**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 22 02:59:57 2011
Dec 22 03:25:50 <resistivecorpse> does anyone know if bootie will be going open source as well as webos?
Dec 22 03:27:16 <rwhitby> I've not seen any announcement about that
Dec 22 03:27:36 <resistivecorpse> ok, thanks. i was just curious
Dec 22 03:27:48 <rwhitby> one would hope so
Dec 22 03:34:44 <Davide-NYC> Have the Pre3 2.2.4 ATT/VZW versions of advanced system menus been released?
Dec 22 03:52:38 <lingfish> meh, sad panda.. Pre 3 AT&T, no 2.2.4 update :(
Dec 22 03:53:02 <tslout> Is the WebOS login page down for anyone else?
Dec 22 03:53:21 <tslout> Because I just doctored my touchpad and it refuses to validate my account...and then I tried to login online and I'm getting apache errors.
Dec 22 03:53:37 <tslout> Which is frustrating because the TP is useless if I can't get past the login screen.
Dec 22 03:54:16 <Abyssul_> link to page?
Dec 22 03:54:29 <tslout> https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface
Dec 22 03:54:52 <Abyssul_> Works for me
Dec 22 03:54:57 <tslout> I googled around and it seems to work for some people but not others
Dec 22 03:54:58 <Abyssul_> Clear your cache?
Dec 22 03:55:07 <tslout> But it's on my TP as well :/
Dec 22 03:55:13 <Abyssul_> idk
Dec 22 03:55:21 <tslout> Gah.
Dec 22 03:55:28 <tslout> HTTP Status 500 -  type Exception report  message  description The server encountered an internal error () that prevented it from fulfilling this request.
Dec 22 03:55:51 <tslout> Guess i'll wait it out. I can't even get it into USB mode to throw cyanogenmod on there in the meantime.
Dec 22 03:56:57 <rwhitby> 500 here too
Dec 22 03:57:33 <rwhitby> you could memboot it, activate the LVM, mount the media partition, novacom put the files, then install cm7.
Dec 22 03:58:40 <tslout> I will admit that though I'm no computer layman I'm not exactly sure how to muck around with terminal and stuff.
Dec 22 03:58:55 <tslout> Somewhat falls out of my realm of expertise, ha.
Dec 22 03:59:14 <tslout> I can wait until they resolve it I guess. Just wanted to confirm that it was down with others really.
Dec 22 03:59:17 <tslout> So I know i'm not alone.
Dec 22 03:59:34 <tslout> Or crazy.
Dec 22 04:03:45 <lingfish> Anyone got any other things to check?  UpdateM and OmaDm are +x, updated.log is being appended to... no metadoc ever done, not running Uber...
Dec 22 04:07:59 <Abyssul_> Lone wolf
Dec 22 04:14:59 <lingfish> Meaning I'm the only one?
Dec 22 04:15:09 <Abyssul_> Aye
Dec 22 04:15:42 <lingfish> Ok so that's good to know, but didn't really answer my question ;)  The odd thing is that this is the most stock Pre I've run, out of 3
Dec 22 04:19:53 * EricBlade looks to rwhitby for some happy news
Dec 22 04:23:43 <rwhitby> lingfish: it's affecting others too
Dec 22 04:25:01 <hewball> i get the same 500 error on that page too, , something about State it says
Dec 22 04:59:10 <dwc-> I had an issue signing in earlier, but it's working now
Dec 22 05:00:25 <Abyssul_> is there a way to add calender events through just type as in typing "christmas all day 12/25
Dec 22 05:00:58 <dwc-> I don't think it parses, no
Dec 22 05:01:13 <dwc-> but that would be pretty cool
Dec 22 05:01:19 <Abyssul_> Shame. I know that you can text Google that and it adds it to your calender
Dec 22 05:01:29 <dwc-> you can also add it that way to google calendar directly
Dec 22 05:01:56 <dwc-> that'd be a pretty cool patch ^
Dec 22 05:02:01 <Abyssul_> Yeah I know you can go to "New calender event" but thats the only reason I dont use it. It requires too much work.
Dec 22 05:04:24 <Abyssul_> Maybe uber calender has it
Dec 22 05:09:47 <Abyssul_> UberCalendar HD has this note "Added date parsing to just type new events"
Dec 22 05:10:02 <Abyssul_> Seems like its TP only though
Dec 22 05:10:55 <dwc-> nice
Dec 22 05:11:17 <Abyssul_> Hmm
Dec 22 05:11:27 <Abyssul_> "8 Nov. Added date and location parsing to just type events." on the forums
Dec 22 05:11:34 <Abyssul_> I couldnt get it to work
Dec 22 05:43:36 <Abyssul_> Here is the syntax for the Just Type parsing: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/245177-ubercalendar-enhanced-calendar-patch-166.html#post3249778
Dec 22 05:59:10 <ka6sox> palm-install org.webosinternals.preware*
Dec 22 05:59:22 <ka6sox> FALE
Dec 22 06:31:58 <ka6sox> http://www.flickr.com/photos/68099814@N00/6552767009/in/photostream
Dec 22 07:06:19 <wrea> O.o
Dec 22 07:26:32 <ka6sox> wrea, doing some reverse engineering.
Dec 22 07:27:20 <ka6sox> http://www.flickr.com/photos/68099814@N00/6552789061/in/photostream/lightbox/
Dec 22 07:27:39 <wrea> awesome
Dec 22 07:30:36 <jcsullins> ka6sox: any luck?
Dec 22 07:33:09 <ka6sox> yes, I have the schematic and hopefully tommorrow I'll find the last bit I need.
Dec 22 07:33:19 <ka6sox> (created schematic)
Dec 22 07:33:38 <ka6sox> any guesses as to what area I'm looking @?
Dec 22 07:34:18 <jcsullins> sweet - I'm guessing something to do w/ serial/headphones on tp
Dec 22 07:34:27 <hewball> ka6sox: hdmi :P
Dec 22 07:34:35 <ka6sox> jcsullins, correct
Dec 22 07:34:42 <ka6sox> hewball, I wish
Dec 22 07:34:55 <hewball> ka6sox: i was dreaming:P
Dec 22 07:35:03 <ka6sox> hewball, don't we all
Dec 22 07:35:35 <ka6sox> if someone wants to send me a 4G TP I"m told they have the necessary chips.
Dec 22 07:35:50 <jcsullins> humm ....
Dec 22 07:35:53 <hewball> isnt that last photo, of the bluetooth chip though?
Dec 22 07:36:13 <jcsullins> ka6sox: might need some more details on the 4G TP thing ...
Dec 22 07:36:27 <ka6sox> hewball, yes, the bluetooth/WiFi front end.
Dec 22 07:37:54 <ka6sox> jcsullins, I"m told that he 4G versions of TP have another chip that allows the USB to support HDMI
Dec 22 07:38:22 <ka6sox> I was sent a HDMI USB adapter and need to find a few minutes to hook it up and see if the kernel recognizes it.
Dec 22 07:38:54 <ka6sox> (borrowing a 4G tempy but I need one to take apart :( )
Dec 22 07:39:11 <ka6sox> even a DEAD one is fine.
Dec 22 07:40:40 <jcsullins> mine's very much alive and hope to keep it that way ... :) (given that, I may still be interested in letting you borrow it)
Dec 22 07:42:44 * hewball just got jealous :(
Dec 22 07:43:12 <dwc-> I just don't feel like paying for a second data plan
Dec 22 07:43:18 <dwc-> that keeps me from being too jealous
Dec 22 07:43:40 <hewball> i just want gps more than anything
Dec 22 07:43:41 <jcsullins> yeah, need to figure way around that
Dec 22 07:43:56 <hewball> data plan pre paid here isnt bad
Dec 22 07:44:00 <dwc-> why gps on the touchpad?
Dec 22 07:44:09 <hewball> mapping
Dec 22 07:44:26 <dwc-> seems a little large to me for that
Dec 22 07:44:37 <jcsullins> larger means bigger maps
Dec 22 07:45:05 <hewball> its not so large in a 4wd when attached to the dash
Dec 22 07:45:12 <dwc-> I suppose
Dec 22 07:45:14 <wrea> I want a Go
Dec 22 07:45:21 <jcsullins> ^^
Dec 22 07:45:45 <hewball> yeah id take that really over the touchpad with gps
Dec 22 07:45:59 <wrea> doesnt the Go have gps?
Dec 22 07:46:26 <dwc-> it looks lik ethere's a wifi and a 4g Go
Dec 22 07:47:48 <ka6sox> wrea, dunno...think so.
Dec 22 07:48:23 <ka6sox> dwc-, things like weather and travel software all needs it.
Dec 22 07:48:42 <hewball> well the faux 4G and wifi
Dec 22 07:50:03 <ka6sox> hewball, a 7" would be sooo much better than a 10" in my 4X4
Dec 22 07:50:34 <hewball> yeah, mines small on the US standard for a 4x4 too
Dec 22 07:57:39 <ka6sox> hewball, think micro on yours....
Dec 22 07:57:57 <ka6sox> you can *sit* in the bed...but I wouldn't try to sleep in it.
Dec 22 07:59:56 <hewball> ka6sox: i hope its not smaller than my mini truck
Dec 22 08:00:16 <ka6sox> jcsullins, if I slide in moboot and want to switch to a 3rd OS is that possible?
Dec 22 08:00:26 <jcsullins> yep
Dec 22 08:00:30 <ka6sox> hewball, I am referring to your minitruck
Dec 22 08:01:22 <ka6sox> working on a recovery initramfs.
Dec 22 08:02:43 <jcsullins> recovery for?
Dec 22 08:03:12 <ka6sox> fixing bad partitions where it requires "manual" intervention.
Dec 22 08:03:53 <jcsullins> I've thought of creating similar
Dec 22 08:04:06 <ka6sox> jcsullins, using the buttons for answering questions on the FB
Dec 22 08:05:25 <jcsullins> how far along are you on it?
Dec 22 08:05:43 <ka6sox> up and down vol for selecting the possible choices and minimize button to hit "return"
Dec 22 08:06:25 <jcsullins> yep
Dec 22 08:06:41 <ka6sox> figured out which buttons to use, and power for "yes"
Dec 22 08:07:34 <ka6sox> created a initrd multi-image for it.
Dec 22 08:08:20 <jcsullins> what are you using for display -- just framebuffer console ?
Dec 22 08:08:27 <ka6sox> yes, fbcon
Dec 22 08:09:10 <ka6sox> I wanted something that I could upload via novacom
Dec 22 08:09:21 <ka6sox> and is memory resident only
Dec 22 08:09:50 <ka6sox> so memboot < "my special multi-image kernel"
Dec 22 08:10:39 <ka6sox> since bootie will pass that up and when it sees the multi-part it uses the initrd instead of the initramfs.
Dec 22 08:12:08 <ka6sox> but I never got around to writing up the recovery script.
Dec 22 08:13:25 <jcsullins> yeah, that will take a little bit of work (not horrible though, don't think)
Dec 22 08:13:55 <ka6sox> with fbcon should be fairly simple once I get the navigation bits working
Dec 22 08:14:26 <jcsullins> yeah, I think you can do vt-style control codes with it (fbcon) too
Dec 22 08:14:51 <ka6sox> ah that would help.
Dec 22 08:15:17 <jcsullins> although the font size (by default) is a bit small (not sure if you can change in kernel or not)
Dec 22 08:15:30 <ka6sox> doubt it....
Dec 22 08:15:32 <ka6sox> never tried.
Dec 22 08:15:50 <ka6sox> its probably something tweakable that I never looked into.
Dec 22 08:16:11 <jcsullins> I think you could do it almost all in shell script (w/ little c prog to read the keys)
Dec 22 08:16:25 <ka6sox> thats what I was thinking too.
Dec 22 08:17:06 <ka6sox> feed the output of the c program into uinput
Dec 22 08:17:17 <ka6sox> let it do debounce
Dec 22 08:17:41 <ka6sox> (the C programme)
Dec 22 08:18:16 <jcsullins> humm, think the c-prog would read uinput
Dec 22 08:18:43 <ka6sox> its gpio pins
Dec 22 08:19:34 <jcsullins> yeah, but with linux kernel, you can read them as uinput ...
Dec 22 08:19:56 <jcsullins> gpio-keys are all of them but power key ... forget the device for the power-key
Dec 22 08:20:06 <jcsullins> (I think those are correct dev names)
Dec 22 08:20:28 <ka6sox> power-key and gpio-keys
Dec 22 08:20:33 <ka6sox> iirc
Dec 22 08:20:33 <jcsullins> yeah
Dec 22 08:21:05 <ka6sox> haven't played much in about 2months...too many other things to do.
Dec 22 08:21:12 <ka6sox> like get serial going.
Dec 22 08:21:32 <jcsullins> yeah, get that working; I want :)
Dec 22 08:21:58 <ka6sox> kk...let me get back to that then.
Dec 22 08:22:11 <hewball> serial, host or to the device cli?
Dec 22 08:22:21 <ka6sox> console
Dec 22 08:22:46 <ka6sox> but kernel is stubbed out for kgdb...not working.
Dec 22 08:22:50 <ka6sox> :(
Dec 22 08:23:39 <ka6sox> *or so it appears*
Dec 22 08:25:25 <jcsullins> ka6sox: remind me sometime about the recovery image thing ... I've got some stuff setup to build w/ openembedded that could help ...
Dec 22 08:26:04 <ka6sox> jcsullins, will do.
Dec 22 08:26:24 <ka6sox> we just need something simple to do some recovery.
Dec 22 08:34:36 <ka6sox> jcsullins, I just wish HPalm would upgrade from a 2006 or so version of OE.
Dec 22 08:34:48 <ka6sox> (*maybe 2008?)
Dec 22 08:35:44 <jcsullins> I'm using my own oe setup (not old)...
Dec 22 08:37:29 <ka6sox> does it use oe-core?
Dec 22 08:37:45 <ka6sox> ie really new, or 2010 or so?
Dec 22 08:38:56 <jcsullins> I think 'really new' -- on master branch ...
Dec 22 08:41:50 <ka6sox> ah, thats good stuff.
Dec 22 08:42:35 <ka6sox> we use Angstrom new branch and develop using that as our base.
Dec 22 08:43:15 <ka6sox> I'd love to get systemd to work on a TP....
Dec 22 08:43:27 <ka6sox> would at least 1/2 the time it takes to boot the first stage.
Dec 22 08:44:28 <jcsullins> you have Angstrom on touchpad?
Dec 22 08:44:40 <ka6sox> its a WIP
Dec 22 08:44:54 <wrea> systemd would be cool
Dec 22 08:44:56 <ka6sox> but it boots and have access via rndis
Dec 22 08:45:27 <jcsullins> I've got an Angstrom build...
Dec 22 08:45:30 <ka6sox> but kind of got busy with other stuff.
Dec 22 08:45:41 <jcsullins> yeah, me too ...
Dec 22 08:46:06 <ka6sox> I can't remember if 2.6.35 supports systemd or not...
Dec 22 08:46:44 <ka6sox> might as I think that koen used that on a stock beagle that was not 3.x...need to look @ his slides again.
Dec 22 08:48:58 <ka6sox> Angstrom is a good distro to use for bringing things up. fairly compleat but not too heavyweight.
Dec 22 08:50:05 * jcsullins is trying bitbake systemd
Dec 22 08:51:08 <wrea> Latest systemd requires 2.6.39 and up
Dec 22 08:54:30 <jcsullins> failed saying it needed newer version of dbus
Dec 22 08:54:51 <wrea> systemd-33 only needs at least 2.6.30
Dec 22 08:55:55 <wrea> what version do you currently have?
Dec 22 08:56:52 <jcsullins> not sure ... just see get commit id ...
Dec 22 08:58:51 <jcsullins> whatever it is, the README only says it requires kernel >=2.6.30
Dec 22 09:00:36 <wrea> needs dbus 1.4.x
Dec 22 09:00:56 <jcsullins> yeah, that's what readme says
Dec 22 09:04:57 <ka6sox> jcsullins, doesn't that need kernel support too?
Dec 22 09:05:04 <ka6sox> ie a kernel with that enabled?
Dec 22 09:05:25 <jcsullins> what enabled?
Dec 22 09:05:41 <ka6sox> (my job doesn't let me touch the builder anymore...I just have to keep things moving)
Dec 22 09:06:22 <ka6sox> jas..let me look @ what they did.
Dec 22 09:08:06 <ka6sox> nm...I was thinking about something else.
Dec 22 09:08:22 <ka6sox> (another tweak we had to do to get booting times down)
Dec 22 09:09:24 <jcsullins> ha, booting time for my angstrom build is horrible, but haven't really looked into why yet
Dec 22 09:10:09 <ka6sox> what platform?
Dec 22 09:10:30 <jcsullins> platform? touchpad
Dec 22 09:10:36 <ka6sox> ah, okay
Dec 22 09:17:13 <ka6sox> jcsullins, are you still using 2009Q1 for the toolchain?
Dec 22 09:17:56 <jcsullins> pretty sure I let OE build the toolchain
Dec 22 09:20:34 <jcsullins> gcc-4.5
Dec 22 09:31:37 <ka6sox> ah, khem will be happy to hear that...he really likes 4.5
Dec 22 09:34:33 <ka6sox> bleh...need to get 2 more builders on line before christmas for OE...hope OSUOSL comes thru with net connections.
Dec 22 09:52:52 <ka6sox> jcsullins, thanks for encouraging me to get back onto Angstrom, will need it for webOS porting :D
Dec 22 09:54:04 <jcsullins> it's good stuff
Dec 22 10:48:29 <bhuey> folks
Dec 22 16:09:40 <pc-world> great. SDLTerminal not working anymore after the 2.2.4 update...
Dec 22 16:12:03 <pc-world> seems to be an issue with the jailer. when launching via commandline it works
Dec 22 16:20:43 <Brybry> pc-world, if you have a /etc/jail_native-palm.conf changing "set nojail = true" to "set NOJAIL = true" should fix it (assuming there is a proper line in /var/palm/data/jailusers)
Dec 22 16:21:46 <pc-world> already did that, do not get a segfault anymore, but I think there's still something wrong with the line in jailusers
Dec 22 16:25:48 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, ping
Dec 22 16:25:59 <summatusmentis> pong
Dec 22 16:26:47 <PuffTheMagic> the mendeley app needs a name that isnt just mendeley
Dec 22 16:27:24 <pc-world> Brybry: is this line correct for jailusers? have the feeling that the postinst script from SDLTerminal isn't working properly
Dec 22 16:27:24 <pc-world> 5752:5000:com.veeho.sdlterminal:/var/palm/jail/com.veeho.sdlterminal:/etc/jail_native-palm.conf
Dec 22 16:27:50 <summatusmentis> Did you have ideas in mind?
Dec 22 16:27:58 <PuffTheMagic> forget about SDLTerminal
Dec 22 16:28:08 <summatusmentis> or are you asking for me to come up with ideas? :)
Dec 22 16:28:14 <PuffTheMagic> wTerm is going to be in alpha feed soon
Dec 22 16:28:20 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, i want suggestions
Dec 22 16:28:31 <pc-world> PuffTheMagic: and wTerm is what?
Dec 22 16:29:05 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: wEndeley :)
Dec 22 16:29:18 <pc-world> (basically I just want back the Terminal app from webOS 1.4.5 on webOS 2, and so far SDLTerminal has been the best alternative)
Dec 22 16:29:21 <PuffTheMagic> wTerm is a enyo hybrid terminal that is powered by sdlterminal
Dec 22 16:29:37 <Brybry> hmm
Dec 22 16:29:42 <PuffTheMagic> but im going to improve sdlterminal because its vt*** compliance sucks
Dec 22 16:29:50 <pc-world> PuffTheMagic: also for phones?
Dec 22 16:30:22 <PuffTheMagic> after i get the basics functionality worked out on the TP I will scale it down to phones
Dec 22 16:30:39 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: the name I was using for my planned zotero app was wReference
Dec 22 16:30:39 <PuffTheMagic> right now the keymappings are in a ugly file and I want to bring that into the UI
Dec 22 16:30:59 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, i could go with that if u dont mind
Dec 22 16:31:02 <pc-world> PuffTheMagic: ok. but that probably wouldn't solve the jail issue I have, or are you going to use a different postinst script?
Dec 22 16:31:05 <PuffTheMagic> i suppose it can always get changed
Dec 22 16:31:16 <PuffTheMagic> pc-world, i already have the poistinst stuff worked out
Dec 22 16:32:08 <PuffTheMagic> wterm installs and runs fine and it has a unjailed pdk plugin
Dec 22 16:32:12 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: if you want to use that, go for it, I also kinda like wEndeley, because it means we could flip the icon vertically :)
Dec 22 16:32:12 <pc-world> PuffTheMagic: so could you say me how the line in jailusers has to look like?
Dec 22 16:32:23 <summatusmentis> m becomes w and so forth
Dec 22 16:32:40 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, lol
Dec 22 16:33:03 <summatusmentis> but go with whatever floats your boat
Dec 22 16:33:08 <PuffTheMagic> pc-world, i package a custom jail conf in my package with NOJAIL = true in it
Dec 22 16:33:15 <PuffTheMagic> and then jailusers points to that
Dec 22 16:33:21 <PuffTheMagic> instead of the palm ones
Dec 22 16:33:32 <Brybry> yeah but if he already modified the palm one then his line looks correct
Dec 22 16:33:45 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, well that isnt very clean
Dec 22 16:33:48 <PuffTheMagic> but whatever
Dec 22 16:33:50 <Brybry> but if the jailer isn't segfaulting anymore then I'm not sure the jailer is your problem
Dec 22 16:33:52 <Brybry> well, yeah
Dec 22 16:33:55 <Brybry> I agree, that's not clean!
Dec 22 16:34:17 <Brybry> packaging a jailconf and pointing to it is definitely the way to go
Dec 22 16:34:23 <pc-world> it's "set NOJAIL = true", right?
Dec 22 16:34:36 <Brybry> yes, on 3.x
Dec 22 16:34:44 <PuffTheMagic> http://ompldr.org/vYnV4MQ/wterm_2011-21-12_205004.png
Dec 22 16:34:46 <pc-world> I'm on 2.2.4
Dec 22 16:34:48 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ wterm
Dec 22 16:34:52 <Brybry> not sure on 2.2.4
Dec 22 16:35:49 <Brybry> you could try strings /usr/bin/jailer | grep -i nojail
Dec 22 16:36:01 <Brybry> if it's caps in that output then put it in caps, if it's not caps in that output then put it lowercase
Dec 22 16:36:32 <pc-world> it's in caps
Dec 22 16:36:34 <Brybry> but, like I said, if it's not segfaulting anymore then I don't think that's what's going wrong for you
Dec 22 16:36:53 <pc-world> I'm getting sigsev now
Dec 22 16:36:59 <pc-world> make_log: stderr: cat: can't open '/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc0:0001/manfid': No such file or directory cat: can't open '/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc0:0001/oemid': No such file or directory cat: can't open '/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc0:0001/serial': No such file or directory
Dec 22 16:37:58 <pc-world> *SIGSEGV
Dec 22 16:38:01 <pc-world> "jailer(3294) received 11."
Dec 22 16:38:26 <summatusmentis> you picked wEndeley :)
Dec 22 16:38:57 <Brybry> no idea with that =(
Dec 22 16:39:11 <pc-world> when I start it through commandline, it works fine
Dec 22 16:39:16 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, ya, it can always change
Dec 22 16:39:21 <PuffTheMagic> everything is pushed and u are added
Dec 22 16:39:30 <summatusmentis> neat, thanks
Dec 22 16:39:55 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, note that, that was my first real enyo attempt so its probably fugly
Dec 22 16:40:20 <summatusmentis> dude, I know nothing about enyo
Dec 22 16:42:35 <pc-world> in jailusers, I just need to replace "jail_pdk.conf" with "jail_native-palm.conf, right?
Dec 22 16:44:01 <Brybry> yeah, it has to point to whatever config file has set NOJAIL = true in it
Dec 22 16:57:55 <_minego> hi kids
Dec 22 16:58:24 <summatusmentis> hi dad
Dec 22 16:59:07 <_minego> hows life?
Dec 22 17:01:57 <summatusmentis> meh, ok
Dec 22 17:03:19 <_minego> ditto
Dec 22 17:03:40 <_minego> I've got coffee. That's a start.
Dec 22 17:55:09 <ka6sox-away> sethron, did you get your problem solved?
Dec 22 17:55:24 <dwc-> hrm. cheap hotel by scale not so cheap this year
Dec 22 17:55:56 <ka6sox-away> fleabag hotel in Inglewood?
Dec 22 17:56:13 <dwc-> no, the travelodge attached to the denny's
Dec 22 17:56:45 <ka6sox-away> oh right...remember that one.
Dec 22 17:56:53 <dwc-> aka close enough to not need a car rental
Dec 22 17:57:35 <dwc-> I'm deciding whether to go
Dec 22 17:59:46 <halfhalo> yay for being local!
Dec 22 18:01:36 <ka6sox-away> bummers
Dec 22 18:02:27 <oilsworkn> wi booth at scale this year?
Dec 22 18:02:46 <ka6sox-away> oilsworkn, we have the space reserved.
Dec 22 18:05:26 <oilsworkn> thats a yes?
Dec 22 18:06:51 <halfhalo> yes
Dec 22 18:15:42 <sethron> ka6sox-away: yes, used chmod on some folders and files
Dec 22 19:11:34 <matiasb_> hello, i'm writing an app for scribd, the document-books service, and i would like to share it with you, how can it be available on preware?
Dec 22 19:12:42 <oilsworkn> precentral.net has a feed that preware accesses
Dec 22 19:12:53 <oilsworkn> you just create an account and you can submit an ipk
Dec 22 19:13:00 <matiasb_> ok
Dec 22 19:13:07 <matiasb_> thanks
Dec 22 19:13:13 <oilsworkn> np
Dec 22 19:57:51 <summatusmentis> what do i need to do to setup an AT&T veer on a a non-AT&T network?
Dec 22 19:58:13 <oilsworkn> can you?
Dec 22 19:58:54 <summatusmentis> I mean, yes, I can unlock it
Dec 22 19:58:59 <summatusmentis> how do I skip first-use?
Dec 22 19:59:13 <dwc-> *#devmode#
Dec 22 19:59:15 <oilsworkn> i always do it with metadoc
Dec 22 19:59:33 <dwc-> along those lines... interestingly, I activated mine without a SIM card and from impostah, it looks like it gave me the AT&T catalog (maybe a default?)
Dec 22 19:59:55 <oilsworkn> i could be wrong, but i dont think there is a specific at&t catalog
Dec 22 20:00:06 <dwc-> there is for the pre3! (has skype)
Dec 22 20:00:32 <oilsworkn> it displays based on device and version
Dec 22 20:00:35 <dwc-> actually, by now, I'm guessing mr whitby should have enough info by now from apptuckerbox to tell us what the differences are
Dec 22 20:00:39 <oilsworkn> i've never seen anything carrier specific
Dec 22 20:00:58 <summatusmentis> wait, I di #*devmode#, it asked for my unlock code, and then jumped back to first-use
Dec 22 20:01:03 <dwc-> lisa confirmed there are carrier-specific checkboxes
Dec 22 20:01:10 <oilsworkn> hm
Dec 22 20:01:24 <dwc-> for appcat submissions... for certain... developers
Dec 22 20:01:28 <oilsworkn> i never saw them in the app submission thing
Dec 22 20:01:39 * oilsworkn must not be special enough
Dec 22 20:01:51 <summatusmentis> dwc-: I'm sitting at first use, after unlocking the veer
Dec 22 20:02:26 <dwc-> huh?
Dec 22 20:02:31 <oilsworkn> if you setup devmode, isn't there some "ranfirstuse" file you could touch frmo novacom?
Dec 22 20:02:34 <summatusmentis> when I type #*devmode# again, and hit the call buttong, I get "USSD request failed. Network Failure"
Dec 22 20:02:48 <dwc-> *#
Dec 22 20:03:37 <summatusmentis> either way
Dec 22 20:03:39 * oilsworkn goes to lunch
Dec 22 20:04:09 <summatusmentis> oh, you know what?
Dec 22 20:04:12 <dwc-> wait, you have first use?
Dec 22 20:04:23 <summatusmentis> I was typing it onthe kyeboard
Dec 22 20:04:29 <summatusmentis> not on the phone app keypad
Dec 22 20:04:37 <dwc-> you can spell it on the keyboard, but you have to use the 1-9
Dec 22 20:04:44 <summatusmentis> yeah, that's stupid
Dec 22 20:04:57 <summatusmentis> rebooting after turning on dev mode
Dec 22 20:05:23 <dwc-> do you have data on the SIM?
Dec 22 20:05:48 <summatusmentis> no, it's brand new
Dec 22 20:06:09 <dwc-> s/data/a data plan/
Dec 22 20:06:10 <infobot> dwc- meant: do you have a data plan on the SIM?
Dec 22 20:06:14 <summatusmentis> oh, yes
Dec 22 20:06:38 <summatusmentis> but it's a Simple Mobile sim, so I don't want to mess anything up by going through the first use system
Dec 22 20:06:43 <summatusmentis> unless there's no issue
Dec 22 20:06:49 <dwc-> oh, then you might have been able to register just fine
Dec 22 20:07:34 <dwc-> how'd you unlock your veer, btw?
Dec 22 20:07:40 <dwc-> digitalunlock?
Dec 22 20:07:43 <summatusmentis> yeah
Dec 22 20:07:49 <summatusmentis> I had bought a license a while ago
Dec 22 20:07:57 <summatusmentis> just got around to getting a sim card now
Dec 22 20:08:16 <summatusmentis> so, I've got a homescreen, do I need to worry about the non-AT&T catalog at all?
Dec 22 20:08:36 <dwc-> I don't know.
Dec 22 20:08:54 <RichT23> hoot
Dec 22 20:09:13 <dwc-> if you believe what impostah tells me, I have the AT&T catalog on my veer, from impostah registering the first time with SIM card -removed-
Dec 22 20:09:40 <dwc-> (I didn't bother putting a SIM card in it, mine is still locked)
Dec 22 20:09:42 <RichT23> did any of you see that script for getting unlock codes from the pre?
Dec 22 20:09:58 <dwc-> I did... I was looking through the code to see what it did
Dec 22 20:10:18 <RichT23> was accessing the hwmodem wasnt it?
Dec 22 20:10:28 <dwc-> as far as I can gather
Dec 22 20:10:34 <RichT23> i wes trying to mod it for the pixi but faild
Dec 22 20:10:45 <dwc-> and then it sends some binary commands stuff that I don't know what it means :)
Dec 22 20:10:55 <RichT23> hehe ya
Dec 22 20:11:10 <dwc-> and some compiled ARM code gets injected
Dec 22 20:11:32 <dwc-> s/code/assembler code/
Dec 22 20:11:33 <infobot> dwc- meant: and some compiled ARM assembler code gets injected
Dec 22 20:11:35 <dwc-> that part seems harmless, at least
Dec 22 20:12:27 <RichT23> i never got the thing to work for the pixi, shame though as palm repair center fecked mine up
Dec 22 20:14:18 <summatusmentis> hrm, I've got a Dr. Skipped Firstuse palm profile, is it possible to login to my normal profile? or is that where impostah comes in?
Dec 22 20:14:52 <dwc-> if you're following what I did, that's where impostah comes in
Dec 22 20:19:02 <summatusmentis> I need to get preware first
Dec 22 20:19:26 <summatusmentis> and the gitorious sh script is down, seemingly
Dec 22 20:20:26 <summatusmentis> oh, got it
Dec 22 20:36:04 <summatusmentis> hrm, this veer isn't signing in to first use very well
Dec 22 20:36:16 <summatusmentis> slow
Dec 22 20:54:10 <bhuey> folks
Dec 22 21:10:00 <summatusmentis> hrm, this veer really doesn't want to activate, and it's definitely because of my APN settings
Dec 22 21:10:33 <summatusmentis> wait, now all of a sudden it works?
Dec 22 21:10:39 <summatusmentis> o_O
Dec 22 21:12:40 <rwhitby> apparently @webosinternals is now PatrickC_Away's personal web search service
Dec 22 21:13:06 <rwhitby> https://twitter.com/awesomeapps_/status/149929256070299648
Dec 22 21:14:03 <Compn> twitter problems ?
Dec 22 21:14:17 <Compn> let me get out my violin
Dec 22 21:15:07 <rwhitby> just lazy user problems
Dec 22 21:15:48 <rwhitby> it seems to be reproducible on all sorts of communications mediums
Dec 22 21:15:53 <Compn> of course
Dec 22 21:15:56 <summatusmentis> file a bug
Dec 22 21:16:06 <Compn> bonus points to all developers who put their readme files in the context of their apps
Dec 22 21:16:14 <oilsworkn> where is the issue tracker for PatrickC_Away?
Dec 22 21:16:22 <Compn> so when you hit the upper left context menu you can actually read documentation
Dec 22 21:16:30 <Compn> instead of going online or back to preware to read docs
Dec 22 21:16:40 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: I filed a fatal issue here some time back. it was resolved then, but I think I'll need to reopen it.
Dec 22 21:18:04 <rwhitby> "Awesome Apps, not so awesome google search skills"
Dec 22 21:18:12 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 22 21:20:45 <summatusmentis> even after 10 minutes of this veer, my pre2 feels huge
Dec 22 21:24:02 <RichT23> =)
Dec 22 21:24:23 * RichT23 has veer as work phone and Pre3 for personal
Dec 22 21:25:41 <RichT23> its like 1/2 the size =)
Dec 22 21:26:05 <oilsworkn> its almost too small
Dec 22 21:26:21 <oilsworkn> i took it out of the box and immediately fumbled it to the ground when trying to open it
Dec 22 21:35:03 <summatusmentis> "almost too small"
Dec 22 21:35:07 <summatusmentis> that's just ludicrous
Dec 22 21:35:38 <summatusmentis> I'm really exicted about this, I hope it's feasible enough
Dec 22 21:35:44 <summatusmentis> I need t-mobile
Dec 22 21:36:00 <summatusmentis> or rather, I need cell coverage, and I'm not sure t-mobile/simple mobile will do it
Dec 22 21:45:23 <dwc-> well, you're not getting a sprint veer, we know that
Dec 22 21:45:29 <ice8lue> heyho
Dec 22 21:49:02 * oilsworkn would use a sprint veer
Dec 22 21:49:17 <oilsworkn> and only because it can be charged via touchstone and not the stupid cable
Dec 22 21:59:33 <summatusmentis> guh! T2S still doesn't work on the veer does it?
Dec 22 22:00:42 <oilsworkn> idk
Dec 22 22:01:47 <dwc-> it does not in 2.1.2
Dec 22 22:02:20 <summatusmentis> is there an official 2.2.x release? or is it meta-doc time?
Dec 22 22:03:20 <dwc-> there is a 2.2.x release, but it is not official and showed up in the wild on a device that was sold on ebay
Dec 22 22:03:35 <summatusmentis> oh
Dec 22 22:03:42 <dwc-> there's a thread on 2.2.3 and 2.2.4 on the veer in the precentral forums
Dec 22 22:04:02 <dwc-> T2S requires a brick-risking update
Dec 22 22:04:06 <summatusmentis> eek
Dec 22 22:04:24 <dwc-> but it sounds like you can run without it, just no T2S etc
Dec 22 22:05:09 <summatusmentis> well, does 2.1 on the veer support txt sharing?
Dec 22 22:05:16 <dwc-> MAP? no
Dec 22 22:05:26 <summatusmentis> yes, MAP
Dec 22 22:05:36 <summatusmentis> so I'd need 2.2.x for that, hrm
Dec 22 22:40:39 <Abyssul> Seems like the kernels are "404 - not found"
Dec 22 22:41:03 <Abyssul> all the packages orginal tar are
Dec 22 22:41:17 <Abyssul> scratch that, only some
Dec 22 22:42:25 <ka6sox> Abyssul, being rebuilt
Dec 22 22:42:45 <Abyssul> I mean on opensource.palm.com?
Dec 22 22:43:06 <ka6sox> sorry
Dec 22 22:43:09 <ka6sox> nm...
Dec 22 22:55:19 <rwhitby> yeah, just use the 2.1.0, 2.2.0 or 2.2.3 base tarballs
Dec 22 22:55:22 <rwhitby> the patches are thre
Dec 22 22:55:24 <rwhitby> there
Dec 22 22:55:46 <Abyssul> what if the tarballs are different?
Dec 22 22:58:44 <rwhitby> they never are - the base tarballs are just plain linux always
Dec 22 22:59:12 <Abyssul> Yeah but even plain linux is updated often
Dec 22 23:00:16 <rwhitby> but palm never update the base tarball
Dec 22 23:00:34 <rwhitby> but feel free not to believe me, I've only been working with the kernel tarballs from palm for 2 years ;)
Dec 22 23:00:47 <Abyssul> I know. Im just asking questions dangit o.O
Dec 22 23:01:22 <oilsworkn> smartassv2 governor? sounds awesome
Dec 22 23:03:52 <dwc-> does it go slower when the user is being a smartass?
Dec 22 23:04:40 <oilsworkn> the more settings you play with the slower it gets?
Dec 22 23:08:20 <lingfish> rwhitby: sorry mate, did you say y'day I'm not alone with the update issue?
Dec 22 23:08:33 <rwhitby> yep,
Dec 22 23:08:56 <lingfish> hah... k... I did exensively search and googificate, didn't find much/anyone else having the issue
Dec 22 23:09:11 <lingfish> God I wish they could work something as simple as this out... bring on the OSS
Dec 22 23:10:39 <oilsworkn> 224 update problems?
Dec 22 23:10:55 <lingfish> yuh
Dec 22 23:11:01 <lingfish> I just keep getting phone is up
Dec 22 23:11:13 <lingfish> When I debug, I see funny things like "ATT unknown carrier"
Dec 22 23:11:22 <oilsworkn> huh
Dec 22 23:11:44 <lingfish> And the classic, "can't read update from" <EOL>
Dec 22 23:22:22 <bnceo`> so after installing EPR, I still can't get patches to install
Dec 22 23:22:27 <bnceo`> I thin it's time for a doctor visit
Dec 22 23:24:22 <rwhitby> lingfish: ATT unknown carrier is normal and spurious
Dec 22 23:44:46 <lingfish> rwhitby: ah ok... A lot of their logging is spurious :/
Dec 22 23:48:56 <ka6sox> so it would seem....
Dec 22 23:49:06 <ka6sox> hence muffle and other log squishing patches
Dec 22 23:49:20 <EricBlade> umm.. did the "Autoload Flash Content" option ever exist in 3.0 web browser?  Or is it always true if Flash is enabled?
Dec 23 00:04:25 <lingfish> ka6sox: yes, for sure... but ... the logging shouldn't be so useless in the first place ;) makes them near to useless.
Dec 23 00:12:05 <Abyssul> You know its bad when you cant even novaterm into your Pre2...
Dec 23 00:16:34 <DMeister-IT> Hi :D
Dec 23 00:18:02 <DMeister-IT> Has anyone tried to create a webOS 2.2.4 meta-doctor for legacy devices?
Dec 23 00:18:10 <Abyssul> Yes, give it a week
Dec 23 00:18:38 <DMeister-IT> wow! amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 23 00:18:46 <Abyssul> (if its possible)
Dec 23 00:19:46 <DMeister-IT> dependent on the kernel?
Dec 23 00:19:52 <Abyssul> Mmhmm
Dec 23 00:21:16 <DMeister-IT> we say also depends on the kernel... but have been made ​​open source all the tools you need?
Dec 23 00:21:37 <Abyssul> Kernel source was released a few hours ago
Dec 23 00:22:35 <DMeister-IT> great, so it so it could theoretically be adapted to that of pre-/pre +?
Dec 23 00:23:33 <DMeister-IT> (srr for rpt)
Dec 23 00:23:37 <Abyssul> Hopefully
Dec 23 00:23:43 <Abyssul> No guarantees
Dec 23 00:24:06 <Abyssul> Can someone help me find out why I can Novaterm into my dang Pre2?
Dec 23 00:24:17 <Abyssul> Its driving me nuts and I dont wanna wipe yet <.<
Dec 23 00:24:27 <dwc-> double check devmode, swap cables, swap ports, swap computers
Dec 23 00:24:45 <dwc-> reinstall novacom drivers
Dec 23 00:24:47 <Abyssul> Please... Ive been past that. Ill go grab my netbook though
Dec 23 00:25:18 <Abyssul> Doctor recognizes it though so not all is bad
Dec 23 00:25:38 <dwc-> rebooted both devices?
Dec 23 00:25:46 <DMeister-IT> THX lot Abyssul for your diligence :D
Dec 23 00:29:11 <Abyssul> Haha the Pre doesnt even boot past the penguin
Dec 23 00:34:43 <Abyssul> No luck
Dec 23 00:35:16 <Abyssul> Novacom shows the port and NDUID but it doesnt prompt the login and command line
Dec 23 00:35:22 <Abyssul> novaterm*
Dec 23 00:48:42 <Abyssul> HAHA
Dec 23 00:49:00 <Abyssul> one step at a time... "novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage " I have novaterm access now
Dec 23 01:04:41 <Abyssul> Missing a usr/palm folder
Dec 23 01:06:33 <ka6sox> I always knew they did things upside down: http://i.imgur.com/3Ab3K.jpg
Dec 23 01:06:42 <ka6sox> (from Australia)
Dec 23 01:24:13 <scoutcamper> ka6sox, lol
Dec 23 01:24:40 <Abyssul> Whats the best way to restore the usr/ folder without doctoring?
Dec 23 01:24:54 <dwc-> uh, how did you usr?
Dec 23 01:25:02 <dwc-> s/usr/lose usr/
Dec 23 01:25:02 <infobot> dwc- meant: uh, how did you lose usr?
Dec 23 01:25:27 <cvillers> iirc if you extract the doctor jar there's a tarball with the base filesystem
Dec 23 01:25:27 <Abyssul> Replacing some /palm files and it disconnects which somehow wiped out my palm contents
Dec 23 01:25:32 <dwc-> you can extract it from the doctor
Dec 23 01:25:44 <dwc-> any changes since then won't be in there though
Dec 23 01:25:44 <Abyssul> I have the filesystem, but how do I get that off my PC into the Pre2 through novacom
Dec 23 01:26:02 <Abyssul> I can send files, but not whole folders
Dec 23 01:26:08 <dwc-> tar it up
Dec 23 01:26:42 <dwc-> or you can locally for ... do novacom put(?) ... done
Dec 23 01:27:39 <Abyssul> damn... tar. I didnt think of that
Dec 23 01:27:52 <Abyssul> Here I am putting it in an ipk
Dec 23 01:28:38 <Abyssul> whats the best command to untar the fix.tar in the usr folder?
Dec 23 01:29:07 <dwc-> depends on how you pack it
Dec 23 01:30:02 <Abyssul> with 7zip, just the palm and lib folders
Dec 23 01:30:26 <dwc-> I mean, under what path
Dec 23 01:30:40 <dwc-> if the tar has usr/palm/applications/foo/blah.js then you need to unpack it from /
Dec 23 01:30:57 <Abyssul> Access is denied?
Dec 23 01:30:58 <dwc-> if it has com.foo/blah.js then you need to unpack it from /usr/palm/applications ... or unpack it and move it afterwards
Dec 23 01:33:44 <Abyssul> Might have to boot into Ubuntu for this
Dec 23 01:33:55 <Abyssul> keeps giving Access is denied
Dec 23 02:02:18 <Abyssul> "sudo novacom put file://Fix.tar < /usr"
Dec 23 02:02:22 <Abyssul> What am I doing wrong?
Dec 23 02:02:47 <Abyssul> Gives "bad or error response from other side: 'file open failed'
Dec 23 02:03:21 <bpadalino> novacom put file:///usr/Fix.tar < /host/location/of/Fix.tar
Dec 23 02:04:16 <Abyssul> no good either
Dec 23 02:07:08 <Abyssul> no space left on device
Dec 23 02:07:12 <Abyssul> Jeez
Dec 23 02:33:24 <wrea> sconix, ping
Dec 23 02:54:33 <sjsharksfan> anyone know when F14 kernel will be compatible for webOS 2.2.4?
Dec 23 02:54:54 <Abyssul> When they get to it
Dec 23 02:55:03 <sjsharksfan> just wondering..
Dec 23 02:55:14 <Abyssul> Probably a day or so
Dec 23 02:55:56 <sjsharksfan> anyone know if 2.2.4 is a long term update? or does anyone expect to see another update soon?
Dec 23 02:57:33 <sjsharksfan> what kind of major problems are we seeing with this updatem
Dec 23 02:57:38 <sjsharksfan> if any
Dec 23 02:58:08 <Abyssul> Go browse the Pre2 section of the forums for answers
Dec 23 02:58:26 <Abyssul> sjsharksfan, http://forums.webosnation.com/palm-pre-2/
Dec 23 02:58:49 <Abyssul> (or Pre3 if you have a Pre3)
Dec 23 02:58:58 <sjsharksfan> pre2
Dec 23 02:59:14 <sjsharksfan> dev device only, not active
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