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Dec 25 05:00:05 <dwc-> surely so
Dec 25 09:04:24 <fyodor_> hi, does anybody know whether Veer has a FM Radio module in hardware layer?
Dec 25 09:11:18 <dwc-> it does not
Dec 25 09:12:08 <dwc-> google would tell you that
Dec 25 09:15:29 <fyodor_> msm7230 contains a QTR8600 subsystem, right?
Dec 25 09:15:52 <fyodor_> The MSM7x30 family of chipsets is supported by the PM8058(TM) power management integrated circuit and the QTR8600(TM) RF subsystem with integrated Bluetooth® and FM radio
Dec 25 09:53:37 <PatrickC> rwhitby, you around? i heard back from the guy for MAP profiles.
Dec 25 09:56:32 <rwhitby> yes
Dec 25 10:06:19 <PatrickC> can it be put into the meta-doctor now that we have permission?
Dec 25 10:06:30 <PatrickC> i already have the wiki page up here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/MAP_Bluetooth_Legacy_Devices
Dec 25 10:11:20 <rwhitby> do you have a test script for it?
Dec 25 10:12:52 <PatrickC> i have the getbt script
Dec 25 10:13:49 <PatrickC> https://www.box.com/shared/static/1lgqzdsfq37huamzkz9s
Dec 25 10:16:22 <PatrickC> That was built by Jeff Steffs. the OP of the instructions
Dec 25 10:27:45 <rwhitby> that is not a complete meta-doctor script
Dec 25 10:28:00 <PatrickC> I know that. I dont know how to build a meta-doctor script
Dec 25 10:28:07 <PatrickC> which is why i came to you
Dec 25 10:28:38 <PatrickC> i also dont have any devices to test it on anymore. i wont have any until the end of next week probably
Dec 25 10:30:34 <PatrickC> i was hoping to get it added as a global option like the Enable_Beta_Feeds option in the makefile
Dec 25 10:32:08 <rwhitby> sorry, I don't have available time to do that
Dec 25 10:32:24 <rwhitby> there are many examples in the scripts directory.
Dec 25 10:32:38 <PatrickC> ill take a look at those
Dec 25 10:32:49 <PatrickC> ill have to find someone whos willing to test too..
Dec 25 10:32:55 <panel> hello
Dec 25 10:33:00 <PatrickC> hey panel
Dec 25 10:36:59 * PatrickC is off to bed
Dec 25 10:37:06 <panel> gnight
Dec 25 10:37:17 <PatrickC> night all. thanks rwhitby, ill work on a script and report back for someone to test once its done
Dec 25 10:38:03 <panel> if there's something to test
Dec 25 10:38:08 <panel> let me know
Dec 25 10:59:09 <stalane> anyone know how to switch off predictive text input on a Veer?
Dec 25 12:17:32 <EricBlade1> merry christmas everyone :)
Dec 25 13:17:53 <Shiggs|MB> EricBlade1: same 2 u
Dec 25 13:17:53 <Shiggs|MB> heh
Dec 25 13:24:24 <RichT23> happy birthday Jesus, hope you have made it up with your mum
Dec 25 14:49:36 <Terry> Hi all, may I ask a question regarding Veer, webOS 2.2.3 and TTS?
Dec 25 14:53:37 <Terry> Is it possible that TTS is also hardware-dependant? My Pre3 wit 2.2.3 does recognize my Tablet, my veer doesn't
Dec 25 14:55:05 <Terry> my tries: Veer with 1.2.1 and TTS enhancment (Meta-doctor) - no success, then upgrade to 2.2.4, no success, then downgrade to 2.2.3 - no success
Dec 25 14:55:24 <Terry> I hope my questin doesn't violate any rules
Dec 25 17:27:58 <Aliv3> hello touchpad-ers :) my preware is taking a really long time to download is that normal?
Dec 25 17:28:21 <Compn> to download which pacakage ?
Dec 25 17:28:55 <Compn> try clicking on the screen in the middle, it may have already downloaded and popped up a box which is underneath the active screen, for some reason this happens to me all the time
Dec 25 17:29:32 <Aliv3> org.webosinternals.preware_1.9.7_arm.ipk
Dec 25 17:29:46 <Aliv3> i cant see the screen i have the usb screen thing
Dec 25 17:29:51 <Compn> oh
Dec 25 17:30:02 <Compn> what are you using to copy it ?
Dec 25 17:30:02 <Aliv3> how do I make it go away without unplugging?
Dec 25 17:30:19 <Compn> i dunno , possibly hitting the home button
Dec 25 17:30:23 <Aliv3> the webos quick install jar on my windows 7 pc
Dec 25 17:30:29 <Aliv3> home button did nothing
Dec 25 17:30:39 <Aliv3> when its plugged in i think usb screen is stuck
Dec 25 17:30:43 <Compn> the WOQI isnt the official way to do things :(
Dec 25 17:30:50 <EricBlade1> you shouldn't have turned on USB mode
Dec 25 17:31:16 <EricBlade1> right click on "Safely Remove Hardware and Eject Media" in your windows Tray
Dec 25 17:31:22 <EricBlade1> then click Eject HP TouchPad
Dec 25 17:31:32 <Compn> oh yeah
Dec 25 17:31:38 <Compn> it needs developer mode not usb mode
Dec 25 17:31:48 <Compn> are you reading the instructions or watching the video correctly ?
Dec 25 17:31:57 <Aliv3> oh when i turned on dev mode it turned on usb too
Dec 25 17:32:37 <adrenaline_> Hello
Dec 25 17:33:24 <adrenaline_> I just got a hp touchpad and was wondering if it is worth it to pay the 99c to put ubuntu on it. Or should I just get an android tablet?
Dec 25 17:33:41 <Aliv3> ok it seems to have installed anyways when i went to the touchpad search
Dec 25 17:34:06 <Aliv3> OMG today's XRON just finished :)
Dec 25 17:34:28 <EricBlade1> this really isn't the channel for that adrenaline_, maybe try #touchpad .  But, i'm curious as to where you are looking that is charging money to put ubuntu on it.  And if you're going to get rid of it to get an Android, can I have your TouchPad ?
Dec 25 17:35:08 <Aliv3> adrenaline_: don't pay for ubuntu, its nice but free.
Dec 25 17:35:14 <adrenaline_> sorry I was on a website that was teaching how to put ubuntu on the touchpad and it said if we have any quesitons come here
Dec 25 17:35:30 <EricBlade1> ohh.. yeah i guess that might be the case
Dec 25 17:35:41 <EricBlade1> i forgot some of these guys maintain the ubuntu thing
Dec 25 17:35:45 <adrenaline_> I wasn't going to pay for ubuntu but the article said I have to pay 99c for some preware thing
Dec 25 17:35:54 <Aliv3> preware is free too
Dec 25 17:36:06 <adrenaline_> Not according to my app library
Dec 25 17:36:08 <EricBlade1> it's always good to support the developers by purchasing the preware documentation in the catalog :)  but it's not required.
Dec 25 17:36:14 <adrenaline_> there was no free option I could find
Dec 25 17:36:55 <EricBlade1> since you don't seem to be at all interested in having a touchpad, can i have yours?
Dec 25 17:36:57 <Aliv3> download webosquickinstall jar and start preware then goto on your touchpad and finish
Dec 25 17:37:00 <adrenaline_> I don't mind supporting developers but if I am not going to use the webos I would rather contribute ot ubuntu
Dec 25 17:37:07 <EricBlade1> :)
Dec 25 17:38:12 <adrenaline_> EricBlade1: I don't have anything against it two things bother me though. I have a linux network and I can't firgure out how to stream music/movies to the device and the screed is pretty dim even when I turn it up
Dec 25 17:38:41 <adrenaline_> Also a ssh client would be nice. This seems ot be more windows centric
Dec 25 17:39:03 <EricBlade1> i'm working on an app to stream media, using the subsonic media server
Dec 25 17:39:28 <adrenaline_> Ya I would just like to use what is already there. samba/cifs  or nautilus
Dec 25 17:40:06 <adrenaline_> I would really just like to connect to the network. I have an old android that is really slow and it connects with no additional software
Dec 25 17:40:13 <EricBlade1> those really aren't built for that purpose, but it is possible to get NFS or Samba support on webOS
Dec 25 17:40:24 <adrenaline_> REally? do tell
Dec 25 17:40:39 <EricBlade1> but there's no built in file networking support.
Dec 25 17:40:44 <adrenaline_> nfs will work too. I do have some nfs shares
Dec 25 17:40:50 <adrenaline_> dang
Dec 25 17:41:25 <EricBlade1> here's a really good thread on ubuntu http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/295909-easy-autoconfiguration-ubuntu.html
Dec 25 17:41:42 <adrenaline_> Cool I am going to check it out. Thanks EricBlade1
Dec 25 17:42:04 <EricBlade1> I found it very difficult to use Ubuntu on a tablet, but I find it very difficult to use Ubuntu on a PC, as well
Dec 25 17:42:18 <EricBlade1> those guys are masters of terrible UIs
Dec 25 17:42:26 <Aliv3> what other stuff should i get with my preware?
Dec 25 17:43:45 <EricBlade1> http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/293028-new-touchpad-heres-your-get-started-guide.html
Dec 25 17:49:17 <Aliv3> what do the governor modes mean like ondemandtcl
Dec 25 17:50:13 <EricBlade1> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt
Dec 25 17:50:44 <EricBlade1> wow good god that new touchpad post has become extremely long. i haven't read it since i got my first onei n august
Dec 25 17:50:49 <Aliv3> thanks
Dec 25 17:55:31 <dwc-> adrenaline_: if you are NOT goign to use webos on it seems like the *perfect* reason to support the -webos- developers actually
Dec 25 17:55:52 <dwc-> since they are the ones enabling you to get a lot more value out of your device
Dec 25 17:57:18 <panel> hello
Dec 25 20:29:24 <adrenaline_> Hello when I try and enter development mode I only have one option it is to change or add a password? How do I install preware?
Dec 25 20:32:17 <Compn> dont enter a pass
Dec 25 20:32:21 <Compn> just click submit or whatnot
Dec 25 20:33:04 <adrenaline_> yes but then when it launches the only option i have is to set a password
Dec 25 20:33:20 <adrenaline_> How do I get to the preware install
Dec 25 20:33:41 <Compn> might have to reset webos if there is a password already
Dec 25 20:33:51 <Compn> but i dont know if thats best.
Dec 25 20:34:23 <adrenaline_> I set a password and reset a password but the only option I get once I launch dev tools is to set or reset the password
Dec 25 20:34:37 <adrenaline_> How do I get to the place where I can install preware?
Dec 25 20:35:03 <Compn> theres a video to follow
Dec 25 20:35:05 <Compn> follow the video
Dec 25 20:36:50 <adrenaline_> wheres the video?
Dec 25 20:37:00 <adrenaline_> all I get is a password option
Dec 25 20:37:36 <Compn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63FVVjMxSWc
Dec 25 20:37:41 <Compn> theres some diff videos
Dec 25 20:38:27 <Compn> oh wait that one sucks
Dec 25 20:48:25 <adrenaline_> Suck I don't have a mac or a windows box. Am I out of luck?
Dec 25 21:11:15 <dwc-> linux works
Dec 25 21:15:55 <adrenaline_> I don't think you understand the question
Dec 25 21:25:00 <Compn> adrenaline_ : to get preware, you pretty much need to borrow a computer
Dec 25 21:50:05 <adrenaline_> EricBlade1: thanks for the advice I did htat and got it going. I installed bash but can't figure out how to start it? Can you help?
Dec 25 21:50:16 <adrenaline_> I installed bash through preware
Dec 25 22:40:30 <tez> yo
Dec 25 22:46:12 <stbuehler> you need a terminal
Dec 25 22:46:32 <stbuehler> like xterm (via xecutah)
Dec 25 23:03:35 <rwhitby> I love this statement: "I just got a hp touchpad and was wondering if it is worth it to pay the 99c to put ubuntu on it"
Dec 25 23:04:20 <rwhitby> adrenaline_: where is the article which says you *have* to pay 99c ?
Dec 25 23:08:09 * Compn smells troll
Dec 25 23:11:46 <panel> guys my TP is on the way, thanks to webos community :) especially Stevesrjr86 from webosnation forum
Dec 25 23:13:54 <Compn> howd you get it ?
Dec 25 23:15:04 <panel> Stevesrjr86 have buyed my one via craiglist
Dec 25 23:15:13 <panel> and send it to me
Dec 25 23:15:38 <Compn> ah cool
Dec 25 23:15:56 <Compn> yeah theres still plenty on craigslist and amazon
Dec 25 23:23:13 <adrenaline_> rwhitby: no the article doesn't say I have to pay 99c the article says if I have any questions come here. When I go to apps lib it says 99c
Dec 25 23:23:31 <adrenaline_> Not an issue I borrowed a mac and got it installed successfully
Dec 25 23:24:15 <adrenaline_> I am now in the middle of installing ubuntu on it. I am hoping it will stream from my network when I am finished
Dec 25 23:24:28 <adrenaline_> Or play movies that are not macified
Dec 25 23:24:50 <adrenaline_> Actually I would be happy If I could figure out how to get it to play .avi's
Dec 25 23:38:23 <rwhitby> adrenaline_: for 99c you could have saved yourself all that hassle and used the step by step instructions.  was your time worth it?
Dec 25 23:38:49 <rwhitby> the free info is cleverly hidden at http://install.preware.org/ ...
Dec 25 23:38:56 <panel> Compn I'm in EU and here are prices much higher than in US
Dec 25 23:39:03 <rwhitby> </sarcasm>
Dec 25 23:39:36 <rwhitby> adrenaline_: and which article says to come here for help for instructions they have copied from our wiki ?
Dec 25 23:39:50 <adrenaline_> Lets see if I can find it.
Dec 25 23:40:20 * rwhitby loves how articles copy the info to get the advertising revenue, but then point people to here so they don't have spend any valuable time supporting it
Dec 25 23:40:54 <adrenaline_> I am still looking but since I only have linux  boxes I don't figure paying for cheat sheets would help. usually then assume we all have windows boxes
Dec 25 23:41:08 <rwhitby> they should just link people to the wiki page, and if that is not detailed enough they should create an account and improve it
Dec 25 23:41:30 <rwhitby> adrenaline_: well, this one is cross-platform.
Dec 25 23:41:55 <GNUtoo> hi, did hp/palm already started releasing source for proprietary components? I'm mainly looking for the source of novacom because I cannot succeed at making precom talk to bootie
Dec 25 23:42:01 <rwhitby> cheat sheets written by open source linux developers don't just mention windows ;)
Dec 25 23:42:29 <rwhitby> GNUtoo: all that has happened so far is an announcement of an *intent* to open source webOS at some point in the future.
Dec 25 23:42:38 <GNUtoo> ok. thanks a lot
Dec 25 23:42:52 <rwhitby> look again in a couple of months I would expect
Dec 25 23:43:01 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 25 23:43:15 <adrenaline_> Well everything I found was how to install preware from a windows or a mac. I couldn't find one article saying how to install from linux so I figured I would save my 99c
Dec 25 23:43:33 <adrenaline_> Anyways I am close to having linux on it
Dec 25 23:43:39 <GNUtoo> because so far I looked at opensource.palm.com but the usual stuff....thanks a lot for the infos
Dec 25 23:43:43 <rwhitby> adrenaline_: that's cause the articles are written by people who have no interest in actually helping you, but just getting advertising dollars
Dec 25 23:43:45 <panel> adrenaline_ but you can donate ;)
Dec 25 23:43:46 <GNUtoo> I'll wait....
Dec 25 23:43:56 <rwhitby> adrenaline_: the PHD app is written by the developers.
Dec 25 23:44:07 <adrenaline_> I will donate once I get Linux up
Dec 25 23:44:21 <rwhitby> adrenaline_: who have an interest in making sure that you get things working without increasing the support load
Dec 25 23:44:40 <adrenaline_> I understand
Dec 25 23:45:17 <rwhitby> and who quite unashamedly expect folks who use the tool to buy the app to help support it
Dec 25 23:45:35 <rwhitby> (or donate via an alternative method)
Dec 25 23:46:02 <rwhitby> (expect, not require)
Dec 25 23:46:50 <adrenaline_> I donate a lot of money to opensource apps. Especially it they are awesome. Most opensourse users/hackers do I believe
Dec 25 23:47:01 <adrenaline_> opensource
Dec 25 23:47:20 <rwhitby> adrenaline_: excellent
Dec 25 23:48:10 <panel> adrenaline_ I'm just trolling :)
Dec 25 23:48:38 <panel> because this is a such great comunity
Dec 25 23:49:11 <rwhitby> adrenaline_: forgive my attitude please, most of the folks who balk at the 99c have no intention of giving back anything. you are obviously not one of those folks.
Dec 25 23:49:24 <adrenaline_> Has anybody figured out how to play movies that aren't macified or stream a samba network with one of these?
Dec 25 23:49:47 <rwhitby> uberkernel has cifs support, and there is a homebrew app to mount shares
Dec 25 23:49:48 <adrenaline_> Nope I just didn't want to pay because I didn't figure it would do me anygood
Dec 25 23:50:06 <adrenaline_> awesome now that is news I can use?
Dec 25 23:50:10 <rwhitby> adrenaline_: yeah, in general a good assumption, but does not apply here.
Dec 25 23:50:32 <dwc-> touchplayer plays AVIs
Dec 25 23:50:38 <adrenaline_> What is the name of the homebrew app?
Dec 25 23:50:57 <adrenaline_> I did a search for touchplayer but it couldn't be found
Dec 25 23:51:02 <rwhitby> I forget, something about touchpad shares
Dec 25 23:51:09 <dwc-> try google, it's not findable in preware
Dec 25 23:51:10 <adrenaline_> Could it be spelled differently?
Dec 25 23:51:15 <Brybry> adrenaline_, macified? there's touchplayer (in preware) which uses mplayer as a backend
Dec 25 23:51:22 <dwc-> s/preware/preware with the default feeds/
Dec 25 23:51:23 <infobot> dwc- meant: try google, it's not findable in preware with the default feeds
Dec 25 23:51:38 <Brybry> though it has some audio sync/lag issues with 720p+ h264 mkvs
Dec 25 23:51:48 <Brybry> and then you have kalemsoft's media player
Dec 25 23:52:03 <Brybry> though I don't believe that's free
Dec 25 23:52:07 <adrenaline_> I uploaded a .avi file and it can't even see it
Dec 25 23:52:30 <Brybry> I've played avis with touchplayer
Dec 25 23:52:38 <adrenaline_> cool I am googling it now
Dec 25 23:52:45 <Brybry> and with kalemsoft's media player
Dec 25 23:53:24 <adrenaline_> I was reading that kalemsoft will only read mac extension videos so I didn't try it. Maybe the updated it
Dec 25 23:53:36 <panel> have to go to sleep
Dec 25 23:53:37 <panel> bye
Dec 25 23:54:14 <Brybry> what you were reading was probably wrong
Dec 25 23:54:20 <Brybry> but I don't even know what a 'mac extension video' is
Dec 25 23:54:27 <Brybry> maybe you mean .mp4 containers
Dec 25 23:54:32 <adrenaline_> something like M4a
Dec 25 23:54:41 <cat-xeger> Novel... the 2.2.4 update turned on the wifi on my phone, sans authorization.
Dec 25 23:55:01 <Brybry> it's read most stuff I've thrown at it
Dec 25 23:55:06 <halfhalo> kalemsoft is not limited to a 'mac extension video' at all.
Dec 25 23:55:35 <Brybry> whatever you were reading was probably commenting on hardware video decoding or something
Dec 25 23:56:19 <adrenaline_> Could be that is why I am here to have you set me straight lol
Dec 25 23:59:36 <rwhitby> cat-xeger: maybe they added carrier-iq ...
Dec 26 00:30:45 <lingfish> ok so.. stupid question time -- is there an emulator image/SDK for 2.2.4?
Dec 26 00:33:05 <dwc-> not a stupid question
Dec 26 00:33:26 <dwc-> the best answer I know of is to go to where you got the SDK for whatever version you have (3.04?)
Dec 26 00:33:36 <dwc-> and look at the list of other images they have
Dec 26 00:33:43 <lingfish> Right.
Dec 26 00:34:20 <lingfish> cdn.downloads isn't all taht helpful with DirectoryIndex listings ;)
Dec 26 00:34:58 <lingfish> Last SDK I have in VB is 2.0.1 :/
Dec 26 00:36:58 <lingfish> I'm attempting to update the bypass PIN patch, and in theory shouldn't mess around on my prod Pre 3
Dec 26 00:37:11 <dwc-> pfft
Dec 26 00:37:30 <dwc-> as long as you have backups and novacom handy, you can undo it
Dec 26 00:37:51 <dwc-> there should be images for 2.1 and 2.2
Dec 26 00:38:00 <lingfish> Well sure, I know that ;)  I mean from a purist-perspective.
Dec 26 00:38:35 <lingfish> yeah, odd... I goto the SDK section and they only list 3.x, and in older versions, 2.2.0
Dec 26 00:38:41 <lingfish> I'll try under 2.2.0
Dec 26 00:39:02 <lingfish> File not found.
Dec 26 00:39:03 <lingfish> :/
Dec 26 00:39:45 <dwc-> https://developer.palm.com/ -> download the 3.0.4 sdk -> ?
Dec 26 00:39:55 <dwc-> I get a non-404 for 2.2.0
Dec 26 00:40:39 <lingfish> dwc-: yeah sorry, I was trying to get a dirindex, taking off the last portion of the 2.2.0 URL
Dec 26 00:40:47 <lingfish> and got the above error.
Dec 26 00:42:38 <lingfish> I thought you meant basically doing that... taking a URL, knocking a bit off the end and getting a HTTP DirIndex for others
Dec 26 01:43:02 <bhuey> ~.
Dec 26 01:43:03 <infobot> methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for.
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