**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 27 02:59:56 2011 Dec 27 03:23:09 i have a problem / dilemma. i have an OG Pre with a unlocked GSM board reassembled into it, and it's turned on in airplane mode. Dec 27 03:26:03 is it best to used the meta-doctor created with the "meta-wr-franken-sprint-pre-2.1.0 --wifi-only" script, OR use Impostah to switch profiles ? Dec 27 03:41:00 hey all Dec 27 03:41:53 hello Dec 27 04:21:29 meta-wr-franken-sprint-pre-2.1.0 --wifi-only FTW :) Dec 27 07:02:46 Hi everyone. Dec 27 07:04:10 hi Dec 27 07:05:10 I'm putting ubuntu on my palm pre following this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179657 :D Dec 27 07:06:41 isaac: be aware that most instructions on xda regarding webOS are incorrect or obsolete. Dec 27 07:06:53 rwhitby: I think that "regarding webOS" qualifier is unnecessary. Dec 27 07:07:23 It was the only tutorial I saw for the pre. Everything else regarding ubuntu chroot is for the touchpad Dec 27 07:07:55 isaac: in fact, that particular thread has completely incorrect instructions Dec 27 07:08:01 oh :< Dec 27 07:08:42 I just finished. Dec 27 07:08:59 which were pointed out to the thread author (who, in fact, has nothing to do with the actual development of the item in question), who refuses to fix the thread even after admitting it contains completely incorrect information Dec 27 07:09:30 Ok. Dec 27 07:09:55 Uhm Dec 27 07:10:00 isaac: everything to do with ubuntu chroot is identical for any webOS device, phone or tablet. Dec 27 07:10:48 I specifically designed it that way. Dec 27 07:11:42 Can you help me to undo what I did, and install correctly, please? Dec 27 07:12:17 well, you can't have followed those instructions exactly, as the testing feeds they refer to no longer exist. Dec 27 07:12:35 so you will need to write down exactly what you did, leaving out no details. Dec 27 07:12:36 I skipped that part because all the stuff was in the normal feeds Dec 27 07:12:41 Ok Dec 27 07:13:09 so you did the loopfs, then installed xecutah and ubuntu chroot ? Dec 27 07:13:17 I installed Xecutah and XTerm, then I installed SDLTerminal. Dec 27 07:13:35 well, SDL Terminal is superflous if you have Xecutah installed Dec 27 07:14:04 but will do no harm Dec 27 07:14:16 then in SDLTerminal I did the stuff he put, but I didn't wait until it went to a normal cursor again, and started to install, it eventually froze up and failed, and I checked the terminal and suddenly there was a bunch of stuff saying that it made the ubuntu partition thing Dec 27 07:14:34 and I used 2097152 Dec 27 07:14:39 ok Dec 27 07:14:52 then I installed ubuntuchroot again Dec 27 07:14:53 if the mount command works, you should be fine Dec 27 07:14:55 and it went succesfully Dec 27 07:16:50 It's still installed, and when launched from Xecutah it launches a card that has an x on it that moves to where you touch, and the background is red green and blue pixels all close together or something. Dec 27 07:17:09 that's the x server Dec 27 07:17:17 and it closes and then goes to a terminal Dec 27 07:17:32 So should I uninstall ubuntu? Dec 27 07:18:08 in the terminal, type "cat /etc/issue" Dec 27 07:18:41 It said "Ubuntu 11.04 \n \l" Dec 27 07:18:56 you have ubuntu installed and running perfectl Dec 27 07:19:06 :D Dec 27 07:19:57 I thought it was broke because the first time I ran it, I hit ubuntu like 5 times because I didn't think it was actually being pressed, as sometimes happens with buttons in webOs *doy* Dec 27 07:20:06 Thank you very much :) Dec 27 07:20:29 btw, use webosnation.com forums in the future for your webOS information Dec 27 07:21:26 Thank you, I just found that post by a quick google search. I searched before, but the tutorial I found was specifically for the touchpad, and I'm pretty sure only worked on it Dec 27 07:31:44 On a side note, what should one study/learn if they wanted to one day do stuff like port android/ubuntu or jailbreak devices and stuff like that? Dec 27 07:33:53 first, install a linux distribution on your desktop computer and learn the command line. then learn how to compile things. then learn how to cross-compile things. Dec 27 07:35:40 Ok, thank you :) Dec 27 08:50:11 Hmm, does ubuntu not work with a different kernel? I installed UberKernel and Govnah, and now when I start ubuntu it stays at the x cursor page for a few seconds, flashes the ubuntu terminal, and then goes back to the x cursor page forever Dec 27 09:09:58 Ok, I uninstalled both, and ubuntu still doesn't work so apparently I broke it somehow already -.- Dec 27 10:59:06 ubuntu works fine with uberkernel Dec 27 11:00:34 Not sure what I did wrong, but after I installed lxde, I tried to open chromium a few times and it kept crashing, then I installed uberkernel and it did the luna restart, and then ubuntu wouldn't work after that. So either it chrome broke it, or installing uberkernel broke it, I think. Dec 27 11:02:03 I'm reinstalling ubuntu now. Is it normal to have to apt-get install lxde multiple times until it finally recommends apt-get -f install and it finally works? Dec 27 15:08:16 Brybry: I talked to ben yesterday about the bluetooth, he said there are new bt keyboard related APIs coming out post 3.0.5 Dec 27 15:08:42 ^^^ sorta makes me feel warm and fuzy to hear there might actually be a road map of webos evolution Dec 27 15:24:34 that is pretty exciting, actually. Dec 27 15:24:54 I'm playing with the bt kb I got for xmas... figuring out what it can and can't do Dec 27 15:36:08 PuffTheMagic_: that is good news. Dec 27 15:40:15 hopefully that includes ability to select cards from keyboard :) Dec 27 15:40:53 although with all the UIs for everything being built for touching, that still doesn't make nearly as big of an improvement as it seems it should. at least, not for interactive things Dec 27 15:41:36 I just wish there was an ESC key on the keyboard. :P Dec 27 15:41:51 i wish the keyboard worked right in Splashtop Dec 27 15:41:52 or alt (or both!) Dec 27 15:43:47 esc would be very nice for xterm alone Dec 27 15:44:15 kevets: exactly. Dec 27 15:44:21 * jtrucks uses xterm a lot on it. Dec 27 15:44:29 and arrows to be able to navigate card view and scroll would be awesome Dec 27 15:44:41 yeah, that would be helpful. Dec 27 15:44:57 i'm pretty sure that someone said that the arrows to navigate card view was "planned" Dec 27 15:45:03 it's like most of webOS... it is sooooooo close to being nearly perfect Dec 27 16:01:46 i really hate how the messaging app likes to completely ignore both the bluetooth and the vkb when it's launched from a notification Dec 27 16:01:55 carding it and bringing it back fixes it though Dec 27 17:52:38 who borked the palm profile server? Dec 27 18:30:48 any brave people in here have a sprint pre- and want to try something? Dec 27 18:31:21 sethron, what do u mean? is it down? Dec 27 18:31:31 * PatrickC hasnt tried doing anything with it in a while Dec 27 18:31:40 PatrickC: i would if it was activated on a carrier Dec 27 18:32:01 yeah. forgot to say that the pre- needs to be activated :) Dec 27 18:32:10 this is testing MAP on the pre- Dec 27 18:32:13 PatrickC: https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface ?? Dec 27 18:34:24 sent a tweet to webosdev, adora, and unwiredben Dec 27 18:48:26 i just dowloaded preware and it loaded fine now im at the main screen and it wont let me view the package updates or the available packages Dec 27 18:48:40 copas, screenshot? Dec 27 18:48:50 whats that Dec 27 18:50:11 can u take a screenshot and upload it somewhere so that i can view it? Dec 27 18:50:42 yea where do you want me to upload it at? Dec 27 18:51:10 anywhere where i can view it :) Dec 27 18:51:18 box.net/dropbox/omploader/etc Dec 27 18:52:14 ok hang on just a second please Dec 27 18:52:18 .ok Dec 27 18:53:00 i copied and plasted the link and it said this upload form is now closed????? Dec 27 18:53:21 to where? Dec 27 18:53:56 the link you just gave me the box.net/dropbox/omploader/etc Dec 27 18:54:09 that isnt a link :) Dec 27 18:54:15 i was saying any of those services Dec 27 18:54:22 the / was a seporator for the services Dec 27 18:55:15 ok im there now Dec 27 18:58:27 copas: what feeds to you have enabled? Dec 27 18:58:57 copas, and what is the screen showing? which is why i was asking for a screenshot :) Dec 27 18:59:29 optware, precentral, webos-internals, webos-kernals, and webos-patches....they were all enabled when i downloaded Dec 27 18:59:47 and what does the main scene say? Dec 27 19:00:02 copas: what device, os version? Dec 27 19:01:51 it has 4 different selections package updates, avaiable packages, installed packages and list of everything.....and the package updates and available packages are real light grey and wont let me click on them Dec 27 19:02:05 sethron, how do i check the OS version? Dec 27 19:02:12 device info Dec 27 19:02:22 and what device is it? Dec 27 19:02:43 its a 32 gb HP touchpad Dec 27 19:03:18 HP webos 3.0.0 is the version Dec 27 19:03:25 you need to update Dec 27 19:03:34 are you on a wifi network? Dec 27 19:03:44 yes i am Dec 27 19:03:54 go to the "system updates" app Dec 27 19:04:04 ^^ Dec 27 19:04:13 webOS 30.4 is the newest webOS version thats out Dec 27 19:04:31 ok its waiting for network now Dec 27 19:06:40 its not doing anything just says waiting for network???? Dec 27 19:06:54 in the "system updates" app? Dec 27 19:07:35 ok....it came up now and said your device is up to date without having me do any kind of update Dec 27 19:07:39 does it do it itself??? Dec 27 19:07:44 hmm.... Dec 27 19:08:39 that shouldnt be Dec 27 19:08:48 you are signed into a palm profile, right? Dec 27 19:09:42 im not sure.....how was i suppose to do that....i just got this tablet yesterday so im not 100% sure about it Dec 27 19:10:47 what did u do when you first turned it on? Dec 27 19:11:45 it had me put in an email address Dec 27 19:11:59 and did u choose a language? Dec 27 19:12:04 yes Dec 27 19:12:07 ok Dec 27 19:12:10 then u activated it. Dec 27 19:12:19 ok Dec 27 19:12:31 now.... i think you might just have to go to palm.com/rom and download the appropraite webOS doctor and doctor it Dec 27 19:12:41 if it isnt finding the webOS update via the system updates app Dec 27 19:12:41 ok ill try that Dec 27 19:12:54 reboot, and try the system updates app once more before doctoring Dec 27 19:13:26 http://www.box.com/s/jk7ld9gfqrfovjinl2m4 there is the link to the screen shot Dec 27 19:13:45 hmm... Dec 27 19:13:54 screenshot of the system updates app? Dec 27 19:14:10 and if u have box.net, then u take a screenshot on device and upload it with the box.net app :) Dec 27 19:14:14 no the main preware screen Dec 27 19:14:37 i meant could u give me a screenshot of the system updates app :) Dec 27 19:14:40 cool....how do you take a screen shot Dec 27 19:15:06 hit the home button and the power button at the same time Dec 27 19:15:14 i took that picture with my cell phone Dec 27 19:15:19 thanks....ill have to remember that Dec 27 19:17:19 hang on just a sec i rebooted these thing boot up slow!!! Dec 27 19:17:26 copas, where did u get the touchpad? Dec 27 19:17:35 and is the app catalog available useableZ? Dec 27 19:17:55 its a refurbished one i ordered it from HP Dec 27 19:17:59 ok Dec 27 19:18:17 yea i can use the app catalog Dec 27 19:18:37 what country did u activate it in? Dec 27 19:18:56 United states Dec 27 19:19:01 hrmm..... Dec 27 19:22:11 ok i restarted it and went to the updates and says there is still no updates available Dec 27 19:22:25 hit the refresh button one last time before doctoring Dec 27 19:23:25 it still says your device is up to date Dec 27 19:23:31 ok Dec 27 19:23:40 then i think the webOS doctor is you best bet Dec 27 19:23:45 http://palm.com/rom Dec 27 19:23:53 ok ill try it Dec 27 19:23:54 well, i got to go Dec 27 19:23:59 cya. and good luck Dec 27 19:24:01 ok thanks for your help Dec 27 19:24:08 np Dec 27 19:31:40 I'm trying to correct the wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_Plus#Baking_tokens_into_the_meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0_script Dec 27 19:32:10 I followed the instructions a while ago and ended up with a Sprint Pre+ with no access to Palm Profile. Dec 27 19:32:23 I'd like edit privs so that I can correct that part of the page. Dec 27 19:32:36 Wiki username is: ChairmanTubeAmp Dec 27 19:33:29 Can anyone grant me edit privs? Dec 27 19:33:31 Thanks Dec 27 19:49:30 Bueller? Dec 27 22:00:05 hmm Dec 27 22:45:09 I just moved from my palm pre to a galaxy nexus and am looking to keep my pre to "toy" with....has anyone put just a vanilla linux kernel on it? something like with buildroot? Dec 27 22:57:46 martin_beauchamp: done Dec 27 22:58:27 Thanks! Dec 27 23:09:29 rwhitby: can you verify that this is the 100% correct list of tokens that need to be specified in castle.xml during the "baking tokens into meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0" process? Dec 27 23:09:40
Dec 27 23:09:41 Dec 27 23:09:41 Dec 27 23:09:41 Dec 27 23:09:42 Dec 27 23:09:42 Dec 27 23:09:43 Dec 27 23:09:43 Dec 27 23:09:43 Dec 27 23:09:43 Dec 27 23:09:44 Dec 27 23:09:44 Dec 27 23:10:09 there is no need to change BATT* Dec 27 23:10:19 Ok Dec 27 23:10:35 the rest look fine Dec 27 23:10:59 IRC server says I was throttled. List is also here: http://pastebin.com/KDsmLL0v Dec 27 23:11:46 yep, that's fine Dec 27 23:13:42 Ok, they're gone. Dec 27 23:14:08 I noticed that they are also in the main section of the page (to pre+ to 1.4.5). Dec 27 23:14:12 Is that a problem? Dec 27 23:18:17 Ok, I just lost my test handset until tomorrow. Dec 27 23:19:23 rwhitby: Can you spot the reason that these instructions result in an invalid DMSets token after doctoring with all initial tokens correct? Otherwise, I'll have to experiment tomorrow... Dec 27 23:19:55 dmSets is determined by the installer.xml in the webOS.tar and carrier.tar Dec 27 23:20:05 it is written by the doctor on every flash Dec 27 23:20:42 unless you disable carrier and model, right? Dec 27 23:21:18 if you disable either of those you are guaranteed to get an incorrect dmSets Dec 27 23:21:33 Ok, I'm going to point that out in this section. Dec 27 23:23:29 rwhitby: Could you take a look at this and tell me what I'm doing wrong, please? http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/308907-patch-help.html Dec 27 23:23:42 Appologies if this isn't the place for this. Dec 27 23:24:06 hi Dec 27 23:25:15 rwhitby: Just curious - if it is written on every flash, why is it sometimes necessary to doctor using 1.4.1.1 to correct an invalid dmSets? Dec 27 23:25:48 that's to correct a 9.9.9 on the server, not an invalid dmSets Dec 27 23:26:05 Ah, ok Dec 27 23:27:33 I got confused because initially I was given the wrong webOS Profile password by my guinea pig. I eventually figured that out, but I came to an invalid conclusion about what was needed to fix dmSets... Dec 27 23:29:20 Ok, I've made those minor corrections to that section. Unfortunately, I can't follow the procedure from start to finish because the dmSets problem is now fixed and I don't have a test device in the mid-Franken state anymore. So I'm not going to remove the warning that the section is wrong. Dec 27 23:29:45 But its slightly less wrong than before :) Dec 28 00:38:59 i am not able to play online divx files, is there a way to setup the divx codec for browser Dec 28 01:10:58 * PatrickC is looking for someone with a pre- that they are willing to doctor. they also have to have a touchpad Dec 28 01:11:01 phone must be activated Dec 28 01:14:41 PatrickC: why do you never tell people *why* you want such a thing first? Dec 28 01:14:56 sorry.. its for testing my MAP meta-doctor script Dec 28 01:15:03 i thought i said that, sorry rw Dec 28 01:15:06 rwhitby* Dec 28 01:15:37 Being obscure is cool now, didn't you know? Dec 28 01:16:20 iirc, rwhitby suggested to abandon all hope for the pre- some time ago Dec 28 01:16:57 ugh.. sorry. i meant to say "pre" as in "pre-/pre+" Dec 28 01:17:03 * PatrickC is doing other things while typing Dec 28 01:17:07 not a good thing for me lol Dec 28 01:19:34 sethron_: on the other hand, I just got 2.2.4 running on an old Pre- ... Dec 28 01:19:46 rwhitby, awesome Dec 28 01:19:51 how slow is it? Dec 28 01:20:02 rwhitby: wow, mazel tov! Dec 28 01:21:59 http://forums.webosnation.com/palm-pre-pre-plus/309350-webos-2-2-4-palm-pre-pre.html Dec 28 01:22:11 * sethron_ wonders if 2.2.4 will work on my old pre- with the gsm comm board assembled into in as well as 2.1.0 Dec 28 01:23:48 is that why ws.palmws.com is down ;-) ? Dec 28 01:24:48 what, the doctor downloads are down?? crap cuz I needs to dl one.. ! is that related to me failing to git pull a new metadoctor? Dec 28 01:25:03 oh got it Dec 28 01:25:17 DarkdowN: no, just the site where you can check your profile(s) Dec 28 01:25:28 Rod must have gotten tired of me calling git.webos-internals a github and moved it.. :) Dec 28 01:25:46 my profiles? OH! that's a great idea! Wait, that requires forking right? Dec 28 01:27:24 hmm, clearly not (since there are only 2 forks).. i iz curiuz Dec 28 01:28:09 oh we're talking about different things, ignore me.. :) Dec 28 01:28:26 except that I just came up with a great idea :) Dec 28 01:29:03 huh.. my palmprofile doesn't even show me as logged in.. why does palm hate me having a pre3? Dec 28 01:30:16 maybe it knows how broken the screen si Dec 28 01:32:01 dwc-: oh this problem started on my original Pre3 :( Dec 28 01:32:26 I can't stay logged into any AT&T Pre3.. w Dec 28 01:32:48 maybe it's upset I'm not using the SIM I activated it with.. Dec 28 01:33:05 oh well, i guess that means I can doctor my pre2 to 2.2.4 and login to it.. (I guess it's an invitation) Dec 28 01:35:45 woa, a pre+ to 2.2.4 metadoctor? Hot! I didn't expect that to be possible.. Dec 28 01:36:27 it hurts me a little inside to update metadoctor and see opal scripts.. ;^) Dec 28 01:40:05 make yourself a .gitignore Dec 28 01:40:27 (or .git/info/exclude) Dec 28 01:42:57 ooo that's one way, heh.. I was hoping more i could get an opal! :) Dec 28 02:22:08 * DarkdowN just logins into github to 'watch' projects, but never actually watches ;^| Dec 28 02:42:10 how do I invoke save+restore from the CLI? Dec 28 02:43:00 oh think i found it :) Dec 28 02:43:18 * sethronTP guess lunasend Dec 28 02:45:50 * sethronTP just printed a web page from TP to hp psc 1315 printer :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 28 02:59:57 2011