**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 23 02:59:56 2011 Dec 23 02:59:58 I wish pre3 though.. :) Dec 23 03:06:15 skype question for developer devices without service, will they work without service as a straight ip based call through wifi? or do you still need phone data service? Dec 23 03:06:55 Wifi works I believe Dec 23 03:07:05 Find out for us Dec 23 03:09:22 wifi should work Dec 23 03:09:57 It calls the username using your username Dec 23 03:18:28 Why isn't anyone interested in why the 2.2.4 notifications are blurry and out-of-scale?!?!? :( Dec 23 03:18:47 Anyone know of a patch that never lets the keyboard light go below 5, even when display is at 0? Dec 23 03:18:56 Abyssul: my notifications are fine Dec 23 03:19:17 No they arnt Dec 23 03:19:30 screenshot me an example Dec 23 03:19:32 2.2.4 for Pre2? Dec 23 03:19:51 oh. I have Pre3. sorry Dec 23 03:19:59 ;) Dec 23 03:20:04 GF has Pre3. But she's having other issues. like TMC and stuff Dec 23 03:20:14 and it's a fressh patchless install of 2.2.4 Dec 23 03:20:16 I havnt seen TMC since my Pre- Dec 23 03:20:35 I think the HW on it is bad. memory is just weird. Her FrankenPre2 has no problems like that Dec 23 03:20:50 https://www.box.com/shared/qbcm9re31fl948ixsbg4 Dec 23 03:20:55 I get a feeling that a RAM stick is just not acting up Dec 23 03:21:07 Actually, this link http://i.imgur.com/FruYW.png Dec 23 03:21:19 Pre3 has known to have TMC problems Dec 23 03:21:42 So far, nothing on the Pre3 side. Haven't seen it once Dec 23 03:22:14 so confused on the last picture. what am I supposed to be looking at? Dec 23 03:22:33 The bottom icons Dec 23 03:22:51 The left picture is 2.2.4, the right is pre-2.2.4 Dec 23 03:23:13 ah. weird Dec 23 03:23:18 they are not the same Dec 23 03:23:25 Abyssul, I do NOT want to be under that horse. Dec 23 03:23:33 Lol Dec 23 03:24:40 I only have a lowly veer, no 2.2.4 for me Dec 23 03:25:04 I think my gf is going to move towards the Veer. At least Imma push her in that direction Dec 23 03:25:13 wrea, maybe, the an alternative universe. Dec 23 03:25:18 I don't see her using her other option, the Samsung Skyrocket Dec 23 03:25:26 That just sounds lame Dec 23 03:25:28 s/the/in Dec 23 03:27:13 Abyssul, why would anyone have preware on their quicklaunch bar? Dec 23 03:27:21 Who knows... Dec 23 03:27:26 Not my SS Dec 23 03:27:40 The left one is mine though Dec 23 03:27:48 actually, I take that back. Dec 23 03:27:50 if you are updating via alpha/beta patches and kernals, you check often for new stuff Dec 23 03:27:52 Although thats the default setup lol Dec 23 03:28:05 I do know someone who might do that. Dec 23 03:28:08 bnceo`, who checks more than twice a day Dec 23 03:28:24 Im more disturbed by the number of notification icons... Dec 23 03:28:33 if you are a member of an alpha testing team, maybe 3-4 times a day Dec 23 03:28:40 diff strokes for diff folks Dec 23 03:57:15 Hey, is it possible to make a wifi-only pre-? It was originally bellmo, but the radio appears dead Dec 23 03:58:12 when I try "DEVICE=pre CARRIER=wifi" it says invalid combination. Dec 23 03:58:30 You add the --wifi-only flag Dec 23 03:58:34 not carrier=wifi Dec 23 03:58:39 ahh Dec 23 03:59:51 Ahh, as an option to the meta-bellmo-pre script. I was trying straight with the makefile Dec 23 04:01:13 Hello, can anyone help? I got this constant loop boot showing HP logo after applying newest update for Pre3 AT&T. I can't get it to work on WOSQI too :( Dec 23 04:01:32 hit the doctor Dec 23 04:01:42 yup. doctor is great Dec 23 04:02:01 oh, question for you guys: What's better? the default MHS app or Freetether? Dec 23 04:02:07 for speeds and reliability that is Dec 23 04:02:29 Freetether Dec 23 04:03:08 really. that's so interesting Dec 23 04:03:32 What is the difference in functionality? Dec 23 04:03:54 freetether let's you use bluetooth as well Dec 23 04:04:01 and I believe regular plug in too Dec 23 04:04:05 supineru: Did it prompt you for your profile, and then loop after that? Dec 23 04:04:43 Is there a power benefit of bluetooth vs wifi? Dec 23 04:04:58 Bluetooth is essentially useless Dec 23 04:04:59 no idea. never did bluetooth before Dec 23 04:05:06 Slower and requires more power Dec 23 04:05:23 I use it to my touchpad (as of yesterday, that is), and handsfree in the car Dec 23 04:05:35 (so i hear) Dec 23 04:05:37 but have been using the internal tethering app Dec 23 04:06:56 Seq: The HP keeps booting whenever I tap on anything on the screen :/ Dec 23 04:07:31 oh wow. freetether app looks like it's using a high res Dec 23 04:07:40 cause the font is so small on a Pre3. kinda weird Dec 23 04:07:43 Does it get to the UI and then crash or just HP only? Dec 23 04:08:05 It did get into the UI Dec 23 04:08:29 And then crash Dec 23 04:09:19 I would just run the doctor Dec 23 04:09:21 Whenever I plug in the USB, it would then crash and goes into never ending boot with the HP logo Dec 23 04:09:57 supineru: right, but you put in your profile, right? If so, the same thing happened to me yesterday (possibly -- pre2 updating to 2.2.4) Dec 23 04:10:54 Seq: I'm kinda noob, what is this profile you're speaking of? Actually I didn't hit any update, the phone forced itself to update which now is in frenzy looping Dec 23 04:11:37 ahh. Dec 23 04:12:08 hmm Dec 23 04:13:10 the profile I'm talking about is the "palm profile". When I upgraded, I did it with the webos doctor, so it wiped the phone. It was some setting in my profile causing issues Dec 23 04:13:28 For you, it may well still be some setting in your profile, but the OTA update doesn't wipe the phone Dec 23 04:13:32 I doubt its the same issue Dec 23 04:13:36 Am trying to locate the webOS doctor 2.2.4. Anyone knows the direct url? I want the .jar without the JLNP from the PalmProfile suggestion? Dec 23 04:13:51 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions Dec 23 04:14:01 or supineru: it's in a webos nation article Dec 23 04:14:10 I love how typing in WebOS Doctor, the first thing that shows up in webos-internals Dec 23 04:14:24 *is Dec 23 04:15:21 supineru: Note that that using the doctor will wipe your phone's internal memory (at least it did for me, 2.1.0->2.2.4) Dec 23 04:15:34 .......... Dec 23 04:15:58 but in your case, I'm not sure how you'd rescue any data pre-wipe if you have developer mode disabled, and it wont let you enable usb mode Dec 23 04:16:25 ok Abyssul: download and upload on freetether are very good Dec 23 04:16:31 ping was off. but let me rerun Dec 23 04:16:42 nm. ping was good Dec 23 04:16:44 better Dec 23 04:16:52 hspa+ is nice Dec 23 04:16:58 3G sucks Dec 23 04:17:10 LTE here in Bmore was just kickass man Dec 23 04:17:10 I get like 50kBps max Dec 23 04:17:36 I forgot to uninstall the Muffler patch thingy :( it's so sad >_< Dec 23 04:18:03 >., Dec 23 04:18:08 Did that do it? Dec 23 04:18:33 Well, it's a precaution I read earlier from webOS-Internals tweet Dec 23 04:19:00 You arnt the only one supineru. Go to the Pre3 forums Dec 23 04:19:04 http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-pre-3/ Dec 23 04:19:10 but then I'm 140% sure that I didn't hit on the update, the phone simply did itself Dec 23 04:19:33 I noticed, Abyssul, I was lurking earlier on the forum and there's one person claimed who can get thru in WOSQI and did a Emergency Recovery Dec 23 04:20:04 supineru: do you have developer mode enabled? Dec 23 04:20:20 Yes, I do Dec 23 04:20:41 well that is something at least. You could use webos quick install to remove the patch from your device Dec 23 04:21:00 Somehow, plug in the micro USB to the phone crash the phone (as if there's something wrong in the process) Dec 23 04:21:01 The emergency patch recovery might be handy Dec 23 04:21:28 EPR did nothing for me when I OTA on Pre3 Dec 23 04:21:29 Seq: In fact, that's what I'm trying to get, but alas, all I got is this never ending HP logo looping Dec 23 04:21:30 webOS is built to auto-update after a given amount of time. Dec 23 04:21:31 Mine did that to, but it was just luna (the ui) crashing. The phone itself was running in the background Dec 23 04:21:45 did it before, after, and after again after an update to it. nothing Dec 23 04:21:54 doctor was the only solution for that situtaion Dec 23 04:22:00 Put your Pre3 in recovery mode and use WOSQI Dec 23 04:22:06 Seq: exactly! I can hear "voice assist" just now "Do you want to call xxxxxx?" Dec 23 04:22:27 Abyssul: How do I put the Pre3 in recovery mode? Please enlight me :) Dec 23 04:22:51 Shut down, pull battery, put battery back in, hold volume up while putting the usb cord in Dec 23 04:22:53 anyone know why Voice Dial always moves back to the 1st page after reboot? Dec 23 04:23:01 Magic. bnceo` Dec 23 04:23:06 =\ Dec 23 04:23:17 Theres a patch for that Dec 23 04:23:32 I just stuck it at the bottom of the page :p Dec 23 04:23:38 wonder if that got updated. Dec 23 04:23:48 went through them all and didn't see something like that Dec 23 04:24:24 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/2.2.4/org.webosinternals.patches.phone-movable-voice-dial_2.2.4-8_all.ipk Dec 23 04:24:25 here goes nothing.... doctoring my pre3 :| Dec 23 04:24:48 Abyssul, u know of the powerbutton wiggle trick right? Dec 23 04:24:51 hewball: it's nothing man Dec 23 04:25:02 PuffTheMagic, the what? Dec 23 04:25:05 oh PuffTheMagic. you are here. if you not busy, question about your freetether app Dec 23 04:25:06 err, the volume lock wiggle trick i mean Dec 23 04:25:12 A wifi-only pre has no palm profile? Dec 23 04:25:14 i didnt get the ota, so i figure its about time to do it Dec 23 04:25:20 No I don't. Enlighten me. Dec 23 04:25:31 Abyssul, hold down the power button and while its down toggle the volume lock button 5 times Dec 23 04:25:34 it will do a hard reboot Dec 23 04:25:38 works on all the phones Dec 23 04:25:51 bnceo`, as long as its not about the pre3 go ahead Dec 23 04:25:54 you mean the ringer switch? Dec 23 04:26:01 Yeah, i knew that Dec 23 04:26:05 sure what ever u want to call it Dec 23 04:26:17 well if u know that dont go telling people to pop their battery ;) Dec 23 04:26:19 mute switch? Dec 23 04:26:24 PuffTheMagic: it is. but since you said not about it, I'll move along Dec 23 04:26:47 Rofl Dec 23 04:26:54 bnceo`, pre3 kernel is a piece of shit, wifi is broke, usb gadget is broke Dec 23 04:27:05 no no. it actually works on my Pre3 Dec 23 04:27:15 i looked at some of the issue with ft on the pre3 and it does not seem to be related to my code Dec 23 04:27:26 bnceo`, beyond 1 use? Dec 23 04:27:30 just that the app seems high in res aka small words and icons Dec 23 04:27:39 i did two speed tests on my android device with it Dec 23 04:28:02 ya i know it seems small, im not a css wizard and I havent figured out how to scale it easily Dec 23 04:28:14 l2scale Dec 23 04:28:17 ok doke. as long as there is a reason. no biggie for me Dec 23 04:28:20 i have a new enyo version coming out though Dec 23 04:28:24 ! Dec 23 04:28:27 it will look way nicer Dec 23 04:28:28 Does the radio chip in the pre- control both wifi and the modem? Dec 23 04:28:30 (Out in 2013) Dec 23 04:28:37 <+PuffTheMagic> well if u know that dont go telling people to pop their battery ;) > Ouch, I just did Dec 23 04:28:56 supineru, not that big of a deal. Just not recommended for daily dosage Dec 23 04:29:32 Okay, now in USB mode... >_< does that mean I'm going to lose all my SMS? Dec 23 04:29:51 supineru: for some reason, palm profile backs up my SMSs Dec 23 04:29:57 shocked when it happened Dec 23 04:30:15 supineru, SMS backed by Palm Profile Dec 23 04:30:22 Introduce in 2.x Dec 23 04:30:42 Oh... and another ouch for me, I disable my PP Backs up Dec 23 04:30:51 *goes into wall and bang its head* Dec 23 04:31:06 The only thing not backed up Palm Profile is USB content, 3rd party settings, and a few minor things Dec 23 04:31:49 app progress too I believe. like angry birds Dec 23 04:32:14 Oh man.. my sms :( Dec 23 04:32:29 Man up! Dec 23 04:37:35 make new ones Dec 23 04:37:38 like memories Dec 23 04:39:48 Uh.. the webOS Doctor stopped at 4% and it said that I disconnect the device which I don't. Dec 23 04:39:59 Try again Dec 23 04:40:33 Second try... Dec 23 04:42:10 Again. Device disconnected. Click OK to try again. >> Woot, I didn't disconnect anything? Dec 23 04:42:55 Did you put the Pre3 in recovery mode? Dec 23 04:43:55 Yes, it's a big USB icon on the screen Dec 23 04:44:25 Not a good day :\] Dec 23 04:44:54 This guy too has the same problem, but it's a Verizon http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-pre-3/309144-uninstall-webos-doctor-2-2-4-a.html Dec 23 04:45:28 Stopped at 4%. Dec 23 04:45:31 well i only lost an hour of sms's, so all is good this end :D Dec 23 04:48:15 Hmmm... can't doctor, can't access WOSQI... is there any other way I can revive the Pre3? Dec 23 04:48:31 I don't believe I brick my phone... yet Dec 23 04:49:21 There are multiple things Dec 23 04:49:43 reinstall the novacom drivers from opensource.palm.com Dec 23 04:50:09 you might be able to access internally with WOSQI in recovery mode as well Dec 23 04:51:47 Be right back Dec 23 05:43:11 sorry, guys... but where can I find the source of freetether? Dec 23 05:46:02 git.webos-internals.org Dec 23 05:48:23 thanks! :) Dec 23 05:48:48 is there a webos-internals doc about tethering internet? I mean, some linux commands to setup the wifi, and routing stuff. ? Dec 23 05:58:47 my calendar does not work well... when I create an event, it does not appear in the month view. is there a patch for this? Dec 23 06:02:36 re: tethering... not that I know of Dec 23 06:03:02 the routing and dhcpd stuff would be standard Dec 23 06:03:15 I believe you could write a hostapd.conf yourself though Dec 23 06:04:13 hmmm got it. with iptables and /proc/sys/kernel...../ip_forward I can route the internet. hostapd.conf configures the access point? Dec 23 06:05:28 all of this is because mobile hotspot is not sharing the internet with my pc... I will check now if there is a wrong iptables rule Dec 23 06:07:02 good plan Dec 23 06:08:00 hostapd is a popular access point piece... see http://w1.fi Dec 23 06:08:22 damn my apptuckerbox id changed with the doctoring... plz approve rwhitby Dec 23 06:08:38 thanks! Dec 23 06:09:55 hewball: /msg me your new ID Dec 23 06:40:27 dwc-: mobile hotspot is broken. it dows not enables ip_forward neither does add a masquerade rule in iptables. that is why it does not work Dec 23 06:48:43 * rwhitby just approved all registered app tuckerbox devices as an early christmas present Dec 23 06:49:04 rwhitby: thanks for all your effort on that, it works great :D Dec 23 06:49:40 speaking of app tuckerbox, I think I'm still auto-banned from its support channel ... Dec 23 06:49:41 are you posting your sucess stories in http://bit.ly/apptuckerbox-forum ? Dec 23 06:49:55 dwc-: no support channel Dec 23 06:50:07 where can I find the commands executed when the mobilehostpot is activaded? I mean, there is a default file for when a user activates some app (changing OFF to ON)? Dec 23 06:50:12 I was going to do one during the beta, but decided against it Dec 23 06:50:45 astrausdh: it's probably a combination of javascript you can read and a proprietary C binary you can't. Dec 23 06:51:16 all I need is to add 2 lines when mobilehotstop is activated. where should I look for this area to put the code? Dec 23 06:52:13 oh, that got removed between 0.9.0 and 0.9.3 Dec 23 06:52:28 nevermindthen! Dec 23 07:05:25 is there system() in javascript? Dec 23 07:05:28 I found the place and need to exevute 2 linux commands.... maybe 2 system() ? Dec 23 07:07:46 astrausdh: just take a second and think of the consequences of system() in javascript ... Dec 23 07:07:48 dear god, you hope not Dec 23 07:08:30 and if it's not obvious, I've got this great web page you should visit with your device that you haven't backed up recently ... Dec 23 07:11:13 * rrix is pretty sure that just using freetether would solve the MHS issues ;P Dec 23 07:11:17 oh, he's gone Dec 23 07:11:19 * rrix shrugs Dec 23 07:11:26 MHS is gross Dec 23 07:11:57 if we're tlaking about the same bundled one that comes OOTB with the device, anyways Dec 23 07:18:23 how can I execute a shell command through .js? Is there a Mojo call or something like a system() ? Dec 23 07:21:03 astruasdh: app catalog or homebrew? Dec 23 07:21:27 app catalog Dec 23 07:22:09 I am editing a mobile hotspot .js and want to add a shell command call inside Dec 23 07:23:56 you won't get an app catalog app being able to run some random command as root Dec 23 07:24:55 hell.... what can I do? Dec 23 07:25:57 use freeTether ? Dec 23 07:26:42 hmmm can be, but mobile hotspot is actually working: all I had to do was echo 1 > /proc/.../ip_forward and add a postouting iptables rule Dec 23 07:27:20 if I could execute such commands, my problem would be solved Dec 23 07:28:10 freetether would do the same, I believe Dec 23 07:28:18 except without making you do that part Dec 23 07:29:20 can I install freetether withoud isntalling preware? Dec 23 07:29:35 why would you not want to install preware? Dec 23 07:29:37 sure Dec 23 07:31:13 actually I have nothing against preware... but I like to keep my system as clear as possible Dec 23 07:31:59 well, you can continue to bang your head against a wall if you like ;) ... Dec 23 07:32:38 haha... yeah, you're right Dec 23 07:32:52 preware+freetether will solve my problem Dec 23 07:33:20 is there a terminal app? Dec 23 07:33:46 xecutah Dec 23 07:33:59 astruasdh: have you read http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Dec 23 07:35:42 hmmm no, I will work on that now Dec 23 07:39:36 does your calendar app work fine? when I create an event it does not appear in the month view. is there a patch for this or a replacement app? Dec 23 07:41:02 * rwhitby bbl Dec 23 07:46:14 cya, thanks for the info guys! good night Dec 23 09:19:01 german webOS users, we got a new channel over at #webos-de. feel free to come over Dec 23 09:29:13 hi Dec 23 09:29:40 #webos-general Dec 23 09:32:48 lol Dec 23 10:57:46 merry christmas to all Dec 23 14:53:50 is the Pre an ARMv6? processer? Dec 23 14:56:04 humm no its V7 Dec 23 14:56:35 * RichT23 was just wondering if WebOS would run on a raspberrypi board Dec 23 15:05:44 RichT23: i was curious about that myself. was wondering how difficult it would be to connect that to a touchscreen and a cell modem Dec 23 15:06:12 then i went looking for cell modems, but all i found were complete CPU+modem things Dec 23 15:09:50 Well it can have a nic port Dec 23 15:10:12 i didnt think about the touch screen ness... Dec 23 15:10:34 looks like it would make a nice TV web,video device Dec 23 15:21:20 hi Dec 23 15:21:40 I ran a system update OTA on my Pre3 and I forgot to uninstall my patches before that... Now I can't update/remove some of them. Any clue on how to fix that ? Dec 23 15:24:54 ~epr Dec 23 15:25:49 EricBlade1/richt23 the pixi is an armv6 Dec 23 15:26:43 if you get source though... Dec 23 15:28:02 ~epr is Emergency Patch Recovery, which will remove installed patches. Dec 23 15:28:02 dwc-: okay Dec 23 15:31:39 ty dwc, couldn't find the meaning of that EPR through google ! Dec 23 15:33:07 dwc-: Oh sounds cool, no need to recompile the kernal then... Dec 23 15:33:19 might be heplfull for drivers and such though Dec 23 15:33:29 ~search google for epr webos Dec 23 15:33:36 humm and the Pixi is only on 1.4.5 Dec 23 15:34:00 hm, ok, I don't know how to use infobot search Dec 23 15:34:08 =) Dec 23 15:34:23 oki gnight all Dec 23 15:45:55 I wonder if Preware is still following that roadmap that rwhitby made a while back Dec 23 16:29:53 Abyssul, which roadmap? Dec 23 16:37:10 http://www.webosnation.com/preware-2-0-roadmap-detailed-webos-dev-day Dec 23 16:38:37 some of that is indeed being worked on Dec 23 16:38:47 we have a "side project" that will likely be prototyping some of that Dec 23 16:38:55 all sooper seekret of course Dec 23 16:38:59 j/k Dec 23 16:39:15 * Abyssul checks git.webosinternals.org Dec 23 16:39:23 s/plans/rods wishlist/ Dec 23 16:39:36 Lol Dec 23 16:39:47 Yeah. I dont see Instant On to come anytime soon :p Dec 23 16:39:59 it was mostly expecting db8 to not be as stupid as it actually is Dec 23 16:41:47 it was originally billed as a database useful for application data and syncing to the web, but it turns out its only useful for just type Dec 23 16:42:08 I have ideas to help with some of that Dec 23 16:42:15 and node and js don't have storage in common Dec 23 16:42:29 maybe not instant-on, but faster on, and lazy loading, and background sync Dec 23 16:42:31 so we couldn't do background feed loading Dec 23 16:42:42 we can do background loading, kinda Dec 23 16:42:48 but it would be mode complex Dec 23 16:42:52 the lazy loading is possible though Dec 23 16:42:59 what is lazy loading Dec 23 16:43:00 s/mode/more/ Dec 23 16:43:04 downloading the feed file and parsing it fresh every start is just so simple Dec 23 16:43:14 so simple it never breaks Dec 23 16:43:20 lazy loading would be where viewing the app list only grabs things like the icon, name, version etc Dec 23 16:43:34 then when you tap the app, it would then load the description and other stuff Dec 23 16:43:44 so basically, don't grab everything to start when you don't need everything Dec 23 16:43:49 I thought it did that o.O Dec 23 16:43:56 Hmm Dec 23 16:43:58 but then you can't search descriptions, imho something preware has over the catalog Dec 23 16:44:09 Abyssul: when preware loads it reads every feed into memory Dec 23 16:44:20 put couchdb/mongodb on webos Dec 23 16:44:45 Wow, lots of "+"'s talking Dec 23 16:44:49 :p Dec 23 16:45:12 oilsworkn, it could absolutely search in descriptions still, it would just need to work differently Dec 23 16:45:33 swisstomcat: if preware depends on something like that before it works Dec 23 16:45:36 it would need to send the search query to a server, with then does the search and gives the results back to the device Dec 23 16:45:41 a lot of people will screw it up Dec 23 16:45:44 you wouldn't be able to do the searching on device Dec 23 16:45:55 since afaik quick install doesn't support dependencies like preware does Dec 23 16:45:59 oilsworkn, it would be transparent to the end user Dec 23 16:45:59 Preware loading has definitely improved though since it first came out Dec 23 16:46:06 so moving the feed to server-side Dec 23 16:46:17 means people with low data caps would be timid about using it Dec 23 16:46:26 oilsworkn, I have an API for ipkg feeds already made, you didn't know? Dec 23 16:46:41 nope Dec 23 16:46:53 oilsworkn, ideally it would be something that is changeable through a toggle "use API yes/no" Dec 23 16:47:11 if they use the API, their data usage will differ, but things will be faster (in most cases) Dec 23 16:47:26 i cold see that working Dec 23 16:48:24 PM'd you the info about the API Dec 23 16:49:07 this seems like more of a way to keep a package list in something like sqlite Dec 23 16:49:15 and use the deltas to update it Dec 23 16:50:06 but even so, preware would still need to support both feed styles Dec 23 16:50:14 since people like precentral aren't going to update to a new system Dec 23 16:50:26 they barely support half of what the feed can do right now Dec 23 16:51:29 but i am going to be getting down on some enyo-preware eventually Dec 23 16:51:41 and will keep this in mind Dec 23 16:51:52 * Abyssul wishes Dec 23 16:52:19 but i still need to come up with a good front-end design Dec 23 16:52:48 since mojo-preware "scenes as sliding panes" enyo conversion doesn't feel "right" Dec 23 16:53:13 and i dont want to just copy the catalog Dec 23 16:53:20 Does enyo have scenes? Dec 23 16:53:52 not in the same way mojo does Dec 23 16:53:56 Enyo is slow on the phones Dec 23 16:54:05 yeah Dec 23 16:54:10 Id just prefer the current layout but with enyo graphics Dec 23 16:54:15 I <3 enyo graphics Dec 23 16:54:21 but hp said they were going to continue to make tablets, but not phones Dec 23 16:54:37 so it only makes sense to do an enyo preware Dec 23 16:55:23 Just make the phone verison of enyo Preware with no sliding panes? Dec 23 16:56:24 yeah Dec 23 16:56:36 i would make sure it worked as expected on both formfactors Dec 23 16:56:57 Kind've like theme manager Dec 23 16:59:07 or tweaks Dec 23 17:24:13 please send send me infos on how to get linphone alpha release ? Dec 23 17:26:50 bleepz0ne: you need to talk to rwhitby, iirc Dec 23 17:27:02 bleepz0ne, yep, talk to rwhitby about that Dec 23 17:27:28 hello Dec 23 17:27:37 hello panel Dec 23 17:28:21 no, it's linked in the linphone thread Dec 23 17:28:59 ahh Dec 23 17:29:03 the first post in that thread isn't accurate anymore Dec 23 17:29:09 I don't keep up on linphone Dec 23 17:29:13 it's buried somewhere around page 11 or 12 Dec 23 17:38:32 dwc-: have you done the TTS A6 update on your veer? Dec 23 17:38:38 or 2.2.x? Dec 23 17:38:52 heck no, and no Dec 23 17:38:58 hah, ok Dec 23 17:39:20 got it. thx Dec 23 17:39:30 It was neat for about 5 minutes, but T2S isn't important enough for me to risk my $55 Dec 23 17:39:41 I wouldnt touch A6 with a 10 foot pole Dec 23 17:40:09 I might have thought about it if I didn't get a chance to play with it on touchpads/pre3s Dec 23 17:40:26 Thar Be Dragons there... Dec 23 17:40:42 you know what 10 foot poles are good for? keeping dragons away Dec 23 17:40:45 yeh, I'm gathering that from the precentral thread Dec 23 17:40:50 I was just curious if anyone had done it Dec 23 17:41:01 people have. both successfully and not Dec 23 17:41:19 right Dec 23 17:41:52 I know T2S is gimmicky, and I know that it's pretty limited Dec 23 17:41:57 but I really want it :) Dec 23 17:43:48 is it know what causes the bricking? is it people messing up the process? or is the process just incredibly volatile? Dec 23 17:44:03 incredibly volatile probably Dec 23 17:44:33 interesting Dec 23 17:44:46 not sure. I don't think anyone outside of palm has tried enough of them to make a really good evaluation of that Dec 23 17:44:46 which potentially means that it's not possible to do via an OTA? Dec 23 17:44:58 yeah, that's a good point Dec 23 17:45:18 it sounds like it's the update process that'd be used by an OTA or doctor. Dec 23 17:45:55 evening everyone, does anyone know how long is the installing process of the EPR from WOSQI? Thanks beforehand.. Dec 23 17:47:04 and there's no evidence of this ever becoming official? Dec 23 17:49:46 I haven't seen any... but I mean, we didn't really see 2.2.4 coming out on the pre2 before it showed up either Dec 23 17:50:15 if it really is that volatile in the wild though, I would expect them not to push the A6 update Dec 23 17:51:43 well, they presumably know precisely how to make it work Dec 23 17:51:56 or at least, in theory Dec 23 19:41:10 is there a way to increase the HTML5 offline storage size allowed? Dec 23 19:51:09 specifically websql Dec 23 20:17:49 summatusmentis, googling hasn't helped... what is TTS A6? Dec 23 20:18:33 RagingMind: A6 is the chip in the veer that controls power-management and Touch-to-share (with an updated firmware) Dec 23 20:18:59 someone purchased a veer off of ebay that had 2.2.3 on it (from somewhere, that OS is unofficial) Dec 23 20:19:13