**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 09 02:59:57 2012
Jan 09 03:57:32 <eduprey> k, returned the phone I got from walmart and ordered an E71 refurb for $50 from their web site
Jan 09 03:58:12 <eduprey> we'll see how well it works but people use this one for SIM's to put in iPhone so it should be fine
Jan 09 04:56:11 <krushia> !yes
Jan 09 04:56:22 <krushia> ...
Jan 09 04:56:37 <krushia> oops sorry
Jan 09 08:44:03 <cerjam> question: is there a non-plus pre for at&t.
Jan 09 08:47:18 <cerjam> cmon anyone? =(
Jan 09 08:50:14 <cerjam> alright im going to come after you guys with meat cleavers
Jan 09 08:50:17 <cerjam> if someone dont help me.
Jan 09 08:54:45 <h4rv> good morning, i've got a question ... "lvm" tells me, medias size would be 17,63gb, but i'm able to access just 5,4gb in usb mode ...
Jan 09 09:30:44 <jcsullins> h4rv: where did u get the 17,63gb number from lvm - what command exactly?
Jan 09 09:31:04 <h4rv> lvm -> lvs
Jan 09 09:31:19 <h4rv> jcsullins: lvs
Jan 09 09:31:29 <jcsullins> u have the line that includes the meda volume ...
Jan 09 09:32:08 <jcsullins> media*
Jan 09 09:32:57 <h4rv> "media     store -wimao  17.63G"?
Jan 09 09:33:40 <jcsullins> what about "df -h /media/internal"
Jan 09 09:39:03 <h4rv> /dev/mapper/store-media 5.0G      3.1G      1.9G  62% /media/internal
Jan 09 09:40:20 <jcsullins> when did you notice this change? or has it always been like this?
Jan 09 09:41:47 <h4rv> i should told you earlyer, but i noticed after installing archlinux aur. but i've deleted it and run "lvresize -L +90000M store/media" (bit.ly/yKKcV1)
Jan 09 09:42:43 <jcsullins> ok. need to also resize the filesystem on the volume ... first, run "pkill -SIGUSR1 cryptofs"
Jan 09 09:43:00 <jcsullins> then "umount /media/internal"
Jan 09 09:43:53 <jcsullins> then "dosfsck -a /dev/store/media"
Jan 09 09:44:59 <jcsullins> then tell me if last command gave errors ...
Jan 09 09:45:08 <jcsullins> (or any of them)
Jan 09 09:47:12 <h4rv> ok, give me a moment ...
Jan 09 09:51:41 <jcsullins> back in min ..
Jan 09 09:52:22 <h4rv> umount: can't umount /media/internal: Invalid argument
Jan 09 09:52:31 <h4rv> thats the only error
Jan 09 09:53:57 <jcsullins> ok, so the dosfsck ran without error?
Jan 09 09:54:22 <h4rv> yes, but the size is still 5.4gb
Jan 09 09:54:47 <jcsullins> umm ... how do u know that?
Jan 09 09:56:24 <jcsullins> h4rv: how do you kow the size is still 5.4gb?
Jan 09 09:58:15 <jcsullins> s/kow/know/
Jan 09 09:58:15 <infobot> jcsullins meant: h4rv: how do you know the size is still 5.4gb?
Jan 09 09:58:24 <h4rv> sorry; mount the touchpad, the partition size is 5,4gb
Jan 09 09:58:39 <jcsullins> why did you do that?
Jan 09 09:58:55 <jcsullins> I said run those commands and then tell me if they gave errors ...
Jan 09 09:58:58 <h4rv> mounted the touchpad? to copy files on it or what du you mean?
Jan 09 09:59:11 <h4rv> i'd run them, withour errors ...
Jan 09 09:59:19 <h4rv> *without
Jan 09 09:59:43 <jcsullins> ok, sorry, I should have said "don't do anything but what I tell you until we are done"
Jan 09 09:59:55 <h4rv> ok sorry ...
Jan 09 10:00:11 <jcsullins> is it mounted via USB now?
Jan 09 10:00:21 <h4rv> it was
Jan 09 10:00:44 <jcsullins> run "pkill -SIGUSR1 cryptofs"
Jan 09 10:00:58 <h4rv> ok
Jan 09 10:01:06 <jcsullins> then "umount /media/internal"
Jan 09 10:01:10 <h4rv> sure
Jan 09 10:01:20 <jcsullins> no error this time?
Jan 09 10:01:24 <h4rv> no
Jan 09 10:01:26 <jcsullins> ok
Jan 09 10:01:34 <jcsullins> then "dosfsck -a /dev/store/media"
Jan 09 10:01:47 <h4rv> http://pastebin.com/bTN8SKLf
Jan 09 10:02:19 <jcsullins> run it again
Jan 09 10:02:56 <h4rv> the same ...
Jan 09 10:03:50 <jcsullins> same exact output?
Jan 09 10:04:32 <h4rv> the same ...
Jan 09 10:05:02 <jcsullins> ok, guess it's corrupted now
Jan 09 10:05:36 <h4rv> hmm ... i'll reboot it and try again, ok?
Jan 09 10:05:49 <jcsullins> sure
Jan 09 10:06:28 <h4rv> thanks so far, have to go afk ...
Jan 09 12:21:28 <martnott> hi
Jan 09 12:22:24 <martnott> i'd like to know what is the status of the port of the qt for web os?
Jan 09 15:05:47 <fmertz> Hi, I was looking at /proc/config.gz
Jan 09 15:06:05 <fmertz> The default webos kernel seems to be compiled without ipv6 support.
Jan 09 15:06:30 <fmertz> Can a self compiled kernel be made and substituted "easily"? Thanks.
Jan 09 15:11:44 <RichT23> fmertz: there are some "self compiled kernel" in the Preware catalog already
Jan 09 15:12:33 <RichT23> i dont how what toys they need to compile but the facility is there to use them...
Jan 09 15:13:53 <h4rv> jcsullins: hey, i've got dosfsck working without errors :D
Jan 09 15:18:15 <fmertz> Are the kernel sources (or patches) available anywhere obvious?
Jan 09 15:18:57 <fmertz> I was hoping to give a try to compiling my own
Jan 09 15:21:31 <jcsullins> h4rv: that's good news; how did you do it?
Jan 09 15:22:09 <Brybry> fmertz: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels seemed to work for me
Jan 09 15:22:20 <h4rv> jcsullins: dosfsck -r /dev/store/media (use backup)
Jan 09 15:22:23 <Brybry> I haven't actually tested a kernel I've built from that but I have built modules and successfully used them
Jan 09 15:22:50 <jcsullins> h4rv: ah, ok. so /media/internal is unmounted, I assume?
Jan 09 15:22:57 <h4rv> yep.
Jan 09 15:23:44 <jcsullins> just a min, needs to check syntax of command ...
Jan 09 15:24:07 <fmertz> Brybry: thanks for that.
Jan 09 15:24:44 <fmertz> Once compiled, is it hard to actually put it on the device? Is it just a matter of copying it over the "old" one?
Jan 09 15:26:12 <Brybry> no idea, I've only deployed modules not an actual kernel though I think that article covers booting from your new kernel
Jan 09 15:26:14 <fmertz> never mind, it is on the wiki.
Jan 09 15:26:23 <fmertz> Thanks.
Jan 09 15:26:50 <jcsullins> h4rv: resizefat /dev/store/media 17.63G
Jan 09 15:26:53 <fmertz> For an ARM toolchain, what do folks use?
Jan 09 15:27:19 <fmertz> I have used buildroot for PowerPC cross compiling (for the Wii) before.
Jan 09 15:27:33 <jcsullins> fmertz: cs2009q1 (cs = CodeSourcery)
Jan 09 15:27:35 <fmertz> And for uClibc cross compiling on PC.
Jan 09 15:27:54 <h4rv> jcsullins: looks like this is the last command i need, isn't it?
Jan 09 15:27:55 <fmertz> Is it open source?
Jan 09 15:28:06 <fmertz> (let me look it up)
Jan 09 15:28:08 <jcsullins> h4rv: should be
Jan 09 15:28:25 <jcsullins> fmertz: yeah, it should be
Jan 09 15:29:09 <h4rv> jcsullins: zero error. mount it again and try?
Jan 09 15:29:27 <fmertz> I thought of giving a shot to crosstool-ng. Seem slike a nice project, too.
Jan 09 15:29:37 <jcsullins> h4rv: just reboot
Jan 09 15:30:37 <jcsullins> fmertz: might want to look at (if haven't already): http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Tools
Jan 09 15:31:13 <fmertz> Thanks for that.
Jan 09 15:31:49 <h4rv> jcsullins: perfect, thank you :)
Jan 09 15:31:58 <jcsullins> no problem
Jan 09 17:02:08 <jcerwinske> Howdy folks... Can anyone tell me if there is a real difference between verizon pre 2 and unlocked pre 2 for purposes of making Spring Franken Pre 2?
Jan 09 17:02:44 <oilsworkn> im not sure there is
Jan 09 17:02:55 <oilsworkn> or rather, not much
Jan 09 17:03:54 <jcerwinske> seems like only difference is the doc to use, but watned to be sure before I hit the ebay
Jan 09 17:05:12 <ka6sox> any pre2 will work for a franken
Jan 09 17:07:01 <jcerwinske> ok, so the cheapest one I can score on ebay :)
Jan 09 19:16:29 <summatusmentis> hi all, I'm wondering what the limit is that is imposed by the webOS browser for offline storage? Is it possible to change it?
Jan 09 19:19:37 <oilsworkn> eventually? xD
Jan 09 19:19:53 <summatusmentis> so not "now"
Jan 09 19:19:58 <summatusmentis> that's not as helpful
Jan 09 19:20:09 <summatusmentis> I really want google music (spoofed iphone UA) functioning
Jan 09 19:22:54 <oilsworkn> eventually in the sense that eventually we'll get the source and you can change whatever you want
Jan 09 19:23:05 <summatusmentis> right, I assumed as much
Jan 09 19:23:28 <summatusmentis> but that doesn't help stay my desire for a supported phone OS
Jan 09 19:23:37 <summatusmentis> (from an app perspective
Jan 09 19:24:40 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jan 09 19:26:21 * summatusmentis ponders going GNexus on sprint
Jan 09 19:26:35 <summatusmentis> then I can just put webOS back on it when the source is available :)
Jan 09 19:26:41 <oilsworkn> hehe yeah
Jan 09 19:27:26 <oilsworkn> my sprint pre2 is still working like a champ, so im just waiting to see what goes down
Jan 09 19:27:41 <summatusmentis> I think my headphone jack is dying on my sprint pre2
Jan 09 19:27:55 <oilsworkn> well, i think every pre is like that
Jan 09 19:28:08 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 09 19:28:14 <summatusmentis> the mag-connector on my veer doesn't do that :)
Jan 09 19:28:16 <rwhitby> morning
Jan 09 19:28:20 <summatusmentis> hi rwhitby
Jan 09 19:28:26 <oilsworkn> every so often my phone will get stuck in headset mode
Jan 09 19:28:38 <oilsworkn> but i've got a little metal sprint on my dash that goes in and perfectly fixes it
Jan 09 19:28:46 <oilsworkn> s/sprint/sprint/
Jan 09 19:28:50 <oilsworkn> spring*
Jan 09 19:28:52 <summatusmentis> my primary use for my phone is music
Jan 09 19:28:52 <oilsworkn> wow
Jan 09 19:29:01 <summatusmentis> headphone jack is crucial
Jan 09 19:29:08 <oilsworkn> summatusmentis: go bluetooth!
Jan 09 19:29:15 <oilsworkn> screw wires
Jan 09 19:29:17 <summatusmentis> I don't own bluetooth headphones
Jan 09 19:29:17 <oilsworkn> heh
Jan 09 19:29:23 <oilsworkn> oh
Jan 09 19:29:43 <summatusmentis> and it's sorta hard to justify the $150 for the sennheiser ones
Jan 09 19:29:54 <oilsworkn> i bought plantronics a2dp bluetooth headset a while ago, it works pretty good, comfortable, etc
Jan 09 19:30:04 <summatusmentis> how's the sound?
Jan 09 19:30:10 <RagingMind> best thing I've done for my pre+ is put a little bit of powdered graphite in the headphone jack
Jan 09 19:31:01 <oilsworkn> pretty good
Jan 09 19:31:19 <summatusmentis> koss portapro good?
Jan 09 19:31:34 <oilsworkn> idk
Jan 09 19:31:38 <oilsworkn> im no audiophile
Jan 09 19:31:51 <summatusmentis> sadday
Jan 09 19:31:54 <summatusmentis> you should work on that
Jan 09 19:32:01 <oilsworkn> meh
Jan 09 19:32:10 * rwhitby uses motorola S505, and own choice of earphones to go with it
Jan 09 19:33:03 <oilsworkn> its a little bt->3.5mm thing?
Jan 09 19:33:15 <rwhitby> yep
Jan 09 19:33:19 <oilsworkn> battery?
Jan 09 19:33:19 <summatusmentis> intriguing
Jan 09 19:33:31 <rwhitby> most importantly, it has micro-usb charging
Jan 09 19:33:42 <rwhitby> (so charge from same cable as webOS devices)
Jan 09 19:33:47 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jan 09 19:33:54 <oilsworkn> so is the plantronics i got
Jan 09 19:34:07 <oilsworkn> very handy
Jan 09 19:35:22 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: where'd you find that thing?
Jan 09 19:35:37 * oilsworkn best australia heh
Jan 09 19:35:38 <rwhitby> Akihabra I think
Jan 09 19:35:41 <oilsworkn> bets
Jan 09 19:35:51 <rwhitby> (Tokyo)
Jan 09 19:36:02 <oilsworkn> oh, i was wrong
Jan 09 19:36:02 <summatusmentis> oh, I'll just fly over there and pick one up :)
Jan 09 19:36:24 * summatusmentis googles around some more
Jan 09 19:36:27 <oilsworkn> heh
Jan 09 19:41:56 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: neat, I might be stuck getting something like http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F8Z492-P-Bluetooth-Music-Receiver/dp/B0047T79VS/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1326137971&sr=1-1
Jan 09 19:42:05 <summatusmentis> but thanks for pointing out that these things even existed
Jan 09 19:43:08 <oilsworkn> heh
Jan 09 19:44:50 <oilsworkn> $38 doesn't seem bad at all for that
Jan 09 19:46:56 * oilsworkn is thinking about buying nba jam tournament edition for his snes off ebay
Jan 09 19:50:17 <summatusmentis> has HP given a timeframe for their intent to OSS? I haven't seen anything, but it's possible I missed it
Jan 09 19:50:42 <dwc-> no
Jan 09 19:50:54 <summatusmentis> mk
Jan 09 19:51:03 <summatusmentis> I wish they'd hurry up
Jan 09 19:51:13 <summatusmentis> you know, me and everyone else
Jan 09 19:51:19 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 09 20:16:17 <RagingMind> apparently I need another part to get usb host mode on my touchpad working *sigh*
Jan 09 22:47:03 <PatrickC> did the vzw pre3 have 8 or 16gb space?
Jan 09 22:47:15 <PatrickC> google isnt of much help lol
Jan 09 23:01:17 <dwc-> I found an answer on google
Jan 09 23:01:43 <PatrickC> i looked for like 10 minutes and couldnt find one lol
Jan 09 23:05:05 <wrea> then you really suck at searching.
Jan 09 23:05:19 <wrea> it was the first on the page
Jan 09 23:05:30 <PatrickC> i found basic pre3 specs, but none that were vzw specific
Jan 09 23:05:40 <dwc-> wrea: hope you're not including wikipedia links
Jan 09 23:06:03 <wrea> nope, dont really trust using them for specs of things
Jan 09 23:06:25 <wrea> should change it to 1TB storage
Jan 09 23:07:48 <PatrickC> all i see are things like "8 or 16 GB"
Jan 09 23:15:08 <dwc-> I added search terms and a restriction to specific sites that I felt would have good information
Jan 09 23:15:23 * PatrickC doesnt know how to do that lol
Jan 09 23:15:27 <dwc-> site:
Jan 09 23:21:06 <dwc-> there's also a site where some people might be selling them
Jan 09 23:21:13 <dwc-> where they might have to put in what they're selling
Jan 09 23:21:24 <dwc-> where some other people might be upset if they're not getting what was advertised
Jan 09 23:45:14 <PatrickC> dwc-, thanks. didnt even think to look on ebay
Jan 09 23:45:53 <PatrickC> i think ill send this pre3 to wosi so they can use it for the EU pre3's to make them 16gb
Jan 09 23:46:05 <PatrickC> as long as the flash memory chip doesnt have anything to do with the processor
Jan 09 23:46:40 <bnceo`> wait
Jan 09 23:46:46 <bnceo`> you getting rid of a Verizon Pre3?
Jan 09 23:46:52 <bnceo`> well not getting rid of, but donating?
Jan 09 23:47:21 <PatrickC> it has a fried processor
Jan 09 23:47:30 <PatrickC> well, the processor's firmware is fried
Jan 09 23:47:38 <bnceo`> ugh. I hate that
Jan 09 23:47:45 <PatrickC> i got it from a friend for parts
Jan 09 23:47:50 <PatrickC> i have all the parts off it i need :)
Jan 09 23:47:50 <bnceo`> I think a brand new Pre2 I bought from HP got the same issue
Jan 09 23:47:56 <bnceo`> OOoOo
Jan 09 23:47:59 <PatrickC> really? did u contact them?
Jan 09 23:48:01 <bnceo`> what part did you grab?
Jan 09 23:48:06 <PatrickC> just the back plate
Jan 09 23:48:11 <PatrickC> my pre3 lost the camera lens
Jan 09 23:48:30 <PatrickC> so i took the back plate off of his and used it on mine :) now i have a camera lens
Jan 09 23:49:25 <bnceo`> man, I'm thinking of stop using my Pre3 just to preserve it
Jan 09 23:49:33 <bnceo`> not like I can go grab another one with ease
Jan 09 23:49:53 <PatrickC> yeah
Jan 09 23:50:02 <PatrickC> my pre3 has never been activated
Jan 09 23:50:16 <PatrickC> the auto-focus is broke on it though :/
Jan 09 23:50:17 <bnceo`> mine is my main device
Jan 09 23:50:32 <bnceo`> I've been slowly easing my way to learning Android
Jan 09 23:50:33 <PatrickC> right now blackberry is my main device
Jan 09 23:50:35 * PatrickC ducks
Jan 09 23:50:41 <bnceo`> but man, the Skyrocket is such a pain to hold
Jan 09 23:50:51 <bnceo`> the nexus is actually more a pleasure to hold.
Jan 09 23:51:02 * bnceo` wishes for an AT&T Nexus
Jan 09 23:51:10 * PatrickC wishes for a sprint pre3
Jan 09 23:51:14 <bnceo`> BB is fine.
Jan 09 23:51:23 <bnceo`> I can dig the newer torches
Jan 09 23:51:39 * halfhalo wishes for pie
Jan 09 23:51:43 <bnceo`> My gf made me mad when she was giving Android props and calling it easier to learn than webOS
Jan 09 23:52:14 <PatrickC> android is so not easier to learn then webos
Jan 09 23:53:13 <PatrickC> cm7 on the touchpad is kinda confusing
Jan 09 23:53:26 <PatrickC> and ive seen a nexus, and ive seen ics, looks really confusing too haha
Jan 10 00:04:05 <koo2> test:)
Jan 10 00:04:11 <koo2> hmm
Jan 10 00:04:17 <PatrickC> pass :)
Jan 10 00:04:52 <koo2> not really, trying to change wirc colors:)
Jan 10 00:05:04 <rrix> Does the Touchpad not have an integrated mic in its TRS headphone jack?
Jan 10 00:05:18 <rrix> I could have sworn I'd used it before but this TRRS doesn't work in the jack :(
Jan 10 00:07:23 <dwc-> only PatrickC would manage to break his phone before activating it
Jan 10 00:08:20 <PatrickC> dwc-, not on att, so i would never have activated it :)
Jan 10 00:17:58 <PatrickC> are the flash memory and the processor on the same chip
Jan 10 02:30:59 <PatrickC> ka6sox-away, let me know when u get on. question for u
Jan 10 02:35:54 <jmichaelx> so tonight i just discovered ipkg-opt... if i install cups, will i likely be able to print to a cups printer??
Jan 10 02:40:33 <RagingMind> jmichaelx, technically yes...
Jan 10 02:41:10 <RagingMind> but as far as I know there's no support for it in mojo/enyo/the_sdk so you wouldn't be able to from any webOS app
Jan 10 02:41:34 <RagingMind> but you should be able to print directly from a command line
Jan 10 02:41:41 <jmichaelx> ok, tyvm for the info. somehow i knew it wouldn't be that easy :-)
Jan 10 02:41:50 <jmichaelx> still very good to know
Jan 10 02:42:57 <RagingMind> I'm hoping that when things go open source cups or something else gets rolled in so that printing support is expanded to be more useful
Jan 10 02:43:20 <jmichaelx> that would definitely be awesome
Jan 10 02:44:29 <RagingMind> and probably a long way away yet
Jan 10 02:44:43 <jmichaelx> is there any word, or educated guess, as to what kind of license HP might go with for webOS?
Jan 10 02:45:26 <RagingMind> I tend to be pessimistic and assume we won't know till the source lands and people look at the license files, heh
Jan 10 02:46:35 <jmichaelx> well, there would be NOOOO good reason for that kind of skepticism!!
Jan 10 02:46:44 * jmichaelx chokes
Jan 10 02:46:52 <glazedfaith> After running the meta-doctor script for the Sprint Franken Verizon Pre 2, shouldn't the carrier in device info be listed as Sprint?
Jan 10 02:57:29 <glazedfaith> Nobody awake here?
Jan 10 02:59:22 <RagingMind> glazedfaith, people are awake, but it might take a while for someone with an answer to see your question ;)
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