**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 04 02:59:58 2012 Jan 04 03:23:19 ChaoWang: test Jan 04 03:23:30 ChaoWang, test Jan 04 03:23:38 * uNiXpSyChO failed Jan 04 05:03:07 What's the difference between the Uber Kernel and the F4 Kernel? Jan 04 05:14:55 check the pkg descriptions Jan 04 05:23:07 b3d0u1n: if you don't know what the difference is, you should use uberkernel Jan 04 05:29:29 alright, rebuilding toolchain mostly went off without a hitch Jan 04 06:39:54 is there *any* way to recover a device with broken a6 firmware? Jan 04 06:47:54 lol Jan 04 06:48:06 no publicly documented way, no Jan 04 06:48:30 the auto-focus on my at&t pre3 broke. a friend sent me his vzw pre3 for parts Jan 04 06:48:49 he said that the a6 firmware is fried. how do i double check that that is the issue? Jan 04 07:31:32 Hi Jan 04 07:32:03 I've a very simple question here. Can anyone answer it? Jan 04 07:34:58 if we dont know the question, thats hard to tell Jan 04 07:45:03 hmm Jan 04 07:48:06 avahi find the lib, but then since it doesn find it in subsequent dirs, it fails Jan 04 08:21:27 PatrickC: what did he do to his vzw pre3 that messed up the a6 Jan 04 08:21:44 no clue Jan 04 08:22:32 PatrickC, has he tried to fix it? Jan 04 08:23:12 don't think so. he told me it couldn't be fixed to his knowledge Jan 04 08:24:13 sorry. accidentally closed the wirc window Jan 04 08:24:36 * PatrickC wishes his bouncer had the log... Jan 04 08:25:18 send it here then :D Jan 04 08:25:30 just noticed he's online :) I'll see if he tried anything Jan 04 08:25:37 or here Jan 04 08:25:51 ka6sox: well, I would like to try to fix it so I can use it :) as the auto-focus on my at&t pre3 broke.. Jan 04 08:26:06 ha ha ha...not likely Jan 04 08:26:14 that bad? Jan 04 08:26:17 yes Jan 04 08:26:18 it is Jan 04 08:26:27 TOAST. Jan 04 08:26:35 ouch. is there a way that I can double check that its the a6? Jan 04 08:26:48 throw it against a wall Jan 04 08:26:56 lol Jan 04 08:27:02 see if it sticks. Jan 04 08:27:10 works 100% of the time, 40% of the time Jan 04 08:27:37 is that the a6 weather report? Jan 04 08:27:37 where is the a6 stored? could I take the back off (the part that has the camera) and put it on another device and expect it to work?) Jan 04 08:27:42 lol Jan 04 08:27:47 ... Jan 04 08:27:48 a6 is a processor Jan 04 08:27:54 ah Jan 04 08:28:06 * PatrickC has only taken the top of the back off... Jan 04 08:28:14 is the processor and the camera on the same part? Jan 04 08:28:16 how would you have expected to fix anything if you didnt know what you were fixing? Jan 04 08:28:37 wrea: first, I needed to find out what was broke. then needed to figure out if it was fixable lol Jan 04 08:28:57 oh boy Jan 04 08:29:07 let me get out of this icebox...bbiaf Jan 04 08:29:09 if you have no idea what you're doing, you might as well use a sludge hammer to fix it Jan 04 08:29:12 cya Jan 04 08:29:53 Hi, how do I install Preware? Jan 04 08:30:20 * PatrickC points Suman_ to /topic Jan 04 08:34:31 I've a Palm Pre Plus with 1.4.5 version of webOS. I wanted to know how to install Preware apps on my phone. Jan 04 08:36:35 Suman_: http://bit.ly/phd-ac will tell you how Jan 04 08:37:50 Thanks buddy!! Jan 04 09:30:09 ka6sox: ping Jan 04 09:30:54 yes? Jan 04 09:32:28 PM? Jan 04 10:19:42 Hi there. Got a Pre Plus here. It's not my main phone anymore and I wonder if there is a good place for ~messing around~ with these devices - and if this it is? Jan 04 10:20:30 Thought about dissecting the thing (in software, I'm useless with my hands) and learn a little about embedded linux in the process? Jan 04 10:21:17 Possible? Possible, but makes more sense if(f) the OS finally really ends up being released as open source? Jan 04 10:40:27 Blafasel: I think you are in the right place ... just not right time (nobody awake it seems) Jan 04 10:43:05 Blafasel, yes, this is the place to do that sort of thing.... Jan 04 10:43:21 europe is working and the US is asleep (well...we should be) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 04 10:54:15 2012 Jan 04 10:55:28 rwhitby: the former, yes. The latter is new. Jan 04 10:55:44 (and yeah, I can connect with the 'should be working' thing) Jan 04 10:56:07 * rwhitby is neither in US or Europe Jan 04 10:57:10 Same here Jan 04 11:00:58 Blafasel: the logs of this channel will also tell you lots of things Jan 04 11:02:20 Hmm.. Good idea, but maybe more relevant for specific searches. Otherwise I'm going to read logs for days now and they're going to throw me out of this office here, I assume. :) Browsing the git projects right now. Jan 04 11:32:35 folks Jan 04 14:45:08 hello guys Jan 04 14:51:15 trying to get Ubuntu chroot running again (worked a few months ago) Jan 04 15:14:53 pc Jan 04 15:26:53 Anyone know the going price for a new and used sprint pre? Jan 04 15:27:22 Is there any document about laucherpoints? I would like to create custom launcher icons Jan 04 15:29:12 elpollodiablo1, can you *find* a new pre? Jan 04 15:29:35 there is one on ebay right now, so they day Jan 04 15:29:38 say* Jan 04 15:31:38 correction it is not "new in bax" but Mint condition opened to take pics Jan 04 15:31:46 box* Jan 04 16:07:02 this audio distortion thing in 3.0.4 is really getting old Jan 04 16:39:08 holy crap the pre3 comes in a much smaller box Jan 04 16:41:06 and YUP, the pre3 looks a LOT nicer than the pre2 Jan 04 16:41:24 RagingMind: 'grats on your pre3 :D Jan 04 16:43:09 I used ALL of the money I got for xmas to buy it Jan 04 16:43:45 actually this thing looks even nicer than my Pre+ which is something I haven't been able to say about a phone until now Jan 04 16:53:01 anyone with a pre3 have any recommendations for a screen protector? Jan 04 16:56:18 protectors are lame Jan 04 17:09:37 well... if this thing got scratched I think I'd die, so I'm gonna invest in a protector Jan 04 17:10:59 i dont get what people do to their phones Jan 04 17:11:03 i throw mine around Jan 04 17:11:16 i dont care what side its face ever points Jan 04 17:11:19 no protector Jan 04 17:11:27 never gets any deep scratches Jan 04 17:12:06 the small fine stuff is invertible, but only visible when screen is off Jan 04 17:12:36 glass has gotten a lot less scratchable recently Jan 04 17:12:53 summatusmentis, ya i was talking about plastic too Jan 04 17:13:02 mm Jan 04 17:13:04 glass is even better wrt scratches Jan 04 17:17:02 yea, my gorilla glass screens Jan 04 17:17:10 look better than the plasticky coverings on my friends' Jan 04 17:18:04 indeed Jan 04 17:23:29 this camera kicks ass compared to the Pre+ and that's awesome cause it's one of the biggest reasons I wanted to upgrade Jan 04 17:23:46 yes I know it's still not that great of a camera Jan 04 18:33:05 Is there any sort of patch that lets me connect to my TP via wifi and use my desktop's keyboard to type on it? I'm guessing not but I thought I'd ask anyway Jan 04 18:33:34 i've never seen such a thing Jan 04 18:34:14 Would just be nice as there was as even if I had a BT keyboard I still wouldn't want it on my desk as well as my computer's keyboard Jan 04 18:34:34 Boopop, I think if you put together a special usb adapter thing you can use a regular usb keyboard Jan 04 18:34:48 yes Jan 04 18:34:52 its called Synergy Jan 04 18:34:59 * oilsworkn has 2 bluetooth kbs on his desk at home, one for pc, one for tp Jan 04 18:35:04 Synergy Desktop Jan 04 18:35:16 and both rwhitby and cryptk have made it work. Jan 04 18:35:29 I even have a usb hub in my drawer that I'm going to fiddle with so I can do that soon Jan 04 18:36:06 ka6sox: but isn't that just controlling the xwindows card? Jan 04 18:36:26 or was synergy letting them "just type" or use it with wirc? Jan 04 18:36:29 I should look @ the video again. Jan 04 18:36:39 its been a while Jan 04 18:36:53 I'm pretty sure synergy is dependent on XServer, but I could be wrong Jan 04 18:37:04 might be then...bummers Jan 04 18:37:07 should be easy to figure out. does the synergy project hook into the linux kernel and create input events? Jan 04 18:37:43 oilsworkn, why don't u ever join your other channels when you are at work? Jan 04 18:38:03 because he is workin? Jan 04 18:38:17 but he can talk in here but not other places? Jan 04 18:38:21 more important places Jan 04 18:38:32 it's, you know, distracting Jan 04 18:38:34 lol Jan 04 18:38:39 PuffTheMagic: i can't join that channel frmo here for whatever reason Jan 04 18:38:49 hmm... work... I'm supposed to be there soon Jan 04 18:38:54 oilsworkn, registed this nick and group it to oil Jan 04 18:39:02 then identify with n ickserv Jan 04 18:39:11 ... it is Jan 04 18:39:13 and i am Jan 04 18:39:16 see me +v in here? Jan 04 18:39:29 I see an orange dot :) Jan 04 18:39:37 oilsworkn, thats not the one i was tlaking about Jan 04 18:39:47 my color is off...I see yellow Jan 04 18:39:54 im in every channel im in at home except just ONE Jan 04 18:40:06 exactly Jan 04 18:40:26 one i can't join Jan 04 18:40:31 not from lack of trying Jan 04 18:40:37 I'll have to wait till I get home to doctor to 2.2.4, but the biggest problem I have right now... what will I name my new shiny phone? *sigh* Jan 04 18:41:26 picking a hostname... the unexpectedly long step in setting up any new machine Jan 04 18:41:58 unless you have a theme. Jan 04 18:42:06 I do have a theme Jan 04 18:42:38 problem is I stick to it very rigorously and I'm kinda running low on options Jan 04 18:43:03 lets see...we have milla, fran, pris, zhora, leeloo, Alia, and a few more I'm sure I am missing. Jan 04 18:44:26 I'll give ya a hint. my domain name on the local network is hill-valley and when I had a desktop computer it was called marty :) Jan 04 18:44:40 BTTF Jan 04 18:44:48 ugh...time for work. Jan 04 18:44:54 bbl Jan 04 18:45:18 same here. *waves goodby to my new toy for a few hours* Jan 04 18:45:40 is it bad that I'm tempted to give it a hug? Jan 04 18:46:32 yes, that's bad Jan 04 19:07:05 you can always OTA it Jan 04 19:20:32 * oilsworkn ota'd on accident Jan 04 19:48:00 there is a script for pre+ 2.2.4? right? Jan 04 19:48:43 ~utsl Jan 04 19:48:44 from memory, utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). Real Men don't write documentation; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. Jan 04 19:49:11 * PatrickC just realized he didnt do a git pull... Jan 04 19:49:50 d0h Jan 04 19:50:21 and that I didnt get the newest source from github.com ... when did we switch to github? Jan 04 19:51:16 when you werent looking Jan 04 19:51:26 9 days ago Jan 04 19:52:05 how beta is the 2.2.4 script Jan 04 19:52:06 ? Jan 04 19:56:44 Is there any document about laucherpoints? I would like to create custom launcher icons Jan 04 19:59:51 does the image for the custom boot logo need to be a .tga? Jan 04 20:06:21 * PatrickC just used gimp to make a tga from the image Jan 04 20:19:06 mmmmmmm: http://ompldr.org/vYzIzNw/wterm_2012-04-01_151716.png Jan 04 20:19:34 nice indeed. Jan 04 20:19:55 nice Jan 04 20:20:10 how hard would it be to make that vkb resize for a different device> Jan 04 20:20:21 Hopefully these packages build Jan 04 20:20:23 s/>/?/ Jan 04 20:20:25 PatrickC meant: how hard would it be to make that vkb resize for a different device? Jan 04 20:23:26 PatrickC, i am not implementing a new vkb for smartphones Jan 04 20:23:35 they can deal with their shit hardware keyboards Jan 04 20:23:44 and custom keybindings Jan 04 20:23:52 lol Jan 04 20:24:16 i will make it work on phones down the road Jan 04 20:24:34 wTerm used the old sdlterminal as a base Jan 04 20:24:42 which once worked on old devices Jan 04 20:24:53 so it wont be hard to get wterm working on old devices Jan 04 20:25:03 but TP is my target device for now Jan 04 20:25:34 yeah. the tp needs a really good terminal Jan 04 20:25:44 right, because xterm is so awful Jan 04 20:25:53 xterm is nice, but u cant paste into it Jan 04 20:25:55 (clearly not perfect, but works pretty well) Jan 04 20:25:57 true Jan 04 20:26:26 and if im cloning a git repo, then i would like something i could paste into :) or even just wget a file Jan 04 20:26:52 (does anyone know if pdk apps have access to a copy/paste buffer?) Jan 04 20:27:21 I didn't know TP had git installed Jan 04 20:27:31 dtzWill: :) Jan 04 20:27:41 copying might be harder (since I'll have to inject some code, at some level, into the X copy/paste stuff), but paste I could handle with something as simple as serializing it into faked input events Jan 04 20:27:59 not pretty, but would resolve the common use-cases, like pasting from a browser or email or what-have-you Jan 04 20:28:18 paste should be easier than that Jan 04 20:28:49 summatusmentis: :). git's either in preware or optware, i agree that it's rather unlikely to be available on a stock device Jan 04 20:29:18 summatusmentis: i sideloaded it with optware Jan 04 20:29:22 or, even could get git Jan 04 20:29:29 yeah, that's fine, I just didn't know it existed Jan 04 20:29:34 PuffTheMagic: then maybe I should just revive the x11-as-an-enyo-plugin work (which worked swimmingly other than at the time rendering in a plugin was turrrrible) Jan 04 20:29:52 that "might help" Jan 04 20:30:09 time rendering? Jan 04 20:30:18 x11-as-an-enyo-plugin sounds awesome Jan 04 20:30:36 but yeah i don't think (at least when I checked previously) there was a supported way to interact with the system copy/paste stuff from PDK Jan 04 20:30:45 (which is obnoxious since it still masks those input events >:O) Jan 04 20:31:01 summatusmentis: just wondering, why? Jan 04 20:31:14 PuffTheMagic: the rendering, at the time, had many performance bugs Jan 04 20:31:17 hmmmm, i forget how I did it with Tide Jan 04 20:31:29 well, I assume that means it's easier to run x11 apps "natively" Jan 04 20:31:29 dtzWill, does X11/SDL support openGL? Jan 04 20:31:30 * PatrickC hasnt heard anything about Tide in a while Jan 04 20:31:31 that made something like a terminal unusable Jan 04 20:32:16 PuffTheMagic: i don't know what you're asking, but I'll try to answer anyway: X11 is implemented using SDL for input and GLESv2 (via SDL bindings) for blitting Jan 04 20:32:27 it does not expose a GL context to any X clients, for example Jan 04 20:33:07 that is what i was asking Jan 04 20:33:24 dtzWill, is there an advantage of GLESv2 over GLES_CM? Jan 04 20:33:39 dtzWill: I also assume that x11-as-an-enyo-plugin removes the need for a full chroot card to then launch other apps? Jan 04 20:34:42 PuffTheMagic: there certainly is, but it depends on what you're doing. for the blitting there probably isn't (not as I remember, anyway), although you can do cute things in shaders for 'free' which can be rather useful Jan 04 20:35:28 dtzWill, i ask cause wTerm uses GLES_CM, and i was curious if it was worth the effort to port to GLESv2 Jan 04 20:36:42 PuffTheMagic: it's been a while since I dived into this, but I don't believe so. The change was done because, for example, in emulators it let me render in the format that made sense to the emulator and worry about teh conversion on the gpu (since its only job is to render a frame, it's fairly free) Jan 04 20:37:01 PuffTheMagic: actually, yes. I don't remember the details, but IIRC some set of webos devices don't support GLES_CM natively Jan 04 20:37:32 dtzWill, well if you would be willing, i would appreciate your help converting wterm Jan 04 20:37:35 and just emulate the defualt GLESv1 pipeline with GLESv2 which I believe has performance implications (according to their docs, I don't know too much more about it personally) Jan 04 20:52:10 * PatrickC hopes his bootlogo works :) Jan 04 20:56:31 is there any reason that one would not be able to run the doctor via the command line? Jan 04 20:59:14 such as? Jan 04 20:59:43 https://gist.github.com/1562107 Jan 04 21:00:00 i do 'java -jar webosdoctor.jar' and it does something, but never launches the doctor Jan 04 21:00:17 Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0" java.awt.HeadlessException Jan 04 21:00:32 * PatrickC didnt notice that till now :/ Jan 04 21:00:51 ... it's right at the bottom Jan 04 21:02:57 are you... not running X11? Jan 04 21:03:14 or why can't it launch a window? Jan 04 21:04:40 i want to run it from command line to see why its failing Jan 04 21:04:57 and weird.. i had to launch it with ./webosdoctor.jar (with the doctor's name of course) Jan 04 21:05:53 o_O Jan 04 21:06:00 and now the doctor just straight up doesnt see the pre2.... Jan 04 21:06:06 that's... weird Jan 04 21:06:09 reboot everathang. Jan 04 21:06:31 the doctor got to 4% last time, then said the device disconnected Jan 04 21:06:33 well, that's obviously the only answer Jan 04 21:07:22 speaking of doctoring, I need to doctor my pre3. first, though, I need to find my pre3. Jan 04 21:07:34 there are a few reasons java tries to use the headless awt... errr, is that issue resolved? Jan 04 21:07:52 finally found it. had to reboot the phone again Jan 04 21:08:06 summatusmentis: to answer your previous question, no, X11-as-enyo-plugin simply means that you could run an X11 server inside of enyo (instead of in its own card) Jan 04 21:08:26 but it's a singular x11 server Jan 04 21:08:34 biggest benefits I know of are things like better acccess to webos goodness (like copy/paste perhaps), ability to throw up a preferences pane easily, etc Jan 04 21:08:41 instead of 1-per-card-per-app-instance? Jan 04 21:09:19 summatusmentis: oh you mean you're looking for the ability to detach your X session (in a way) from how you're viewing it? so you could have 0,1,2,... 'views' into the same x server? Jan 04 21:11:38 "looking for" is strong Jan 04 21:11:51 but if the X server were running as a plugin Jan 04 21:12:27 i think that having tabs in an xserver would be cool :) (if thats what we're talking about lol) Jan 04 21:12:30 wouldn't it mean individual apps could launch from the same x-server? Jan 04 21:12:39 similar to how OS X does it? Jan 04 21:14:26 hmm.. im trying to decide if i should put up a wiki page on how to swap the backs of 2 pre3's...? Jan 04 21:14:44 there are quite a lot of things we could do with what we have, for sure. and i'm rather interested in hearing ideas about them :) Jan 04 21:15:08 summatusmentis: you already can launch multiple apps from a single x server? it's just an x server, it can have as many clients as you wish. Jan 04 21:15:45 I thought xecutah was launching individual x servers on a per=app basis Jan 04 21:15:46 ? Jan 04 21:15:50 the biggest 'barrier' to that is that xecutah presently spawns a new server for each client you launch from it, since that was the simplest way to let people have multpile x servers Jan 04 21:15:59 right, ok Jan 04 21:16:36 but a single x server would also allow copy/paste between x windows, right? Jan 04 21:16:53 as it would maintain it's own buffer? Jan 04 21:18:19 yep yep Jan 04 21:19:04 it's hard to strike a line between building a complete experience for the user and giving them the tools and getting out of their way :) Jan 04 21:20:12 really what I want is an x-server fully integrated with webOS, which would allow x11 apps to be "first class citizens" in webOS Jan 04 21:20:49 summatusmentis: yes, that would be wonderful. I've thought a small amount about that--it'd use the rootless X stuff (as I *think* mac does? or maybe that's all xquartz...) Jan 04 21:20:50 and then while you're at it, port the dalvik jvm and integrate that too Jan 04 21:21:03 but there are a lot of exciting things you could do like tie libnotify up to the webos notifications, etc Jan 04 21:21:05 pretty sure mac is all xquarts now Jan 04 21:21:12 yeah, exactly Jan 04 21:23:10 crap.. read only filesystem again.. :/ Jan 04 21:25:50 too bad its just 1 command to fix that Jan 04 21:28:55 * PatrickC always forgets the command lol Jan 04 21:29:05 hmm... can i change my boot logo without having to re-doctor? Jan 04 21:30:27 depends on which logo? Jan 04 21:31:08 the main Jan 04 21:31:10 PatrickC, there's info in the bootie page of the wiki that might help :-P Jan 04 21:31:14 the non-flashing one Jan 04 21:31:48 PatrickC, see... for me "the main" would have meant the flashing one :P Jan 04 21:31:59 lol Jan 04 21:32:20 wait, no... wrong wiki page Jan 04 21:32:35 I know I've seen manual instructions for changing the image in the wiki somewhere Jan 04 21:33:30 i though i had too Jan 04 21:36:17 argh.. i hate it when i go to memboot and get the 2 ] in the novaterm command :/ Jan 04 21:40:33 and using the find command BootLogo.tga doesnt exist... Jan 04 21:42:20 * oilsworkn suggests metadoc Jan 04 21:42:32 hmm http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/278973-remove-penguin-boot-logo.html#post2918952 Jan 04 21:42:37 so it is possible... :) Jan 04 21:42:52 oilsworkn: i just meta-doctored lol.. used a logo that was waaayyy to big Jan 04 22:12:25 if there is a .tga file on the device, i cant find it Jan 04 22:17:09 i wonder what would happen if i replaced the BootLogo.tga in boot-images.tar.gz ? Jan 04 22:17:21 but the weird thing is that isnt my current boot logo.... Jan 04 22:17:31 nothing is my guess Jan 04 22:18:47 meta-doctor ftw Jan 04 22:19:43 * rwhitby agrees with jcsullins, but is not biased in any way ... Jan 04 22:20:01 * ka6sox is certain he has NO opinion (he is Married) Jan 04 22:20:13 heh Jan 04 22:20:15 lol Jan 04 22:21:05 i mean, im no linux expert, but isn't the boot image in one of the img files in /boot? Jan 04 22:21:17 oilsworkn: not that i can find Jan 04 22:21:29 uh.... Jan 04 22:22:14 * halfhalo breaks out the popcorn cart Jan 04 22:22:21 hmm... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie_Themes Jan 04 22:32:24 * jcsullins thinks it'd be nice if meta-doc updated the boot-images.tar.gz file ... Jan 04 22:33:16 wTerm v0.2.1 pushed to autobuilder Jan 04 22:35:41 ok.. that page almost works (i think) Jan 04 22:35:49 but thats for castle... not roadrunner :/ Jan 04 22:37:06 why does free shipping from china have to take 2134234 years, I need my instant gratification =( Jan 04 22:37:47 Brybry: what did u order? Jan 04 22:38:07 a mail order bride Jan 04 22:38:18 lol Jan 04 22:38:19 gratification indeed Jan 04 22:39:12 microusb<->female A otg usb cable Jan 04 22:40:49 hmm... Jan 04 22:41:04 * PatrickC wonders why my ext3fs is so big and /dev/store/media is so small... Jan 04 22:41:35 i dont remember doing that lol Jan 04 22:41:47 Brybry, i just got 2 usb cables from china Jan 04 22:41:54 that i won on ebay Jan 04 22:41:59 free shipping Jan 04 22:42:06 i paid less then 30 cents for each Jan 04 22:42:10 how is THAT possible Jan 04 22:42:18 I got my y-cable from NJ Jan 04 22:42:22 when mailing a letter in the US costs more than that Jan 04 22:42:31 but, yeah, I paid like $2-3 for each cable with free shipping Jan 04 22:42:40 but how can something ship from china for less then US postage? Jan 04 22:43:01 no idea Jan 04 22:43:22 Brybry, latest wterm is bad ass Jan 04 22:43:29 with custom colors Jan 04 22:44:06 * PatrickC now needs to find the commands to resize his partitions :/ Jan 04 22:44:38 Brybry, i see u still havent forked though :/ Jan 04 22:44:42 I should use this opportunity to learn how to merge stuff from a fork Jan 04 22:44:43 I did! Jan 04 22:44:45 this morning Jan 04 22:44:51 I just haven't actually pushed anything yet Jan 04 22:44:59 not according to github Jan 04 22:45:15 well, github is lying to you Jan 04 22:45:26 https://github.com/Brybry/repositories Jan 04 22:45:28 push your shit to your repo first Jan 04 22:45:53 oh NOW it refreshes Jan 04 22:45:54 lol Jan 04 22:46:47 I don't get why your network graph doesn't show it Jan 04 22:47:02 prob wont till i merge something Jan 04 22:47:03 ohhh Jan 04 22:47:04 because Jan 04 22:47:06 I have to make changes~ Jan 04 22:47:33 argh... https://gist.github.com/1562634 Jan 04 22:47:35 do you have my repo setup as a remote? Jan 04 22:47:47 nope, I have my own Jan 04 22:47:58 PatrickC, why are u abusing gist like that Jan 04 22:48:07 i like it more then pastebin lol Jan 04 22:48:08 well, I have a read-only somewhere with yours set as remote Jan 04 22:48:14 Brybry, u will have to add mine then too Jan 04 22:48:17 so u can pull from it Jan 04 22:48:19 i can easily go back and find my pasts :) Jan 04 22:48:44 I see Jan 04 22:48:48 that makes much more sense Jan 04 22:49:01 http://pastebin.com/GMJV7mtp there :) Jan 04 22:49:30 going from cvs->svn->git is a totally different way of thinking Jan 04 22:49:32 Brybry, u wanna do something like: git remote add wterm git://github.com/PuffTheMagic/wTerm.git Jan 04 22:49:41 then u can do things like Jan 04 22:49:44 git fetch wterm Jan 04 22:49:46 git merge wterm Jan 04 22:49:59 actually Jan 04 22:50:03 git fetch wterm/master Jan 04 22:50:04 i think Jan 04 22:50:06 err Jan 04 22:50:07 puff is gonna have to teach me that one too Jan 04 22:50:13 this whole multiple repo thing Jan 04 22:50:15 git merge wterm/master Jan 04 22:50:24 I know pull and push Jan 04 22:50:28 the docs out there are pretty good Jan 04 22:50:50 yea, but I'm slow. Jan 04 22:51:01 well ask if u need help Jan 04 22:51:02 I still use rcs occasionally with my svning Jan 04 22:51:41 I did, you didn't know how to rewrite the remotes without doing a new clone Jan 04 22:52:02 i dont remember being asked that Jan 04 22:53:17 oh, maybe it was oil Jan 04 22:53:21 ok, so how do you do that Jan 04 22:53:34 I've got a clone from git.w-i.o and need to -> github Jan 04 22:53:41 edit .git/config Jan 04 22:53:59 just the url part? Jan 04 22:54:03 ya Jan 04 22:55:32 ok that worked Jan 04 22:55:45 * PatrickC wishes it were easier to resize partitions.. Jan 04 22:57:17 hmmm, some differences in the .git/ stuff... I'll just hope those are ok Jan 04 22:58:17 * jcsullins hears Tailor works pretty well for resizing partitions Jan 04 22:59:22 PuffTheMagic: ok, now how about the way you guys did the wirc enyo thing Jan 04 22:59:27 tailor isnt working for me jcsullins Jan 04 22:59:40 how do I change my two separate git clones (one of which has local modifications) Jan 04 22:59:50 into your new one with the separate branches Jan 04 22:59:51 "Service Error (userId): Not permitted to send to org.webosinternals.tailor.node Jan 04 23:00:11 " Jan 04 23:00:37 PatrickC: ahh, that's odd Jan 04 23:00:43 yeah.... :/ Jan 04 23:04:33 dwc-, in the mojo repo folder do this Jan 04 23:05:04 git remote add temp Jan 04 23:05:07 git fetch temp Jan 04 23:05:28 git checkout -b enyo temp/master Jan 04 23:05:33 git push origin enyo Jan 04 23:06:00 i think that will do that trick Jan 04 23:06:15 PatrickC: this might help some: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot#Alternative_Step_1:_Re-partitioning_by_hand Jan 04 23:09:04 alright, I'll give that a shot Jan 04 23:09:20 I need to get back to figuring out what's wrong with my mojo plugin :/ Jan 04 23:09:32 dunno why yours never crashes like mine Jan 04 23:10:20 i never use mojo Jan 04 23:10:33 so crashing would be impossible Jan 04 23:10:35 jcsullins: woop woop! Jan 04 23:10:38 thanks! Jan 04 23:10:39 yea, well, I use it on my phone... Jan 04 23:11:09 dwc-, i got a wopping 87 cent donation for wterm yesterday Jan 04 23:11:19 wasn't me Jan 04 23:11:22 I wouldn't pay for that shit Jan 04 23:11:24 j/k Jan 04 23:11:38 i know, u woudl send a payment request Jan 04 23:11:41 was that before or after paypal taxes? Jan 04 23:11:46 after Jan 04 23:12:18 ill send you a penny Jan 04 23:13:13 paypal's gonna eat the penny Jan 04 23:16:56 hmm... http://pastebin.com/F7CEsejH Jan 04 23:19:34 you broke it! Jan 04 23:19:45 he cant not break it Jan 04 23:21:01 its my job to break things Jan 04 23:22:16 PuffTheMagic: should the last one be git push master enyo? Jan 04 23:22:26 my origin is the git.webos-i Jan 04 23:24:28 hmm, seems I fuxed it up somewhere, oh well, that's why I made a backup of the clone Jan 04 23:24:44 maybe I'll just make a patchset and re-commit Jan 04 23:25:14 ummm Jan 04 23:25:56 or... how did you guys build the one with the branch? can I just switch the remote url and pull? Jan 04 23:25:58 * PatrickC guesses he'll just make a new meta-doctor :/ Jan 04 23:26:07 I have nothing in the local enyo I care about Jan 04 23:26:23 if u dont care about enyo Jan 04 23:26:43 then delete it Jan 04 23:27:27 and then in the mojo repo do Jan 04 23:27:29 git fetch Jan 04 23:27:37 and u should have the enyo branch there Jan 04 23:27:41 k Jan 04 23:32:31 Brybry, just figured out how to get the fontsize and colors to change with out having to press a button Jan 04 23:33:19 I'm trying to figure out what resetTerminal() does that makes everything behave nicely on resize without actually clearing it Jan 04 23:33:33 I suspect it's setMargin Jan 04 23:34:18 what do u mean behave nicely? Jan 04 23:34:41 well Jan 04 23:35:28 I haven't check the latest version but like, if you run top, then minimize the keyboard (and it resizes), top output is still cut off Jan 04 23:35:57 ya Jan 04 23:35:59 that wont resize Jan 04 23:36:01 and I don't think setWindowSize() on extTerminal by itself fixed that for me Jan 04 23:36:02 ever Jan 04 23:36:08 well Jan 04 23:36:10 I had to do a reset too Jan 04 23:36:13 so top would work right then Jan 04 23:36:15 but then it clears the buffer Jan 04 23:36:36 ya setWindowSize i think need to happen on resize Jan 04 23:36:39 but when i do that it breaks Jan 04 23:36:42 oh Jan 04 23:36:44 it's cause you have to cast it Jan 04 23:36:51 and include "terminal.hpp" or whatever Jan 04 23:37:00 i dont mean it doesnt compile Jan 04 23:37:32 Brybry, look at updateDisplaySize() Jan 04 23:37:37 in sdlterminal.cpp Jan 04 23:37:38 that's what I'm modifying right now Jan 04 23:37:52 well the commented out stuff compiled fine for me Jan 04 23:38:01 it shouldn't have =x Jan 04 23:38:05 hmm Jan 04 23:38:07 I don't think Jan 04 23:39:21 #include "terminal/terminal.hpp" and then something like Terminal *extTerminal = (Terminal *)getExtTerminal(); extTerminal->setWindowSize(getMaximumColumnsOfText(), getMaximumLinesOfText()); Jan 04 23:39:40 id ont get why the cast is needed there Jan 04 23:39:43 I forget why I couldn't just do (Terminal *)getExterminal()->blahblah Jan 04 23:40:09 because it's of type ExtTerminal? Jan 04 23:40:21 that's like the interface Jan 04 23:40:27 though I suppose one could just add the functino to the interface Jan 04 23:40:33 oh hmm Jan 04 23:40:43 that's probably the cleaner way to do it Jan 04 23:41:35 ok so that does make ti compile Jan 04 23:41:39 https://gist.github.com/db7c55321bc176c00f1e appears to work Jan 04 23:42:03 and doesn't clear buffer Jan 04 23:42:04 :D Jan 04 23:42:20 so it sounds like a pull request time ;) Jan 04 23:43:19 I'm not really sure the null checking is needed Jan 04 23:43:33 I'm just used to defensive coding =x Jan 04 23:44:34 well i just did a reset --hard so i can merge your merge request Jan 04 23:44:47 ^^ sounds like a xzibit meme Jan 04 23:44:59 not really Jan 04 23:46:01 but u prob need to figure out how to merge all my shit in first Jan 04 23:46:52 null checks are good Jan 04 23:47:55 but if there's no error logged, you might not know your null check was triggered Jan 04 23:48:53 otherwise null ptr dereference might actually be more useful Jan 04 23:49:46 yeah Jan 04 23:49:49 that's what I'm trying to think Jan 04 23:56:03 so I commited my change, then added wterm as a remote (as PTM), then did a git fetch PTM, git merge PTM/master, now I assume I just push it? Jan 04 23:56:16 * Brybry shrugs Jan 04 23:56:17 wrea, Thank you -> Total amount: $0.01 USD Jan 04 23:56:26 rofl Jan 04 23:56:33 :D Jan 04 23:56:34 At least you got the full amount Jan 04 23:56:37 Brybry, ya Jan 04 23:56:51 wrea, so thats a way to scam paypal Jan 04 23:56:56 10000 .01 donations Jan 04 23:57:18 Brybry, if there were no conflicts u can just push Jan 04 23:57:28 then your repo should be 1 commit ahead of mine Jan 04 23:57:34 then u can do a merge request Jan 04 23:57:48 1 or more commits a head of mine Jan 04 23:57:51 just looking to see that it actually kept the change Jan 04 23:58:12 PuffTheMagic: more like the paypal scan is the conversion fees Jan 04 23:58:13 nah, I haven't copied over code yet Jan 04 23:58:21 besides that one small commit Jan 04 23:58:46 Brybry, well https://github.com/Brybry/wTerm/network looks correct Jan 04 23:59:06 well, it didn't merge it exactly as I would have liked Jan 04 23:59:07 but that's ok Jan 04 23:59:18 what were you expecting? Jan 04 23:59:19 it added a comment I didn't want =( Jan 04 23:59:23 or kept a comment I didn't want Jan 04 23:59:24 or something Jan 04 23:59:25 * Brybry shrugs Jan 04 23:59:53 maybe I commited before saving locally or something Jan 05 00:00:05 so many layers Jan 05 00:00:13 * This should probably get called here too. ~PTM */ Jan 05 00:00:14 that ? Jan 05 00:00:22 and the //m_terminalState->resetTerminal(); Jan 05 00:00:29 well uc an always fix it Jan 05 00:01:27 yay Jan 05 00:01:39 well, I know how to do that now Jan 05 00:06:24 LOL Jan 05 00:06:28 i didnt mean to commit this Jan 05 00:06:28 this.error("SET COLORS BITCH!", i, colors[i][0], colors[i][1], colors[i][2]) Jan 05 00:07:05 :D Jan 05 00:07:14 you sure? Jan 05 00:22:34 hmm, what did I just break Jan 05 00:23:56 definitely just had wterm core dump on me =( Jan 05 00:27:15 wterm now has predefined as well as custom color schemes Jan 05 00:27:25 something with my hitting ls | hmm Jan 05 00:27:25 and u can base a custom scheme off any predefined one Jan 05 00:28:14 ya its shift \ thats doing that for some reason Jan 05 00:28:30 I think it might just be shift Jan 05 00:28:45 shift three times! Jan 05 00:29:00 shift and any key rally Jan 05 00:29:01 really Jan 05 00:29:01 gdb here we come Jan 05 00:29:07 wtf did I do Jan 05 00:29:40 probably that icon drawing on the screen or something Jan 05 00:35:21 i didnt change anything about that Jan 05 00:39:13 I think I'll have to compile with debugging symbols and such Jan 05 00:39:23 so I can set breakpoints Jan 05 00:39:51 gdb without symbols points to handleKeyboardEvent and getKeyBinding (but getKeyBinding wasn't changed) Jan 05 00:39:53 i meant to add -g Jan 05 00:44:58 locator = map->find(nInput); in getKeyBinding Jan 05 00:44:59 now to figure out why Jan 05 00:47:36 * Brybry shakes fist at Jan 05 00:47:45 I suppose I should have taken out -O2 Jan 05 00:54:04 wTerm now has most Konsole color schemes Jan 05 00:57:27 * dwc- only uses white on black and green on black Jan 05 00:58:02 well wterm has those Jan 05 00:58:09 * PuffTheMagic is implementing random light background :D Jan 05 00:59:01 yep Jan 05 01:05:28 Hi all! Jan 05 01:05:55 yay! so my pre3 is all set up for wifi usage Jan 05 01:06:18 can't use it as a phone till april. *curses verizon for the contract I signed* Jan 05 01:06:35 Why does sshd run as "sshd -o PasswordLogin no -o PermitRootLogin without-password".? Jan 05 01:06:58 This is from the optware openssh package. Jan 05 01:07:14 Running on the Pixi with WebOS 1.4.5. Jan 05 01:08:10 RagingMind: Is Verizon selling Pre 3's? Jan 05 01:08:42 no they are not. but ebay is. or was. dunno how many are left floating around Jan 05 01:09:28 is there a way to do OTA on an unlocked pre 2 that was activated using impostah? Jan 05 01:10:01 ormris: why not? Jan 05 01:10:22 if people have set up users, they are welcome to change that Jan 05 01:10:50 dwc-: I need to use SSH to transfer the keys for passwordless login. Jan 05 01:11:06 Is there any way to allow for password login? Jan 05 01:11:10 do you have a root password? Jan 05 01:11:17 dwc-: Yes. Jan 05 01:11:20 how did you set it? Jan 05 01:11:25 passwd Jan 05 01:11:27 or edit the init script Jan 05 01:11:42 or install openssh instead of dropbear Jan 05 01:11:44 then you can add your ssh key from your shell then that way too Jan 05 01:12:21 ur transfer the key via USB disk mode Jan 05 01:12:32 I just copy/paste it into cat > Jan 05 01:12:35 or wget Jan 05 01:12:39 hewball: I like that idea. Jan 05 01:12:50 you have tons of options Jan 05 01:14:35 so no one know if I am able to do OTA on a pre 2 activated using impostah? Jan 05 01:15:08 PuffTheMagic: Is the command aliased? Jan 05 01:15:19 sshd no Jan 05 01:15:40 How is the command changed? Jan 05 01:16:42 u dont change the command Jan 05 01:16:50 u stop dropbear from starting Jan 05 01:16:54 and make openssh start Jan 05 01:16:58 event.d files Jan 05 01:17:16 PuffTheMagic: Ahhh... I've been looking for the init scripts. Jan 05 01:23:44 hey, new to this. Looking for help with Patch update fail, is this the right place? Jan 05 01:25:08 it was the "muffle system logging", also failed to uninstall Jan 05 01:26:23 did you just OTA? Jan 05 01:26:46 EPR Jan 05 01:26:49 I'll channel rod a bit here, and suggest http://bit.ly/phd-ac Jan 05 01:27:20 lol Jan 05 01:27:31 infobot: epr? Jan 05 01:27:31 no, but just tried to update the patch. Hadn't notice it available Jan 05 01:27:32 epr is probably Emergency Patch Recovery, which will remove installed patches. Jan 05 01:27:48 ^ see preware Jan 05 01:28:40 so no one knows if it is possible to do an OTA on a pre 2 that was activated using impostah? Jan 05 01:30:38 it is possible Jan 05 01:31:39 ok has anyone ran into an unable to connect try again later error while trying to do an OTA on a pre 2 activated with impostah? Jan 05 01:32:43 yep, happens now and again Jan 05 01:32:58 check /var/log/update*.log to see what the real problem is Jan 05 01:33:31 alright I thought it might be a limitation with impostah or the activation process. will check now Jan 05 01:34:31 also does the standard app catalog work? or do I have to go through impostah app catalog section? Jan 05 01:35:24 standard app catalog work for what? the OTA? Jan 05 01:36:36 not for the OTA, to download apps on a pre 2 activated with impostah Jan 05 01:37:03 two seperate issues Jan 05 01:37:10 if you activate sucessfully via impostah, it's no different from a normal activation Jan 05 01:37:39 hmm that is failing as well, maybe I didnt activate it correctly Jan 05 01:37:49 is your clock set correctly? Jan 05 01:38:14 nope Jan 05 01:39:04 seems like it cant connect to that either Jan 05 01:39:17 and yes it is connected to wifi Jan 05 01:39:29 set your clock Jan 05 01:39:54 dwc you are magical Jan 05 01:40:29 also thanks rwhitby for answering my questions Jan 05 01:40:54 I don't know whether the OTA requires a correct clock, but the app catalog definitely needs something relatively close Jan 05 01:41:03 yeah, incorrect clock stops https working Jan 05 01:41:14 anything to do with profiles or app catalog requires a good clock Jan 05 01:41:30 I would have never guessed that Jan 05 01:41:47 note that /var/log/messages makes it fairly clear if you were watching that Jan 05 01:41:52 https ssl failure Jan 05 01:42:16 for some reason I cant connect ot any of my devices right now Jan 05 01:42:28 that is why I could check those out Jan 05 01:43:24 couldnt* Jan 05 01:43:32 * rwhitby would never attempt an OTA without being able to connect to the device Jan 05 01:46:14 just couldnt connect to it from my one VM Jan 05 01:48:12 thanks for the info though Jan 05 01:51:47 * DougReeder waves hello Jan 05 02:09:24 folks Jan 05 02:11:05 hey Jan 05 02:11:58 how's it going ? Jan 05 02:12:08 good, work on wTerm Jan 05 02:43:47 I am so very confused right now Jan 05 02:49:46 Brybry, join the club **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 05 02:59:57 2012