**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 27 02:59:57 2012 Jan 27 03:00:27 ok wait let me look at the pastebins Jan 27 03:00:36 ok Jan 27 03:00:38 have fun :) Jan 27 03:02:54 PatrickC did you run the novacom boot mem command that destinal typed above? (of course with the actual location) Jan 27 03:03:07 yes Jan 27 03:03:18 and the response? Jan 27 03:03:26 it went into bootie Jan 27 03:03:33 again.. Jan 27 03:03:44 that's the ] you were talking about? Jan 27 03:03:49 yes Jan 27 03:03:54 LarrySteeze|Away: yeah and the USB ID doesn't change Jan 27 03:04:28 * PatrickC decides he'll work on health while working on this :) Jan 27 03:04:28 type lsusb -v |grep -i palm again afterwards Jan 27 03:04:33 LarrySteeze|Away: and you're definitely sending boot command to right device, no emulator here? Jan 27 03:04:33 did that Jan 27 03:04:34 same Jan 27 03:04:43 destinal, no emulator Jan 27 03:04:45 novacom -l Jan 27 03:04:47 VBox not even isntalled Jan 27 03:05:00 43796 9cf5de173008760af3fae76a19b1ea822b8ebd64 usb roadrunner-bootie Jan 27 03:05:49 and did you try stopping and starting novacomd? Jan 27 03:06:05 i believe so..? destinal ? Jan 27 03:09:35 LarrySteeze|Away, destinal i think i am going to just doctor..? Jan 27 03:09:42 PatrickC: yeah service palm-novacom restart can do it too Jan 27 03:09:42 or do u think there is something else we could do? Jan 27 03:09:47 err palm-novacomd Jan 27 03:09:56 that the command? Jan 27 03:10:02 service palm-novacomd restart Jan 27 03:10:03 ? Jan 27 03:11:43 yup Jan 27 03:11:47 or wait Jan 27 03:12:41 yeah I think that's good. sorry, need coffee Jan 27 03:12:49 lol Jan 27 03:13:00 I don't think there's anything wrong with restarting it Jan 27 03:13:12 http://pastebin.com/z0WC9FN8 Jan 27 03:13:37 stop: rejected send message Jan 27 03:13:37 ? Jan 27 03:17:33 PatrickC: ps -e | grep novacom Jan 27 03:17:53 http://pastebin.com/ndEmbzcs Jan 27 03:20:44 LarrySteeze|Away, destinal, if we dont have this fixed by 9:30, i think ill just run the doctor :) Jan 27 03:21:00 if itll even tun Jan 27 03:21:02 run* Jan 27 03:25:38 PatrickC: yeah I mean your pre2 exists in the twilight zone or something, doctor it. and maybe revert changes we made to novacomd :) Jan 27 03:26:02 well, i would need to know how to revert them :) Jan 27 03:26:04 I have no idea how doctoring it should work since the first thing doctoring it does is memboots the installer image, but have at it Jan 27 03:26:47 ok, well rebuilding the meta-doctor to make a change Jan 27 03:26:54 and i forgot to make that change lol Jan 27 03:42:16 destinal, LarrySteeze|Away, i have the RAM icon on the screen!!! Jan 27 03:42:17 :D Jan 27 03:47:28 i have a feeling my filesystem is read only though.. Jan 27 03:47:35 not sure how to fix it if i only have bootie access Jan 27 03:48:22 and i now have novaterm access // destinal Jan 27 03:52:09 INFO: Trenchcoat: Directory has non-zero size. Fixing it. Jan 27 04:17:21 destinal: dunno, I haven't doctored my pre2 yet Jan 27 04:26:11 hola Jan 27 04:28:15 destinal: which version had the regression? Jan 27 04:28:29 version(s) Jan 27 04:31:42 destinal, LarrySteeze|Away, dwc-, it has been on 'INFO: Trenchcoat: Directory has non-zero size. Fixing it.' for the past almost hour Jan 27 04:32:06 maybe that's what was causing your boot problems Jan 27 04:32:15 sounds like maybe a corrupt fs Jan 27 04:32:25 how would i get that? Jan 27 04:32:52 PatrickC: filesystems get corrupted occasionally, more often because of powering off mid write or a number of things Jan 27 04:33:08 how would i fix it? Jan 27 04:33:16 i have novaterm access now ;) Jan 27 04:35:10 PatrickC: usually by deleting / wiping filesystems Jan 27 04:35:46 so, starting over totally? Jan 27 04:36:12 destinal: how often do people see fs corruptions in webOS if you happen to know? Jan 27 04:36:26 green--: it's very rare Jan 27 04:36:33 fsck Jan 27 04:36:46 destinal: any definite triggers identified yet by any chance? Jan 27 04:36:51 not deleting the fs ... Jan 27 04:37:04 http://pastebin.com/EYLt1hLQ Jan 27 04:37:07 PatrickC: that's what "deleting / wiping filesystems" means Jan 27 04:37:11 I've been told not to pull out the battery while things are running, for example Jan 27 04:37:23 it's the same as any other operating system Jan 27 04:37:30 try not to kill it while it's doing stuff Jan 27 04:37:38 destinal: oh, this is not touchpad I guess, in touchpad it's impossible to pull battery ;) Jan 27 04:37:44 even with journaling fs Jan 27 04:37:45 dwc-, its still a mounted filesystem Jan 27 04:37:52 so unmount it Jan 27 04:37:54 * green-- is only interested about touchpad, andforgot there are other devices with webOS too ;) Jan 27 04:38:01 :) Jan 27 04:38:14 umount / Jan 27 04:38:14 ? Jan 27 04:38:16 green--: there are about to be a lot more with webOS if I have anything to say about it Jan 27 04:38:19 dwc-: haha, everybody knows you odon't even need fsck if you have journal :-P Jan 27 04:38:20 :) Jan 27 04:38:32 green--: oh yea, I heard this rumor that putting android on touchpads gives them fs errors ;) Jan 27 04:38:54 destinal: Let's Not until summer when the source is supposedly drops. We'll see what's inside, the stuff I see from outside is not encouraging unfortunately Jan 27 04:38:56 PatrickC: I'm not at all familiar with the environment you're currently in Jan 27 04:39:07 dwc-, regular novaterm Jan 27 04:39:11 afaik Jan 27 04:39:15 booted normally? Jan 27 04:39:17 or in a doctor Jan 27 04:39:20 green--: "the stuff I see from the outside"? what does that mean? Jan 27 04:39:28 green--: actually most of what's needed will be dropped in March Jan 27 04:39:34 dwc-, in the doctor Jan 27 04:39:42 then that's probably not normal Jan 27 04:39:45 summatusmentis: That means strace mostly, also top Jan 27 04:40:10 destinal: Nope. Luna is way past that. MAtch is boring, kernel source you already have + egl libs that are useless on other devices Jan 27 04:40:19 green--: LunaSysMgr needs some work, but I'm not thrilled with davlik either Jan 27 04:40:30 green--: I still don't understand, are you saying that according to your external analysis, you don't expect to be able to put webOS on other devices? Jan 27 04:40:43 destinal: Yeah, I totally hate android internals (but I only looked at GB, don't know much about ICS, but not holding my breath) Jan 27 04:40:58 summatusmentis: No, I am saying that I don't expect the code to be any good. Jan 27 04:41:04 oh Jan 27 04:41:10 green--: hidd will probably be march also Jan 27 04:41:27 I don't know that "good code" matters, so long as it's functional Jan 27 04:41:33 at least not for putting it on other devices Jan 27 04:41:48 summatusmentis: Well, I hope you never encounter bad "functional" code that you need to maintain Jan 27 04:42:19 * PatrickC wonders how to umount it...? Jan 27 04:43:42 green--: maintenance is different than ability to install on other hardware Jan 27 04:43:52 if it's bad code, refactoring will clearly be in order Jan 27 04:44:02 summatusmentis: btw the good news for you is I bet you can run limited features webOS on other devices right now with no source as long as the devices are somewhat similar to something that already runs webOS (because you need the gfx drivers to be compatible) Jan 27 04:44:33 certainly other msm based stuff will work, also omap based devices Jan 27 04:44:37 green--: PuffTheMagic had a proof of concept of webOS 3.0 running on an EVO 3D Jan 27 04:44:56 well, just like I expected Jan 27 04:45:01 iirc, hidd was the major blocker Jan 27 04:45:29 why would it be. there is a generic TS hidd driver that understand linux evdev devices Jan 27 04:45:59 which is all you need for basic work Jan 27 04:46:13 green--, what do you consider basic work Jan 27 04:46:25 I think the binary distributed didn't understand the TS, and I don't think PuffTheMagic put too much work into it, because he couldn't legally distribute Jan 27 04:46:26 running webos is not basic work by any definition Jan 27 04:46:36 PuffTheMagic: device that boots into desktop and you can interact with it via touchscreen ;) Jan 27 04:46:58 basic work, as in "basic functionality working", I don't mean the work is necessaary trivial, mind you Jan 27 04:47:17 what use is "desktop" on a phone Jan 27 04:47:28 and by desktop i assume you mean X and some DE Jan 27 04:47:32 it's a first step ;) Jan 27 04:47:39 its a waste of time Jan 27 04:48:11 getting X to run on a phone is trivial and uninteresting Jan 27 04:48:15 a phone with no UI is even worse waste of time I suspect ;) Jan 27 04:48:29 does webOS run on top of X? I don't think so Jan 27 04:48:40 i dont get what your argument is Jan 27 04:48:58 I don't have an argument Jan 27 04:49:01 awesome Jan 27 04:49:06 * PuffTheMagic goes back to was he was doing Jan 27 04:50:04 green--: my original point was, destinal said that most of what would be needed to get webOS running on other devices should be available in March Jan 27 04:50:15 july Jan 27 04:50:39 we need Luna, period Jan 27 04:50:42 ok that was weird Jan 27 04:50:45 oh Jan 27 04:50:46 right, that's my point, Marh won't bring you anything you don't have already with a very fewexceptions Jan 27 04:50:57 ah, then I misunderstood Jan 27 04:51:02 PuffTheMagic, didnt they already "hack" luna to change the layout of the kb? Jan 27 04:51:09 green--, what comes in march could bring us added benefits to existing devices Jan 27 04:51:29 PuffTheMagic: Like what? You have the (almost) full kernel source Jan 27 04:51:33 PatrickC, why ask me a question you already know the answer to Jan 27 04:51:45 and we are wrestling the stuff HP illegally witholds from you because we need it too ;) Jan 27 04:51:58 " we need Luna, period" Jan 27 04:52:35 PatrickC, ? Jan 27 04:52:53 if they hacked it, then dont we technically have it? Jan 27 04:53:00 or is it still not "allowed" to be hacked? Jan 27 04:53:16 closed source binaries are still not distributable Jan 27 04:53:19 and besides that Jan 27 04:53:22 PuffTheMagic: I mean the march milestone only lists kernel and usb exceptions (rockhopper thingie userspace I guess) Jan 27 04:53:37 what device drivers are you expecting you don't have? Jan 27 04:53:40 changing a few bits with a hex editor is not going to get anyone very far Jan 27 04:53:55 July lists system manager bus where all the drivers hook to Jan 27 04:55:20 the webkit extentions will be useful, as well as the enyo widgets and usb extensions Jan 27 04:55:30 the node services later will also be useful for existing devices Jan 27 04:55:36 its not just about hardware Jan 27 04:55:39 That's not until April Jan 27 04:56:09 w/e Jan 27 04:57:36 my android install didn't go well Jan 27 04:58:37 acmeinstaller works perfectly for me however acmeinstaller2 didn't work Jan 27 04:59:02 and the error message is? Jan 27 04:59:42 PuffTheMagic: well what I was getting at is that if hidd and EGL stuff is part of march we can make good progress on porting for some devices Jan 27 05:00:19 destinal, thats part of core, wont be coming out in marge Jan 27 05:00:20 yes we need Luna overall, but some milestones are possible without Jan 27 05:00:25 march Jan 27 05:00:34 PuffTheMagic: hidd or EGL? Jan 27 05:00:38 hidd Jan 27 05:00:41 ah Jan 27 05:01:06 destinal, ping? Jan 27 05:01:10 PatrickC: hey Jan 27 05:01:12 and we still have the issue of hardcoded dimensions in luna Jan 27 05:01:17 how would i umount the fs? Jan 27 05:01:33 PatrickC, your google broke? Jan 27 05:01:44 PuffTheMagic: i'm not sure if they're hardcoded or if it was an EGL issue Jan 27 05:01:45 PuffTheMagic, im in a weird novaterm Jan 27 05:01:47 in the doctor Jan 27 05:01:53 not sure which commands will work Jan 27 05:01:56 and membootind doesnt Jan 27 05:02:28 memboot* Jan 27 05:02:47 destinal, luna, tested a different gl app Jan 27 05:03:31 PuffTheMagic: ah. I thought you were only able to get software rendering? Jan 27 05:03:41 destinal, for luna ya Jan 27 05:03:53 oh but GL stuff worked, cool Jan 27 05:04:26 that does suck re resolution though Jan 27 05:12:48 how long does it take webos to come out of usb drive mode? Jan 27 05:12:56 normally not that long Jan 27 05:13:12 depends on what you've done while it was in usb mode Jan 27 05:13:23 if you added a bunch of stuff, I think the media indexer runs Jan 27 05:13:45 PatrickC: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p3 bs=1024k count=1 warning, highly destructive... Jan 27 05:13:47 everytime I eject it seems I have to unplug it just to get back to webos proper Jan 27 05:14:03 destinal, i.e. backup if possible first? Jan 27 05:14:36 it already destroyed everything during the first process of the doctor Jan 27 05:14:42 i dont think there is anything left lol Jan 27 05:15:12 PatrickC: yeah it destroys /media too Jan 27 05:15:22 i dont see anything in /media/internal Jan 27 05:15:23 usb drive etc Jan 27 05:15:26 shows as empty Jan 27 05:15:31 PatrickC: may just not be mounted Jan 27 05:16:21 lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure; lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure Jan 27 05:16:28 for N in root var media log update; do mkdir /mnt/$N; mount /dev/mapper/store-$N /mnt/$N; done Jan 27 05:16:43 lol. i did 'mount /dev/store/media /media' and now my USB drive is in /media haha Jan 27 05:17:12 lol Jan 27 05:17:27 destinal: I see the "warning, highly destructive" but remember PatrickC runs whatever we put in IRC Jan 27 05:17:34 makes new novacomds and doesn't even realize it :P Jan 27 05:17:42 dwc-: lol, he didn't this time Jan 27 05:17:56 then did mkdir internal, then mounted /dev/store/media on /media/internal Jan 27 05:18:03 so i have 2 copies of my USB drive :) Jan 27 05:18:18 PatrickC: ack no don't put the TARDIS in the TARDIS Jan 27 05:18:45 the .palm dir will work for same device, right? Jan 27 05:18:55 i am stormageddon dark lord of all Jan 27 05:19:00 lmao Jan 27 05:19:09 lol..... Jan 27 05:19:47 whoever created webos doctor must have been a doctor who fan Jan 27 05:20:00 cause if the .palm dir will work on the same device, then i can save myself all the time of downloading apps :) (i think?) Jan 27 05:20:22 btw, once he has his lvm loaded Jan 27 05:20:27 Vic_Sage-TheQues: the humor in webos is awesome. boot loader called bootie. (which you flash bootie with trenchcoat) Jan 27 05:20:29 he can just fsck them without mounting Jan 27 05:20:45 destinal, haha Jan 27 05:21:18 I am oldschool booting cm7 2.1 Jan 27 05:21:50 Vic_Sage-TheQues I mostly like webos though there are some things like netflix that admittedly dont work on webos yet Jan 27 05:22:32 now I just need to put the files into the main dir so I can delete everything and flash ics Jan 27 05:23:03 PatrickC: sooo you should back up your stuff Jan 27 05:23:25 first, have to fix the read only filesystem :) Jan 27 05:23:32 PatrickC: no you don't Jan 27 05:23:36 hellow shadow cat Jan 27 05:23:51 destinal, i cant tar up the /media/internal with .palm :) Jan 27 05:23:57 its huge and will take forever Jan 27 05:24:01 so i have to remove that folder Jan 27 05:24:16 or you could just exclude .palm Jan 27 05:24:25 oh, maybe busybox tar doens't have that Jan 27 05:24:33 or whatever's in the recovery bits Jan 27 05:24:52 PatrickC: mount -o remount,rw /media/internal Jan 27 05:24:54 uh oh hey patrickC,weird question but were you ever on Rizon doing RE on a particular Blizzard game? Jan 27 05:25:07 hmmmm, no Jan 27 05:25:12 sorry, wrong person then Jan 27 05:25:15 lol Jan 27 05:26:08 destinal, you know how to do sed with a bash variable Jan 27 05:26:12 and get it to expand Jan 27 05:26:25 don't put it in single quotes Jan 27 05:26:36 double quotes rather than sngle Jan 27 05:26:44 use 2 quotes Jan 27 05:26:47 >_> Jan 27 05:26:58 none of that works Jan 27 05:28:05 root=`cat /etc/group | grep "^root:"`; if [ `echo ${root} | grep -c "wterm"` = 0 ]; then sed -e "s/${root}/${root}wterm/" /etc/group; fi Jan 27 05:28:40 that's because root= isn't defined when the ${root} is expanded Jan 27 05:28:55 oh wait, nevermind you have a ; Jan 27 05:29:40 works for me puff Jan 27 05:29:51 $ root=`cat /etc/group | grep "^root:"`; Jan 27 05:29:55 $ echo $root Jan 27 05:29:56 root:x:0: Jan 27 05:30:00 found a way to exclude .palm Jan 27 05:30:07 $ if [ `echo ${root} | grep -c "wterm"` = 0 ]; then sed -e "s/${root}/${root}wterm/" < /etc/group ; fi | grep root Jan 27 05:30:10 root:x:0:wterm Jan 27 05:31:05 i think sed on the TP is weird Jan 27 05:31:30 oh Jan 27 05:31:36 what's your $root resolve to Jan 27 05:31:49 root:*:0: Jan 27 05:31:58 probably because * is a special character Jan 27 05:32:17 dumb question... wheres the voice assist for touchpad that all these smartphones got now ? Jan 27 05:32:29 "google something" takes me to google... Jan 27 05:32:30 destinal, so dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p3 bs=1024k count=1 or fsck ? Jan 27 05:32:48 PatrickC: I like dd, nuke it from orbit, then doctor Jan 27 05:32:54 unmount everything first Jan 27 05:33:27 umount / Jan 27 05:33:27 ? Jan 27 05:33:29 it already tried fsck and failed badly, so I probably wouldn't bother Jan 27 05:33:40 PatrickC: umount -a Jan 27 05:33:42 dwc-, so it cant work? Jan 27 05:34:00 http://pastebin.com/52DDg0C2 Jan 27 05:34:09 cant umount everythings busy Jan 27 05:34:13 cd / Jan 27 05:34:18 then umount -a Jan 27 05:34:21 im in root Jan 27 05:34:30 i demand free money NOW Jan 27 05:35:09 PatrickC: fuser /media/internal Jan 27 05:35:22 finds what PIDs are using it Jan 27 05:35:33 http://pastebin.com/A8U7TvDN Jan 27 05:36:13 PatrickC: lol, unmounted too much Jan 27 05:36:17 sorry Jan 27 05:36:21 lol Jan 27 05:37:15 PatrickC: try mount -a Jan 27 05:37:38 http://pastebin.com/S25SgZZX Jan 27 05:37:42 dwc-, found a different solution Jan 27 05:37:58 adduser -G root wterm ? Jan 27 05:38:06 PatrickC: yeah that's probably fine Jan 27 05:38:10 doesnt work when user already exists Jan 27 05:38:18 root=`cat /etc/group | grep "^root:"`; if [ `echo ${root} | grep -c "wterm"` = 0 ]; then sed -i "/^root:/s|$|wterm|" /etc/group; fi Jan 27 05:38:22 usermod Jan 27 05:38:29 no usermod on webos Jan 27 05:38:29 doesnt exist Jan 27 05:38:42 you don't even get deluser/userdel :p Jan 27 05:39:09 PuffTheMagic: cant you just include usermod in the package? Jan 27 05:39:20 or compile a simple version of it Jan 27 05:40:28 destinal, what next? try the dd command? Jan 27 05:41:09 PatrickC: try fuser -a /media/internal Jan 27 05:41:35 /media/internal: 1713c 1721c 1722c Jan 27 05:41:37 if id wterm | grep -q root ; then sed -e 's/^root:.*$/&,wterm' ; fi Jan 27 05:42:00 not sure if it'll take an empty,wterm Jan 27 05:42:32 i have a solution now Jan 27 05:42:33 PatrickC: ps auxw|egrep '(1713|1721|1722)' Jan 27 05:43:32 if grep -q "^root:.*wterm" /etc/group ; then ... ; fi Jan 27 05:43:38 destinal, ill PM u this one. ill tell u in the PM why Jan 27 05:48:31 ah i think what i need is 'newspaper creator' ... Jan 27 05:48:49 it used to be free ;\ Jan 27 05:50:10 no it never was afaik Jan 27 05:51:36 root@TouchPad:/var/home/root# id wterm Jan 27 05:51:36 uid=1002(wterm) gid=1002(wterm) groups=1002(wterm),0(root) Jan 27 05:51:36 root@TouchPad:/var/home/root# grep root /etc/group Jan 27 05:51:36 root:*:0:,wterm Jan 27 05:51:43 looks like the extraneous , is ok Jan 27 05:55:14 dwc-, what are you using now Jan 27 05:55:39 the last expression I see looks like it will only run if wterm is not at the end Jan 27 05:55:44 what if its in the middle Jan 27 05:57:29 I dunno, you said you were using something already, so I stopped Jan 27 05:57:52 it's actually if ! grep Jan 27 05:57:58 but you continued Jan 27 05:58:02 and the regex isn't anchored at the end Jan 27 05:58:17 so it doesn't have to end with wterm Jan 27 05:58:40 and since I'm not using it as a matcher like I was in the sed, it doesn't have to match the entire line Jan 27 06:00:58 I only continued with the if part because I thought it was shorter, but it's not really all that important Jan 27 06:01:35 the checking the ,wterm part is because I was thinking if someone had added a puffy user to the root group you didn't want to end up with root:*:0:puffywterm Jan 27 06:01:56 but I didn't want to assume root:*:0:,wterm would work Jan 27 06:02:05 if ! grep -q "^root:.*wterm" /etc/group; then sed -i -e 's/^root:.*$/&,wterm/' /etc/group; fi Jan 27 06:02:13 is the final version i guess Jan 27 06:02:33 thanks Jan 27 06:17:14 flashing a VZW doctor to a sprint pre2... wonder whatll happen lol Jan 27 06:17:21 nothin :/ Jan 27 06:29:45 as a heads up, there are Touchpads on woot.com ;) Jan 27 06:30:25 yeah :) Jan 27 06:45:58 I almost wonder if I should pick one up Jan 27 06:46:10 but, like, I don't _really_ need one Jan 27 06:50:08 excuses! Jan 27 06:51:04 anyone in here done the OMAP boot recovery before? Jan 27 06:51:10 yea, you need two! Jan 27 06:51:12 i cant get the omap_usb thing to compile Jan 27 06:52:01 thing is, poor grad student Jan 27 06:54:18 more touchpads, less food Jan 27 06:54:26 ask Rod Jan 27 06:54:44 i use a touchpad to prepare food all the time! Jan 27 06:55:12 ask Rod? does he buy poor grad students hardware? Jan 27 06:55:16 * bhuey defers all questions about HP matters to "Rod" Jan 27 06:55:53 it's interesting they're selling refurb models at higher-than-firesale prices Jan 27 06:56:46 I never thought I would see that Jan 27 06:56:55 linux just crashed Jan 27 06:57:35 what did you do to it? Jan 27 06:57:46 ran a doctor... Jan 27 06:59:44 back doesn't even run on my phone.. Jan 27 06:59:47 fsck*** Jan 27 07:00:37 my system encountered a serious kernel problem (guessing that's why linux crashed) Jan 27 07:02:48 kernel problems usually mean crashing Jan 27 07:02:58 $219... Jan 27 07:08:36 whois destrudo_ Jan 27 07:08:54 oopse lol Jan 27 07:09:23 im thinking i have to recreate my entire FS Jan 27 07:14:41 rwhitby, hate to bother u, but are you around? Jan 27 07:15:42 i have been trying for the past 9 hours to recover my pre2 and have had no success.. Jan 27 07:26:42 hello PatrickC Jan 27 07:26:49 hey panda|x201 Jan 27 07:26:54 panel* Jan 27 07:26:56 :) Jan 27 07:26:58 hey Jan 27 07:27:02 how are you ? Jan 27 07:27:14 not very good.. Jan 27 07:27:23 why Jan 27 07:27:35 borked pre2 (or so it seems) Jan 27 07:27:39 :/ Jan 27 07:30:18 have you any donate link ? Jan 27 07:30:24 na Jan 27 07:30:42 i have another pre2 i can use if this one is borked Jan 27 07:30:59 because I want to donate your twitter app, but I don't have access to paid catalog Jan 27 07:31:52 we don't have an official donate link yet Jan 27 07:47:54 total filesystem recreation didnt do it :S Jan 27 07:55:36 i am going to be Jan 27 07:55:38 bed* Jan 27 07:55:59 hopefully rwhitby will be on sometime tomorrow or ill be rebuilding another sprint pre2 Jan 27 07:56:01 night guys Jan 27 08:00:10 night Jan 27 08:04:12 cya panel, and thx :) Jan 27 12:29:07 hmm Jan 27 12:29:15 irc won't let me change nicks O.o Jan 27 16:33:16 destinal: ping? Jan 27 16:33:54 can someone /kick my other nick? Jan 27 16:35:12 PatrickC_: pong Jan 27 16:35:39 ok, last night I completely recreated the vs and the doctor still failed.. Jan 27 16:35:43 fs* Jan 27 16:36:24 dwc-: gave me the sizes for everything and I created the FS according to those sized (which looked right) Jan 27 16:36:45 lvm.static lvdisplay and lvm.static pvdisplay both show correctly Jan 27 16:38:38 PatrickC_: I don't think i'd bother with that, the doctor can basically build a working system from bare metal, shouldn't need to prepare anything Jan 27 16:39:05 it fails when trying to unmount one of the partitions Jan 27 16:39:12 doesn't even get passed 8% Jan 27 16:39:14 all you really need is bootie and "nvram area" for tokens Jan 27 16:39:48 once I get the tokens, then what? Jan 27 16:45:03 PatrickC_: the one without _ ? Jan 27 16:45:14 summatusmentis: yep. PatrickC Jan 27 16:45:41 you know there's a /ghost command right? Jan 27 16:45:46 nope.. lol Jan 27 16:45:49 ... Jan 27 16:53:35 https://gist.github.com/1689748 anyone know why my log would look like this? Jan 27 16:54:30 oh no! my pre+ doesn't wanna go past the non-glowing logo :( Jan 27 16:54:56 and it's been a couple weeks since I backed up stuff Jan 27 16:55:43 RagingMind, i had my pre2 decide to corrupt the fs last night.. Jan 27 16:55:54 worked on it for like 8 hours and still isnt working Jan 27 16:57:01 it had been acting wonky and being super slow lately so I was gonna doctor soon Jan 27 17:00:55 gah! it booted. Jan 27 17:02:42 i wish mine was like that lol Jan 27 17:06:54 it's my main phone so now I know what I'm doing for the next couple hours Jan 27 17:10:57 RagingMind, mines my main phone too.. contemplating if i should just build my other pre2... Jan 27 17:19:48 PatrickC: there has to be a better way to wipe the disk properly except nvram area etc that webos will realize it needs to rebuild. I thought it was all p3 Jan 27 17:20:23 destinal, i have it membooted, so what do i need to do? Jan 27 17:20:36 i was actually taking apart the second pre2 so i could build another one :) Jan 27 17:22:07 destinal, here is the mount, lvdisplay, and pvdisplay https://gist.github.com/1689880 Jan 27 17:24:49 destinal, im ready to build the second pre2 (meaning i have the other one taken all apart) ill wait on u to see if we are going to try to fix the broken one :) Jan 27 17:25:18 PatrickC: well it should be way easier to just clean stuff off of flash on the one you;ve got Jan 27 17:25:26 ok cool Jan 27 17:25:28 just not sure offhand Jan 27 17:25:39 what commands do u think i need to run? Jan 27 17:25:44 ^ Jan 27 17:25:48 i have it in a memboot, so i have full novaterm access Jan 27 17:25:49 ah :) Jan 27 17:26:53 is there a manual way to apply the doctor? Jan 27 17:27:42 PatrickC: the doctor is just a glorified shell script run over the novacom connection, you can open up the doctor jar in a decompiler like jd-gui and read everything it does Jan 27 17:28:10 so if i have a novaterm connection i can pretty much run the doctor by hand? Jan 27 17:28:11 (really a series of shell commands executed from the java host program but pretty readable) Jan 27 17:28:34 PatrickC: well you could run the commands the doctor runs if you had them all listed out Jan 27 17:28:46 hmm.. how would i list them out? Jan 27 17:28:47 lots of commands :) Jan 27 17:28:54 its worth a try ;) Jan 27 17:29:05 PatrickC: u can open up the doctor jar in a decompiler like jd-gui and read everything it does Jan 27 17:29:09 i already have an unpacked doctor :) Jan 27 17:29:55 LV Status NOT available Jan 27 17:30:08 * dwc- wonders if that's relevant Jan 27 17:30:59 hmm... Jan 27 17:31:00 not sure Jan 27 17:32:47 destinal, im assuming everything is in the webOS.tar ? Jan 27 17:33:03 no Jan 27 17:33:04 cause everything else in the doctor seems to just be.. not relevant to this? Jan 27 17:33:16 PatrickC: did you use a java decompiler like I said? Jan 27 17:33:20 yes Jan 27 17:33:43 not sure what the stuff in com (i.e. the ice.tar and palm dir's) are for Jan 27 17:33:43 webos.tar is a resource, you want to look at decompiled versions of the class files -- code Jan 27 17:34:10 everything else looks like a novacom installer to me Jan 27 17:34:19 but what dwc- said, could that be relevant? Jan 27 17:35:27 PatrickC: I think you're doing it wrong Jan 27 17:35:33 what part? Jan 27 17:36:31 lol Jan 27 17:36:41 there are so many parts ;) Jan 27 17:40:41 PatrickC: com / palm / nova-installer / core Jan 27 17:40:59 PatrickC: nova is the operating system name for webos. nova=webos Jan 27 17:41:18 so nova-installer is a webos installer Jan 27 17:42:46 ok Jan 27 17:42:50 now to figure out how to run those.. Jan 27 17:43:26 then inside the com / palm / nova-installer / core / stages it looks like thats where it actually does the stuff Jan 27 17:44:39 yeah agreed Jan 27 17:45:20 save/restore + unison = yay! Jan 27 17:50:14 destinal, do u have any idea how to run those? Jan 27 17:51:03 I'm not sure you really want to be running this by hand Jan 27 17:53:07 PatrickC: bizarre - i don't see lvcreate commands anywhere in here Jan 27 17:55:30 hmm.... Jan 27 17:55:47 does the doctor run those? i thought u had to have the lv's already created Jan 27 17:55:48 ? Jan 27 17:56:12 PatrickC: the doctor used to be able to make everything from virtually nothing Jan 27 17:56:33 anyone in here test 2.2.4 on their pre+? Jan 27 17:56:49 dwc-, and why not? Jan 27 17:57:12 PatrickC: wonder if some of this stuff got moved to installer image scripts Jan 27 18:00:07 RagingMind: with some sort of meta-doctor? Jan 27 18:00:13 yup Jan 27 18:00:18 there's a test script Jan 27 18:00:28 tempted to try it... Jan 27 18:01:57 I was about to re-doctor my device so that its in a nice clean state to do some linphone devel on it. Id love to try it out, point me in the right direction. Jan 27 18:02:42 I have no cell service on the device right now anyway so its just a device to mess around with. its originally from verizon, so its got that radio hw in it. Jan 27 18:02:47 destinal, hmmm. how would we check? Jan 27 18:03:26 sammy, what webos version is on it right now? Jan 27 18:08:32 destinal, i wonder if we can compile the nova-installer folder and then run that as a java program? Jan 27 18:12:39 PatrickC: uh, that would be what the doctor is Jan 27 18:12:43 I don't see the point Jan 27 18:18:58 almost doctored with the wrong boot image. oops Jan 27 18:19:05 * RagingMind rebuilds Jan 27 18:21:30 destinal, we could compile it without the steps that fail Jan 27 18:21:52 we have the log from the doctor and see where it fails, so just exclude those? Jan 27 18:22:06 or rebuild the entire doctor with those excluded? Jan 27 18:25:04 maybe you should look into what is failing and why is it failing Jan 27 18:29:11 dwc-, i have looked at what is failing, not sure why its failing Jan 27 18:29:16 i pasted it on here iirc Jan 27 18:29:57 dwc-, destinal, https://gist.github.com/1690182 Jan 27 18:30:02 there's the reason its failing Jan 27 18:30:42 if i dont respond for a while, its because im cleaning ;) Jan 27 18:31:02 heh failure to unmount, seriously? Jan 27 18:36:38 yeah Jan 27 18:36:43 how do i get passed that? haha Jan 27 18:38:57 last time I doctored was before 2.1 came to the vzw pre2, so this will kinda be an update Jan 27 18:41:11 SEVERE: MountUtils: unmount failed: umount: can't umount /dev/mapper/store-log: No such file or directory Jan 27 18:41:21 sounds like somebody borked their system! Jan 27 18:41:27 is there a file or something on my phone that I can look at to figure out when I did doctor it? Jan 27 18:41:43 PatrickC: mkdir doctor-tmp; cd doctor-tmp; awget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre2/p224rod12052011/wrep224rod/webosdoctorp224pre2wr.jar; unzip webosdoctorp224pre2wr.jar; tar xvf resources/webOS.tar; dd if=nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage bs=2376688 skip=1 | gzip -cd > installer-ramdisk.ext2 Jan 27 18:41:51 dwc-, the pre2 is "unborkable" though :) Jan 27 18:41:57 s/awget/wget/ Jan 27 18:41:57 destinal meant: PatrickC: mkdir doctor-tmp; cd doctor-tmp; wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre2/p224rod12052011/wrep224rod/webosdoctorp224pre2wr.jar; unzip webosdoctorp224pre2wr.jar; tar xvf resources/webOS.tar; dd if=nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage bs=23... Jan 27 18:42:13 whatever. anyway that extracts the installer image ramdisk Jan 27 18:42:25 i have that doctor already downloaded Jan 27 18:42:28 I can't open it right now on OSX Jan 27 18:42:51 PatrickC: yeah then just the dd if=nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage bs=2376688 skip=1 | gzip -cd > installer-ramdisk.ext2 Jan 27 18:42:52 so just get the nova-installer-image-roadrunner-uImage and run the dd command on it? Jan 27 18:43:30 I can't open it because OSX apparently can't mount such a file Jan 27 18:43:40 need to get a linux VM running Jan 27 18:44:20 https://gist.github.com/1690246 Jan 27 18:44:50 you might be able to use a fuse plugin Jan 27 18:45:37 PatrickC: if you want you can mount it like: mkdir /mnt/installer-ramdisk; mount -t ext2 -o loop,ro installer-ramdisk.ext2 /mnt/installer-ramdisk Jan 27 18:46:08 destinal: ok. I'll do that in a second when I get to the computer Jan 27 18:47:13 dwc-: binwalk is great for finding offsets into firmware images for things to rip out Jan 27 18:47:41 * PatrickC wishes he had a mac Jan 27 18:50:31 destinal: haven't used it before, will have to take a look Jan 27 19:02:20 wow Jan 27 19:11:49 bhuey: binwalk or something else? Jan 27 19:15:24 RagingMind: sorry, distracted elsewhere. 2.1.0 Jan 27 19:22:18 destinal, i did that command now Jan 27 19:31:33 destinal, what next? Jan 27 19:54:22 destinal, i think im just going to build the new sprint pre2 for now and will try and fix this one later today Jan 27 19:57:35 PatrickC: if you like, I think it's silly, like building a new computer because you can't reformat a drive but at least it's forwardp progress I guess Jan 27 19:57:48 well, not sure what to do next Jan 27 19:57:53 if you give me the commands ill do them Jan 27 19:57:55 :) Jan 27 19:58:30 PatrickC: yeah I don't know and don't have a device handy. rwhitby could tell you but probably not on yet Jan 27 19:58:31 i was getting ready to take off the comms board, if u have commands i can stop and try them Jan 27 19:58:42 so I guess go ahead :-/ Jan 27 19:58:47 thats fine. ill just build the new device, then we can get it fixed later :/ Jan 27 20:04:44 * bhuey lives in a post Jon Rubenstein life now Jan 27 20:05:47 he he Jan 27 20:05:57 bhuey, he's not dead Jan 27 20:06:22 we shall now not speak ill of the dead, or something Jan 27 20:11:32 ugh.. i cant get these keyboard tabs to go back in :/ Jan 27 20:11:57 magnets. Jan 27 20:12:20 hammer Jan 27 20:16:04 it worked :) Jan 27 20:16:06 no hammer needed Jan 27 20:16:25 destinal, doctor is done. thanks for the help Jan 27 20:16:32 ill be on later to try and fix the other one Jan 27 20:26:08 I spoke to him a few times Jan 27 20:26:20 never really got to know him and would have liked to Jan 27 20:30:48 bhuey: yeah, I think ruby is underappreciated wrt his contributions to webOS Jan 27 20:30:56 very Jan 27 20:31:00 time will tell Jan 27 20:31:35 meanwhile a new generation of Palm folks are taking over webOS Jan 27 20:31:42 we'll see how that plays out Jan 27 20:31:55 maybe that sucky performance and stuff will eventually go Jan 27 20:32:33 bhuey: yeah hopefully so. did HP scare off all the software people by now or are they just ready to go on and make something new Jan 27 20:33:20 just so that you know, answering that question publicly could get me fired Jan 27 20:33:31 it's like that for all Palm folks Jan 27 20:33:47 because it's confidential information Jan 27 20:33:56 woo!! the keyboard magically fixed itself :D Jan 27 20:33:58 bbl guys Jan 27 20:34:03 thanks again destinal Jan 27 20:34:30 bhuey: ah, gotcha. guess I didn't know what public information was out there I might not be aware of Jan 27 20:35:12 I know the hardware people were all moved within the company or laid off Jan 27 20:35:25 (but again, just public announcements stuff) Jan 27 20:36:19 you know what I think would be neat? if Ruby went back to his Apple days, and made nicely designed hardware again, for the purpose of selling them w/ Open webOS on them Jan 27 20:37:07 bhuey: definitely didn't mean to phrase it like I was asking for confidential info, sorry Jan 27 20:41:31 ugh Jan 27 20:41:53 does feedreader work with webos 3.0.5 update ? Jan 27 20:42:41 bhuey: I've always been impressed at the fact that a lot of Palm folks have been involved in discussions here -- take geist, cdm, etc. not something you see a lot of places and very cool Jan 27 20:43:13 feed reader is stuck at "received $num new stories" :\ Jan 27 20:43:16 wont launch either Jan 27 20:43:43 Compn: which app? Jan 27 20:44:31 feedreader by timo Jan 27 20:45:00 com.tegi-stuff.app.feedreader Jan 27 20:45:11 in app store Jan 27 20:46:50 should i try to remove it ? Jan 27 20:47:02 Compn: ah, yeah would be good to contact that apps developer to report the bug I think Jan 27 20:47:17 does it not work for you either ? Jan 27 20:47:23 I don't use that one Jan 27 20:47:28 did you try installing it ? Jan 27 20:47:33 destinal: that's because we love the system just like you folks Jan 27 20:47:34 and which one do you use ? Jan 27 20:47:38 :) Jan 27 20:47:40 in a lot of way, we're not much different Jan 27 20:48:25 bhuey: yeah, really glad the Open webOS thing is happening and this code will see the light of day Jan 27 20:48:51 really opens up what can be done with it and means that people who are passionate about it can always continue to maintain it Jan 27 20:49:06 I was impressed with the schedule and license Jan 27 20:49:15 bhuey: ASL right? Jan 27 20:49:17 Apache2 license has some balls to it Jan 27 20:49:19 yeah Jan 27 20:49:23 hard core OSS license Jan 27 20:49:44 arguably more hardcore than GPLv2 Jan 27 20:51:18 yeah, you can do all kinds of things with it that doesn't put requirements on your own code to be OSS. kind of mixed feelings on that but the flexibility is awesome Jan 27 20:51:56 GPLv2 wouldn't have been appropriate Jan 27 20:52:10 would have been too constraining even though I love the license for the Linux kernel Jan 27 20:53:01 destinal : what i need is a program i run on my desktop to download rss articles and convert them (including images) to pdf and email them to my tablet for offline Jan 27 20:53:13 theres a pay app on the hp app store, but i'm cheap Jan 27 20:53:35 I'm really glad that they went w/ the apache licence Jan 27 20:54:38 bhuey: yeah I hope it provides good benefit for HP too, I guess time will tell that Jan 27 20:55:48 yes Jan 27 20:56:34 bhuey: most people here would tell you they'd much rather run webos than android -- hopefully with it open this dramatically spreads and more people get involved with the project and help improve it Jan 27 20:56:35 http://www.tabbloid.com/ <~ this might do what i want, and its run by HP apparently Jan 27 20:57:36 but it doesnt work so well Jan 27 20:57:53 or not at all Jan 27 20:57:56 maybe i have to wait Jan 27 20:57:59 Compn: hmm had never seen that before Jan 27 21:08:12 destinal: actually, a bad FS can stop the doctor at 8% before it reflashes any partitions Jan 27 21:09:12 hey rwhitby Jan 27 21:10:18 hey Jan 27 21:19:05 rwhitby: what's the best fix for that, he tried your dd command you wrote at some point to overwrite 1M of mmcblk0p3 Jan 27 21:19:14 rwhitby: which apparently didn't work :-/ Jan 27 21:22:37 did he recreate the lvm? Jan 27 21:22:53 * rwhitby is not sure where he wrote about a dd command for end-users Jan 27 21:23:36 rwhitby: doctor should recreate the lvm if it's overwritten in the right way, right? Jan 27 21:23:50 rwhitby: some time back on IRC, (logs) Jan 27 21:23:50 no Jan 27 21:24:16 rwhitby: used to be that doctor could recover a pre from bare metal with only nvram area / tokens in existence Jan 27 21:24:17 as I said, you need a valid LVM at 8% before it tries to flash anything Jan 27 21:24:27 people have demonstrated that Jan 27 21:24:31 yes, early doctors can do that Jan 27 21:24:48 nerfed? :-\ Jan 27 21:25:01 the recovery page is very clear about how to recover stuff Jan 27 21:25:06 including recreating the filesystem Jan 27 21:25:17 I don't see why you guys are not following that Jan 27 21:25:47 Complete filesystem creation -- The following is for a 32GB TouchPad Jan 27 21:25:49 that? Jan 27 21:25:56 yep, modify if for a Pre 2 Jan 27 21:26:07 update the wiki at the same time Jan 27 21:26:18 kk, I just didn't know it was now needful. Jan 27 21:26:30 shame about that change Jan 27 21:29:52 RagingMind: any luck with the 2.2.4 install? Jan 27 21:50:28 I'm digging through developer.palm.com, and it looks like the 3.0 design guides et al are only available online -- am I missing an obvious download? Jan 27 21:50:58 sammy, it's my main phone so I whimped out Jan 27 21:51:05 sticking with 2.1.0 Jan 27 22:57:42 hi everybody ! Jan 27 23:18:56 Compn: I have that feedreader, mine is still working fine, try rebooting? Jan 27 23:23:49 already removed it ;\ Jan 27 23:32:50 http://pastie.org/3266432 why does build.git hate me... along with crosscompile.git.... Jan 27 23:41:33 halfhalo, :P Jan 27 23:44:38 halfhalo, seems like its failing make clean, so on line 59, you could try changing it to ${MAKE} all Jan 27 23:48:51 whats up Jan 27 23:51:21 is there some sort of crash reporter for the touchpad like i have on my iphone Jan 27 23:52:59 wrea, the issue is there _is_ no makefile in that paticular folder Jan 27 23:54:13 none in /mnt/srv/preware/build/toolchain/fuse ? Jan 27 23:55:11 there is one in that folder, but not fuse/build/src/kernel Jan 28 00:16:13 hey i have a question Jan 28 00:17:04 many people do Jan 28 00:17:47 what's yours? Jan 28 00:17:56 so if i would make mod to the web os like in kernal is there a way to go back to the stock stuff? Jan 28 00:18:15 yes, you uninstall the custom kernel Jan 28 00:18:21 you could undo whatever you do, or you can use the webos doctor to reset everything Jan 28 00:18:24 all via Preware, without loosing any of your data Jan 28 00:18:31 or losing either Jan 28 00:18:56 i was just wondering if i would have to reflash it of not, use the bootldr so ty Jan 28 00:19:20 it's all done in Preware, no need to flash anything Jan 28 00:19:37 gota love that :D Jan 28 00:19:37 flashing a whole rom just to change your kernel is so primitive Jan 28 00:20:01 yea it is but thats how droid is :/ Jan 28 00:20:14 as I said, so primitive ... ;) Jan 28 00:20:20 yep Jan 28 00:21:01 (to be fair, cyanogen and clockwork seem to have things sorted out in that area) Jan 28 00:21:42 so im thinking about putting moboot on can it run other arm sportive kernls/os etc other than droid? Jan 28 00:23:04 you want to visit ##touchpad-dev where that is discussed Jan 28 00:23:24 ok Jan 28 00:23:39 or you can use Preware to run Debian or Ubuntu chroot applications in a card in webOS Jan 28 00:26:02 yea i saw that, pretty sweet! needs a partion right uses ext3 right Jan 28 00:26:39 yep, use Tailor to create taht Jan 28 00:28:22 were can i get that Jan 28 00:28:42 whats the feed? Jan 28 00:29:37 read testing.preware.org Jan 28 00:39:49 crap i lost conection Jan 28 00:40:00 do i need to make a webos doctor still? Jan 28 00:43:17 or can i just use tailor? Jan 28 00:44:35 rwhitby u there Jan 28 00:48:56 ? Jan 28 00:54:20 my sster keeps unpluging the cat5 -_- Jan 28 01:00:21 u there Jan 28 01:02:57 i just started to install xfce on my debian touchpad and i can't change selection of language in the terminal gui Jan 28 01:04:15 i need help with this xceutah thing Jan 28 01:06:35 nvm then Jan 28 01:12:41 rwhitby, i did follow that page, modifying it for the Pre2 Jan 28 01:12:56 uhm im confused Jan 28 01:13:58 dm430, yes, you can use tailor Jan 28 01:14:14 do i have to use webos docotr etc Jan 28 01:14:17 still? Jan 28 01:14:19 no Jan 28 01:14:23 no, tailor will do it Jan 28 01:14:36 how big should it be? Jan 28 01:15:11 up to you Jan 28 01:15:15 mine is 10GB iirc Jan 28 01:15:44 so after i make the partion then what? Jan 28 01:15:51 PatrickC: I don't see any Pre2 modifications on that page Jan 28 01:16:04 i didnt document it (i probably should have Jan 28 01:16:08 dm430: what instructions are you following ? Jan 28 01:16:18 idk -_- Jan 28 01:16:30 im a newb to webos Jan 28 01:17:37 rwhitby, i just changed the commands from 'lvm.static lvcreate -l 71 -i 1 -M y --major 254 --minor 0 -n root store' to 'lvm.static lvcreate -L X(M/G) -i 1 -M y --major 254 --minor 0 -n root store' Jan 28 01:17:55 lvm's seem to be created just fine afaik Jan 28 01:18:14 well, since you didn't document it, I can't confirm that Jan 28 01:18:38 PatrickC: you could add it to the wiki and save some future person :) Jan 28 01:18:48 Those are the commands I used, but as I don't know if they worked 100% yet there is no reason to add it :) Jan 28 01:19:01 once I confirm it worked (or figure out how to make it work) i will document it Jan 28 01:19:07 i dk Jan 28 01:19:13 i dont want to document a non-working procedure Jan 28 01:19:59 like i dont understand how to change the beta feed Jan 28 01:20:10 dm430, testing.preware.org Jan 28 01:20:47 yea i added it but the feed dosent show up Jan 28 01:21:18 dm430, did u follow the wiki page? Jan 28 01:22:00 yea i under stand upto the purely instructed gain acess to he linux kernal Jan 28 01:22:37 vincentbot, lol Jan 28 01:23:38 dm430, do you mean "Linux command line"? Jan 28 01:23:43 yea Jan 28 01:24:10 my guess is if you don't know how to gain access then you probably shouldnt be using the beta feeds.. (just my opinion) Jan 28 01:24:48 i could figure it out im not dumb... im in the ps3 dev scene etc just feeling extremily lazy right now Jan 28 01:24:49 the Q & A on that page has a question formatted for this Jan 28 01:33:59 rwhitby, any specific reason I would get this for an error https://gist.github.com/1690182 or how to fix it? Jan 28 01:38:06 PatrickC: you can put it on the talk page Jan 28 01:38:22 the talk page? Jan 28 01:38:28 the article's talk page Jan 28 01:38:28 * PatrickC goes to look Jan 28 01:38:41 doubt many people read it, but some do Jan 28 01:38:53 at least it'll be there for others to see Jan 28 01:39:40 dwc-, ok. and itll be there for if it does work, then i can just copy/paste it to the main wiki page Jan 28 01:41:27 also, you can add a note to the article page that you've added it to the talk page... Jan 28 01:41:32 ok Jan 28 01:41:46 should i include the pvcreate? or would one assume the physical volume is already there? Jan 28 01:45:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Talk:How_To_Recover Jan 28 01:51:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover#Complete_filesystem_creation (wiki page updated.) Jan 28 01:54:08 thanks for the editing dwc-, i know almost no wiki markdown :) Jan 28 01:55:09 * dwc- points at the "Editing help" link Jan 28 01:55:24 I'm not a big fan of wikimedia markup Jan 28 01:55:40 but I hate it a lot less than confluence's Jan 28 01:56:27 dwc-, i saw it, and used it a little Jan 28 02:59:50 destinal, ping? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 28 02:59:59 2012