**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 02 02:59:56 2012
Jan 02 04:08:47 <nambrot> hi everyone
Jan 02 04:09:07 <nambrot> is there anyone that could help me with my new pixi plus?
Jan 02 04:12:10 <nambrot> please?
Jan 02 04:12:20 <Kiralexis> What help do you need?
Jan 02 04:12:41 <nambrot> I need to find a way to use it
Jan 02 04:12:50 <nambrot> i got it from amazon as an unlocked pixi plus
Jan 02 04:13:00 <Kiralexis> What's your carrier?
Jan 02 04:13:00 <nambrot> but it has the at&t branding on it
Jan 02 04:13:08 <nambrot> and i wanna use it on tmobile
Jan 02 04:13:11 <nambrot> in the us
Jan 02 04:13:18 <Kiralexis> Have you tried putting your t-mo SIM into it?
Jan 02 04:13:22 <nambrot> yeah
Jan 02 04:13:27 <Kiralexis> What result?
Jan 02 04:13:32 <nambrot> but i come to the general first use app
Jan 02 04:13:47 <nambrot> but then i can not connect to the internet
Jan 02 04:13:55 <nambrot> since i have not activated the tmobile card yet
Jan 02 04:14:06 <nambrot> and it doesnt have a data plan eitheir yet
Jan 02 04:14:23 <Kiralexis> Activating the card would probably be a good start
Jan 02 04:14:35 <nambrot> i dont have another unlocked phone to do so
Jan 02 04:14:51 <nambrot> like i need to receive a text message from tmo
Jan 02 04:14:54 <nambrot> i think
Jan 02 04:15:20 <nambrot> alhtough i am not even sure whether i do need to activate it
Jan 02 04:15:24 <Kiralexis> This card has never been used before?
Jan 02 04:15:39 <nambrot> it might already work, but in order to log into my.tmobile, i need to reeive a text
Jan 02 04:15:48 <nambrot> yeah, i just bought a brand new sim card
Jan 02 04:16:03 <Kiralexis> Might want to give tmo a card
Jan 02 04:16:05 <Kiralexis> er, a call
Jan 02 04:16:31 <nambrot> you mean to put a dataplan on it so that i can create the palm profile?
Jan 02 04:16:52 <Kiralexis> Yeah. Just explain the situation, see what you need to do.
Jan 02 04:16:53 <nambrot> i was thinking of using meta doctor to bypass the activation, enter wifi, and then create the profile
Jan 02 04:17:06 <Kiralexis> That should work too
Jan 02 04:17:22 <nambrot> so my question for that was
Jan 02 04:17:29 <nambrot> which doctor version do i download
Jan 02 04:17:43 <nambrot> like it is supposed to be an unlocked pixi plus
Jan 02 04:17:50 <nambrot> but the wiki doesnt have that option
Jan 02 04:18:02 <nambrot> there are only versions for at&t
Jan 02 04:18:04 <Kiralexis> If it's AT&T branded, probably the AT&T pixi plus doctor
Jan 02 04:18:09 <nambrot> oh ok
Jan 02 04:18:20 <nambrot> is there any way, it could reverse the unlock?
Jan 02 04:18:32 <Kiralexis> Doubt it, but don't take my word for it
Jan 02 04:18:36 <nambrot> hm
Jan 02 04:18:49 <nambrot> thats like the one thing i was concerned with
Jan 02 04:20:43 <nambrot> what would you recommend
Jan 02 04:21:38 <Kiralexis> If you're not feeling adventurous, talk to t-mobile and maybe get it activated with data
Jan 02 04:22:57 <nambrot> do you know whether one of those day plans are sufficient or whether i need the monthly plan?
Jan 02 04:23:38 <Kiralexis> Day plan whould be enough. What I don't know is whether T-Mobile does automatic addition of a data plan if it detects a smartphone (but I don't think they do)
Jan 02 04:24:25 <nambrot> i shouldnt have to change APN settings though, right?
Jan 02 04:24:53 <nambrot> when i first tried to activate it without it sort of asked for it, but i assume it did, since it first try didnt work, since i do not have a data plan
Jan 02 04:25:23 <Kiralexis> not sure on that one.
Jan 02 04:26:45 <nambrot> kk
Jan 02 04:26:53 <nambrot> thank you for your help
Jan 02 04:27:30 <Kiralexis> good luck :)
Jan 02 04:31:47 <nambrot> im just gonna post if anyone later might have an idea
Jan 02 04:32:33 <nambrot> I have an unlocked pixi plus with at&t branding that I would like to use meta doctor on, however I am unsure about which webos doctor version i should use and whether I could lose the unlock possibly
Jan 02 04:56:39 <nambrot> I have an unlocked pixi plus with at&t branding that I would like to use meta doctor on, however I am unsure about which webos doctor version i should use and whether I could lose the unlock possibly
Jan 02 04:57:41 <wrea> I dont think you'd loose the unlock, but you can always get it unlocked again
Jan 02 04:58:11 <wrea> the att version should work fine and if you lose the unlcok you can follow these instructions: dogber1.blogspot.com/2011/07/unlocker-for-palm-pre-gsm-phones.html
Jan 02 05:34:35 <nambrot> thanks wrea
Jan 02 05:34:45 <wrea> np
Jan 02 05:34:50 <nambrot> i am still kinda afraid of the possiblity of losing the unlock sort of
Jan 02 05:48:33 <wrea> with the link you shouldnt have any problem with unlocking it, if you lose it.
Jan 02 05:53:34 <nambrot> ok
Jan 02 05:53:43 <nambrot> is there anyway to save the current image of my phone?
Jan 02 06:05:06 <rwhitby> "make backup" in the meta-doctor.
Jan 02 06:05:20 <rwhitby> restoring what that creates, however, is left as an exercise for the reader.
Jan 02 06:05:23 * rwhitby bbl
Jan 02 06:40:49 <EricBlade1> hmm.  anyone else confirm that ##LOGS# doesn't work in 2.2.4?
Jan 02 07:16:57 <quotemstr> Have you guys seen the NY Times article on WebOS's supposed failures?
Jan 02 07:17:10 <quotemstr> www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/technology/hewlett-packards-touchpad-was-built-on-flawed-software-some-say.html
Jan 02 07:50:44 <hewball> anyone else notice 2.2.4 not matching numbers in the address book for sms notifications but is for calls and in messaging app it does
Jan 02 07:52:02 <rwhitby> hewball: turns out you need both +618... and 08... numbers in contacts for both matches to work. Yes, it's considered a webOS upgrade ...
Jan 02 07:56:05 <hewball> rwhitby: weird :(
Jan 02 07:56:51 <rwhitby> yeah, they put in some super duper phone number state machine thing, and it's a step backwards from a simple last N numbers match
Jan 02 07:57:23 <hewball> makes sense, maybe it needs more smarts with area code too :(
Jan 02 07:57:48 <rwhitby> until I fixed it, the Pre 3 wouldn't even dial 1800 numbers
Jan 02 07:58:10 <hewball> i never tried that, cant say i ring them from mobile much
Jan 02 07:58:16 <rwhitby> but yeah, it's pretty much unusable as far as contact matching goes.
Jan 02 07:58:24 <rwhitby> probably a deal breaker for many people
Jan 02 07:58:40 <rwhitby> since a phone should, you know, be a phone ...
Jan 02 07:58:41 <hewball> just means i need to open messaging to see who sent it
Jan 02 08:00:09 <hewball> tis a nice phone to use after so many iphones
Jan 02 08:00:57 * rwhitby bbl
Jan 02 08:03:19 * krushia pets his 1.4.5
Jan 02 08:13:17 <wrea> hey hewball
Jan 02 08:13:25 <quotemstr> I don/part
Jan 02 08:13:29 <quotemstr> Dammit.
Jan 02 08:28:30 <hewball> afternoon wrea
Jan 02 08:33:45 <bhuey> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/technology/hewlett-packards-touchpad-was-built-on-flawed-software-some-say.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
Jan 02 10:43:16 <dwc-> EricBlade1: #*LOGS# if you're on GSM
Jan 02 10:44:13 <dwc-> and wrea, redoctoring does not lose the unlock
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Jan 02 14:31:03 <panel> hello
Jan 02 14:31:32 <GNUtoo> hi
Jan 02 14:34:27 <panel> ia any special recomended procedure to activate touchpad ?
Jan 02 14:34:37 <panel> *is
Jan 02 14:37:57 <GNUtoo> no idea, I've no touchpad
Jan 02 14:39:05 <panel> ok, I have it only few minutes :)
Jan 02 14:39:27 <panel> Till today I have only Pre2
Jan 02 14:41:49 <hewball> mugen just sent me shipping confirmation for a pre3 battery
Jan 02 14:43:02 <panel> nice, I was looking at muger for Pre2 battery
Jan 02 15:41:46 <mOo> i want to bundle sqlite3 database data and query it in service. is there any example and/or doc i can peek into?
Jan 02 16:36:22 <EricBlade1> which file are app logs stored in? /var/log/messages?
Jan 02 16:38:26 <EricBlade1> trying to figure out why i get no logging at all on my 2.2.4 apps.. there's nothing going in there but system messages ..
Jan 02 16:44:32 <EricBlade1> umm.. my Skype password is stored in plaintext on my device. wth?
Jan 02 16:46:39 <rrix> How would the device log in without you giving a password, otherwise?
Jan 02 16:49:27 <EricBlade1> i believe the system normally encrypts all of that sort of stuff.  in the account or key manager ...  here it's just sitting there in the /var/log folder
Jan 02 17:05:48 <dwc-> sounds like debug logging, not intentional "storage"
Jan 02 17:22:45 <EricBlade1> dwc-: well, sure, but it shouldn't be there. ben says it's fixed in 3.0.5
Jan 02 17:26:15 <PuffTheMagic> i wisht hat would come out alraedy
Jan 02 17:28:42 <Brybry> "fixed in 3.0.5" as some poor soul is sent scurrying to fix it now =p
Jan 02 17:33:50 * PuffTheMagic is working on box drawing character support in wTerm so that midnight commander works
Jan 02 18:05:56 <dwc-> wow, people actually use midnight commander?
Jan 02 18:06:08 <dwc-> I remember using norton commander
Jan 02 18:15:12 * uNiXpSyChO heard "mc" and had a flash back to old-school Linux 1.2
Jan 02 18:16:31 <dwc-> norton commander was kinda nice because dos's tools sucked
Jan 02 18:16:58 <dwc-> ... and if you hid stuff in directories named with alt+numbers you could get into them easily later
Jan 02 19:06:01 <|abbie|> this might be a noob question, but is there a CSS file I can change to change the default font in webOS?
Jan 02 19:08:09 <|abbie|> I would think I could change a css file in the enyo framework and just add a body{font-family:xxx;}
Jan 02 19:08:14 <|abbie|> has anyone tried that yet?
Jan 02 19:17:48 <IceXtreme> Hi
Jan 02 19:23:36 <|abbie|> hi
Jan 02 19:24:38 <summatusmentis> does anyone know anything about increasing the size of local storage that webpages are allowed to access?
Jan 02 20:09:58 <krushia> hey, I'm wondering if anyone can suggest the best way to set up a transparent proxy rule that forwards all http traffic to a port (where I have polipo listening). I read http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/SetupSquidTransparentProxy and appied it's metho
Jan 02 20:10:00 <krushia> ds to ppp.up which kinda works but it stomped by freetether
Jan 02 20:10:27 <krushia> talking webos 1.4.5
Jan 02 20:30:25 <DerDaniel> hey there
Jan 02 20:33:44 <DerDaniel> also asking here: there was a project on XDA named "Palmdroid"...it's somethin like a alien dalvik, android emulator on webOS.
Jan 02 20:33:53 <DerDaniel> someone know what happened to it?
Jan 02 20:35:34 <wrea> never even heard of it
Jan 02 20:45:29 <DerDaniel> what a pitty :(
Jan 02 20:45:42 <DerDaniel> and what about port a android app in webos?
Jan 02 20:52:55 <dwc-> talk to the author
Jan 02 20:54:50 <DerDaniel> i already had but they won't port it
Jan 02 20:55:14 <ka6sox> then if its some opensource license you are golden, if not, you are screwed.
Jan 02 20:57:29 <dwc-> not necessarily screwed..., you can legally reverse engineer protocols and such
Jan 02 20:57:38 <dwc-> and build a clone
Jan 02 20:57:49 <dwc-> but that's not so much a 'port'
Jan 02 20:58:51 <DerDaniel> well, I'm a bloody noob and atm i'm preparing for my exams but after it i could learn ;)
Jan 02 20:59:49 <DerDaniel> how can i do this?
Jan 02 21:00:15 <RagingMind> DerDaniel, what's the actual app/function that you're looking for?
Jan 02 21:00:36 <DerDaniel> it's a kind of messenger
Jan 02 21:00:42 <DerDaniel> do you know textone?
Jan 02 21:03:30 <DerDaniel> http://www.whatsapp.com/
Jan 02 21:39:23 <Brybry> PuffTheMagic_: do you know if there is a public/private bus notification that's sent when the virtual keyboard is resized (and if so, what?). Or any place to look myself to see if there is one.
Jan 02 21:42:39 <Brybry> it looks like there is (like if I run ls-monitor) and switch between sizes while the browser is open I see chatter from com.palm.systemservice but hmm
Jan 02 21:48:53 <wrea> sconix, so, yeah, I gave up last night lol
Jan 02 21:49:49 <sconix> wrea: so no idea what is causing it?
Jan 02 21:50:49 <wrea> sconix, no idea at all. Dont know why its looking in /usr and I'm sure thats causing the problem
Jan 02 21:51:28 <sconix> wrea: actually I think the entry in config.log just means that it skipped the /usr option and used the correct under the staging dir as it should
Jan 02 21:51:42 <sconix> did you get it to build with sb2?
Jan 02 21:51:56 <wrea> sconix, Yeah, builds fine with sb2
Jan 02 21:52:21 <sconix> have you compared the config.log to see what variables are different
Jan 02 21:53:16 <wrea> Yeah, didnt see anything
Jan 02 21:53:32 <sconix> it has something to do with libtool thats for sure
Jan 02 21:54:25 <wrea> yeah
Jan 02 21:55:02 <wrea> only thing i can think of is that it is trying to use the library in /usr/lib and that when you're in sb2 it remaps /usr so that doesnt happen
Jan 02 21:55:42 <sconix> googling about that error just keeps telling that -dlopen or -dlpreopen needs to be used but not understanding how
Jan 02 21:56:06 <sconix> at least all infos about that error say thats being the cause but I must say my knowledge falls bit short
Jan 02 21:56:43 <sconix> but if I look at the ltdh.h file there is a define for that so if that file gets included shouldn't the error say something else
Jan 02 21:57:45 <wrea> well, in my config.log i get undefined reference to `dlopen'
Jan 02 21:59:24 <sconix> ah so I see, is there that when build in sb2?
Jan 02 22:00:27 <wrea> let me look
Jan 02 22:33:42 * Brybry shakes fist at bluetooth keyboard special buttons
Jan 02 22:35:41 <Brybry> if you hit the 'toggle virtual keyboard' button, dismiss the virtual keyboard using the screen control, and then hit the toggle button again it does nothing (cause it thinks it has to dismiss it again), and so you have to hit the toggle twice
Jan 02 22:36:10 <Brybry> and all virtual keyboard PDK functions silently fail when the bluetooth keyboard is active =/
Jan 02 23:06:19 <DMeister-IT> Hi for O2 pre- what is the best file test. to use to bring webOS 2.2.4? verizon plus or bellpre?
Jan 02 23:09:18 <DMeister-IT> is there anyone?
Jan 02 23:09:50 <summatusmentis> people don't automatically answer all the time
Jan 02 23:10:01 <summatusmentis> ask your question, stick around and wait for an answer
Jan 02 23:10:17 <rwhitby> DMeister-IT: for O2, you'd use -wr
Jan 02 23:12:21 <DMeister-IT> but the script that is here http://forums.webosnation.com/palm-pre-pre-plus/309350-webos-2-2-4-palm-pre-pre.html is an "alpha" version?
Jan 02 23:18:36 <DMeister-IT> Thanks Rod :D and sorry summatusmentis
Jan 02 23:20:28 <projectAlarum> Hello all
Jan 02 23:20:44 <summatusmentis> DMeister-IT: no need to apologize, it's just that this is a low-traffic channel, and assuming that it's immediate response won't get you the answers you're looking for
Jan 02 23:20:48 <summatusmentis> hi projectAlarum
Jan 02 23:24:15 <rwhitby> DMeister-IT: all the test-* scripts have the same status
Jan 02 23:26:53 <DMeister-IT> uhm ok... i have my pre- with 2.1 with usb perfectly resized to increase the RAM and it works at 100%.  You advise me to try?
Jan 02 23:29:28 <rwhitby> It's test-* - If you need to ask, then you shouldn't try it.
Jan 02 23:31:00 <DMeister-IT> this is the answer I wanted to hear ;) --- ahah :P
Jan 02 23:41:48 <PuffTheMagic> http://ompldr.org/vYzEwcQ/wterm_2012-02-01_183109.png
Jan 02 23:41:53 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ midnight commander
Jan 02 23:43:27 <projectAlarum> Anyone know if canvas translate/rotate works on text in webOS?
Jan 02 23:44:11 <projectAlarum> Enyo*
Jan 02 23:50:40 <EricBlade> I think Canvas is fully implemented, but don't quote me on that
Jan 03 00:45:06 <PatrickC> NO WAY!!!
Jan 03 00:45:13 <PatrickC> oops... wrong channel
Jan 03 00:45:19 * PatrickC heads to correct channel
Jan 03 00:45:48 <rrix> PatrickC: YA WAY!!!
Jan 03 00:46:59 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 03 01:26:10 <ClickGamer>  i need help
Jan 03 01:26:20 <PatrickC> with what?
Jan 03 01:26:36 <ClickGamer> My Pre3 doesn't install anything from preware
Jan 03 01:27:18 <ClickGamer> Currently i want to install the E-Mail swipe patch.
Jan 03 01:28:05 <dwc-> what happens when you do
Jan 03 01:28:25 <ClickGamer> I see that the patch is fully downloaded, but it just loads and loads...
Jan 03 01:28:38 <dwc-> reboot
Jan 03 01:30:02 <ClickGamer> Online here with my Pre3 too, see you all in 2 mins.)
Jan 03 01:40:47 <UnfriendlyMoose> Can someone direct me to where I can download preware for my Pre3? Im on Ubuntu
Jan 03 01:41:15 * dwc- looks at the topic
Jan 03 01:42:42 <ClickGamer> Ok here i am again and it is working now.
Jan 03 01:43:02 <ClickGamer> But now, i have an other question...
Jan 03 01:43:58 <UnfriendlyMoose> Never mind I found the documentation.
Jan 03 01:44:25 <ClickGamer> What is ''Remove Android'' in the ''Available other Packages''?
Jan 03 01:46:46 <rwhitby> ClickGamer: what does the package description say it is?
Jan 03 01:48:12 <ClickGamer> It removes Android related files but why does an user need this? Is the User getting more free space?
Jan 03 01:49:50 <rwhitby> that depends whether the user had previously installed android on their touchpad or not
Jan 03 01:51:06 <ClickGamer> Now i understand, totally forgot that Android is available for the Touchpad.
Jan 03 01:51:40 <ClickGamer> Would be cool if these guys at XDA release android for the Pre 3.
Jan 03 01:52:03 <summatusmentis> if you want an android phone, why not just get one?
Jan 03 01:52:46 <dwc-> I'd rather have android for webos
Jan 03 01:52:54 <dwc-> just to run the occasional app
Jan 03 01:53:05 <rwhitby> good luck being sued by oracle
Jan 03 01:53:11 <dwc-> yea, it'll be great
Jan 03 01:54:15 <ClickGamer> Because i don't have so much money. I bought the Pre 3 for 70€. The Pre 3 has good hardware but the wrong software.
Jan 03 01:54:51 <summatusmentis> I would argue that it has the right software, and all those android phones have the wrong software
Jan 03 01:54:59 <summatusmentis> but that's neithere here nor there
Jan 03 01:55:58 * rwhitby points ClickGamer and summatusmentis to the /topic
Jan 03 01:56:06 <summatusmentis> noted
Jan 03 01:56:08 <summatusmentis> sorry
Jan 03 01:56:48 <ClickGamer> It depends from which side you see it. Android is good for customization etc. Since WebOs is good for business.
Jan 03 01:57:02 * rwhitby points ClickGamer again to the /topic
Jan 03 01:57:55 <ClickGamer> Sorry, i have to leave anyway. See you.
Jan 03 02:54:34 <PuffTheMagic> http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/309714-beta-wterm-webos-terminal-emulator.html
Jan 03 02:57:24 <wrea> :)
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