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Jan 18 03:13:50 <RagingMind> so if anyone is wondering how to rename their current pictures to match the patches by jason robitaille in gthumb the string is "CIMG_%M{%Y-%m-%d_%H%M%S}%E"
Jan 18 03:58:16 <lebem> Anyone around who can help me prevent the fake 2.1.0 update from installing and screwing up Maps in my Pre2?
Jan 18 04:01:05 <dwc-> install 2.2.4?
Jan 18 04:02:58 <lebem> Unfortunately, not available OTA for Verizon yet, and I'd rather not doctor if I don't have to.
Jan 18 04:03:14 <lebem> or in this case meta-doctor.
Jan 18 04:03:34 <RagingMind> what would happen to your maps?
Jan 18 04:07:09 <lebem> Fake update reinstalls the old Google Maps app along side the Bing based maps. webOS doesn't like there being two "Maps" apps, and reverts back to the no longer usable google maps leaving you with no functioning maps app. There's a legISLation forum threa
Jan 18 04:07:10 <lebem> d on the problem.
Jan 18 04:07:44 <lebem> damn auto-correct. "webosnation" forum thread...
Jan 18 04:08:14 <dwc-> you can disable updates
Jan 18 04:08:26 <dwc-> (non-permanent, you can turn it back on later)
Jan 18 04:09:46 <lebem> I could live with that (at least until Verizon approves the 2.2.4 update)
Jan 18 04:09:49 <dwc-> I think you can also test a meta-doctor 2.2.4 onto the pre2
Jan 18 04:10:23 <dwc-> chmod -x /usr/bin/UpdateDaemon and OmaDm and reboot
Jan 18 04:10:49 <dwc-> (or just kill them)
Jan 18 04:11:30 <lebem> and what would be the command line to re-enable?
Jan 18 04:12:09 <dwc-> +x
Jan 18 04:12:58 <lebem> crap... should have remembered that. just removing and re-adding the execution permissions. Got it, thanks.
Jan 18 04:15:43 <dwc-> np
Jan 18 04:21:43 <resistivecorpse> is the webos doctor open source?
Jan 18 04:22:02 <dwc-> no
Jan 18 04:22:08 <resistivecorpse> darn :(
Jan 18 04:22:27 <resistivecorpse> will it become open source when webos source drops?
Jan 18 04:22:38 <dwc-> that has not been stated
Jan 18 04:22:45 <resistivecorpse> ah, ok. thanks
Jan 18 04:47:41 <bhuey> lebem: http://www.qualcomm.com/media/documents/snapdragon-msm8x60-apq8060-product-brief
Jan 18 04:50:10 <bhuey> http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/02/qualcomms-1-5ghz-dual-core-msm8660-destroys-the-competition-in/
Jan 18 05:22:40 <rwhitby> WebOS Internals joins Wikipedia in a 24h blackout against SOPA and PIPA: http://www.webos-internals.org
Jan 18 05:26:56 <wrea> :)
Jan 18 05:31:02 <Loudergood> that's great
Jan 18 05:31:19 * Loudergood played with the flashlight for like 5 minutes
Jan 18 05:31:32 * PatrickC did too
Jan 18 05:38:50 <wrea> osnews put up one today, i played with the flashlight then
Jan 18 05:51:21 <PatrickC> had no clue PIPA was that bad...
Jan 18 05:53:52 <dwc-> the ends aren't bad... the means is questionable
Jan 18 05:55:40 <ka6sox> something about "Due Process" doesn't seem to be in these bills.
Jan 18 05:59:33 <Loudergood> yeah that's what  concerns me
Jan 18 06:07:58 * dwc- wonders how many of the SOPA/PIPA protestors would be willing to pledge not to pirate stuff
Jan 18 06:09:41 <jrabbit> loooool
Jan 18 06:11:01 <wrea> 0.001%
Jan 18 06:11:18 <wrea> but probably closer to 0.000001%
Jan 18 06:14:02 <almex> probably the same number of media companies who would pledge to not blame the internet for dwindling profits
Jan 18 06:14:50 <almex> jack and jill would have made 100s of millions if it weren't for piracy
Jan 18 07:45:14 <bhuey> hey
Jan 18 07:45:24 * bhuey is still remarkably online
Jan 18 07:53:19 <ka6sox> ta da!
Jan 18 08:22:04 <kugel> Hello. I have a problem with my bt keyboard: It doesn't detect its qwertz layout and uses qwerty instead
Jan 18 08:39:20 <madnificent> kugel: it probably comes with the language setting of your touchpad itself.  keyboards (the physical thing) don't know their own character mapping.
Jan 18 08:39:45 <kugel> madnificent: its set to German. the onscreen kb is german as well
Jan 18 08:39:51 <kugel> (fwiw, android has the same problem)
Jan 18 08:41:39 <madnificent> kugel: i've never gotten my hands on a touchpad, i can't tell you more, sorry
Jan 18 08:46:22 <cerjam> so
Jan 18 08:46:38 <cerjam> i dont have data on my plan and i wnat to upgrade my pre plus to webos 2.whatever
Jan 18 08:46:46 <cerjam> how do i do it without having to reactivate a profile or whaever
Jan 18 08:51:16 <rwhitby> doctor
Jan 18 08:51:34 <RichT23> Morning
Jan 18 10:09:36 <bhuey> folks
Jan 18 10:09:47 <bhuey> ARMv7 assembler crash course is a bit rough
Jan 18 10:16:06 <ka6sox> what, you dont like r0-r31 and keeping them all straight?
Jan 18 10:26:14 <bhuey> more like the atomic ops and stuff
Jan 18 10:47:02 <resistive|zzzz> does webos doctor clear out /boot and restore it to factory?
Jan 18 10:48:20 <resistive|zzzz> as in will it remove uImages related to archlinux or arndroid?
Jan 18 12:05:34 <rwhitby> yes
Jan 18 12:07:54 <resistive|zzzz> rwhitby: thanks, thats what i thought but wanted confirmation before passing that on to others
Jan 18 12:09:29 <resistive|zzzz> btw, fun seeing you in the crazy people's room ;)
Jan 18 12:28:02 <Guest66121> Hi all, got a questiopn is there a way to Luna-send, as root on a device to palm://com.palm.messaging/
Jan 18 12:28:05 <Guest66121> ?
Jan 18 12:30:36 <Guest66121> I keep getting "Not permitted to send to ... " error so wondered if there is a way around it
Jan 18 12:52:44 <Guest66121> any help guys?
Jan 18 12:53:24 <xaios> Post out your question, someone may see it later, it is much more useful than just simply asking to ask a question.
Jan 18 12:55:33 <Guest66121> I already posted it... but here it is again. :).... is there a way to Luna-send, as root on a device to palm://com.palm.messaging/?  basically I keep getting the "Not permitted to send to..." Error, so want to know if there is a work around.
Jan 18 12:58:13 <xaios> I'm not expert, but I can google, I'm assuming you've already seen all the documentation on the wiki for it yeah?
Jan 18 13:01:18 <kugel> Hello. I have a problem with my bt keyboard: It doesn't detect its qwertz layout and uses qwerty instead
Jan 18 13:02:16 <Guest66121> by it I take ity you mean luna-send? if so then yeah, I googled and all I've come up with is that it was possible in1.4.5 and older webOS versions but isn't accessible in 2.0 =/.
Jan 18 13:02:36 <Guest66121> by it, i take it you mean***
Jan 18 13:06:31 <btPatch> hi, there are no patches for 3.0.5 in Preware yet, are there any information on this issue?
Jan 18 13:14:09 <cryptk> btPatch, https://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/159572533971140608
Jan 18 13:14:33 <cryptk> btPatch, http://www.webosnation.com/webos-3-0-5-update-makes-future-built-in-app-updates-more-flexible
Jan 18 13:14:51 <cryptk> that last link, check out the last paragraph
Jan 18 13:16:58 <btPatch> thanks, I missed that part somehow I guess
Jan 18 13:18:09 <btPatch> another question is there a download for the current webos files: I need the JS files for Bluetooth communication, but don't have my TP around...
Jan 18 13:22:20 <cryptk> you can get them out of the doctor jar file
Jan 18 13:37:55 <btPatch> thanks cryptk
Jan 18 13:41:42 <cryptk> np
Jan 18 14:33:00 <jhempfe> hi i look for the "battery icon as Percent" patch. Who can help me? i can't find it.
Jan 18 16:06:54 <RagingMind> I know it's already posted all over the place, but maybe there could be one blank patch posted to 3.0.5 with a short explanation of the patch situation and a link do that one summary on webosnation forum?  the pessimist in me tells me that people will still "not get it" :(
Jan 18 16:16:26 <cryptk> RagingMind, the problem there is that because of the way the builder and the repos work, along with the patch-portal, once a patch go's in, it is difficult to get it out
Jan 18 16:16:57 <RagingMind> ah, boo
Jan 18 16:17:09 <cryptk> there are git repos to deal with, repositories (multiple of them, we have 4 including mirrors), the patch portal has it's own git repo, plus database parts that track everything as it go's through the aproval process
Jan 18 16:17:19 <cryptk> last time I purged a patch, it took me almost 2 hours
Jan 18 16:17:27 <RagingMind> ouch
Jan 18 16:17:35 <cryptk> and I broke the patch portal in the process and had to fix that, which took another hour
Jan 18 16:18:01 <cryptk> so, to save me from pulling out my hair, people can google ;)
Jan 18 16:21:03 <RagingMind> I'm in here quite a bit, I check webosroundup and webosnation, I follow webosinternals on twitter... but there are still times that I miss situation changes like patches with 3.0.5, so I can't really hold it against people for not knowing and wanting to ask.
Jan 18 16:21:20 <RagingMind> yup... we don't need a bald and bleeding cryptk
Jan 18 16:21:36 <cryptk> haha
Jan 18 16:21:58 <cryptk> if I have to go to the hospital, and the servers break... then there is one less person to fix them
Jan 18 16:22:37 <RagingMind> but it is frustrating for both users that think they are doing everything right and are still lost, and for people in here for constantly having to explain the same thing
Jan 18 16:22:43 <cryptk> and I am probably the person who knows the most about all of the systems combined (rwhitby may have me beat there, and he definitely does on the auto-builder)
Jan 18 16:24:03 <cryptk> infobot patches-305 is patches for webOS 3.0.5 are currently not available due to changes with where palm official packages are installed to, we are working on a new version of AUPT called AUSMT to account for this.
Jan 18 16:24:03 <infobot> cryptk: okay
Jan 18 16:24:09 <cryptk> ~patches-305
Jan 18 16:24:09 <infobot> rumour has it, patches-305 is patches for webOS 3.0.5 are currently not available due to changes with where palm official packages are installed to, we are working on a new version of AUPT called AUSMT to account for this.
Jan 18 16:24:13 <cryptk> RagingMind, hows that?
Jan 18 16:24:32 <RagingMind> heh.  I always forget about infobot
Jan 18 16:34:38 <RagingMind> I guess besides the blank patch thing, my real suggestion is somehow getting the pertinent information/announcement into preware itself, because that's what the user has directly in front of them when they run into the issue
Jan 18 16:35:59 <RagingMind> a preware motd-ish thing with a big honking alert icon when expected functionality is disrupted/broken?
Jan 18 17:06:20 <dwc-> an app package might work instead of a patch
Jan 18 17:10:59 <cryptk> dwc-, app packages, while easier to remove from the feeds, still come with their own can of worms
Jan 18 17:11:11 <cryptk> anyway, gotta run
Jan 18 17:29:39 <Guest66121> does any one here know if there are any legalities/copyrights to making a commercial app (.net based) that uses the devmode and luna-send?
Jan 18 17:54:42 <GNUtoo> Guest66121, mono runs on webos?
Jan 18 18:04:02 <Guest66121> GNUtoo: no I'm making a mono/.net based application to run on the pc, but it will interface to webOS via NovaCom and Luna-send to get some info.
Jan 18 18:04:25 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 18 18:04:46 <Guest66121> or at least I don't think it does... I haven't actually looked into it.
Jan 18 18:35:51 <directhex> Guest44507, using system.diagnostics.process?
Jan 18 18:36:03 <directhex> er, Guest66121
Jan 18 18:51:32 <EQO> Hola
Jan 18 18:52:41 <EQO> hello somebody knows how to configure the carrierdb.json for hp veer
Jan 18 18:54:12 <EQO> hello somebody knows how to configure the carrierdb.json for hp veer
Jan 18 19:10:19 <copystring> hi, i've installed samba through ipkg-opt and followed the tutorial here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Samba_Access . works all well and good apart from the last part about the upstart script. i'm using a touchpad and rebooted it several times and no success. any ideas how to make samba start automatically?
Jan 18 19:23:38 <EQO> hola alguien habla español
Jan 18 19:24:10 <Mousey> woo!
Jan 18 19:24:15 <Mousey> omw to LA!
Jan 18 19:25:33 <Mousey> oops
Jan 18 19:25:39 <Mousey> infobot: asl
Jan 18 19:25:39 <infobot> Old enough, yes please, my place.
Jan 18 19:29:27 <EQO> Alguien que hable español
Jan 18 19:29:34 <EQO> alguien que hable español
Jan 18 19:29:56 <dwc-> mmm, smog time?
Jan 18 19:30:19 <EQO> Alguien sabe español
Jan 18 19:40:45 <EQO> hello somebody knows how to configure the carrierdb.json for hp veer
Jan 18 20:37:19 <Boopop> Do I need to uninstall "Linux Applications" before I update to 3.0.5 on my TP?
Jan 18 20:37:35 <Boopop> I have a service and 3 "Unknowns" too
Jan 18 20:37:52 <Boopop> those being "clock", "network drives" and "enyo calculator application"
Jan 18 20:38:30 <EricBlade1> umm.. trying to do a memboot.. apparently the "boot" command is no longer supported by novacom?
Jan 18 20:40:05 <dwc-> Boopop: no
Jan 18 20:40:30 <Boopop> So as long as there aren't any patches installed I'm good to update dwc- ?
Jan 18 20:40:56 <dwc-> yep
Jan 18 20:41:02 <Boopop> Excellent, thanks :)
Jan 18 20:41:10 <Boopop> Just wanted to make sure
Jan 18 20:49:02 <EricBlade1> "novacom boot mem:// < file" "unknown command"
Jan 18 20:49:29 <Boopop> Wish I could help :(
Jan 18 20:51:57 <ka6sox-away> EricBlade1, what are you using to guide you thru this?
Jan 18 20:53:08 <EricBlade1> well specifically using the webosinternals wiki page on membooting.
Jan 18 20:53:42 <ka6sox-away> is that the *exact* command you are using?
Jan 18 20:56:31 <dwc-> (and exact error)
Jan 18 20:56:36 <madnificent> the "System Control Optimization" patch requires a novacom restart, shouldn't that either be a full reboot, or no restart at all (the latter if it were using sysctl)?
Jan 18 20:59:07 <EricBlade1> file is replaced with the actual filename i'm trying to boot, and that is the exact error message
Jan 18 20:59:20 <EricBlade1> the 3.0.5 novacom does not list "boot' amongst it's help
Jan 18 20:59:42 <Boopop> Wow it takes ages to boot after the update 0.o
Jan 18 21:01:19 <Boopop> I take it that's normal?
Jan 18 21:01:41 <EricBlade1> seems pretty normal
Jan 18 21:01:45 <Boopop> Ah there we go
Jan 18 21:02:39 <Boopop> I wonder if it's kiboshed my android install...
Jan 18 21:03:31 <Boopop> No it hans't :)
Jan 18 21:03:37 <Boopop> hasn't* even
Jan 18 21:04:14 <EricBlade1> ah, have to put the device into recovery mode otherwise it comes up unknown command
Jan 18 21:05:55 <EricBlade1> hooray i broke it! lol
Jan 18 21:34:04 <EricBlade1> hmm. according to the doctor backup restore, my pre 2 is running 2.2.0
Jan 18 23:52:11 <krushia> thanks for the message on the web site
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