**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 22 02:59:57 2012 Jan 22 03:00:43 well thanks for all the help Jan 22 03:00:59 bye Jan 22 03:44:02 LarrySteeze: if jsaliby93 comes back, you can see if the device even registers itself with lsusb or dmesg Jan 22 04:42:40 shot in the dark, anyone got a Kindle Fire? Jan 22 05:11:15 no you can't put webos on it Jan 22 05:31:56 LOL I wasn't looking to put webOS on it, I want the Epicurious app off it for my TouchPad Jan 22 06:01:32 been searching the forums and no luck, can anyone provide a link to a govnah touchpad incidental profiles explanation? Awesome! Jan 22 06:17:44 Kaerey: dunno but I'd guess not Jan 22 06:18:40 fire runs a customized version of android Jan 22 06:24:08 folks Jan 22 06:24:14 * bhuey made to San Diego Jan 22 06:24:17 long drive Jan 22 06:34:39 hey Jan 22 15:40:28 howdie howdie! Jan 22 15:41:31 was hoping someone could point me in the right direction for developing webOS apps Jan 22 15:42:47 not really sure where to start. i've developed some android apps, but it's kind of built into dreamweaver, so i'm not sure where to start with webOS Jan 22 15:42:48 homebrew or app catalog aimed? Jan 22 15:43:07 it could potentially be app catalog, but i'm going to start with homebrew Jan 22 15:43:25 some friends of mine and I are working hard at a proper netflix app Jan 22 15:43:27 this is more of the homebrew channel with more regular devs hanging out in #webos (there's a LOT of overlap in people though) Jan 22 15:43:48 if you made a netflix app I'd love you forever Jan 22 15:44:00 we'll we're working on it, lol Jan 22 15:44:59 we've broken down the android version Jan 22 15:45:28 now we are trying to apply the code to something with webOS compatibility Jan 22 18:10:19 Good morning everyone Jan 22 20:25:39 When I try to install a theme on my Touchpad it says it's already installed when I don't have any themes installed on my Touchpad. Jan 22 21:17:20 Is there a keyboard shortcut to change the System Volume on the Pre? Such as a patch that will allow you to hold the Orange button and use the volume keys to do it? Jan 22 21:17:30 s/keys/buttons/ Jan 22 21:17:31 mischko meant: Is there a keyboard shortcut to change the System Volume on the Pre? Such as a patch that will allow you to hold the Orange button and use the volume buttons to do it? Jan 22 21:17:56 infobot, thank you. Jan 22 21:17:56 mischko: pas de quoi Jan 22 21:23:24 LarrySteeze: it could well be the port at fault Jan 22 21:27:45 rwhitby: eh? Jan 22 21:28:11 i didn't say anything...just sat down :P Jan 22 21:28:36 LarrySteeze: 13:15:30> I've come to the conclusion that his microusb port on his touchpad somehow korked itself...but rwhitby (who isn't around) seems to think otherwise Jan 22 21:29:07 woah...delayed reaction? lol Jan 22 21:29:42 rwhitby: I tend to lean towards if you and I have differing opinions when it comes to hardware *or* software, that you're generally the one who is correct. Jan 22 21:33:05 LarrySteeze: in this case, I was making the user not assume hardware when all he had to debug with was windows Jan 22 21:33:57 gotcha. Eventually, we got ubuntu installed, and he seemed to be continuing to have issues Jan 22 21:34:18 though I wasn't able to give him as much attention by that point and he left the room a bit prematurely Jan 22 21:34:45 Anyone have directions on where to go to learn to make such a patch (hold Orange button and use volume buttons to change System volume instead of Ringer volume)? Jan 22 21:40:20 Any good books on this out there? Jan 22 21:41:42 read the linux documentation for diff(1) and patch(1) Jan 22 21:42:21 diff an patch are easy enough. Where to learn about WebOS and what to actually change? Jan 22 21:45:01 for reference, you could use the hardware volume button function Jan 22 21:45:25 so far, I've mostly used grep(1) Jan 22 21:48:50 Is Enyo the docs to read up on? https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo.html ? Jan 22 21:53:06 mischko: there are no books about the internals of webOS (which up until recently, was a closed proprietary OS) Jan 22 21:54:29 So the patch authors did "May the Source be with you". Jan 22 21:55:19 rwhitby: it's still closed source Jan 22 21:56:06 So a patch like I'd like to make is not currently possible? Jan 22 21:56:43 kugel: well, the binaries that are currently released are closed source. The OS (as a concept) is now open source. Jan 22 21:57:05 of course open source is not open source until open source is published Jan 22 21:57:26 mischko: exactly Jan 22 21:57:34 there's nothing more than a announcement Jan 22 21:57:43 kugel: that is correct Jan 22 21:58:04 kugel: which is better than no announcement Jan 22 21:58:09 What a shame to see WebOS going this way. It's such a GREAT product. Jan 22 21:58:21 but it doesnt make it open source Jan 22 21:58:30 kugel: that is correct Jan 22 21:58:59 all that has happened so far is an announcement to "open source" webOS at some point in the future, with all details not yet announced. Jan 22 21:58:59 it's on it's way to being open source though Jan 22 22:00:32 kugel: for example, Android gingerbread was not open source for some time, since the source was not released. Jan 22 22:00:36 So the screen that you adjust the Ringtone and System volume. That's HTML/Javascript and source is available for it, right? Jan 22 22:00:53 i.e. figuring out what function to call would be easy. Jan 22 22:00:56 I'd say honeycomb was a bigger offender for longer Jan 22 22:01:01 ... to adjust the System volume. Jan 22 22:01:10 LarrySteeze: sorry, s/gingerbread/honeycomb/ Jan 22 22:01:29 mischko: yes, HTML and Javascript is available and readable. it's not open source (yet) Jan 22 22:01:41 rwhitby, yes but it's patchable. Jan 22 22:01:47 yes Jan 22 22:02:01 But there is probably an OS-layer event listener that does the work when the hardware buttons are pushed and we can't patch that. Jan 22 22:03:54 yet Jan 22 22:04:35 So a patch to the top-right menu is possible that would allow you to do that (provided you can put a slider in that menu). Jan 22 22:05:42 you can...but even if you couldn't, you could always make an "up" and a "down" button Jan 22 22:06:03 I wonder if anyone's already made such a menu patch? Jan 22 22:06:21 I don't know that i've seen anyone make a slider, but they're present in the touchpad Jan 22 22:06:46 slider is present in the original code in the Palm Pre on the Sounds & Ringtones screen. Jan 22 22:06:49 mischko: have you perused all the existing patches? Jan 22 22:07:01 I searched Preware patches for the word volume. Jan 22 22:07:09 mischko: I meant in the menu Jan 22 22:07:14 mischko: https://github.com/webos-internals/patches Jan 22 22:08:26 Not familiar with GitHub. I don't see a ready way to search? Jan 22 22:08:52 Do I have to check out the entire tree? Jan 22 22:14:35 mischko: http://help.github.com/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 23 02:59:57 2012