**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 13 02:59:58 2012 Feb 13 04:49:30 Jack87, Feb 13 04:50:35 scp is cpu intense Feb 13 04:52:46 oc80z, oh Feb 13 05:03:38 Jack87, requires the encryption engine to be running @ full blast Feb 13 05:20:37 hello Feb 13 09:24:56 when I try to update middle system logging I get an errorr Feb 13 09:25:16 unable to run command Feb 13 09:26:08 ipkg_offline_root= Feb 13 17:11:28 is it normal for preware to complain it isn't an ipk handler after each device reset? Feb 13 17:14:54 if you reset the device then it drops associations. Feb 13 17:15:09 ok, so expected behavior Feb 13 17:15:37 ty Feb 13 18:34:14 hello Feb 13 18:34:31 just a little question Feb 13 18:34:57 are there problems with the feeds? Feb 13 18:35:30 I'm having trouble with them too Feb 13 18:35:31 404s Feb 13 18:35:46 when getting canuk's pathches... Feb 13 18:36:44 oke, not found informations. preware not loading nothing. allready 1-2 days Feb 13 18:37:50 webos-* etc... not sure if allready known Feb 13 18:37:58 I just loaded a bunch of other patches though.... Feb 13 18:40:32 strange, i can load urls per internal browser Feb 13 18:40:39 ex. http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/ Feb 13 18:41:18 maybee just reboot my touchpad, bye bye :-) Feb 13 20:36:10 hoot hoot where is my loot Feb 13 21:19:47 jcerwinske: canuck's packages need to be updated by him to reflect the new download locations from the webOS Nation site change Feb 13 21:38:27 rwhitby: thanks for info... also reversion of change in Open SSH package in preware fixed my segfault issues. Thanks to whoever reverted it :) Feb 13 21:41:56 you're welcome Feb 13 23:28:53 folks Feb 13 23:30:07 hey Feb 14 01:19:15 Have a new HP Touchpad. Do NOT like being forced to "activate" an HP account just to use it. If I do activate with an account, just to play with it, can I later reset so that all that info gets wiped and I can start over with a rooted / developer version? I'm a total n00b to tablets, but using linux since mid-90s. Feb 14 01:23:40 quixote: you don't have to activate if you don't care to use the app catalog and backup functions and so on Feb 14 01:24:11 quixote : yes, you can reset it and resell Feb 14 01:24:22 or root it whenever you want Feb 14 01:24:46 i activated mine and rooted it (installed preware) easily Feb 14 01:24:52 Compn: there is no "rooting" you just turn on developer mode. I say there's no rooting because it's designed to give you root if you ask, not something that needs to be hacked Feb 14 01:24:57 right Feb 14 01:25:22 important philosophical difference vs most android devices Feb 14 01:25:48 Hey, thanks! I don't want to resell. I love the ones I've been able to use, which is why I bought one... and then bumped into this obnoxious activation nonsense. I couldn't find that simple info in hours of searching. Thanks again. Feb 14 01:26:09 quixote: did you find out how to bypass activation? Feb 14 01:26:51 quixote: I still think activation is better because you can use the app catalog and download applications from HP Feb 14 01:26:57 Yes, I did. But I wanted to know whether not bypassing would land me in being in an HP account forever. You never know these days. Feb 14 01:27:25 quixote: they don't try to lock you into anything, you can always wipe Feb 14 01:28:05 that's why I wanted to try activating, see if all that good stuff I hear about is worth the bother. I also understand I can turn off most of the logging, backing up etc. But still. Feb 14 01:28:34 Okay. Good to know. Feb 14 01:29:42 quixote: the one thing that's important is your geographic region Feb 14 01:30:09 I'm in the US. California. Feb 14 01:30:27 ah ok then no worries Feb 14 01:30:56 some regions have fewer apps available, that kind of thing. something silly and I imagine will go away with open webos Feb 14 01:31:25 I see. Which regions are depauperate? Feb 14 01:32:33 non-US, not sure which ones are the worst Feb 14 01:32:59 Okay. Cheers. Feb 14 01:33:05 it's something you can select when publishing your app on the catalog, what areas it should be available in Feb 14 01:33:11 there are 10 countries where you can buy apps. 128+ countries where you cannot Feb 14 01:33:13 if you make an app and publish it on the catalog that is Feb 14 01:33:44 rwhitby: wow still that high? that's insane Feb 14 01:34:10 number of countries in the world minus 10 Feb 14 01:34:22 Yikes. The things you learn. We need to get our open internet back, pronto! Feb 14 01:34:43 it's not an internet thing. it's a tax and legal requirements for sale in various countries thing Feb 14 01:34:59 for example, many countries have legal restrictions on app content Feb 14 01:35:42 Hmph. I'm not sure I'm any more patient about taxes and legal beagles! Feb 14 01:35:42 the world is a complex place. paypal doesn't solve any of those things. Feb 14 01:36:34 end-user desire rarely has any impact on such issues Feb 14 01:36:44 quixote: I guess these are the kinds of things that matter when running online application stores Feb 14 01:36:57 I imagine Apple has a whole team of people dealing with it Feb 14 01:37:19 these are some of the reasons why Preware does not have apps for sale. the legal issues are far more than what I wish to deal with. Feb 14 01:37:41 Ain't that the truth. And on that depressing note, I'll sign off. :P Feb 14 01:37:47 rwhitby: on the other hand, Preware does enable people to do their own online application stores since you can install IPK's from web URL's Feb 14 01:38:05 destinal: exactly. they then take the legal risk, rather than I. Feb 14 01:39:00 rwhitby: I propose that Open webOS implement a switch in the control panel to enable web-based install, the way android has had such a switch since the beginning Feb 14 01:39:19 sure Feb 14 01:40:23 (carriers or enterprises could disable it, presuming there will be carriers and enterprises) Feb 14 01:40:28 that's fine Feb 14 01:42:04 err say rather carriers / enterprises / product vendors I suppose **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 14 02:59:56 2012