**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 18 02:59:58 2012 Feb 18 03:19:28 xterm suddenly works on pre3 Feb 18 03:19:40 who can i hug? Feb 18 03:57:28 koo2, you mean you are not using wterm :( Feb 18 03:58:56 i found xterm sdlterm and terminus in preware...xterm works...sorry about that:) Feb 18 03:59:50 koo2: HUG ^.^ Feb 18 03:59:50 where would i find it? Feb 18 03:59:55 koo2: did it not work on the pre3 previously? Feb 18 04:00:16 no, didnt start, like the others Feb 18 04:00:22 koo2: also, if you just want a terminal, i'd give wterm a shot Feb 18 04:00:48 koo2: like the others? well I thought it worked fine on the pre3, but then again I did sit on quite a few updates to that for quite some time :3 Feb 18 04:00:54 anyway \o/ and sorry that that wasn't fixed earlier :) Feb 18 04:01:14 koo2, PuffTheMagic: wterm is in the public feeds now, right? Feb 18 04:02:49 sorry, still catching up with the whole webos world and taking it lazy.. Feb 18 04:05:31 dont even know what made it work, i dont remember any relevant updates Feb 18 04:06:35 koo2: lol you're telling me :D Feb 18 04:06:36 dtzWill, yes Feb 18 04:06:53 i pushed an update to xterm a few days ago that's been in alpha/beta for much too long Feb 18 04:07:04 aha Feb 18 04:07:13 must've been it, or maybe some ls2 role thing, dunno. but glad it's fixed. Feb 18 04:07:18 must b it Feb 18 04:07:27 (it's also possible i explicitly fixed a pre3 crash bug, it's been so long xD) Feb 18 04:07:29 :) thanks Feb 18 04:08:46 wterm...found it Feb 18 04:09:45 koo2: wterm is the shit, and let PuffTheMagic/me/the issue tracker know if you have any issues :) Feb 18 04:09:55 * koo2 scratches head at the setup screen Feb 18 04:19:04 koo2, i know i need a firstuse about/help scene Feb 18 04:19:14 koo2, the setup is to set a root password basically Feb 18 04:19:49 i see, theres a default login command in prefs Feb 18 04:20:17 a paragraph of explqnqtion would do.. Feb 18 04:20:48 ill try to give it a thought tomorrow Feb 18 04:21:07 the default login pref is going to change to a list box Feb 18 04:21:21 and im going to be hardcoding the root/wterm users and the only choice Feb 18 04:22:41 hm hm hm? Feb 18 04:31:38 xterm has worked for me on the pre3 for quite awhile Feb 18 04:42:28 shrug Feb 18 05:47:01 PuffTheMagic,.. A terminal is an interface between you and dangerous commands. Wterm will not run them as root by default, unless you change the shell command in preferences. If you accept this little safety measure, now would be a good time to set root password, so you can "su" when you need to. Feb 18 05:52:33 Create root console icon in launcher? Feb 18 05:52:41 that button confused me a lot Feb 18 06:24:18 ko1, is supposed to create a new icon in the launcher Feb 18 06:24:21 with a red term icon Feb 18 06:24:26 that starts a root chell Feb 18 06:24:28 shell Feb 18 06:24:37 but it has issue when the app is update Feb 18 06:24:41 so its disabled for now Feb 18 06:48:03 PuffTheMagic, that was a suggestion how to reword it Feb 18 06:48:08 anyway Feb 18 06:48:17 my phone runs cmatrix Feb 18 06:48:54 this is almost the world i could bring up my kids in Feb 18 07:17:11 :) Feb 18 07:17:52 ko1: cool, cmatrix looks to be a good terminal test too Feb 18 07:19:51 PuffTheMagic: wTerm working well on phones now? Feb 18 13:48:44 destinal its a good stresstest, thats 4 sure Feb 18 16:07:53 destinal, has a hybrid app it works well on all 2.2 and up devices Feb 18 16:08:11 on 2.1 it has issues with rotation which we might be able to fix once the source to RemoteAdapter is out Feb 18 16:08:31 on my 1.4.5 pixi it only runs in standalone mode Feb 18 16:08:37 i havent tried a 1.4.5 pre- Feb 18 16:30:37 PuffTheMagic, what app is this? Feb 18 16:31:31 wterm Feb 18 16:32:27 ahh Feb 18 16:42:25 Hey guys. I'm trying to meta-doctor my TouchPad, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to secure a copy of the 3.0.5 webos doctor. Every link I find leads to the webstart downloader, and while I know it's caching the file (reran it and it didn't need to redownload) I can't find the cache. Don't see anything on the relevant wiki pages about it. Could anyone point me in the right direction? Feb 18 16:42:53 Cerealklr, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Feb 18 16:43:12 Thanks cryptk, but I've already tried that link. It's dead (at least, for me) Feb 18 16:43:18 no it isn't Feb 18 16:44:00 try it again Cerealklr exactly as I put it there Feb 18 16:44:03 Okay, I clicked it again and it's still an empty response for me. Odd, because I was able to download the webstart downloader from the same subdomain. Feb 18 16:44:07 Yes, no, not that link Feb 18 16:44:14 Sorry, I meant the link to the actual webos-doctor Feb 18 16:44:24 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/touchpad/p305rod01122012/wd305wifi/webosdoctorp305hstnhwifi.jar Feb 18 16:44:26 which link on there are you clicking? Feb 18 16:44:41 that's a you thing then Feb 18 16:44:47 works great for me Feb 18 16:45:16 and that link is the only place that you can get it from legally Feb 18 16:45:23 Right Feb 18 16:45:37 try clearing your browsers cache Feb 18 16:45:40 Cerealklr : that link is 230mb Feb 18 16:45:42 try a different browser Feb 18 16:45:44 use wget to download it Feb 18 16:45:45 :) Feb 18 16:45:46 it's something with you Feb 18 16:45:48 *doi* Feb 18 16:45:53 don't know why I didn't think about wget Feb 18 16:45:56 lets give that a shot Feb 18 16:45:58 lol Feb 18 16:46:03 it happens Feb 18 16:46:16 Heyo! Feb 18 16:46:28 Working like a charm. Suppose something is just weird in this build of chromium. Feb 18 16:46:42 never trust a web browser that wont allow you to change options Feb 18 16:47:03 Well, chromium is the open-sourced version of Chrome Feb 18 16:47:09 which is what I tell myself whenever I feel guilty. Feb 18 16:47:12 =P Feb 18 16:47:19 still not a very good option setting Feb 18 16:47:31 even internet explorer can set more options :P Feb 18 16:47:36 Hush! Feb 18 16:47:39 We don't speak of that, here. Feb 18 16:47:44 -P Feb 18 16:47:47 =p* Feb 18 16:47:58 opera and firefox both have :config pages too, those are nice Feb 18 16:48:05 It actually does have a fair number of command line arguments you can use to tweak it. They're just very poorly documented. Feb 18 16:48:17 yeah, i used --proxy once Feb 18 16:49:02 * cryptk uses firefox Feb 18 16:49:08 At any rate, My TouchPad just came back to life today after a series of unfortunate and traumatic accidents. Feb 18 16:49:18 Yeah, firefox is definitely catching back up in terms of speed Feb 18 16:49:20 people say that it is slow... seems pretty fast on my rig ;) Feb 18 16:49:28 I'm seriously considering going back Feb 18 16:49:44 Well, the later versions are much much faster than the older ones. Mozilla has seriously been stepping up Feb 18 16:49:45 quad core overclocked, 8GB of ram and an SSD... nothing is slow on here Feb 18 16:49:55 its not that firefox sped up Feb 18 16:50:04 its that chrome/chromium has bloated / slowed down Feb 18 16:50:10 at an alarming rate Feb 18 16:50:15 Hmmm Feb 18 16:50:18 I had noticed that. Feb 18 16:50:31 Compn, you do know that you have now somewhat contradicted yourself right? Feb 18 16:50:32 They keep introducing new (typically awesome) features to speed it up Feb 18 16:50:38 never trust a web browser that wont allow you to change options Feb 18 16:50:41 its that chrome/chromium has bloated / slowed down Feb 18 16:51:04 didnt say i trusted them :P Feb 18 16:54:07 Oh, by the way. Feb 18 16:54:17 Has anybody else experienced sudden TouchPad Death Syndrome? Feb 18 16:54:26 what kind of death ? Feb 18 16:54:32 wont turn on ? Feb 18 16:54:42 In which it immediately shuts off and refuses to turn on or show any indication of charging? Feb 18 16:54:53 I let it discharge for two weeks and set it on the charger overnight Feb 18 16:54:56 has anyone noticed that it only takes 5s of holding power button instead of 10s after 3.0.5 update ? Feb 18 16:55:08 Cerealklr : sounds like battery / charging problem Feb 18 16:55:13 and got an interesting back and forth ticking of the pulser on the button Feb 18 16:55:26 and when I woke up Feb 18 16:55:32 it was charged and functional again Feb 18 16:55:54 i dislike things that wont operate on plug power only Feb 18 16:56:02 requires battery to work forever or you are screwed... Feb 18 16:56:28 Well, it's strange. The Adapter definitely has the current to keep it running Feb 18 16:56:39 it charges faster than it drains even with the screen on and stuff running Feb 18 16:56:48 but I suppose they didn't include circuitry for it Feb 18 16:56:54 because of how huge the battery is Feb 18 16:57:36 which means since the battery is basically a huge capacitor (if I understand modern technology right) you need to charge it up to a minimum charge level before it has the juice to run the device. Feb 18 16:57:59 Even though the actual current you're providing is more than enough in the first place. Feb 18 17:05:14 curious. Has anybody had issues with novacom being unable to find their device? Feb 18 17:06:44 I just went ahead and updated my novacom drivers to the latest public ones, but that doesn't seem to have helped. I've tried running novacom/term manually just tobe sure. Feb 18 17:10:10 Eh, got it. It refused to manually reboot into the usb recovery mode. Feb 18 17:10:25 err, automatically* So I did it manually. Feb 18 17:11:07 are you in dev mode ? Feb 18 17:11:37 sounds like you arent following steps properly :P Feb 18 17:14:39 Hmmm, Oh, having the device locally wiped would probably take you out of dev mode, wouldn't it? Feb 18 17:14:43 Yeah, that's my bad then. Feb 18 17:15:12 Speaking of which, Why on earth did they make it so easy to locally wipe your device? 0.o Hold 3 buttons for 10 seconds and everything is gone. Or just have a button stick. Feb 18 17:15:19 I lent it to my girlfriend for _two hours_ Feb 18 17:15:31 and got back a lovely like-new device. -.- Feb 18 17:15:36 Cerealklr: and she did ... Feb 18 17:15:37 ouch Feb 18 17:16:19 Heh Feb 18 17:16:24 Well, at least the good news is Feb 18 17:16:42 I get the pleasure of knowing that _every_ cool app/patch I see in Preware Feb 18 17:16:48 is something I don't already have again. Feb 18 17:16:54 =P Feb 18 17:50:26 which 3 buttons wipe the device? Feb 18 18:15:23 dwc-: iirc, its both volume keys + power, or both volume keys + home. Feb 18 18:15:36 However, each time I've done it has been on accident Feb 18 18:16:04 and typically involved panic-induced button mashing to figure out which button was stuck and allowing the 10s countdown to continue Feb 18 18:16:44 anyone else having trouble with certain apps in preware? Internalz Pro, for example. Checked the ipkg log and its getting a 404. Feb 18 18:16:56 It's trying to pull the app down from cdn.precentral.net Feb 18 18:17:12 but *precentral.net seems to be just a dumb redirect to webosnation.com Feb 18 18:17:23 which might be the issue Feb 18 18:17:27 yep, we are working on fixing it Feb 18 18:17:45 everything from precentral is likely broken ever since they changed the URL Feb 18 18:17:51 Okay, cool. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't going crazy. Feb 18 18:17:58 nope, you aren't Feb 18 18:18:07 when they changed their URL, they broke their package feeds Feb 18 18:18:28 did they port all the cdn content over to a new subdomain which is still publicly exposed? Feb 18 18:18:38 if so I can tell my router to intercept the DNS request in the meantime Feb 18 18:18:50 and return the appropriate address Feb 18 19:49:42 folks Feb 18 19:50:34 hola Feb 18 21:09:52 cryptk: we are not working on fixing it. It's Jason's issue with his hard-coded package control file which contains the wrong Location: header Feb 18 21:09:58 Cerealklr: ^^ Feb 18 21:10:07 ahh Feb 18 21:10:14 I didn't know that one was specific Feb 18 21:10:31 I thought that was the same issue that had been happening to all PC packages when they changed URL's Feb 18 21:10:55 no, that was their feed which was broken, not the packages Feb 18 21:11:04 this is specific packages which are broken at their end Feb 18 21:11:04 ahh, ok Feb 18 21:11:09 gotcha Feb 18 21:11:34 Jason develops for Windows Phone now, so dunno if he's going to fix them. Feb 18 21:12:32 ahh Feb 18 21:12:37 rwhitby, isn't it like 5AM there? Feb 18 21:12:45 7:42am Feb 18 21:13:04 ahh, that's right, you are in south AUS aren't you Feb 18 22:18:31 Now I wanna listen to Queen's Another One Bites the Dust Feb 18 23:15:40 PuffTheMagic, dtzWill , whatcha think about the paragraph of explanation i put together yesterday? Feb 18 23:40:16 okay. free app downloads are failing again on my pre3, is there anything I should look at or record before fiddling with airplane mode? Feb 19 00:04:21 ko1, the paragraph sounds good but the real issue is where to put it it, there needs to be a intro scene which I have not made yet Feb 19 00:04:37 cant add that too the setup page cause it would fill up 2 pages of screens on a phone Feb 19 00:04:59 actually.... maybe I can get oil to help make the "help/information" overlay in enyo Feb 19 00:05:04 and that would solve that problem Feb 19 00:56:09 rwhitby: Awhh, will anyone be picking up maintenance of his old packages? I quite liked Internalz, among other things. Feb 19 01:00:39 Cerealklr: I believe they are closed source packages Feb 19 01:01:02 I believe he still intends to develop for webOS as well, just not sure of what his priorities are now. Feb 19 01:01:37 Right. Fair enough. Well, I guess I'll give gemini another shot. At least I have XTerm again, so I won't really be losing functionality. Feb 19 01:01:37 Or maybe he's just busy with exams or something. Dunno - you'd have to ask him. Feb 19 01:04:42 bhuey: do you have any suggestions for using kgdb w/ kernel? Feb 19 01:04:57 seems that it needs polling api on serial console (that does not exist) Feb 19 01:06:38 ^ on touchpad kernel Feb 19 01:33:14 bhuey: note: the serial console I have (the polling api on such seems to be the problem) Feb 19 01:33:36 jcsullins working on the 3.0 port? Feb 19 01:33:45 yes Feb 19 01:33:47 nice Feb 19 01:33:50 that should bring OMX Feb 19 01:33:58 eventually Feb 19 01:34:18 i haven't spoken to dal much lately. last i heard it boots but almost nothing works Feb 19 01:34:58 it's moving along .. much more works now Feb 19 01:35:05 nice Feb 19 01:35:12 nice to have you on board Feb 19 01:35:28 funny how tmzt came up with that LK idea and you took it over and made it work Feb 19 01:35:30 all OSS Feb 19 01:35:33 :) Feb 19 01:35:41 :) Feb 19 01:35:48 mind if ask you a q? Feb 19 01:36:03 guess that would depend on the q Feb 19 01:36:05 where did you even come from? :) in the first place? :) Feb 19 01:36:15 jcsullins: you're working on a 3.0 port for webos? Feb 19 01:36:23 rwhitby android Feb 19 01:36:31 rhcp: note channel topic then Feb 19 01:36:56 * rhcp goes back to being silent Feb 19 01:38:54 * jcsullins notes that kernel porting efforts may be useful to webOS as well (in few months) Feb 19 01:39:07 jcsullins: here's hoping, yes. Feb 19 02:23:47 jcsullins: can't work or talk about kernel until a couple of things change internally here Feb 19 02:23:58 working on it ntw Feb 19 02:23:59 btw Feb 19 02:24:49 futex support is broken in 2.6.35 Feb 19 02:25:03 so the glibc bits should be updated as well, it's a bigger problem than just kernel Feb 19 02:27:35 bhuey: fair enough - been making decent progress on 3.x port (it's on my github, btw) Feb 19 02:28:21 was trying to apply some upsteam (codeaurora) patches and after doing so, it no long boots .. was hoping to hook up kgdb to determine why Feb 19 02:28:44 that when I ran into the lack of polling api on serial console issue (trying to use kgdb) Feb 19 02:29:34 shit Feb 19 02:33:02 yep, that's what I thought Feb 19 02:33:22 private discussion only Feb 19 02:45:28 jcsullins: I can have general public discussion not specific technical details until they sort things out Feb 19 02:45:40 3.0 port would be the last usable kernel port on the TP IMO Feb 19 02:45:57 moving to any other kernel wouldn't have any additional benefit **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 19 02:59:58 2012