**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 24 02:59:57 2012 Jan 24 03:52:48 in ubuntu chroot, is the screen size supposed to change when i make the keyboard smaller? Jan 24 03:53:37 howdie howdie Jan 24 03:54:01 hi Jan 24 03:55:44 blacks, not yet afaik Jan 24 03:55:47 hello artichoku Jan 24 03:57:18 hey there patrick Jan 24 03:57:28 how r ya Jan 24 04:02:35 afaik? you mean afk? but hello Jan 24 04:04:42 "afaik" == as far as i know Jan 24 04:06:22 ^ Jan 24 04:06:38 http://www.webosroundup.com/2012/01/cyanogenmod-9-alpha-0-5-available-for-download/ (for those traitors who run ICS on their touchpads) :) Jan 24 04:08:17 ye i saw Jan 24 04:08:26 i'm not moving til the video works on cm9 Jan 24 04:08:41 i believe that video works, just not HD video Jan 24 04:08:50 but that talk is for #cyanogenmod-touchpad :) Jan 24 04:09:43 netflix don't work :( Jan 24 04:09:47 neither does youtube Jan 24 04:10:03 why do people even want to use 9 already Jan 24 04:10:10 it's just good looking. that's about it Jan 24 04:10:34 much, much faster Jan 24 04:13:01 a lot of the functionality just isn't there yet Jan 24 04:13:20 works perfectly for me Jan 24 04:14:30 so dualbooting works good on it ? Jan 24 04:14:38 in my experiences, yes Jan 24 04:16:27 i need to clear some space i guess Jan 24 04:18:04 oh no hw video Jan 24 04:18:14 according to readme Jan 24 04:27:16 how big is it Jan 24 04:27:19 dang no numbers anywhere Jan 24 04:27:45 well i'll wait, alpha still scares me :) Jan 24 05:10:29 Compn, its really actually pretty stable in my experiences Jan 24 05:13:43 PuffTheMagic: pinged you on Twitter, but: https://gist.github.com/1668119 0.3.4-1 failing Jan 24 05:17:25 abackstrom, i know who to blame for that Jan 24 05:17:27 fixing now Jan 24 05:28:14 abackstrom, fixed version will be in a feeds in a few min Jan 24 07:00:21 Before I go and hack something together, does anyone know how to enable auto-answer for incoming Skype calls on the touchpad? Jan 24 07:38:53 moin Jan 24 07:43:02 does the WebOS accounts support 2 touchpads? Jan 24 07:47:18 /join #cyanogenmod-touchpad Jan 24 07:51:20 Hewball: as many touchpads as you like, and one phone Jan 24 07:52:06 rwhitby: thats what i thought but wasnt sure, thanks :D Jan 24 07:52:27 make sure you don't go 9.9.9 on any of the touchpads though Jan 24 07:53:08 hey Jan 24 07:53:25 hey bhuey Jan 24 07:55:01 * bhuey is still looking for the mass of TPs left at HP so that he can build a real life replicate of Brasilla Jan 24 07:55:14 replicate=replica Jan 24 09:20:20 gah cant sign into my webos account Jan 24 09:54:54 cant create a new hp webos account or sign into one :| Jan 24 09:56:25 oh wow finally Jan 24 10:14:51 Hewball what was wrong ? Jan 24 10:22:00 it wouldnt let me sign into an account on a new device, but after an hour it let me create one Jan 24 10:30:57 hi, how does the preware openssh work Jan 24 10:31:06 more precisely I got that message: Jan 24 10:31:12 Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). Jan 24 10:31:25 so where should I add authorized_keys? Jan 24 10:32:12 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Jan 24 10:32:24 thanks Jan 24 10:32:35 chmod 700 ~/.ssh Jan 24 10:32:40 that's what I probably lack Jan 24 10:34:52 maybe I copied the wrong keys? Jan 24 10:35:08 else I could change to password auth Jan 24 10:37:55 ahhh wait a second Jan 24 10:37:59 the key is broken Jan 24 10:38:04 it don't contain the comment Jan 24 10:39:56 hmmm no Jan 24 10:39:58 still Jan 24 10:45:57 Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /var/home/root Jan 24 10:45:58 hmmm Jan 24 10:47:11 now it works Jan 24 10:47:42 I did chmod 700 to /var/home/root/ Jan 24 22:51:28 any1 can help me Jan 24 22:51:50 ask your question first Jan 24 22:51:52 im tryin to make emulators work Jan 24 22:53:18 its like im running into a wall im tryin 2 put them on my pre Jan 24 22:59:07 "emulators" Jan 24 22:59:16 need to be a little more descriptive than that Jan 24 23:01:17 i wanna install a gameboy advance emlator on my pre Jan 24 23:01:26 pre palm Jan 24 23:02:09 describe what you're doing, and what the problems are Jan 24 23:02:39 btw, there's a port of vba to webos already Jan 24 23:03:28 wat is it called Jan 24 23:04:13 somewhat unintuitively... "visualboyadvance" Jan 24 23:04:41 is it in the app store? Jan 24 23:05:16 yep Jan 24 23:12:56 i found it well it cost 5 dollars so ill get it wen i get aid Jan 24 23:14:59 read the package desc Jan 24 23:15:16 if you want it (legitimately) for cheaper Jan 24 23:17:39 ok Jan 24 23:19:34 * rwhitby resists the urge to say "swiper: no swiping" Jan 24 23:19:43 lol Jan 24 23:19:51 maybe he likes deleting stuff in webos Jan 24 23:21:11 * dwc- used to have a bunch of hosts on the /17 next to swiper's isp Jan 24 23:21:45 really Jan 24 23:22:16 hurricane electric has the /17 above yours... 216.218.128/17 Jan 24 23:23:19 do u know how to make themes Jan 24 23:23:38 yes, read the Theme Manager thread on webOSNation Jan 24 23:25:11 i only see theme downloads Jan 24 23:30:00 rwhitby: I hate to tell you, I had a dream about you yesterday. Jan 24 23:30:26 * rwhitby backs away slowly Jan 24 23:30:31 lol Jan 24 23:30:44 you came and took away my touchpad 3g Jan 24 23:31:06 which, by the way, is turning out to actually *BE* bad build quality Jan 24 23:31:23 the glass isn't sealed in all of the way Jan 24 23:33:20 and it's really starting to have a crack problem o.o Jan 24 23:33:45 larrysteeze: odd. that must not match rod's vision of adoring fans dreaming about him Jan 24 23:34:10 lol Jan 24 23:34:50 I think it only ooccured because he tried to trade me a 32gb tp for it :-\ Jan 24 23:39:37 an unopened crack-free 32GB TP Jan 24 23:44:00 heh Jan 24 23:45:04 I still have yet to test if the sim slot actually works Jan 24 23:45:15 or rather whether data actually works Jan 24 23:45:20 it did recognize a dead sim Jan 24 23:45:32 mine came unlocked out of the box :D Jan 24 23:45:51 it would not appear this is locked Jan 24 23:46:27 but if it doesn't work, this is going directly back to HP. build quality on it is terrible Jan 24 23:47:13 why back to HP? rwhitby will give you a new one Jan 24 23:47:17 s/give/trade/ Jan 24 23:48:09 he would have no use for a TP that doesn't work Jan 24 23:48:18 or rather that the sim doesn't work Jan 24 23:48:25 * rwhitby thinks otherwise Jan 24 23:48:40 * PatrickC_Away is gonna send WOSI a broken pre3 soon Jan 24 23:48:48 he needs more to build his fort with Jan 24 23:48:58 well yeah...broken devices given to wosi for free are one thing Jan 24 23:49:09 :) Jan 24 23:49:25 but ... what use would you have for it if the sim wasn't working? Jan 24 23:50:07 it'd be exactly the same as any other TP except that it has a sim slot Jan 24 23:50:35 as a decoration...the software wouldn't be supporting of it Jan 25 00:03:45 so... what device (sold with a different os, like android) do people thing will be the first thing running webos after the source comes out? Jan 25 00:04:11 Evo 3D? Jan 25 00:04:15 atari 1600 Jan 25 00:04:20 since webOS was already running on it :) Jan 25 00:08:09 whichever requires the fewest tweaks to make running Jan 25 00:08:59 ka6sox-away, will u be on later? Jan 25 00:10:17 PatrickC_Away, yup Jan 25 00:10:21 ok cool Jan 25 00:10:25 gotta get something from you Jan 25 00:10:26 bbl Jan 25 00:10:42 uh oh.... Jan 25 00:11:08 is it just me or is the GPS on the TP4G a little off ? Jan 25 00:21:02 ka6sox-away: its a good thing. don't worry Jan 25 00:57:06 i ipdated to 3.0.5 Jan 25 00:57:21 and my web browser is lower Jan 25 01:03:05 well, raise it back up Jan 25 01:09:31 argh Jan 25 01:09:37 the wget version in preware is ancient Jan 25 01:09:43 its so old it doesnt have the status bar Jan 25 01:09:58 i spent like 5 retries of typing out some huge url (due to copy paste not working) Jan 25 01:13:23 there's wget in preware? Jan 25 01:13:31 yep Jan 25 01:13:46 for touchpad anyhow Jan 25 01:14:03 got an up arrow? you can edit the previous line Jan 25 01:14:25 url changed eeach time since i was using megaupload :P Jan 25 01:14:35 and yeah i got up arrow Jan 25 01:14:55 I don't see wget in preware Jan 25 01:15:16 I see a wget in optware, that's newer than what I have on my desktop actually Jan 25 01:15:32 but if you didn't specifically install anything, you've got busybox's wget, which isn't preware's fault at all Jan 25 01:16:45 what ver is in optware ? Jan 25 01:16:47 1.78 ? Jan 25 01:17:01 1.12? Jan 25 01:17:11 they're only up to 1.13.4 Jan 25 01:17:15 oop Jan 25 01:17:27 (per ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/wget/) Jan 25 01:17:27 wonder why it doesnt have half the options of my 1.10 version on my desktop Jan 25 01:17:36 e.g. wget --help lists almost nothing Jan 25 01:17:45 pastebin your wget --help Jan 25 01:17:53 one sec Jan 25 01:18:27 http://pastebin.ca/2105873 Jan 25 01:18:29 optware's wget is newer than what I have on my server (1.10.2) Jan 25 01:18:37 let me boot up my tpad Jan 25 01:18:47 where's D:\ :p Jan 25 01:19:50 windows desktop Jan 25 01:20:10 oh this is busybox's wget Jan 25 01:20:18 thats why it sucks Jan 25 01:20:28 yep Jan 25 01:20:56 * dwc- takes this opportunity to install wget-ssl on his phone Jan 25 01:21:20 (not that it matters unless I redo the path first) Jan 25 01:21:50 theres a wget in optware ? Jan 25 01:21:54 yep Jan 25 01:26:47 i dont see it Jan 25 01:28:52 im using preware 1.9.7 , should i upgrade to 1.9.10 ? Jan 25 01:31:17 fun question, is it possible to speed up the browser startup time ? Jan 25 01:31:35 like if i have a browser open on my desktop, and i open a new link, its much faster than touchpad Jan 25 01:31:47 maybe this system optimization patch will do it Jan 25 01:33:57 Compn: when dwc- says Optware, he means http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware, not just the subset of that which you see directly in Prewar Jan 25 01:33:58 e Jan 25 01:39:22 ah Jan 25 01:39:24 thx Jan 25 01:40:33 wow that wiki is confusing as shit :D Jan 25 01:41:59 hah, remembered how to ssh in Jan 25 01:43:14 ok, ipkg-opt got it, that wasnt so bad :) Jan 25 01:43:59 Compn: since it's a wiki, you're welcome to add whatever clarification you believe are required. Jan 25 01:44:27 what's your wiki username, I'll give you edit privs on that page so you can be constructive with your comments ... Jan 25 01:45:56 hehe i dont have an account there Jan 25 01:46:11 i guess its not too confusing Jan 25 01:46:56 but ok Jan 25 01:46:57 * rwhitby notes that a lot of people withdraw criticisms of wiki pages when they are faced with actually doing work to improve them ... Jan 25 01:46:58 let me reg real quick Jan 25 01:47:06 oh, good. Jan 25 01:47:31 rwhitby : compn is username Jan 25 01:47:53 done Jan 25 01:47:58 alrightys Jan 25 01:48:10 i'll also add where these packages are installed, if someone would let me know that location Jan 25 01:48:21 and what has to be added to the path to get them to be used first Jan 25 01:48:49 maybe a link to http://optware-project.org/ for futher information is required Jan 25 01:49:15 path is done automatically Jan 25 01:50:11 oh ok, i'll just rename my busybox wget then Jan 25 01:50:18 wonder how many things this will break... Jan 25 01:56:13 ok editing page Jan 25 01:56:34 guess i'll change it all at once, makes it easier to revert if my changes are bad :P Jan 25 01:58:43 ~. Jan 25 02:08:40 rwhitby: the ipkg-opt stuff should be out of date now, right? optware bootstrap only does loop and native ext3fs? Jan 25 02:09:14 * dwc- asks instead of src diving since he's leaving now adn would probably otherwise forget Jan 25 02:10:46 dwc-, what are you asking about Optware? Jan 25 02:12:25 i think he wants to know if ipkg-out works with the fs anymore Jan 25 02:12:39 rwhitby : wiki reworded Jan 25 02:12:53 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware Jan 25 02:13:13 let me know if i should add/change anything Jan 25 02:15:45 Compn, what do you mean "works with the fs anymore"? Jan 25 02:17:21 ka6sox-away : dwc- asked if 'optware bootstrap' only does loop and native ext3fs. so its implied that whatever device its installed on is using a different fs Jan 25 02:17:57 i dont think i'll be able to explain it any other way, so if you have further questions ,ask dwc- Jan 25 02:18:29 dwc- : i was able to install wget on my touchpad using the instructions soo ... works for me Jan 25 02:19:25 the preferred method is to repartition and put the tree in the ext3fs Jan 25 02:19:41 as that doesn't go away when the device is put into USB mode. Jan 25 02:20:35 go away ? Jan 25 02:20:43 it gets wiped or something ? Jan 25 02:21:51 Compn, disconnected during USB mode. Jan 25 02:22:56 Compn, putting it in cryptofs is not what I would prefer to do as things break doing that. Jan 25 02:24:55 ah Jan 25 02:24:57 probably Jan 25 02:25:06 btw, one of the most annoying messages on webos Jan 25 02:25:11 fill up your hd over 90% Jan 25 02:25:27 you get this 'warning your drive is over 90% full' message every day, and sometimes while browsing web ;\ Jan 25 02:25:38 over and over and over again Jan 25 02:28:28 * Compn starts updating to web os 3.0.5 86 Jan 25 02:28:35 what have i done ? this is never a good idea! Jan 25 02:29:30 probably will break wifi ;\ Jan 25 02:30:10 Compn, are you using a lot of patches/ Jan 25 02:30:12 ? Jan 25 02:31:36 that totally reminds me Jan 25 02:32:00 * Brybry looks to see if his compat-wireless modules are still there Jan 25 02:32:40 ka6sox-away : yes Jan 25 02:32:49 why ? Jan 25 02:33:05 all gone after an update ? Jan 25 02:33:07 ehe Jan 25 02:33:11 my up arrows! Jan 25 02:33:13 because they broke with this update. Jan 25 02:33:17 most of them. Jan 25 02:33:31 like brick the device or just wont patch anymore ? Jan 25 02:34:01 there is a tread on what broke on the forums... Jan 25 02:34:16 hello Jan 25 02:35:22 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/3-0-5-86-eliminated-homebrew-patches.1327/ Jan 25 02:35:23 ack Jan 25 02:36:20 well, the only patches i used were tweaks to speed things up, like memory optimization , touch lag patch , etc Jan 25 02:36:35 should i be using uberkernel while updating? lol Jan 25 02:37:01 idk lol Jan 25 02:38:34 ka6sox-away: poorly worded question. I mean if not /opt lives anywhere but the rootfs, the remounting of / is obsolete Jan 25 02:39:16 ka6sox-away, ping? Jan 25 02:39:19 whether it's looped on the cryptofs or native ext3 Jan 25 02:39:36 not(but) /opt Jan 25 02:39:44 so that means it has to live on the rootfs. Jan 25 02:40:12 PatrickC, yes? Jan 25 02:40:19 the mountpoint is, but the fs isn't Jan 25 02:40:25 ill PM you Jan 25 02:40:40 dwc-, where is it now? Jan 25 02:40:52 on the cryptofs or ext3fs? Jan 25 02:41:19 the normal /opt (before the bootstrap) no longer lives on the rootfs? Jan 25 02:41:58 iirc, ext3 if found Jan 25 02:42:03 else cryptofs Jan 25 02:42:37 I will seek out the postinst in internalz, af(term window) brb Jan 25 02:43:04 hows wterm vs xterm ? Jan 25 02:43:18 and does mlocate work well on touchpad (from optware) ? Jan 25 02:43:27 raw optware Jan 25 02:43:55 is preware safe? Jan 25 02:44:36 oy. too many org.webosinternals* for phone screen width Jan 25 02:45:01 is preware safe? Jan 25 02:45:37 what does "safe" mean? Jan 25 02:46:00 like is it gona fuck the firmware Jan 25 02:46:09 no? Jan 25 02:46:30 webos-internals recognizes the importance of security/trust Jan 25 02:46:48 is there a posability of messing up the hardware Jan 25 02:47:17 only if you install things that would mess it up Jan 25 02:47:18 everything that preware does gets tested, and webos-internals is very careful about potential "damage" to users devices Jan 25 02:47:45 so as long a i dont over clock badly etc im good Jan 25 02:48:21 i OC as far as i can normally, and nothing happens to me. but its always good to keep in the back of your mind that it could happen Jan 25 02:48:56 so i just wont OC theni just got my tp Jan 25 02:49:25 yea, "legacy" optware as mentiomed by postinst is already /var/opt... hmm, unless ipkg-opt isn't as self-contained as I think it is Jan 25 02:49:40 will strace later I guess Jan 25 02:50:41 god the app catalog is overpriced -_- Jan 25 02:51:17 the app writers set prices, not the catalog Jan 25 02:51:24 i know that Jan 25 02:51:28 just saying Jan 25 02:51:42 Dm430, i dont find it that over priced Jan 25 02:51:55 sorry i's not cheap enough to your satisfaction? Jan 25 02:52:13 * PatrickC has a feeling we just had this discussion yesterday :) Jan 25 02:52:23 PatrickC: i was just thinking that Jan 25 02:52:26 lol i really dont care im just saying Jan 25 02:52:45 Hewball, lol Jan 25 02:52:59 yea, what's with this 99c minimum anyways. Jan 25 02:53:03 iOS destorts peoples view of app value Jan 25 02:53:08 webOs is beautiful and i love it Jan 25 02:53:22 bah... i dropped my pre2 on its power button and now the power button is like pushed way in.. :/ Jan 25 02:53:27 time to take it apart again :/ Jan 25 02:53:30 who buys apps from ios -_- Jan 25 02:53:40 *for Jan 25 02:53:40 people who dont pirate? Jan 25 02:53:52 apparently a lot of people Jan 25 02:54:16 race to the bottom is not good for anyone Jan 25 02:55:39 yes.... that free OS thats popular... not helping anyone Jan 25 02:56:06 whats the best RDC Webos Jan 25 02:56:14 esp not those people that go and build a mobile platform usersace ont top. Jan 25 02:56:31 Dm430, i like splashtop Jan 25 02:57:08 is it a 3rd party? cuase i didnt update my hp touch pad yet so i waiting to install preware Jan 25 02:57:29 yes, its third party in the official app catalog Jan 25 02:58:11 ah didnt know if it was official or not Jan 25 02:58:41 and if your on twitter and dont want to have to buy a client, Project Macaw in Preware is a good one for free Jan 25 02:58:55 kool Jan 25 02:58:57 ty Jan 25 02:59:01 brb gotta reselect my ubuntu desktop Jan 25 02:59:20 Dm430, im one of the devs on it, and im really easy to get a hold of if there is an issue as im usually in IRC ;) Jan 25 02:59:42 sounds great Jan 25 02:59:52 Jan 25 02:59:52 ! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 25 02:59:56 2012