**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 14 02:59:57 2012
Jan 14 04:05:44 <Brybry> summatusmentis: your ctrl key should work? it's just poor behavior at the moment/you have to 'tap' control then hit whatever key
Jan 14 04:57:10 <rhcp> sup all
Jan 14 04:57:22 <rhcp> Question. anyone got a decent native linux? for touchpad going yet?
Jan 14 04:57:31 <rhcp> i see ubuntu is kinda crappy. and arch is almost there
Jan 14 04:57:36 <rhcp> no sound/cam
Jan 14 04:58:26 <PatrickC> why is the ubuntu crappy?
Jan 14 04:58:39 <rhcp> from what i saw
Jan 14 04:58:41 <rhcp> no touchscreen
Jan 14 04:58:42 <rhcp> no sound
Jan 14 04:58:43 <rhcp> etc
Jan 14 04:58:50 <PatrickC> works perfectly for me?
Jan 14 04:58:56 <PatrickC> s/?/ /
Jan 14 04:58:56 <infobot> PatrickC meant: works perfectly for me
Jan 14 04:59:11 <PatrickC> i believe the sound also works fine too
Jan 14 04:59:15 <rhcp> oh?
Jan 14 04:59:20 <rhcp> you got a link to a newer version?
Jan 14 04:59:27 <rhcp> oh btw
Jan 14 04:59:28 <rhcp> native?
Jan 14 04:59:30 <rhcp> not chroot?
Jan 14 04:59:39 <PatrickC> no, chroot
Jan 14 04:59:43 <rhcp> i want native
Jan 14 04:59:44 <rhcp> :)
Jan 14 05:00:04 <PatrickC> ah, like a full dual-boot :)
Jan 14 05:00:17 <rhcp> tri boot
Jan 14 05:00:18 <rhcp> but yes
Jan 14 05:00:28 <rhcp> i see arch is almost there. ubuntu port is horrid atm
Jan 14 05:00:41 <rhcp> and i thought one person in here was working on something too
Jan 14 05:00:43 <rhcp> hence why i ask
Jan 14 05:01:02 <Brybry> does webos not count as decent native linux? :3
Jan 14 05:02:11 <rhcp> oh its good
Jan 14 05:02:12 <rhcp> i love webos
Jan 14 05:02:34 <rhcp> it would be nice to have a real native linux though
Jan 14 05:16:54 <dwc-> webos is linux!
Jan 14 05:21:39 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, yo
Jan 14 05:21:41 <PuffTheMagic> help me
Jan 14 05:22:37 <EricBlade1> dwc-: lies
Jan 14 05:35:10 <dwc-> what's up
Jan 14 05:40:28 <error454> What version of codesourcery toolchain do you guys compile kernels with?
Jan 14 05:47:45 <rwhitby> 2009q1, see lines 200 to 300 of http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/support/kernel.mk
Jan 14 05:48:10 <rwhitby> amd http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/toolchain/cs09q1armel/Makefile for where to get it
Jan 14 05:49:20 <anonymous2k12> hello all
Jan 14 05:49:39 <anonymous2k12> does preware work for WebOS 3.0.5?
Jan 14 05:49:46 <rwhitby> yes
Jan 14 05:50:03 <error454> thanks
Jan 14 05:50:44 <anonymous2k12> ok, im in the hp app catalog and could not find preware, so im doing something wrong
Jan 14 05:50:58 <rwhitby> http://bit.ly/phd-ac
Jan 14 05:51:23 <rwhitby> read that
Jan 14 05:51:50 <anonymous2k12> hmmm 0.99 sounds cheap
Jan 14 05:52:08 <crimsonredmk> rwhitby random question, but have you ever heard of yamato_dri.so in all your webOS/touchpad endeavors?
Jan 14 05:52:26 <rwhitby> crimsonredmk: my guess is something to do with the LCD
Jan 14 05:52:53 <crimsonredmk> what is this guess based on? is there a yamato chip or something?
Jan 14 05:53:00 <rwhitby> anonymous2k12: 0.99 saves you wasting hours of your time reading all the incorrect forums posts and blog articles
Jan 14 05:53:25 <anonymous2k12> honestly, you have a valid point!
Jan 14 05:53:34 <anonymous2k12> lots of incorrect guides
Jan 14 05:53:39 <rwhitby> that's why I created it
Jan 14 05:54:32 <anonymous2k12> hmm i have a dollar on teh carpet
Jan 14 05:54:33 <rwhitby> alternatively, you can look at http://install.preware.org and make a paypal donation at http://donate.webos-internals.org/
Jan 14 05:54:48 <rwhitby> (if you choose to donate, it is not a requirement)
Jan 14 05:55:07 <anonymous2k12> either go to the gas station buy a pack of gum, or get this and enjoy with my touchpad
Jan 14 05:55:22 <anonymous2k12> ill purchase it!
Jan 14 05:55:29 <rwhitby> anonymous2k12: the petrol to get to the gas station will be another 0.99 ;)
Jan 14 05:55:42 <anonymous2k12> yea
Jan 14 05:55:59 <anonymous2k12> and if your car breaks down, thats $100.99
Jan 14 05:56:05 <anonymous2k12> towing*
Jan 14 05:56:21 <anonymous2k12> buy 100 documentations
Jan 14 05:56:43 <crimsonredmk> rwhitby any ideas where i can learn more about yamato?
Jan 14 05:56:50 <anonymous2k12> i havent purchased anything from the hp market, so ill peek in and see how it works
Jan 14 05:57:58 <rwhitby> crimsonredmk: nope
Jan 14 05:59:36 <rwhitby> crimsonredmk: line 33 of http://code.google.com/p/bricked/source/browse/drivers/video/msm_8x60/gpu/kgsl_adreno220/kgsl_ringbuffer.h?spec=svn5f8e557c557f55c18b01fe6600196e5a57358902&name=5f8e557c55&r=5f8e557c557f55c18b01fe6600196e5a57358902
Jan 14 06:00:07 <rwhitby> crimsonredmk: it may be 3g graphics too, I'm not sure
Jan 14 06:00:21 <anonymous2k12> just one last question
Jan 14 06:00:30 <anonymous2k12> does this  also come in a .pdf?
Jan 14 06:00:37 <rwhitby> crimsonredmk: but it appears in android kernels, so maybe search around that
Jan 14 06:00:40 <rwhitby> anonymous2k12: it does not
Jan 14 06:00:45 <anonymous2k12> no problem..
Jan 14 06:02:24 <rwhitby> crimsonredmk: looks like hw acceleration for adreno: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20006031&postcount=479
Jan 14 06:02:39 <crimsonredmk> thanks for all these links rwhitby :D
Jan 14 06:02:55 <rwhitby> crimsonredmk: that was from a google search for "yamato android kernel"
Jan 14 06:04:08 <crimsonredmk> ok thanks, i'll keep looking
Jan 14 06:04:13 <dwc-> from the name, and info mentioned above
Jan 14 06:04:24 <dwc-> dri.freedesktop.org
Jan 14 06:08:09 <anonymous2k12> Purchased!
Jan 14 06:08:18 <anonymous2k12> Thanks man!
Jan 14 06:09:40 <anonymous2k12> I hope when I click the launch button, this touchpad doesnt launch in air and fly to your house :)
Jan 14 06:14:58 <anonymous2k12> wow this is very nicely laid out!
Jan 14 06:29:35 <anonymous2k12> Thank you Rod. This was a lot more easier than I thought it would be. Great app.
Jan 14 06:30:07 <anonymous2k12> Take care everyone. I will now sign off
Jan 14 06:39:32 <error454> rwhitby: Are you speaking at OSCON again? I saw the invitation for speakers go out last week.
Jan 14 06:41:28 <rwhitby> not that I know of
Jan 14 06:42:25 <error454> I'm hoping HP will have some presence there
Jan 14 06:42:42 <error454> It seems like a good platform for the direction webOS is headed
Jan 14 06:42:52 <rwhitby> with the open sourcing of webOS you would expect so
Jan 14 06:43:49 <wrea> I might try making it this year
Jan 14 06:44:18 <error454> last year as my 1st attendance, I thoroughly enjoyed it, too many interesting classes
Jan 14 06:45:21 <wrea> It'll give me the excuse to go get pizza and doughnuts
Jan 14 06:46:08 <wrea> error454, where abouts in WA are you?
Jan 14 06:46:12 <crimsonredmk> yeah, i need yamato for Xorg to get aiglx and i can't find that anywhere :/
Jan 14 06:46:20 <error454> wrea: vancouver
Jan 14 06:46:36 <wrea> yeah, much closer than me :P
Jan 14 06:46:53 <error454> wrea: yeah the convention center is closer than my office
Jan 14 06:47:29 <wrea> now I want pizza
Jan 14 07:09:54 <wrea> this has got to be the fastest turnaround for releasing the source of a release
Jan 14 07:19:37 <ka6sox> wrea?
Jan 14 07:20:37 <wrea> usually takes a few days for them to release the source for the kernel, etc. Next day of release has been the fastest i've seen
Jan 14 07:21:15 <wrea> or im just not remembering right
Jan 14 07:21:26 <ka6sox> it is fast
Jan 14 07:25:00 <wrea> I wasnt expecting to find anything when I checked
Jan 14 10:14:43 <nathanhammond> Hey, I'd love to contribute to the WebOS Internals Wiki, but my current privs don't even allow editing of talk pages...
Jan 14 10:15:03 <nathanhammond> anybody on here able to sort that out for user "Nathanhammond" on the wiki?
Jan 14 10:16:04 <nathanhammond> (I've been doing some work on getting Avahi running on my 3.0.5 TouchPad and have some updates to the provided scripts which will make it accessible to more folks.)
Jan 14 10:26:00 <hewball> nathanhammond: there is a package for avahi you can install
Jan 14 10:26:11 <hewball> wrea got it all working
Jan 14 10:26:31 <nathanhammond> hewball: once the package installs there is still some configuration necessary
Jan 14 10:26:50 <nathanhammond> the upstart script that is currently on the wiki doesn't function.
Jan 14 10:27:31 <nathanhammond> PmConnectionManager doesn't run in any scenario I've scene on my TouchPad
Jan 14 10:27:39 <nathanhammond> *seen
Jan 14 10:27:59 <hewball> the one wrea got working in the feeds isnt reference in the wiki there i presume
Jan 14 10:28:15 <hewball> it installs to a different place too
Jan 14 10:28:32 <nathanhammond> I installed the one from the feeds,
Jan 14 10:28:54 <nathanhammond> however it never launches
Jan 14 10:29:03 <nathanhammond> so I was adding an upstart script. :)
Jan 14 10:29:21 <hewball> weird works fine for me, ive been using it as it came
Jan 14 10:29:28 <nathanhammond> additionally, it doesn't launch cleanly the first time
Jan 14 10:29:47 <nathanhammond> it always ends up with hostname-4.local for me.
Jan 14 10:30:02 <hewball> i get hptouchpad.lodal
Jan 14 10:30:24 <nathanhammond> hmm
Jan 14 10:30:36 <hewball> er local not lodal
Jan 14 10:30:42 <nathanhammond> *nods*
Jan 14 10:30:51 <nathanhammond> I wonder what is different in our setups... :)
Jan 14 10:31:22 <hewball> not sure i upgraded to 3.0.5 didnt break it either
Jan 14 10:32:08 <nathanhammond> well.
Jan 14 10:32:10 <nathanhammond> heh.
Jan 14 10:32:33 <hewball> speak to wrea he might be have an answer
Jan 14 10:33:40 <nathanhammond> yeah. in the mean time, do you know who has privs to the wiki?
Jan 14 10:34:17 <hewball> nah i dont
Jan 14 10:35:04 <nathanhammond> ah well, I figured I would try and reduce the work for somebody else who finds themselves in my situation.
Jan 14 11:02:11 <nathanhammond> hewball: I was doing everything command line, I just reinstalled preware and am going via the alpha feed preware install now. :)
Jan 14 11:02:20 <nathanhammond> seeing what happens.
Jan 14 11:04:23 <rwhitby> nathanhammond: what is your wiki username?
Jan 14 11:04:39 <nathanhammond> "Nathanhammond"
Jan 14 11:05:06 <rwhitby> now you have privs
Jan 14 11:05:26 <nathanhammond> (because apparently mediawiki likes to uppercase the first character of usernames)
Jan 14 11:05:39 <nathanhammond> (at least on output)
Jan 14 11:07:21 <nathanhammond> rwhitby: thanks!
Jan 14 11:09:06 <rwhitby> nathanhammond: the best thanks is to use those privs to improve the wiki, so thank you.
Jan 14 11:11:06 <hewball> who is best person to talk to, so i can get usb audio added to existing kernels?
Jan 14 11:16:03 <rwhitby> hewball: best thing to do is a pull request on github
Jan 14 11:42:49 <nathanhammond> part two, now that I have a happily mDNSed TouchPad on my network, I'm poking around in the com.palm.app.clock files to see if I can figure out why alarms from the clock app isn't respecting the "When Sounds is Muted" preference. (it won't make audible alarms with muted sounds)
Jan 14 11:44:01 <nathanhammond> this is my first time messing around on a TouchPad (though I'm no stranger to JS/linux) so any hints (even in the form of a link to a friendly manual) would be wonderful.
Jan 14 13:46:54 <YeahRight> is it safe to update to webos 3.0.5 yet? whats the right procedure?
Jan 14 15:29:30 <jelatta> ls
Jan 14 15:45:50 <chandoo> hi
Jan 14 15:46:32 <chandoo> i had update on my touchpad 3.0.5.86, can i go and update it, i am using preware and its patches will they work after update
Jan 14 15:46:42 <chandoo> or hold the update for sometime?
Jan 14 17:14:23 <RocketSnail> When running meta-doctor on my touchpad for installing ubuntuchroot, meta-doctor hangs at 12%.  When I type [dosfsck -r /dev/mapper/store-media] into novaterm (when the meta doctor is still pe
Jan 14 17:14:55 <RocketSnail> open), it really doesnt do anything but reply with this: /dev/mapper/store-media: 2602 files, 369485/1671885 clusters
Jan 14 17:14:58 <RocketSnail> any ideas?
Jan 14 17:15:30 <RocketSnail> i was following advice at http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/295881-webos-doctor-12-issue-fixed.html
Jan 14 17:22:07 <summatusmentis> Brybry: I couldn't get the entire external keyboard to work
Jan 14 17:45:59 <RagingMind> any guesses on what source we'll wind up seeing? just the 3.x tablet branch? or 2.x phone stuff too?
Jan 14 17:47:20 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping all of it
Jan 14 17:49:03 <summatusmentis> my guess is that 3.x will be first, and possiby the only thing
Jan 14 17:49:12 <summatusmentis> but I'm hoping we get all of it
Jan 14 20:31:00 <RocketSnail> should USB (media) be the only partition on a touchpad?
Jan 14 20:31:32 <RocketSnail> Or should there be User (ext3) and the media partition?
Jan 14 20:51:27 <resistivecorpse> has the Tailor app migrated out of the alpha feeds? i just enabled them to install it but its not showing up
Jan 14 20:53:40 <dwc-> beta
Jan 14 20:54:16 <resistivecorpse> ok, thanks. im enabling beta feeds now
Jan 14 20:55:58 <resistivecorpse> got tailor. thanks dwc-
Jan 14 21:32:12 <wrea> hmm
Jan 14 21:32:41 <wrea> It's supposedly to snow between today and Wednesday
Jan 14 21:45:01 <Boopop> Helloo, I take it I should uninstall uberkernel and patches before I update my TP?
Jan 14 21:48:37 <RocketSnail> can I install debian chroot also onto my touchpad if I already have ubuntuchroot?
Jan 14 21:51:36 <rwhitby> yes
Jan 14 21:52:33 <RocketSnail> Okay, so I just need to get debian chroot from preware, open it up in executa and I'm in business?
Jan 14 22:00:41 <RocketSnail> or do i need to somehow make a new ext3fs partition?
Jan 14 22:02:31 <rwhitby> just install it
Jan 14 22:03:26 <RocketSnail> okay thank you sir
Jan 14 22:04:09 <Boopop>  I take it I should uninstall uberkernel and patches before I update my TP?+
Jan 14 22:06:14 <RocketSnail> Absolutely uninstall patches,
Jan 14 22:06:27 <RocketSnail> I would uninstall uberkenal AND govnah to be safe.
Jan 14 22:09:06 <bhuey> folks
Jan 14 22:31:14 <nathanhammond> can anybody confirm that the Clock app's "When Sounds is Muted" preference is set to "Play Alarm Sound" that their TouchPad (on 3.0.4 or 3.0.5) (with muted sounds) does not play audio?
Jan 14 22:31:41 <nathanhammond> I'm trying to figure out if this is a general bug, or something unique about my device.
Jan 14 22:40:51 <nathanhammond> I've trimmed down a log that shows everything that is happening, it all appears to be correct:
Jan 14 22:40:52 <nathanhammond> http://www.pastie.org/pastes/3186335/text
Jan 14 22:42:08 <nathanhammond> the control flow seems fine, the correct things are being called in terms of branching, but no audio output (and we're getting into the lower-level pulseaudio world that I know nothing about)
Jan 14 22:47:04 <nathanhammond> the only thing that stands out in that log to me is "audiod: _pulseStatus: sink 1-notifications opened (stream 1). Volume: 0, Headset: 0, Route: 0, Streams: 1. which might imply that it is not properly overriding the volume.
Jan 14 23:02:37 <wrea> hmm, gf texted an hour ago saying it was snowing where she works
Jan 14 23:25:00 <resistivecorpse> ive just installed internalz filebrowser on my touchpad and its organizing the files in decending order(z to a) and i dont see anything in preferences to change that. am i missing something?
Jan 14 23:44:55 <dwc-> try tapping on the column headers
Jan 14 23:48:16 <chandoo> hi
Jan 14 23:48:30 <chandoo> installed 3.0.5.86 in my touchpad
Jan 14 23:48:43 <chandoo> i dont see lot of patches i installed from preware
Jan 14 23:49:21 <chandoo> for example browse buttons, luna restart menu
Jan 14 23:59:46 <Brybry> summatusmentis: tape on the terminal area and see if that fixes it for you
Jan 14 23:59:49 <Brybry> tap*
Jan 15 00:00:05 <Brybry> lol don't put tape on your touchpad :D
Jan 15 00:09:15 <resistivecorpse> dwc-: thanks again :)
Jan 15 00:10:02 <resistivecorpse> chandoo: i couldnt find the luna restart menu patch either. i assume its because it hasnt been updated for 3.0.5 yet maybe
Jan 15 00:12:42 <chandoo> resistivecorpse:- yes may be developer need to update to work with 3.0.5.86
Jan 15 00:13:19 <resistivecorpse> thats my guess. i was sad not to be able to install that, as its one of my favorite patches
Jan 15 00:17:15 <chandoo> yes favourite for most
Jan 15 00:17:34 <chandoo> i also like browse buttons
Jan 15 00:18:25 <chandoo> okay lets wait for them to update the patches
Jan 15 00:18:37 <chandoo> i dont even see the patch category in pre
Jan 15 00:26:25 <chandoo> resistivecorpse:- anything interesting to play with
Jan 15 00:27:28 <resistivecorpse> i dont really know, im only going thru all the patching again cuz i had to wipe and rebuild my partitions by hand so that i could install android again :)
Jan 15 00:29:38 <chandoo> resistivecorpse:- i dont have android , i am waiting for ics
Jan 15 00:30:40 <resistivecorpse> im looking forward to ICS but have been using cm7 since its first release(however im not sure this is the right chan to discuss that...)
Jan 15 00:45:36 <rwhitby> resistivecorpse: it is not
Jan 15 00:46:09 <resistivecorpse> i know, hence my attempt to kill the convo about it
Jan 15 00:46:18 <rwhitby> thx
Jan 15 00:46:55 <resistivecorpse> but i must give a huge thanks to whoever created the rebuilding partitions guide. that saved my touchpad from a total brick
Jan 15 00:47:15 <rwhitby> you're welcome
Jan 15 00:47:34 <resistivecorpse> you rock rwhitby!
Jan 15 00:49:18 <resistivecorpse> i did have issues running the doc afterwards, kept saying my media partition was corrupted(8% error) until i tried the 3.0.0 webos doc, then it went smoothly
Jan 15 01:22:36 <bogbeast> hi
Jan 15 01:57:29 <PatrickC> just built a sprint pre2, and now im getting the battery question mark symbol for when the battery is bad
Jan 15 01:57:34 <PatrickC> i know the battery is not bad
Jan 15 01:59:10 <PatrickC> not sure what i did wrong. followed the wiki page to the letter. and the last sprint pre2 i built went fine
Jan 15 01:59:15 <PatrickC> never seen this before
Jan 15 02:39:25 <PatrickC> and its fixed
Jan 15 02:39:30 <PatrickC> not sure what happened
Jan 15 02:39:49 <halfhalo> dead battery?
Jan 15 02:39:53 <PatrickC> nopwe
Jan 15 02:39:54 <PatrickC> nope*
Jan 15 02:40:02 <halfhalo> are you sure....
Jan 15 02:40:04 <PatrickC> tried with 3 different fully charged batterys
Jan 15 02:40:21 <PatrickC> that worked in other webOS devices
Jan 15 02:42:08 <PatrickC> hmm... but not progressing past 8Z%
Jan 15 02:42:10 <PatrickC> 8%*
Jan 15 02:45:39 <PatrickC> and we passed 8%!
Jan 15 02:52:29 <PatrickC> hey mpingu! long time no see
Jan 15 02:54:24 <PatrickC> i love preware bootstrap :)
Jan 15 02:56:10 <PatrickC> wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/preware-bootstrap.sh (i get a bad address "gitorious.org"
Jan 15 02:56:38 <rwhitby> what do you think your next debugging step would be?
Jan 15 02:57:03 <PatrickC> wait till the phone finishes booting.. i was getting ahead of myself :)
Jan 15 02:57:24 <PatrickC> anxious to get this phone working. ive been working on this phone for the past like 5-6 hours
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