**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 12 02:59:57 2012
Jan 12 03:26:21 <dwc-> sonic has a pretty good service
Jan 12 04:46:45 <moo> "# start org.webosinternals.optware" shows "(62726/647134509) org.webosinternals.optware (start) running" but it won't return to command line unless i press ctrl+c
Jan 12 04:47:13 <moo> no problem for other service. is there anything wrong with this init script?
Jan 12 09:50:53 <tanlaan1> Where exactly could I find the source for the OS itself? Something I could attempt to play around with compiling and possibly push development toward getting WebOS on another platform.
Jan 12 10:01:00 <DThought> tanlaan1: afaik HP didn't release any sourcecode yet... Of course huge portions are javascript, so the source is on your device / in the doctor
Jan 12 11:21:26 <panel> hello gentleman
Jan 12 13:37:16 <mmk> hi, i have a quick question -- how can i resize the opt ware.ext3 file?
Jan 12 13:37:35 <mmk> 128MB got filled already and I would like to have more space there :D
Jan 12 13:39:35 <mmk> anyone alive ? :D
Jan 12 13:47:08 <masterhit> heyas
Jan 12 13:48:36 <masterhit> did you try resize2fs?
Jan 12 13:53:34 <masterhit> mmk?
Jan 12 13:55:08 <masterhit>  Now I have a question, too
Jan 12 13:55:41 <masterhit> is it possible to use the virtual kb on a touchpad _and_ the bluetooth keybord (barcode scanner)
Jan 12 13:56:14 <masterhit> mine switches the virtual keyboard of as soon as i pair the bluetooth one,
Jan 12 13:56:27 <masterhit> but i still need the virtual kb
Jan 12 13:56:51 <masterhit>  --- the bluetooth barcode scanner cannot enter prices ;)
Jan 12 14:10:58 <mmk> hi
Jan 12 14:11:08 <mmk> well, the file was 128MB
Jan 12 14:11:16 <mmk> so you need to enlarge the file first
Jan 12 14:11:20 <mmk> before resize2fs
Jan 12 14:11:29 <mmk> so i ended up creating new file :)
Jan 12 14:11:32 <mmk> makefs on it
Jan 12 14:11:40 <mmk> mount both
Jan 12 14:11:46 <mmk> copy preserving attributes
Jan 12 14:11:49 <mmk> unmount
Jan 12 14:12:10 <mmk> then delete the small file and rename the big one
Jan 12 17:22:15 <Queenie_> I have the HP touchpad.  I have cable service through Comcast cable.  I can watch movies thru my account, however I can't using my touchpad because its not supported.  Is there a patch to fix this?  Same goes for my email either hotmail or yahoo.  The programs don't for with the browser.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.
Jan 12 17:23:26 <RagingMind> Queenie_, I haven't looked for hotmail, but I know yahoo works on my TP, both in browser and with the email app
Jan 12 17:24:14 <RagingMind> as for the comcast video... that's a tricky one because it depends on how the comcast site is sending video flash/silverlight/other
Jan 12 17:24:17 <Queenie_> its says switch to internet explore, safari or iso
Jan 12 17:25:00 <RagingMind> "its" is which issue?
Jan 12 17:25:35 <Queenie_> both
Jan 12 17:26:02 <Queenie_> if I log onto my hotmail from the web, it doesn't work
Jan 12 17:26:23 <RagingMind> for your email I suggest going into the accounts app and adding your accounts there to use the tp native email app
Jan 12 17:26:25 <Queenie_> yahoo works, but under the old version
Jan 12 17:27:13 <RagingMind> ah... the new version of yahoo works, but I was using a bookmark that told yahoo to ignore it's system requirements... give me a minute and I can get that link for you
Jan 12 17:27:38 <Queenie_> what suggestions do you have for comcast?
Jan 12 17:27:52 <Queenie_> awesome
Jan 12 17:28:21 <Queenie_> do you think the same would work for hotmail?
Jan 12 17:29:00 <RagingMind> well... the new yahoo mostly works the last time I tried it.  as yahoo tweaks their website the behavior changes and you can get some strange stuff
Jan 12 17:29:22 <RagingMind> I don't know how comcast is trying to serve the video, so I don't have any suggestions there. sorry
Jan 12 17:29:57 <Queenie_> no problem.  I will call them' maybe they can help me
Jan 12 17:31:00 <RagingMind> the link is http://us.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/dc/launch?sysreq=ignore
Jan 12 17:31:21 <RagingMind> sign in first, then use the link
Jan 12 17:40:35 <Cache2012> Hey all. Anyone working on getting Flash to see the Touchpad's build-in webcam?
Jan 12 17:41:40 <RagingMind> if it doesn't already, then it would probably require support/effort from adobe
Jan 12 17:41:42 <dwc-> flash is a big blob of binary, there's little-to-zero chance anyone outside of macromedia...err adobe can do it
Jan 12 17:42:57 <RagingMind> and they've already said they are discontinuing flash for mobile
Jan 12 17:44:21 <Cache2012> Thx for the info fellows.
Jan 12 17:47:23 <dwc-> I'm guessing nobody's even looked though... if you're lucky, support is in the binary, but there's a enable/disable camera flag that's just been set to disable... wouldn't hold much hope for that though
Jan 12 17:48:02 <RagingMind> does flash mobile support camera on any of it's platforms?
Jan 12 17:54:27 <Cache2012> @RagingMind, no idea.
Jan 12 18:22:00 <cant_run> hi guys..
Jan 12 18:22:27 <cant_run> can anyboby help me please? http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6673859653_47e4b661a7.jpg
Jan 12 18:22:48 <cant_run> i've got some problem with my touchscreen on palm pre
Jan 12 18:22:56 <cant_run> _http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6673859653_47e4b661a7.jpg
Jan 12 18:30:09 <cant_run> anybody?
Jan 12 18:32:30 * Mousey quits his job
Jan 12 18:32:44 <RagingMind> cant_run, IRC sometimes takes a while before someone with an answer sees your question and comments
Jan 12 18:33:13 <RagingMind> Mousey, what is/was your job?
Jan 12 18:36:34 * dwc- cant' tell what is supposedly a problem
Jan 12 18:38:14 <Mousey> RagingMind: parked pages and banner ads
Jan 12 18:49:12 <daradamm> i see
Jan 12 18:57:34 <ruumis> HP just pushed the webOS 3.0.5 update
Jan 12 18:57:47 <RagingMind> downloading! yippie!
Jan 12 18:58:01 <ka6sox> ruumis, for what?
Jan 12 18:58:30 <dwc-> devices with 3.x presumably
Jan 12 19:00:20 <oilsworkn> ka6sox: touchpad!
Jan 12 19:01:39 <RagingMind> if any phone got an update to 3.0.5 I think I'd shit a brick
Jan 12 19:01:46 <wrea> 3.0.5 installed
Jan 12 19:02:34 <leszek> hi
Jan 12 19:02:35 <fxspec06> hello
Jan 12 19:02:45 <leszek> you can I get a underscore _ symbol in sdlterminal ?
Jan 12 19:02:48 <leszek> :P
Jan 12 19:02:50 <fxspec06> so i installed 3.0.5 w/o removing anything. successfully installed.
Jan 12 19:02:57 <fxspec06> F4 is removed, as is GES
Jan 12 19:03:17 <fxspec06> i saw an update for F4 in preware and being the guinea pig, i just installed and the pad is booting up now.
Jan 12 19:05:30 <fxspec06> annnnnnnnnd it works. it works as far as an overclock is concerned.
Jan 12 19:05:55 <PuffTheMagic> the new sensor sutff in the PDK is nce
Jan 12 19:06:03 <PuffTheMagic> PDL_SENSOR_MAGNETIC_FIELD
Jan 12 19:06:05 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Jan 12 19:07:31 <GNUtoo> hi, I installed SHR and it doesn't boot, how do I recover with bootie, is there a bootie howto?
Jan 12 19:08:21 <RagingMind> leszek, you can use meta-doctor to change your keyboard layout if you really want to
Jan 12 19:08:40 <leszek> hmm... ok
Jan 12 19:10:41 <PuffTheMagic> GNUtoo, yo
Jan 12 19:10:48 <GNUtoo> hi
Jan 12 19:11:00 <PuffTheMagic> so u have a kernel issue
Jan 12 19:11:04 <GNUtoo> yes
Jan 12 19:11:05 <PuffTheMagic> or did u mess up partitions
Jan 12 19:11:13 <GNUtoo> current SHR have kernel problems
Jan 12 19:11:23 <PuffTheMagic> so put the phone in usb mode
Jan 12 19:11:26 <GNUtoo> and I'm not sure it's the usual alignement problem
Jan 12 19:11:28 <GNUtoo> it's done
Jan 12 19:11:28 <PuffTheMagic> and push a new kernel with novacom
Jan 12 19:11:30 <dwc-> that lets you pick between layouts, not do custom ones though... I assume he still needs his ä and ü and ö and that thing that looks like a beta
Jan 12 19:11:33 <GNUtoo> ah ok right
Jan 12 19:12:26 <GNUtoo> PuffTheMagic, since it run the SHR bootloader isn't it simplier to tell it to boot on the other kernel?
Jan 12 19:12:40 <GNUtoo> like changing the vars that got printed in printenv
Jan 12 19:12:40 <PuffTheMagic> idk anything about the SHR bootloader
Jan 12 19:12:54 <PuffTheMagic> but u said bootie
Jan 12 19:13:09 <PuffTheMagic> so I am assuming the SHR bootloader is a stage3 bootloader or something
Jan 12 19:13:19 <GNUtoo> the shr kernel doesn't boot
Jan 12 19:13:25 <GNUtoo> alignement or more issues
Jan 12 19:13:41 <GNUtoo> note that I'm new at the palm pre
Jan 12 19:13:50 <GNUtoo> I've no idea on how that shr bootloader work
Jan 12 19:14:02 <GNUtoo> I'll push a new kernel then
Jan 12 19:16:45 <ruumis> http://www.webosroundup.com/2012/01/webos-3-0-5-for-touchpad-released/
Jan 12 19:16:49 <GNUtoo> PuffTheMagic, at what point when xloader btw?
Jan 12 19:22:01 <PuffTheMagic> huh?
Jan 12 19:22:40 <GNUtoo> oops
Jan 12 19:22:42 <GNUtoo> I meant
Jan 12 19:23:09 <GNUtoo> at what point is xloader? I guess the only thing was the fact that you could see it trough lsusb
Jan 12 19:27:23 <PuffTheMagic> not sure that xloader is used on the pre
Jan 12 19:33:58 <GNUtoo> I know
Jan 12 19:34:08 <GNUtoo> but the community(you?) tried to port it
Jan 12 19:34:22 <GNUtoo> I did that:
Jan 12 19:34:34 <GNUtoo> setenv bootfile uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430
Jan 12 19:34:40 <GNUtoo> and then fsboot
Jan 12 19:34:50 <GNUtoo> and it booted under SHR with the palm kernel
Jan 12 19:34:52 <GNUtoo> I'll try harder
Jan 12 19:37:48 <fmertz> Anyone tried to compile a kernel with ipv6 support on the tp?
Jan 12 19:38:01 <GNUtoo> ok done tI got the menu again
Jan 12 19:38:12 <GNUtoo> with /dev/mmcblk0p1 instead of /dev/mmcblk0p2
Jan 12 19:42:47 <ruumis> cool, new warthog kernel already
Jan 12 20:34:59 <drobbins> can anyone give me a quick run-down of the open source strategy stuff going on at HP?
Jan 12 20:35:02 <drobbins> for WebOS
Jan 12 20:35:19 <drobbins> I have seen some recent tweets
Jan 12 20:46:10 <dwc-> TBD
Jan 12 20:46:31 <summatusmentis> drobbins: which tweets?
Jan 12 20:46:34 <summatusmentis> I haven't seen much
Jan 12 20:47:24 <grankin> Not sure how all this works, but here goes:  Have me a Pre2.  Installed Preware and Save/Restore.  Then was updated to WebOS 2.2.4, whereupon the phone ceased to be a phone.  HP's level 3 engineering types tell me that, after viewing the phone's logs, that Preware installed a partition, which is the cause of theproblem.
Jan 12 20:48:32 <ka6sox> preware NEVER installs a partition.
Jan 12 20:48:45 <grankin> So I'm re-installing the old OS in the hope of recovering a bunch of data AND getting an operable phone.  HP says I should hang on until Preware is fixed for OS 2.2.4.  Any clues on where that might be in the pipeline?
Jan 12 20:49:05 <summatusmentis> preware... works on 2.2.4?
Jan 12 20:50:07 <grankin> Preware's apps run on 2.2.4.  And is=t was HP's engineers who allege that it installed a partition.
Jan 12 20:50:47 <ka6sox> if you have novaterm send the output of lvscan please
Jan 12 20:51:51 <ka6sox> if you re-doctor..then we can't help you.
Jan 12 20:52:03 <grankin> Don't have novaterm, and phone's now awaiting re-load of old OS.
Jan 12 20:52:36 <grankin> Can terminate it.  Clue me in how to grab the relevant logs and get them to you.
Jan 12 20:52:55 <ka6sox> okay without more details it remains unconfirmed that "Preware installed a partition"
Jan 12 20:53:19 <ka6sox> don't interrupt it...then you *will* have to doctor the phone.
Jan 12 20:53:48 <grankin> Hasn't hooked up yet.
Jan 12 20:54:16 <grankin> "Next" button still greyed-out.
Jan 12 20:54:36 <grankin> That's on Doctor, of course.
Jan 12 21:05:44 <RagingMind> instead of a partition maybe they saw the logs for the optware ext3 image?  *shrugs*
Jan 12 21:06:30 <RagingMind> grankin, what os are you running on your computer?
Jan 12 21:06:57 <grankin> Running XP.
Jan 12 21:08:06 <RagingMind> and the doctor software is up, but you have not hit "next" yet?
Jan 12 21:09:09 <grankin> Have not.  Still greyed-out.
Jan 12 21:09:17 <ka6sox> grankin, did you manually or with tailor create a new partition?
Jan 12 21:09:58 <grankin> Nope.  I was a machine-lang programmer 45 years ago, am clueless about modern stuff.
Jan 12 21:10:25 <ka6sox> did you install optware?
Jan 12 21:10:55 <grankin> Installed Preware documentation, Preware, and Save/Restore only.
Jan 12 21:10:58 <RagingMind> grankin, what did you use to install preware?
Jan 12 21:11:47 <grankin> Quickinstall
Jan 12 21:13:01 <grankin> WebOSQuickInstall-4.3.1 and org.webosinternals.preware_1.8.3_arm
Jan 12 21:13:34 <RagingMind> does quick install have a terminal option? (you'd probably want to close the doctor first)
Jan 12 21:14:24 <RagingMind> I've been using the beta feeds, but I'm still sure that's a fairly old version of preware.  looking at the file on the server it looks like it's from September
Jan 12 21:17:02 <grankin> Just looked.  Says it is v.0.9.7
Jan 12 21:20:22 <grankin> Has optware.  asks if I want to add preware to the association list for .ipk.
Jan 12 21:21:19 <grankin> presumably answer = no.
Jan 12 21:21:36 <RagingMind> I normally say yes *shrugs*
Jan 12 21:22:11 <grankin> Cautious = me, unless I know what is involved.
Jan 12 21:22:27 <RagingMind> good instinct ;)
Jan 12 21:23:04 <grankin> It say "Preware is not associated to open application packages (.ipk files) from email or web."
Jan 12 21:23:20 <summatusmentis> all it does is makes Preware the default application for dealing with .ipk files
Jan 12 21:24:16 <grankin> Damned if I know what an ipk file is.  I can still convert binary to octal on sight, but know the new stuff?  fuggedaboudit!
Jan 12 21:24:46 <summatusmentis> .ipk is just a app package file
Jan 12 21:24:53 <summatusmentis> like a .deb, or .rpm
Jan 12 21:25:26 <RagingMind> can you open quick install and see if there's a "command line" or "terminal" option?
Jan 12 21:25:49 <EvilBill> I've got a Pre2 running WebOS 2.1.0 with Preware. I'd like to upgrade it to 2.2.4. Is there a quick/easy upgrade path that keeps Preware?
Jan 12 21:26:17 <RagingMind> EvilBill, funny you should mention that...
Jan 12 21:26:28 <EvilBill> oh boy.
Jan 12 21:26:50 <RagingMind> I personally have gone through several upgrades on my phone and touchpad and never "lost" preware
Jan 12 21:27:25 <EvilBill> I thought that may have been the case, but I wasn't sure.
Jan 12 21:27:28 <EvilBill> figured I'd ask. :)
Jan 12 21:28:04 <grankin> EvilBill, Preware will remain, as it did on my Pre2, as well as the sole homebrew app.  I upgraded to 2.2.4 3 times, lost the phone's function as a phone.  Each time.
Jan 12 21:28:40 <RagingMind> right now we're trying to help grankin figure out what happened with his upgrade, but so far his case seems to be unique.  (I haven't heard of anyone else yet)
Jan 12 21:28:57 <EvilBill> Weird.
Jan 12 21:29:07 <EvilBill> Well, this isn't my main device, so I'm game to try it.
Jan 12 21:29:35 <EvilBill> grankin: what'd you do, upgrade wise? Just push the upgrade button in the System Upgrades menu?
Jan 12 21:29:54 <grankin> That's exactly what I did.
Jan 12 21:30:15 <RagingMind> grankin, carrier?
Jan 12 21:30:32 <grankin> AT&T
Jan 12 21:30:37 <grankin> Unlocked, though.
Jan 12 21:30:44 <EvilBill> awesome, I'm on an AT&T phone, unlocked, with Preware.
Jan 12 21:30:46 <EvilBill> Doing it now.
Jan 12 21:31:27 <EvilBill> I bet some of my tweaks won't work - (like Poor Man's Twitter in the Messaging app)
Jan 12 21:31:28 <RagingMind> grankin, did you try doctoring directly to 2.2.4?
Jan 12 21:32:58 <RagingMind> but before that, it might be helpful to check the output of lvscan like ka6sox suggested
Jan 12 21:34:26 <grankin> OK, I remembered how to find the logs and have the collect logs page up on the phone
Jan 12 21:34:45 <grankin> 'quick log create'?
Jan 12 21:35:22 <grankin> The logs sent to HP was where they claimed to ID the partition they say preware created.
Jan 12 21:36:23 <RagingMind> honestly not sure what to do with the logs. but I can help you get terminal access and there are ways to check from there
Jan 12 21:37:07 <oilsworkn> or... lumberjack
Jan 12 21:38:01 <grankin> I'm having trouble getting quickinstall to find the drivers.
Jan 12 21:38:23 <EvilBill> Hm, update failed to validate.
Jan 12 21:39:21 <grankin> Worry not, EvilBill, it'll do it again later.  Will validate, will take for effing ever to then unpack, install, recover what data it can ... then try calling someone..
Jan 12 21:39:33 <EvilBill> Working on it.
Jan 12 21:39:38 <EvilBill> told it to try again
Jan 12 21:41:26 <ka6sox> you can use lumberjack to figure this out too.
Jan 12 21:42:52 <grankin> Gonna have another word with HP.  Gotta split.  May be back later.  Thanks, guys!
Jan 12 22:24:59 <EvilBill> well, I just upgraded my Pre2 to 2.2.4.
Jan 12 22:25:03 <EvilBill> And I have phone.
Jan 12 23:54:22 <bhuey> folks
Jan 12 23:55:42 <wrea> hi
Jan 13 01:30:30 <bhuey> folks
Jan 13 01:46:07 <EricBlade1> bhuey
Jan 13 01:47:12 <PuffTheMagic> is vim in optware broken for anyone besides me
Jan 13 01:47:25 <PuffTheMagic> it doesnt matter if I use novaterm or wterm, cursor keys are jacked up
Jan 13 02:13:37 <Kas_> with the meta doctor and creating a partition for ubuntu chroot/debian chroot with the touchpad, after I make the meta doctor and run it, does the meta doctor act like a normal webos doctor and reset my device, only with the extra chroot partition when it
Jan 13 02:13:37 <Kas_> 's finished?
Jan 13 02:14:27 <Kas_> or does the meta doctor just create the extra partition, without resetting/restoring my device?
Jan 13 02:34:47 <Kas__> test
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