**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 03 02:59:57 2012 Jan 03 03:06:24 PuffTheMagic: stickied it Jan 03 03:08:19 thanks Jan 03 03:08:26 PuffTheMagic, looks really good! Jan 03 03:09:11 thanks, im getting pretty pleased with it, still a few tests it doesnt pass but I will figure them out Jan 03 03:11:39 PuffTheMagic: for resizing (vertical) I do something like https://gist.github.com/b95087ec30ce61bd6934 (where the offset modifies the value returned by getMaximumLinesOfText()) Jan 03 03:11:59 but it's definitely a kludge and I need to figure out a cleaner way to do it Jan 03 03:13:03 there should probably be an "updateDimensions()" method Jan 03 03:13:40 which sets new maxlines/maxcols and margins based on resolution of term area Jan 03 03:13:49 though, with how you have it as a hybrid app it may be easier to do Jan 03 03:14:41 well first step would be make a menu option that shows/hides the vkb Jan 03 03:15:00 then when u make that go away, u can then resize the pdk plugin area Jan 03 03:15:17 and then after that u can call a plugin method with updates the terminal Jan 03 03:15:25 is how i think i would do it at least Jan 03 03:21:49 Brybry, i will push something to hide/show the kb Jan 03 03:30:14 Brybry, pushed Jan 03 04:13:14 hmm. my primary touchpad is now experiencing the camera problems Jan 03 04:13:33 same as we had when we were using the wrong kernel briefly Jan 03 04:56:44 EricBlade, I've never used the camera on mine Jan 03 04:57:10 i wanted to take a self portrait, and the Pre isn't very good for that. neither is my iTouch Jan 03 04:57:32 i guess neither is the TouchPad, but i wanted to use it. and if i wanted to Skype, I'd need it Jan 03 04:58:47 My ipod touch is a lowly 2G, no camera Jan 03 05:03:50 yay, pulsemodules built Jan 03 05:27:43 what's up with no new apps in the last two weeks Jan 03 05:28:00 from the app catalog Jan 03 05:33:04 reviewers are on holidays I expect Jan 03 05:37:33 HP has a week shutdown too Jan 03 05:37:35 I guess you mean the only reviewer Jan 03 05:38:20 navinag: no, I meant what I said, not what you guess. Jan 03 05:40:42 I hear you .....easy....not looking for a quarrel :-) Jan 03 05:49:14 has been a fix for the TP accelerometer on 3.04 Jan 03 05:49:37 I have not heard anything on this in a while Jan 03 05:49:54 not sure... i hope there is soon Jan 03 05:50:14 I meant...has there been a HB fix? Jan 03 05:51:01 http://forums.webosnation.com/archive/index.php?t-305165.html <- first post. seems like a good idea Jan 03 05:51:06 theory* Jan 03 05:52:28 yeah..maybe Jan 03 05:52:54 I guess we will see with 3.05 Jan 03 05:52:59 yeah Jan 03 05:53:48 would be nice if it worked or the few times I actually play those games Jan 03 05:54:54 yeah Jan 03 05:55:07 i hope someone comes up with a hb fix soon Jan 03 05:55:54 im off to bed. night all Jan 03 05:59:03 it has just occured to me that privoxy's configuration pages can be easilly changed... and adapted with a native webos feel Jan 03 06:03:01 privoxy also accepts intercepted (via iptables) requests from the non-proxy-friendly web0s 1.xx browser Jan 03 06:03:31 and it has extensive filtering capability to tweak pages to work with the browser Jan 03 06:04:13 just fyi Jan 03 06:04:19 i see an app here Jan 03 07:44:38 hello Jan 03 07:46:29 olleh Jan 03 07:46:41 hey PaNeL Jan 03 07:47:10 he never sleeps Jan 03 07:48:43 I do too lol Jan 03 07:49:08 is any way how can I update saved package list in preware? I forgot to backup it and now I can't uninstall uberkernel :/ Jan 03 07:55:58 I think only way is doctor Jan 03 08:05:00 saved package list is not related to ability to install/uninstall Jan 03 08:05:17 it just keeps a list of the stuff you currently have so you can with one-click install them all again later Jan 03 08:09:06 but after fullerasing I have still installed uberkernel, but preware don't have any information about it Jan 03 08:09:23 and I can't install it again Jan 03 08:09:35 or un install Jan 03 08:09:50 you know about the recovery kernel, right? Jan 03 08:11:05 yes, but don't know what exactly does it Jan 03 08:11:42 but if you say it, I think I have to use it Jan 03 08:13:57 thank you, will try it Jan 03 08:15:46 ohh, you did a full erase... left that part out Jan 03 08:16:24 any time you do a full erase, you should doctor too Jan 03 08:18:39 ok, time for some Pre 2 uberkernel testing ... Jan 03 08:23:03 what do you think about enabling the kexec feature in uberkernel? Jan 03 08:24:03 why? Jan 03 08:26:38 for example, it will allow you to try native ubuntu/bodhilinux without installing moboot and messing up with lvm partitions Jan 03 08:29:43 where does the root filesystem go then? Jan 03 08:33:00 rwhitby: thanks worked Jan 03 08:35:36 LunohoD: if you can get kexec to work, we will add them to every single kernel Jan 03 08:35:49 LunohoD: no-one has ever been able to get it to work Jan 03 08:36:01 so, please, be the first. Jan 03 08:38:31 hey rwhitby Jan 03 08:38:50 * bhuey screwing around with NFS on OS X and Linux wondering why it's so slow Jan 03 08:41:41 bhuey, wifi or RNDIS? Jan 03 08:50:02 eh ? Jan 03 08:51:50 are you connecting via RNDIS over USB or WiFi? Jan 03 08:54:44 * dwc- blames poor nfs configuration and poor interop possibly, respectively Jan 03 08:55:17 heh Jan 03 08:59:26 LunohoD: how would enabling kexec allow you to avoid messing with lvm partitions to boot native ubuntu/bodhilinux? Jan 03 09:00:35 and, btw, do you have someting against using moboot? Jan 03 09:16:40 ka6sox: shit for networking performance in general Jan 03 09:16:52 I'm not sure if I have time to mess with this Jan 03 09:19:53 the wifi sleeps too much Jan 03 09:20:03 I use RNDIS mode on the USB Jan 03 09:20:10 full transfer rate, this is a macbook Jan 03 09:20:18 via ethernet Jan 03 09:20:22 kk Jan 03 09:20:37 restarting into Linux to verify that it's the kernel/NFS on this OS or something Jan 03 09:20:43 oh sorry. Jan 03 09:20:50 should read better Jan 03 09:20:57 its preformance sucks...yes, it does Jan 03 09:29:21 something wrong with the general networking Jan 03 09:29:42 I'm getting 300-400kbytes over this ethernet connection Jan 03 09:29:48 might be the switch Jan 03 09:30:40 jcsullins: you can have your rootfs in a single file laying somewhere in /media/internal Jan 03 09:31:47 jcsullins: i have nothing against using moboot Jan 03 09:31:50 LunohoD: do you have kexec working on the webOS kernels? Jan 03 09:32:29 rwhitby: no, I have not tried yet Jan 03 09:36:20 LunohoD: please fork from https://github.com/webos-internals/webos-linux-kernel when you do Jan 03 09:37:22 rwhitby: ok Jan 03 09:40:31 bhuey, thats awful. Jan 03 09:42:40 going to try to upgrade dd-wrt Jan 03 09:43:10 rwhitby: would rather see kgdb working Jan 03 09:55:39 hello all, I'm new to webos development. I currently have problem with synergy connector development. Could some one please explain the proper return value of a Custom Validator? Jan 03 09:58:45 I can't. Jan 03 10:02:33 thanks for your reply... seems that no body use synergy Jan 03 10:16:05 tao: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/synergy/account-manager.html#validator help? Jan 03 10:16:44 * EricBlade sighs Jan 03 11:05:31 rwhitby: my first boot with uberkernel pre2 2.2.4 failed to start bluetooth .. rebooting to see if it's just a temp thing Jan 03 11:11:04 looks like second boot, it did start up, although it had lost memory of having ever been paired to anything else Jan 03 11:13:45 EricBlade: sounds like an unrelated db8 or cookie failure Jan 03 11:13:57 the kernel doesn't have much to do with bluetooth or pairing at all Jan 03 14:22:10 Brybry, ping Jan 03 14:41:16 * Brybry yawns Jan 03 14:41:17 good morning Jan 03 14:41:49 PuffTheMagic: what's up? Jan 03 14:42:26 i have somethng for you Jan 03 14:42:35 :D Jan 03 14:43:00 its in the box.net folder for wterm Jan 03 14:43:12 you can see how i did it by looking the commits on github Jan 03 14:43:21 "resize terminal area when vkb visibility changes Jan 03 14:43:21 " :D Jan 03 14:43:58 now i need a sane portrait mode layout Jan 03 14:54:14 the video resizes fine but the terminal and such are still running off of the old line counts Jan 03 15:00:53 ya im fixing that now Jan 03 15:04:16 I really like the SDL_VIDEORESIZE bit Jan 03 15:05:00 i still cant get the display to redraw on its own when font size is changed :( Jan 03 15:16:59 you should be able to do it with inheritence, I think? Jan 03 15:17:15 huh? Jan 03 15:17:47 well, the problem would be that sdlcore knows nothing about terminalstate/terminal, right? Jan 03 15:19:24 which issue are you talking about? Jan 03 15:19:40 how you said you couldn't get the display to redraw on its own when font size is changed Jan 03 15:20:22 ya, calling redraw does not help Jan 03 15:22:23 font size changes->cols/lines(rows) but terminalstate/terminal can't pick up on that by themselves, sdlterminal has to tell them but the font size is changed within sdlcore Jan 03 15:23:35 so the terminalstate/terminal would have to be 'resized' based on the new font from the pdk setFontSize function or sdlcore would have to set a flag that sdlterminal could pick up on to do it Jan 03 15:23:47 or override sdlcore's setfontsize in sdlterminal Jan 03 15:24:13 well the thing is after the font size is changed, if u press a character it resizes Jan 03 15:24:25 and i dont think any other rows/cols are updated Jan 03 15:24:33 hmm, that's weird Jan 03 15:24:39 i mean... Jan 03 15:24:45 im not saying the rows/cols are right Jan 03 15:24:49 s/right/correct/ Jan 03 15:24:50 PuffTheMagic meant: im not saying the rows/cols are correct Jan 03 15:24:55 I could be wrong in how I think it works Jan 03 15:24:57 but at least the window is redrawn Jan 03 15:25:08 the rows/cols still need to be updated im sure Jan 03 15:25:23 but i want it to redraw with out a keypress Jan 03 15:26:16 Brybry, u gonna fork wterm so u can play with it ever? Jan 03 15:26:48 yeaaaaaaah, probably Jan 03 15:30:00 I'm pretty much done playing with bluetooth events and the webos virtual keyboard handling in base sdlterminal, I can catch the (HP) bluetooth keyboard connecting/disconnecting and resize the terminal based off of that Jan 03 15:30:53 and the webos vkb hiding/restoring and resize off of that (while handling the size of it by grabbing the size pref at app start) Jan 03 15:34:22 Brybry, what do you mean "HP bt keyboard connecting/disconnecting" Jan 03 15:34:37 are you using the official GAP api call Jan 03 15:34:45 nah, lunaservice.h Jan 03 15:34:51 or are u using that private method that exposes the hid event? Jan 03 15:35:04 and I create a LS "client" on the private bus Jan 03 15:35:09 with role files that give me permission to do that Jan 03 15:35:22 using this: http://git.webos-internals.org/libraries/lunaservice/ Jan 03 15:36:16 but not exactly like how impostah does it (as I didn't want to run my own lunaservice, just be able to talk to services on the private bus) Jan 03 15:40:23 PuffTheMagic: like this https://gist.github.com/98db4a15ea5d55201b6e Jan 03 15:40:25 pretty much Jan 03 15:41:55 I ran into issues because the PDK registers on the public bus under the app's normal handle (I think when it does PDL_Init()) so I had to tell the role file that I could use two handles and set the permissions for the second handle Jan 03 15:43:09 i guess i should integrate my pdl stuff into SDLcore like that Jan 03 15:43:15 and be more object oriented Jan 03 15:43:25 i havent done C++ in years Jan 03 15:43:29 eh, it's all personal style Jan 03 15:43:31 and same =x Jan 03 15:43:53 I used to be pretty heavy into C++ but then I dropped off for some years Jan 03 16:59:14 does the TP auto adjust the display brightness or something? Jan 03 17:23:14 has any one experience crackling only during voice calls? is this a comm board issue and are there any known fixes? Jan 03 17:23:25 on a pre - Jan 03 18:02:58 PuffTheMagic: yes. you can turn it off Jan 03 18:44:43 on a pre - has any one experience crackling only during voice calls? is this a comm board issue and are there any known fixes? Jan 03 18:47:34 I hadn't before I stopped using it Jan 03 18:51:06 I have been using mine for over 2 years and just started this past weekend and I dont plan on getting a non webos device until it has been ported. Jan 03 18:51:41 ported? Jan 03 18:51:44 until what has been ported? Jan 03 18:51:53 webos to other hardware Jan 03 18:53:14 ah Jan 03 18:55:27 hey all Jan 03 19:53:29 Rockstar and a slim jim. Breakfast of champions Jan 03 19:54:22 hi 24/7 wrea :) Jan 03 19:54:34 hey Jan 03 19:58:21 And I'll have you know I do sleep Jan 03 19:59:18 :)) Jan 03 19:59:29 but every time I connect you are here :) Jan 03 19:59:32 sure you do... Jan 03 19:59:46 but you're not from eu Jan 03 20:05:42 I went to sleep after i built pulsemodules Jan 03 20:10:05 * Puffy_TP is ashamed to be using irssi on wTerm instead of wIRC Jan 03 21:15:00 * oilsworkn scolds PuffTheMagic Jan 03 21:27:10 on a pre- has any one experience crackling only during voice calls? is this a comm board issue and are there any known fixes? Jan 03 22:50:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZl44TBIXOc&feature=youtu.be Jan 03 23:54:35 Hi Jan 03 23:55:30 someone have the TextOne ipk ? I've doctored my device and I forgot to save the application!!! Jan 03 23:55:57 DMeister-IT, you need apptuckerbox! Jan 03 23:56:40 it's not available from the catalog, iirc Jan 03 23:57:22 I just doctored and anyway I don't think that my Pre- with 2.2.4 with no-modified-kernel support all app in apptuckerbox, it will crash... Jan 03 23:57:41 http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps/308242-textone-not-working-anymore.html Jan 03 23:58:04 apptuckerbox has no dependency on modified kernels Jan 03 23:58:14 I know, but it still work Jan 03 23:58:31 if you have the application... Jan 03 23:59:10 this is not the place to ask for other people to share software they do not have redistribution rights to Jan 03 23:59:49 try apptuckerbox per ka6sox's suggestion... otherwise, http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.textone.app suggests not available Jan 03 23:59:53 ah in that sense it's right sorry Jan 04 00:00:32 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.skype huh... marked for pre/pixi/veer/pre2 now Jan 04 00:00:55 I should go see if that means they updated the carrier restrictions when they added them Jan 04 00:01:02 but, the tmo pre3 is at home Jan 04 00:01:05 certainly does not make much sense to withdraw from the application catalog and leave work again xD Jan 04 00:02:52 Do you believe that skype app will work right now on legacy device??? I'm just flashed to 2.2.4 also for that reason!!! Jan 04 00:03:47 try it and see Jan 04 00:03:56 I don't have any 2.2.4 devices on me at the moment Jan 04 00:04:09 just a 2.1.0 and a 3.0.4 Jan 04 00:05:36 is now standing on the bar recovery profile ... uhmmmmmm ... hopefully good ... Jan 04 00:14:04 sup ya Jan 04 00:14:14 * bnceo waits for wrea's auto response script... Jan 04 00:15:26 screw you, bnceo Jan 04 00:15:29 hows that? :P Jan 04 00:17:49 hahaha Jan 04 00:19:59 working as expected I see Jan 04 00:23:14 :D Jan 04 01:28:55 on a pre- has any one experience crackling only during voice calls? is this a comm board issue and are there any known fixes? Jan 04 01:55:36 howdy folks Jan 04 01:55:52 anyone here use a TP with MacOS? Jan 04 02:31:02 yay, now i dont have to deal with the toolchain anymore Jan 04 02:35:04 wrea: yeah, it all finished building :) Jan 04 02:36:08 rwhitby, thanks :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 04 02:59:58 2012