**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 13 02:59:57 2012 Jan 13 03:26:35 Kas__: always assume the doctor wipes everything Jan 13 03:29:28 hey rwhitby Jan 13 04:06:02 so, any more news on webOs being open source? i know that rod was in sunnyvale today. didnt have the chance to see much about what he was saying. Jan 13 04:06:11 i was dealing with an issue with my phone and sprint Jan 13 04:06:22 because he wasnt saying anything Jan 13 04:06:32 ah Jan 13 04:06:34 like a boss. Jan 13 04:07:22 besides, i'm sure he was there only to steal all the opal's they have. Jan 13 04:08:06 halfhalo: indeed Jan 13 04:09:32 he's been at HP for 48, enyo is well on it's way to being open-sourced Jan 13 04:10:26 community involvement and contribution is major part of the planning Jan 13 04:10:42 nice Jan 13 04:10:43 "very interesting plan coming together" Jan 13 04:10:47 cant wait till enyo is open sourced Jan 13 04:10:52 that's the jist of it Jan 13 04:11:25 ive been talking with the dev of SayIt for Blackberry, and he seems interested in webOS once he's done with blackberry especially since enyo will be open sourced for cross-platform'ness Jan 13 04:11:30 SayIt is like Siri Jan 13 04:12:20 hi Jan 13 04:12:36 what does "like Siri" mean to you? Jan 13 04:12:47 it does the same things just about Jan 13 04:12:57 what does "just about" mean? Jan 13 04:13:22 as like siri as can be without being siri Jan 13 04:14:13 so... crap. Jan 13 04:14:22 http://www.berryreview.com/2012/01/04/want-siri-on-your-blackberry-just-say-it-with-say-it/ Jan 13 04:14:26 that doesn't look at all like siri Jan 13 04:14:33 that's voice command recognition Jan 13 04:14:34 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=vi&u=http://dev-group.dauden.vn/showthread.php%3F54-SayIt-Ph%2526%25237847%253Bn-m%2526%25237873%253Bm-nh%2526%25237853%253Bn-d%2526%25237841%253Bng-gi%2526%25237885%253Bng-n%25F3i-%2526%2523273%253Ba-t%25EDnh-n%2526%2523259%253Bng&ei=BOEET5zZHaqFsALw55iRCg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://dev-group.dauden.vn/showthread.php%253F54-Say Jan 13 04:14:34 It%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DtgG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns Jan 13 04:14:42 wow thats a long link Jan 13 04:14:43 not at all the same thing Jan 13 04:14:45 lemme shorten it Jan 13 04:15:14 http://bit.ly/xHE26z Jan 13 04:15:26 I don't mean to sound hostile, I'm very skeptical of "JUST LIKE SIRI" claims Jan 13 04:15:34 because Siri is cutting edge research Jan 13 04:15:43 or, just-short-of Jan 13 04:15:45 yeah Jan 13 04:15:55 this is as close as someone without the money that apple has can get Jan 13 04:16:10 "not that close" Jan 13 04:16:13 he is constantly making improvments too Jan 13 04:16:24 i have it (he gave me a review copy) Jan 13 04:16:26 seems nice Jan 13 04:16:43 I'm sure it's a nice app Jan 13 04:16:54 but I bet it's not Siri quality, at all Jan 13 04:17:16 obviously not yet (as its still in beta) but its getting there Jan 13 04:17:31 specifically, and your link supports it, it's just voice-command recognition Jan 13 04:19:23 "Voice Assistant" Jan 13 04:19:33 * PatrickC doesnt think this is worth arguing about though Jan 13 04:19:39 especially not on #webos-internals :) Jan 13 04:19:53 I mean, no, I'm sure it's a nice app, and it looks like it covers a lot Jan 13 05:56:53 summatusmentis: nice summary ;) Jan 13 05:57:15 rwhitby: :-D I keep up on things Jan 13 06:07:50 I had voice commands in 2004 on palmos :P Jan 13 06:08:01 plain old voice command is solved Jan 13 06:08:06 and meaningless Jan 13 06:27:20 yeah sanyo had voice command on the 5300 so thwt was about 2002orso Jan 13 06:28:00 zypr does look interesting. i wont have time to mess with my api key for it for a long time though Jan 13 06:58:41 ~. Jan 13 06:58:42 methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. Jan 13 06:59:10 crap Jan 13 07:02:32 methinks crap is not the escape sequence you're looking for. Jan 13 07:03:49 something stronger, perhaps Jan 13 09:44:14 PatrickC_Away: siri is hardly tech that you need "the money that apple has" ... it was a startup and the technology was well on its way to being developed for multiple platforms for way less than that Jan 13 10:32:31 in lumberjack on my veer, i see that PmWsfDaemon returns a User.Err unrecognized ifindex 6. any ideas what that could be? Jan 13 14:31:08 if i set the log level to error, then is it still expected for info messages to pop up in /var/log/messages? Jan 13 14:31:34 my veer is extremely slow most of the time, i don't quite understand why just yet, but it seems something is off Jan 13 14:34:17 any ideas are welcome btw Jan 13 14:35:30 and with slow i mean: entering #*devmode# in the phone app can take just about a minute (but after some time it suddenly starts working relatively ok) Jan 13 14:46:55 anyone? anything? Jan 13 14:50:21 So Jan 13 14:50:25 Should I install this update? Jan 13 14:51:20 * madnificent hasn't heard anything bad about updates so far but hasn't been lurking enough to know for sure Jan 13 14:51:56 Hmm.. Just curious how it might affect mods Jan 13 14:52:09 Should probably check webosnation forums Jan 13 14:52:30 yeah, it seems a tad dead in here today (which is sad for me0 Jan 13 14:55:01 * madnificent feels sad for his little veer Jan 13 15:02:52 b3d0u1n: the update worked fine on my TP earlier. Jan 13 16:03:28 a bunch of projects seem to have their logging set to 99, i'm going to lower that wherever i can find it Jan 13 16:03:34 find and sed ftw! Jan 13 16:35:21 * DougReeder waves hello Jan 13 16:36:23 I forgot to uninstall the " Muffle System Logging" patch before updating to 3.0.5. What's the recovery proceedure? Jan 13 16:38:03 is it still advisable to hold off on the 3.0.5 update, or are many of the updated patches ready? Jan 13 16:39:19 I can guess most patches were tested against 3.0.5 betas -- if they aren't available, they should be soon. Jan 13 17:31:24 so, doctoring didn't do the slightest thing either, any ideas, anyone? Jan 13 17:33:54 infobot: tell DougReeder about epr Jan 13 17:35:30 Thanks dwc- but it's not telling me anything. Jan 13 17:36:30 ~epr Jan 13 17:36:30 [epr] Emergency Patch Recovery, which will remove installed patches. Jan 13 17:36:40 EPR = "Emergency Pat.... ah, thanks Jan 13 17:41:04 that muffle system logging is probably what I needed, thanks! Jan 13 17:41:29 would've been nice if someone told me before i started the doctor, but at least it's a solution \o/ Jan 13 17:41:45 dwc-, DougReeder: ty Jan 13 17:42:57 Muffle is no longer listed as being installed; does the 3.0.5 OTA overwrite it, so Muffle is correctly listed as not installed? Jan 13 17:47:17 .. or is that what Emergency File Verification tells one? Jan 13 17:58:29 Okay, Glyder is less laggy than under 3.0.4, without Muffle, but still unusable. :-( Jan 13 20:15:18 has anyone tried xterm on 3.0.5? it seems that the update has killed the ability to use the ctrl key on the by keyboard Jan 13 20:15:39 bt* Jan 13 20:16:19 hello Jan 13 20:16:21 PuffTheMagic: also, is wterm not supposed to work w/ the external keyboard? Jan 13 20:18:06 dtzWill: ping? Jan 13 20:24:02 summatusmentis, its not not supposed to work with external keyboard Jan 13 20:24:11 i just left my bt kb at my house in troy Jan 13 20:24:15 and im at my parent in buffalo Jan 13 20:24:21 i havent had a chance to work on that Jan 13 20:25:22 PuffTheMagic: well, ok, at least it's supposed to be broken Jan 13 20:26:11 summatusmentis, Brybry has been working on bt keyboard support for it Jan 13 20:27:40 mm, it's not super critical, I just was wanting a terminal app with ctrl external in support, and none seem to have it at the moment Jan 13 22:58:17 when I make the meta doctor file for installing ubuntu or debian on my touchpad, will that meta doctor file restore and make the new partition? or will the new meta doctor file just make the new partition without having to restore my device? Jan 13 23:02:53 answer hasn't changed since yesterday Jan 13 23:02:57 19:26 <+rwhitby> Kas__: always assume the doctor wipes everything Jan 13 23:03:39 but dwc Jan 13 23:04:03 I wanted to know if it does by default, like the normal doctor Jan 13 23:04:59 even though I am gracious of rod for answering, I really want to know if meta doctor wipes the touchpad by efault Jan 13 23:05:16 *default. Jan 13 23:05:22 that is the default. hence the assumption. Jan 13 23:05:36 it doesn't /always/ wipe the internal partition, but you should assume it will Jan 13 23:05:49 but yes, it wipes the rest Jan 13 23:06:11 oh man, so all apps and homebrew will be gone Jan 13 23:06:42 correct Jan 13 23:37:43 hi Jan 13 23:39:50 I'm trying to install ubuntuchroot. I'm failling Jan 13 23:43:07 what's the process to joined #webos-internals Jan 13 23:44:05 I don't think so Jan 13 23:47:07 you're already here in #webos-internals Jan 13 23:49:56 I've juste joined webos-internal Jan 14 00:03:29 I'm trying to make a partition for ubuntuchroot. I've been trying with the wiki instructions and I didn't succed. I'm using ubuntu 11.1o Jan 14 00:15:27 I'm using later version of ubuntu. I' m trying to install ubuntuchroot on my touchpad. I cannot make a partition. Because I don't have a permission to root Jan 14 00:18:03 what must I do to fixe this issue Jan 14 00:21:02 it doesn't sound like you're doing the commands on the right system Jan 14 00:21:14 what's the url to the directions you are following Jan 14 00:22:26 a minute Jan 14 00:24:54 www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ubuntuchroot Jan 14 00:25:59 so what have you done so far Jan 14 00:26:56 I made the point Jan 14 00:27:31 what method are you using for the repartitioning? Jan 14 00:27:47 I' ve install meta-doctor Jan 14 00:28:45 you've created it and run it? Jan 14 00:29:03 and wiped your touchpad while letting it create the partition you need? Jan 14 00:30:29 my touchpad was connect as usb Jan 14 00:32:41 no I don't. Jan 14 00:38:44 what must I do to make a partition Jan 14 00:39:29 which are the steps to follow ? Jan 14 00:39:30 the link there points at the directions for the meta-doctor Jan 14 00:42:08 under Step 1: Creating a WebOS Doctor is the customizations you'll need to apply when you follow the directions for Setting up Meta-Dctor Step 1 Jan 14 00:43:11 I've followed that link Jan 14 00:46:19 I removed # and set 1o GB Jan 14 00:46:51 and increase 512MB to 2 GB Jan 14 00:46:58 then build the metadoctor Jan 14 00:47:29 HOW? Jan 14 00:47:54 step 2 on that page Jan 14 00:48:06 Application:MetaDoctor Jan 14 00:51:16 I've also followed this. Ubuntu dinied the permission for 4th code Jan 14 00:57:51 put your command and output in pastebin.com and link it here Jan 14 01:10:08 I didn't understand your last instruction Jan 14 01:11:24 I want to see the command and the error resulting Jan 14 01:11:39 ok Jan 14 01:11:44 go to pastebin.com, and copy it there, and then give us the url it gives you Jan 14 01:47:51 I've past the result of the 3rd and 4th code and the result Jan 14 01:48:32 I don't know if i did well Jan 14 02:23:25 it didn't give url **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 14 02:59:57 2012