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Jan 11 04:02:36 <RagingMind> where does preware keep the saved package list?
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Jan 11 07:18:36 <Veku> Hi, I'm trying to install preware on my touchpad...but it keeps installin git for ever! a
Jan 11 07:18:53 <Veku> anyone has nay idea what could be the problem?
Jan 11 07:28:09 <rwhitby> why are you installing preware via git?
Jan 11 07:28:21 <rwhitby> http://bit.ly/phd-ac is how you install Preware
Jan 11 07:55:36 <Veku> +rwhitby: I don't understand.
Jan 11 07:56:25 <Log1x> which is why you read the documentation he linked you
Jan 11 07:58:31 <Veku> oh..so I have to buy this documentation first?
Jan 11 07:58:52 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Jan 11 07:59:01 <Log1x> if you can't grasp installing it without it, apparently so.
Jan 11 08:00:50 <Veku> Sorry, I'm lost here. I thought I was suppose to just hoop up the tp with my computer and install preware via quickinstall.
Jan 11 08:00:57 <Veku> *hook
Jan 11 08:01:29 <rwhitby> that is correct, and exactly what that documentation tells you to do, in extreme detail, without mentioning git.
Jan 11 08:04:02 <Veku> I see. well, that's what I did..and after downloading the preware..it says 'installing'..and that's it.
Jan 11 08:04:26 <Veku> so it never finishes installing.
Jan 11 08:04:57 <rwhitby> oh, you meant "installing it", not "installin git" (git being a revision control program we use)
Jan 11 08:05:12 <Veku> lol..yeah.
Jan 11 08:05:33 <rwhitby> ok, so you have an issue with WOSQI?
Jan 11 08:05:42 <Veku> oh..what is that?
Jan 11 08:05:59 <rwhitby> WebOS Quick Install (by Jason Robitaille)
Jan 11 08:06:07 <Veku> oh
Jan 11 08:06:15 <rwhitby> Best to report that in his forum thread as directed by http://bit.ly/phd-ac
Jan 11 08:06:47 <rwhitby> there are other installation methods you can use at http://install.preware.org/ if his closed source tool doesn't work for you
Jan 11 08:07:17 <Veku> so it's a software problem..not hardware right?
Jan 11 08:07:25 <rwhitby> yes
Jan 11 08:07:36 <Veku> phew..
Jan 11 08:07:41 <rwhitby> I would reboot both your device and your computer first
Jan 11 08:07:59 <rwhitby> these closed source programs are hard for others to debug, so we can't really tell you what's wrong
Jan 11 08:08:13 <Veku> I did..then..I webdoc'd it twice..still the same.
Jan 11 08:08:14 <rwhitby> best to report it in his forum thread, it's not written by WebOS Internals
Jan 11 08:08:51 <Veku> hmm..
Jan 11 08:08:59 <Veku> ok..
Jan 11 08:09:54 <Veku> thanks for your help!
Jan 11 08:12:44 <hewball> rwhitby: is that touchstone coil just feeding straight to the 5v input of the phone?
Jan 11 08:14:29 <rwhitby> hewball: no, there's a pcb embedded as well
Jan 11 08:15:41 <rwhitby> hewball: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/sets/72157628557489531/
Jan 11 08:15:50 <ka6sox-farfarawa> hewball, I attached it to the 12vac input :D
Jan 11 08:17:17 <hewball> im amazed the charging works with the ac-dc-ac-dc changes
Jan 11 08:18:51 <hewball> nice work ka6sox-farfarawa
Jan 11 08:20:26 <rwhitby> hewball: this is the PCB: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/6567394357/in/set-72157628557489531/
Jan 11 08:21:57 <hewball> not many people are willing to take a soldering iron to phones :| it scares them too much
Jan 11 08:23:47 <hewball> i ended up butchering a touchstone for my pre3 to sit much nicer, and vaccum formed a cover for it
Jan 11 08:27:28 <hewball> ka6sox-farfarawa: from previous experience if someone asks you to extend compact flash pins, say no
Jan 11 09:00:24 <EricBlade> rwhitby: ever hear anyone complain about uberkernel doing weird things with wireless on pre2 2.2.4?
Jan 11 09:00:29 <EricBlade> er, wifi specifically
Jan 11 09:00:58 <rwhitby> EricBlade: no
Jan 11 09:02:17 <EricBlade> rwhitby: hmm. maybe just a freak occurence.  i've had uk pre-2 2.2.4 since shortly after it came out.. and today i noticed after i logged into skype, that my battery was draining at just a monstrous rate, like killing a freshly charged brand new one in a bit over an hour .. and after i got it home and logged out, i noticed that the WiFi was dropping constantly
Jan 11 09:02:54 <EricBlade> rebooted several times, tried different govnah settings, skype, no skype, etc, nothing changed .. i swapped back to the stock kernel, and it seems to have stayed on
Jan 11 10:15:24 <ka6sox-farfarawa> hewball, thanks for the advice, I will take it :D
Jan 11 10:18:02 <RagingMind> do they make soldering tweezers?
Jan 11 10:18:56 <ka6sox-farfarawa> RagingMind, yes
Jan 11 10:26:13 <bhuey> folks
Jan 11 10:26:16 <bhuey> hey ka6sox-farfarawa
Jan 11 22:09:29 <PuffTheMagic> running vim on my gentoo box though ssh in wterm -> http://ompldr.org/vYzdkaw/wterm_2012-11-01_170738.png
Jan 11 22:10:41 <summatusmentis> is there a mechanism by which to change the size of the wterm keyboard?
Jan 11 22:11:34 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, only if you rotate into portrait mode
Jan 11 22:11:46 <PuffTheMagic> vkb needs serious work
Jan 11 22:11:47 <summatusmentis> that makes it less usable :)
Jan 11 22:12:11 <summatusmentis> I find the keys a little bit too small
Jan 11 22:12:15 <summatusmentis> to do "real typing" on
Jan 11 22:12:22 <PuffTheMagic> TOO SMALL?
Jan 11 22:12:27 <summatusmentis> yes
Jan 11 22:12:30 <PuffTheMagic> do u want only 5 lines of term?
Jan 11 22:12:43 <summatusmentis> I want to be able to 10-finger type
Jan 11 22:12:55 <PuffTheMagic> pipe dream
Jan 11 22:12:58 <summatusmentis> without "oh, that's the g, I wanted k"
Jan 11 22:13:16 <PuffTheMagic> u might be able to get some more height
Jan 11 22:13:26 <PuffTheMagic> there is no way the keys could be wider
Jan 11 22:13:32 <dwc-> remove some!
Jan 11 22:14:15 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, why would I revert back to HP's vkb?
Jan 11 22:14:43 <summatusmentis> do you ever actually need the F# keys?
Jan 11 22:14:55 <PuffTheMagic> those are not the issue
Jan 11 22:15:01 <dwc-> maybe I should be more clear... multiple keyboard layouts
Jan 11 22:15:02 <PuffTheMagic> the issue is width not height
Jan 11 22:15:11 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, patches welcome!
Jan 11 22:15:23 <dwc-> you could in theory remove a bunch of the keys and let people swap
Jan 11 22:15:38 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: is the keyboard html/javascript or plugin?
Jan 11 22:15:39 <summatusmentis> the issue is it's not my macbook keyboard
Jan 11 22:15:40 <summatusmentis> >_>
Jan 11 22:15:48 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, both
Jan 11 22:15:48 <dwc-> lol
Jan 11 22:15:56 <LarrySteeze> I have a hard time with soft keyboards period
Jan 11 22:16:01 <dwc-> summatusmentis needs a cmd and an open-apple and expose keys
Jan 11 22:16:16 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, the visual part is enyo, but it injects sdl key events into the term via a plugin call
Jan 11 22:16:19 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: so one part displays it and the other part handles the keypresses?
Jan 11 22:16:38 <stbuehler> ah forget it, i'll just read the code :)
Jan 11 22:16:52 <summatusmentis> ok, bus time
Jan 11 22:16:55 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, u do know by the time i get the keyboard in good enough shape that is customizable easily the source code to HP's vkb will be out and we can just use that
Jan 11 22:17:07 <stbuehler> but i was impressed to have a terminal with tab completion, good job :)
Jan 11 22:17:25 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, thats sorta trivial... you just need a tab button ;)
Jan 11 22:17:43 <dwc-> so you'll have it ready in the coming months - a week? ;)
Jan 11 22:17:54 <stbuehler> well, i think it didn't work on cyanogenmod, but not sure anymore
Jan 11 22:19:14 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, tab completion is handled by the shell
Jan 11 22:19:20 <PuffTheMagic> all you need to do is send a tab
Jan 11 22:19:28 <dwc-> you can ^I in the old xterms
Jan 11 22:19:32 <PuffTheMagic> and of course handle the escape codes properly
Jan 11 22:19:34 <dwc-> and tab completion works, even in busybox
Jan 11 22:19:37 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: it doesn't look too difficult to change the layout; perhaps define layouts in .json files and load them dynamically. then people could design custom layouts to choose from
Jan 11 22:20:04 <stbuehler> and i know what handles tab completion
Jan 11 22:20:15 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, the vkb code is horribly ugly, it needs refactoring because it can become really flexible
Jan 11 22:20:48 <PuffTheMagic> and since it works good enough, im going to focus my immediate effort on other features
Jan 11 22:21:05 <PuffTheMagic> like figuring out why shit gets werid when using ssh
Jan 11 22:22:02 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: is the current git state usable?
Jan 11 22:25:32 <PuffTheMagic> ya absolutely
Jan 11 22:25:45 <PuffTheMagic> there is a tiny bug that happens when u palm-install while its running
Jan 11 22:25:49 <PuffTheMagic> but we are working on fixing that now
Jan 11 22:27:31 <stbuehler> there are some file that need chmod -x imho :)
Jan 11 22:29:04 <bhuey> folks
Jan 11 22:29:05 <bhuey> hey PuffTheMagic
Jan 11 22:29:34 <PuffTheMagic> bhuey, hows it going
Jan 11 22:29:36 <PuffTheMagic> happy new year
Jan 11 22:29:52 <bhuey> thanks happy new year back to you :)
Jan 11 22:30:10 <bhuey> just at home today dealing with a DSL installation
Jan 11 22:30:33 * PuffTheMagic pretends he didnt just hear DSL
Jan 11 22:33:56 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, I saw you forked so send me a merge request if u have something good
Jan 11 22:37:38 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: i'm not happy with the makefiles
Jan 11 22:37:49 <stbuehler> ROOT is used for lib/ and include/
Jan 11 22:38:12 <stbuehler> my palmpdk has include/ and device/lib :)
Jan 11 22:38:13 <stbuehler> wel
Jan 11 22:38:35 <stbuehler> also i have to modify files that are managed by git
Jan 11 22:38:36 <PuffTheMagic> ya i made a symlink for that since the palm layout is weird
Jan 11 22:39:20 <stbuehler> yeah, i guess i could create that symlink too
Jan 11 22:40:10 <stbuehler> if you want, have a look at my makefile for the qrdecoder; it uses an optional include so people can customize without changing repo files (https://github.com/stbuehler/pre-qrdecoder)
Jan 11 22:40:54 <stbuehler> also uses separate build dirs for -host and -device and -emu
Jan 11 22:45:59 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, its got to work with the wosi autobuilder too
Jan 11 22:51:51 <stbuehler> i don't see why it wouldn't :) just set defaults in a makefile, and include a customizable one, that doesn't have to exist
Jan 11 22:56:31 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, i take it you are working on a mac?
Jan 11 22:57:14 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: no, debian linux
Jan 11 22:57:28 <stbuehler> but no prepare environment
Jan 11 22:58:36 <PuffTheMagic> the palm stuff is only important for mac users i think
Jan 11 22:59:49 <stbuehler> well, i don't have /srv/preware/build, so that part can't work for me
Jan 11 23:00:32 <PuffTheMagic> well how do you crosscompile with out build.git?
Jan 11 23:01:54 <stbuehler> palmpdk has a compiler
Jan 11 23:02:32 <stbuehler> so basically i'm using the mac settings, and they work for me
Jan 11 23:16:12 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, i didnt think palmpdk came with a linux toolchain
Jan 11 23:16:21 <PuffTheMagic> i thought the pdk only had toolchains for windows and mac
Jan 11 23:19:58 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: i think this got "fixed" in recent sdk versions
Jan 11 23:41:46 <dwc-> yep, somewhat recent change in 3.later
Jan 12 00:07:47 <dtz> dtzWill: stupid server.
Jan 12 00:15:06 <scotttyyy> Can somebody help mee. I want to franken pre but all i have is fedora and cant find no rpms or anything. i cant change the root password becasue i cant figure out how to so i can acces ubuntu and all that
Jan 12 00:24:56 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: work in progress (but it works): https://github.com/stbuehler/wTerm/commits/wip
Jan 12 00:33:05 <PuffTheMagic> why did u comment out all the makefile.inc stuff
Jan 12 00:39:59 <dtzWill> presumably to hardcode his setup... lol
Jan 12 00:40:17 * dtzWill is helpful
Jan 12 00:47:40 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, looking forward to a merge request, looks promising so far
Jan 12 02:48:21 <bhuey> killer
Jan 12 02:48:40 * bhuey has high speed DSL now after tethering via a 3G connection since June 2011
Jan 12 02:50:47 <PuffTheMagic> bhuey, when I was in dayton this summer i had to tether at work all day at 1x with 1/2 a bar
Jan 12 02:50:49 <PuffTheMagic> that was no fun
Jan 12 02:59:05 <bhuey> yeah I've been doing that since I've moved up to SF
Jan 12 02:59:32 <bhuey> wasn't sure when the job situation was going to stabilize but broke down finally and get the broadband
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