul> rwhitby, how did the original 2.1.0 script handle the kernel? Looking at it, it seems like it just took the Pre2's which doesnt seem like it would work
Dec 15 22:10:40 <rwhitby> no, it took the 2.1.0 release for the preplus
Dec 15 22:10:44 <rwhitby> which had the correct kernel
Dec 15 22:10:50 <Abyssul> Oh
Dec 15 22:11:06 <rwhitby> the pre2 kernel won't work on a Pre-
Dec 15 22:11:18 <Abyssul> Guess its no good unless there is a preplus 2.2.4 kernel
Dec 15 22:12:29 <dwc-> needs kernel sources!
Dec 15 22:15:12 <EricBlade> is 2.2.4 kernel source avail? diff 2.1.0 pre2 kernel <-> 2.1.0 preplus kernel, attempt to apply to 2.2.4 kernel? haha
Dec 15 22:15:45 <Abyssul> Nope
Dec 15 22:15:49 <Abyssul> not yet at least
Dec 15 22:20:09 <Abyssul> dwc-, do you have any clue on where to look about the dashboard icons being out of scale?
Dec 15 22:26:03 <dwc-> nope, sorry
Dec 15 23:18:06 <Abyssul> driving me nuts
Dec 15 23:51:23 <EricBlade> seems the MAP stuff is pretty unreliable
Dec 15 23:55:37 <bnceo`> sup ya
Dec 15 23:55:55 <Abyssul> hey
Dec 15 23:56:09 <wrea> hey bnceo`
Dec 15 23:56:19 <bnceo`> wrea has a script!
Dec 15 23:56:21 <bnceo`> I konw it!
Dec 15 23:56:37 <EricBlade> lol. i dial my voicemail from my touchpad, it says "Unable to place calls using this device. Try using your phone." and then it went through
Dec 15 23:56:55 <wrea> yeah totally do, has a delay so no one gets suspicious
Dec 15 23:57:04 <bnceo`> haha
Dec 15 23:57:08 <bnceo`> let me try
Dec 15 23:57:12 <bnceo`> sup ya
Dec 15 23:57:19 <Abyssul> EricBlade, same here
Dec 15 23:57:30 <rwhitby> hey bnceo`
Dec 15 23:57:36 * rwhitby just installed wrea's script
Dec 15 23:57:36 <bnceo`> booo
Dec 15 23:57:40 <wrea> lol
Dec 15 23:59:24 <bnceo`> are how the alphas for the Sprint Pre2 on 2.2.4 going?
Dec 15 23:59:56 <EricBlade> my map has stopped working and refuses to start again :(
Dec 16 00:00:12 <wrea> hmm, got 47 paid apps according to impostah
Dec 16 00:00:31 <rwhitby> so close
Dec 16 00:00:35 <Abyssul> scripts are good so far
Dec 16 00:00:51 <bnceo`> buy 3 more apps
Dec 16 00:00:54 <bnceo`> you can do it!
Dec 16 00:01:10 <wrea> lol
Dec 16 00:01:55 <wrea> yeah, looking around for any more i want
Dec 16 00:03:09 <bnceo`> good to hear Abyssul
Dec 16 00:03:25 <dwc-> I hear having the preware homebrew docs will help you with apptuckerbox
Dec 16 00:03:28 <dwc-> betas
Dec 16 00:04:18 <wrea> Me too
Dec 16 00:04:27 <wrea> Good thing I already have it :)
Dec 16 00:04:56 <Abyssul> I decided to get a twitter... highly doubt Ill use it much
Dec 16 00:05:34 <bnceo`> you can use ot to just hear news
Dec 16 00:05:37 <bnceo`> don't have to be active
Dec 16 00:05:57 <dwc-> you don't need a twitter
Dec 16 00:06:12 <Abyssul> I just use it to follow people mainly
Dec 16 00:09:52 <Abyssul> I wonder why some people are reporting that the doctor wiped their usb partition
Dec 16 00:10:57 <rwhitby> usb partitions get wiped for all sorts of reasons. that's why I tell people to assume that it will and be happy if it does not
Dec 16 00:11:17 <Abyssul> Im happy then .:p
Dec 16 00:12:07 <Abyssul> Does the doctor always flash the modem or is it optional? I had someone report they doctored their sprint frankenPre2 with an original GSM doctor.
Dec 16 00:12:36 <bnceo`> didn't the newest doctors say they wipe everything
Dec 16 00:12:49 <bnceo`> originally, they did. Then they didn't. And now, they do
Dec 16 00:13:04 <bnceo`> But also, Palm Profile backs up all texts and stuff. Which I was shocked by. Didn't know it worked
Dec 16 00:13:38 <Abyssul> They expanded the backup in 2.x
Dec 16 00:18:56 <rwhitby> Abyssul: it won't flash a cdma modem with gsm firmware
Dec 16 00:22:22 <wrea> there, 50
Dec 16 00:22:25 <Abyssul> Mm, so I guess the doctor would be a legitimate update if the kernel matches.
Dec 16 00:31:27 <EricBlade> argh, my MAP is sending, but not receiving
Dec 16 00:53:11 <EricBlade> ok rebooting phone and touchpad simultaneously got me back into MAP working. sigh.
Dec 16 01:03:34 <wrea> expecting things to work as expected? you'll learn :P
Dec 16 01:27:04 <EricBlade> ... and the MAP connection just drops for no reason
Dec 16 01:47:00 <EricBlade> ... and looks like i get to reboot my touchpad every hour or so to keep the map link running two-ways
Dec 16 01:56:17 <Darkmagister> i've some problem with home control server, i've debian i've installed nodejs and npm from repo, nodejs 0.4.12-1, npm 0.2.19-1, i do npm install hc-server e npm only say ok ... but i only have on my home a dir called .node_libraries/, inside hc-server .. i try to launch it (version 0.7.8) http://pastebin.com/MJeiJEZp here the output
Dec 16 01:56:32 <Darkmagister> i've never used nodejs so ... i don't know where touch :D
Dec 16 02:03:01 <Darkmagister> now i'm tring to compile nodejs 0.6.6 ....
Dec 16 02:05:49 <wrea> Well, I'm trying to cross compile nodejs 0.4.12
Dec 16 02:07:00 <Darkmagister> ok
Dec 16 02:07:19 <Darkmagister> i'll let you know if i'm able to compile it and if it's work :D
Dec 16 02:07:31 <wrea> you'll have better luck than me
Dec 16 02:07:55 <wrea> Darkmagister, have you reported your issue in the thread on webosnation?
Dec 16 02:08:29 <Darkmagister> no i want to try if the problem is the nodejs versione before reporting it
Dec 16 02:09:08 <Darkmagister> i've asked here because maybe someone had the same problem and already know a solution
Dec 16 02:10:00 * dwc- thinks some might consider it off-topic
Dec 16 02:10:52 <Darkmagister> really ?  dwc ? this app is on the webos-insternals wiki ... and it's an homebrew app why it's off topic?
Dec 16 02:11:50 <milehighsteez> hello
Dec 16 02:11:58 <Abyssul> Howdy
Dec 16 02:12:18 <milehighsteez> finally made it. i was making it harder than it was :P
Dec 16 02:12:34 <Abyssul> Thought so
Dec 16 02:13:06 <milehighsteez> so should i redoctor it using the standard 2.1.0 meta doctor?
Dec 16 02:13:59 <Abyssul> One sec
Dec 16 02:14:19 <milehighsteez> ok
Dec 16 02:15:46 <Abyssul> Yeah
Dec 16 02:15:54 <Abyssul> Go to 2.1.0 and delete your backup
Dec 16 02:16:32 <Abyssul> Good thing you got here. I was about to go AFK and play skyrim lol
Dec 16 02:17:19 <milehighsteez> haha
Dec 16 02:17:51 <milehighsteez> when i delete my backup
Dec 16 02:17:54 <Darkmagister> wrea it's  the done version i think ... with the 0.6.6 it's work ... i'me going to write it in the forum
Dec 16 02:18:00 <milehighsteez> will it also delete my stored sms?
Dec 16 02:18:09 <Abyssul> milehighsteez, sadly yes
Dec 16 02:18:17 <Abyssul> I think
Dec 16 02:18:56 <wrea> Darkmagister, told you you'd have better luck than me :P
Dec 16 02:19:04 <Abyssul> what does https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface tell you milehighsteez
Dec 16 02:19:51 <milehighsteez> my profile is 9.9.9 :/
Dec 16 02:19:55 <Darkmagister> :D one thing you know how to enable auto discover on home control server ? i can not fine like a config file and nothing also on the wiki
Dec 16 02:21:34 <wrea> Havent messed with Home Control much
Dec 16 02:21:42 <Abyssul> milehighsteez, let me look it up
Dec 16 02:22:10 <milehighsteez> thanks man!
Dec 16 02:22:22 <Darkmagister> ok thanks anyway
Dec 16 02:23:48 <wrea> apparently passing --verbose causes a seg fault..
Dec 16 02:25:12 <Abyssul> milehighsteez, what kind of device do you have
Dec 16 02:25:52 <milehighsteez> sprint verizon franken pre 2
Dec 16 02:30:41 <Abyssul> milehighsteez, create a new 2.1.0 meta doctor, clone the git again
Dec 16 02:31:37 <milehighsteez> should i just delete the old meta-doctor folder?
Dec 16 02:32:19 <Abyssul> you can
Dec 16 02:32:26 <Abyssul> and just run the meta doctor commands again
Dec 16 02:33:01 <milehighsteez> okay ill do it now.
Dec 16 02:47:20 <milehighsteez> abyssul,  installing 2.1 doctor now. 12% done.
Dec 16 02:49:02 <Abyssul-TP> K
Dec 16 02:57:00 <bnceo`> hmm. I wonder how common is the "call duraction" bug
Dec 16 02:57:09 <bnceo`> one here that is: http://forums.webosnation.com/palm-pre-2/308776-pre-2-webos-2-2-4-unreadable-call-duration-during-call.html
Dec 16 02:58:30 <Abyssul-TP> I just called my voicemail and i dont get it
Dec 16 02:59:10 <Abyssul-TP> But it probably will show up. Not a big deal...
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