**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 08 02:59:57 2012
Jan 08 03:04:23 <elfcat4> I am on an israeli mobile network
Jan 08 03:11:18 <morphink> Good afternoon all, is anyone active?
Jan 08 03:12:13 <morphink> I'm drowning in the lack of enyo documentation and was hoping someone out there could help point me in the right direction
Jan 08 03:12:52 <morphink> anyone?
Jan 08 03:13:11 <wrea> developer.palm.com
Jan 08 03:13:15 <crimsonredmk> give it 12 more seconds then ragequit
Jan 08 03:13:18 <crimsonredmk> haha
Jan 08 03:13:41 <morphink> lol, just didn't know if the channel had activity
Jan 08 03:13:51 <morphink> thanks for at least proving activity
Jan 08 03:14:05 <morphink> developer.palm.com - is killing me with the lack of specifics
Jan 08 03:14:52 <morphink> google has yet to offer much assistance either
Jan 08 03:15:14 <morphink> does this channel have enyo developers?
Jan 08 03:16:22 <morphink> i'm just trying to get started on the right path.  I'm trying to figure out if i should be intermingling mojo and enyo documentation somehow (i actually doubt that's the case)
Jan 08 03:17:13 <morphink> developer.palm.com has been great for getting my app populated with buttons and other gui elements.  But when it comes to actually making my app functional...i'm getting nowhere
Jan 08 03:25:18 <invalidopcode> morphink: developer.palm.com has alot of info you just have to dig a little bit for it
Jan 08 03:25:30 <invalidopcode> like https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference.html has a reference for everything
Jan 08 03:27:33 <morphink> I'll do some more digging...i haven't given up completely
Jan 08 03:28:35 <morphink> my major issue is that, while yes they do document things such as their api's.  I'm grasping at straws for examples.  (probably because not many developers are out there)
Jan 08 03:28:58 <invalidopcode> webos101.com has some nice snippets of code too
Jan 08 03:29:34 <morphink> my current situation is pretty basic, I've got an add button, I've got a list...when the user clicks the add button I want to add an item to this list.  Easy?  Except that my List is actually a database
Jan 08 03:30:03 <morphink> I'm no stranger to databases and adding records to them.  My issue is finding a usable example where this is done
Jan 08 03:30:27 <invalidopcode> did you try looking through the examples in the PalmSDK directory?
Jan 08 03:30:32 <morphink> yup
Jan 08 03:30:49 <morphink> there are database examples, sure - and i've actually used them to get me as far as I am today
Jan 08 03:31:02 <morphink> the issue is, now I'm running the app with the MOCK data that the examples use
Jan 08 03:31:09 <invalidopcode> ah
Jan 08 03:31:13 <morphink> I need to build my database object on the fly
Jan 08 03:31:15 <morphink> built the table
Jan 08 03:31:16 <morphink> etc
Jan 08 03:31:21 <morphink> so that i can work with it
Jan 08 03:31:28 <morphink> I've looked up how JSON works
Jan 08 03:31:51 <morphink> but how JSON and webos work (like how do i build the indexes???) not much documentation (that i've found)
Jan 08 03:32:39 <invalidopcode> ah, sorry, i can't help much. i haven't done much with databases in webos (plus my touchpad is out of commission right now)
Jan 08 03:33:22 <morphink> my project is pretty basic really...and honestly i can figure this stuff out...i just need to get started...need to know the rules...need to see some sort of example...some one that's build a database and allows the user to tadd to it
Jan 08 03:33:49 <morphink> i've seen with the FeedReader where data is gleened from an RSS and put into a list (which is cool) but that's not what i'm going for
Jan 08 03:39:02 <morphink> well, thanks anyway for taking a moment to answer.
Jan 08 03:39:27 <morphink> I knew when i started this project that it was going to be rough finding data (just didn't think it'd be this hard)
Jan 08 03:39:42 <morphink> with webOS being HTML based i though (nah this'll be alright)
Jan 08 03:39:51 <morphink> so far - that's not the case
Jan 08 03:39:59 <morphink> unless - like i said - i'm missing something
Jan 08 03:40:03 <morphink> some universal truth
Jan 08 03:40:14 <morphink> that if it's written somewhere else then it'll work in webOS
Jan 08 03:40:38 <morphink> but when working with enyo it really does look like i have to abide by the enyo rules of the road
Jan 08 03:41:49 <morphink> it's killing me that I can't get this thing done too - it's an FTP app so that i can xfer movies from my NAS over to my TP and back again without using XTerm
Jan 08 03:41:53 <invalidopcode> yeah, no problem. people around here have given me lots of help, so i try to return the favor once in a while
Jan 08 03:42:34 <morphink> Aight well i'll go drop a note on the developer.palm.com forum and see if I can get a bite from them...thanks again!
Jan 08 03:42:53 <invalidopcode> you might want to try on #webos
Jan 08 04:26:11 <dtzWill> PuffTheM`: https://github.com/PuffTheMagic/wTerm/pull/17
Jan 08 04:26:19 <dtzWill> PuffTheM`: very very much faster :D
Jan 08 04:27:02 <dtzWill> also, culmination of lots of sweet and blood across the past 2 days or so xD
Jan 08 04:27:14 <dtzWill> had a hard time letting it go :(
Jan 08 04:27:26 <dtzWill> (and good thing i finished it, gf was about ready to murder me)
Jan 08 04:27:41 <dtzWill> but anyway take a look and lmk if you have any questions
Jan 08 04:27:58 <dtzWill> (especially if you find any bugs/regressions, it seems to work great for me, but still)
Jan 08 04:28:07 <dtzWill> errr belated merry christmas, or something.
Jan 08 05:57:44 <mOo> is everything install with catalog/preware goes into /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/ instead of /usr/palm/ ? (except those copy files using postinst)
Jan 08 05:58:49 <mOo> how do i make a framework package that install framework files into /usr/palm/frameworks/
Jan 08 06:08:08 <Baugh> when getting preware I lai
Jan 08 06:08:23 <Baugh> launch the app and it won't load
Jan 08 06:15:25 <rwhitby> mOo: /usr/palm is for rootfs pacakges that come as part of a webOS Doctor. it is not for installable packages
Jan 08 06:16:51 <mOo> what should i do then. make a symlink in postinst script?
Jan 08 06:19:09 <rwhitby> without knowing what your end goal is, I cannot advise.
Jan 08 06:20:18 <mOo> hrm.. i want to add framework scripts so any other app can use it as an lib, without bundling the lib in app
Jan 08 06:20:48 <mOo> current the only 2 ways i can think of is. a. symlink, b. use AUPT patch to make new files in /usr/palm/frameworks/xxx/...
Jan 08 10:23:59 <LunohoD> It seems that my TP doesn't turn off after the timeout when my PDK app is running. Is there a workaround or something?
Jan 08 17:14:03 <Aaron___> I have a question about the Application exploration feature of Impostah on a Touchpad.
Jan 08 17:14:19 <Aaron___> Anyyone know more than me?  (me = knows nothing)
Jan 08 17:14:58 <Aaron___> How long should it take to load either the system installed or the user installed list?
Jan 08 17:15:26 <Aaron___> Because . . It seems to take so long as to not be working at all.
Jan 08 17:29:36 <Aaron___> Guess not.  Will try again on a weekday.
Jan 08 18:25:25 <PuffTheMagic> wrea, if all my work on wterm prior to a few days ago was worth 1cent, dtzWill as added another 1cent worth of work ;)
Jan 08 18:33:51 <wrea> PuffTheMagic, lol
Jan 08 18:42:29 <dwc-> but that would give him his 2 cents
Jan 08 19:03:22 <snares> Got App Tuckerbox but it says Location Host Not Found anyone no what the issue is
Jan 08 20:21:32 <panel> hello guys
Jan 08 23:06:20 <PatrickC> wow.. i keep timing out when downloading the doctors
Jan 08 23:06:25 <PatrickC> for doing a meta-doctor
Jan 08 23:29:01 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC_Away, ya i have to use wget with 10000 retries sometimes to get a doctor
Jan 08 23:36:37 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic, well, im having some wifi issues too
Jan 08 23:36:43 <PatrickC> my router is kinda old haha
Jan 08 23:37:18 <PatrickC> hmm.. why is webOS QI telling me "Unable to connect to WebOS-Internals' servers. Cannot download AUPT scripts for the patch." when trying to install a patch i made?
Jan 08 23:38:47 <PatrickC> the weird thing is, my laptop is on the Internet (as thats how im on IRC right now)
Jan 08 23:41:23 <RagingMind> so... with X installed on my touchpad what window managers would people suggest for use on a touchscreen?
Jan 08 23:44:42 <PatrickC> i use lxde
Jan 08 23:44:57 <PatrickC> wait, "X"? like, Ubuntu Chroot, right?
Jan 08 23:44:58 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 08 23:47:19 <RagingMind> no chroot, just X
Jan 08 23:53:11 <PatrickC> i didnt know u could have a wm without a distro installed
Jan 09 00:02:30 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Away, it's just a program like anything else, all you need is the binary and supporting libs
Jan 09 01:02:11 <elboss> hello can any one help me
Jan 09 01:06:18 <RagingMind> no one will be able to answer that question until you give us an idea of what help you need ;)
Jan 09 01:20:40 <eduprey> for those that are running ATT pre3's on other networks, is Check SIM - SOS only normal with the devmode activation skip but with a valid 3rd party SIM installed?
Jan 09 01:47:01 <ka6sox> eduprey, nope
Jan 09 01:47:06 <ka6sox> not "normal"
Jan 09 02:25:19 <eduprey> ka6sox: using a straighttalk SIM and my pre3 doesn't seem to recognize a SIM is inserted :(
Jan 09 02:26:20 <ka6sox> eduprey, I only remember that t-mobile ones have been tested.
Jan 09 02:26:47 <eduprey> straighttalk uses ATT's network and pre2's have been tested on straighttalk earlier this year.. hmmm
Jan 09 02:31:20 <ka6sox> anything on pre3's on the wiki?
Jan 09 02:31:29 <ka6sox> or on webOSNation?
Jan 09 02:37:04 <eduprey> ka6sox: ugh, it's the SIM.  the phone I got from straight talk came with a TF64SIMC4 which is a locked SIM  (guess they have more than just locked phones these days)
Jan 09 02:37:30 <ka6sox> bleh
Jan 09 02:37:31 <ka6sox> okay
Jan 09 02:38:48 <eduprey> heh, worse, it looks like it may even be tmobile rather than ATT.  lame
Jan 09 02:39:06 <eduprey> I assume even if it worked, 3g would not work on TMO on this device
Jan 09 02:43:57 <eduprey> solution seems to be to get a Nokia E71 from them, will try exchanging it
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