**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 27 02:59:58 2012 Feb 27 03:17:51 rwhitby: the answer is, it's parsed on start of /usr/bin/PmWsfDaemon (so for most people, once per reboot) :) Feb 27 03:21:34 destinal_: what are the data speeds of straight-talk? Feb 27 03:21:41 any idea what network they MVNO from? Feb 27 03:21:43 summatusmentis: it uses ATT's network Feb 27 03:22:10 at least, the GSM straighttalk stuff doesn, they also sell CDMA phones which use VZW's Feb 27 03:22:20 interesting Feb 27 03:22:21 s/doesn/does/ Feb 27 03:22:21 destinal_ meant: at least, the GSM straighttalk stuff does, they also sell CDMA phones which use VZW's Feb 27 03:22:44 do they limit you to 2G? Feb 27 03:22:46 or something? Feb 27 03:23:08 my device comes up with an H+ logo, I haven't done speed tests but it feels fast Feb 27 03:23:46 that's intriguing Feb 27 03:24:21 destinal_: I'm assuming that's with straight talk's $45 per month? Feb 27 03:24:29 and my json line seems to do the trick, will have to add it to metadoctor patches directory Feb 27 03:24:37 LarrySteeze: yes Feb 27 03:25:09 Why do you have to make any changes at all? they sell sim cards that are supposed to work with any ATT phone Feb 27 03:25:28 LarrySteeze: they use different APN information but otherwise yes. Feb 27 03:25:36 interestin Feb 27 03:25:39 *interesting Feb 27 03:26:02 you can manually enter APN info in webos 2.x but I'm just trying to make it easier for others and also get aGPS working Feb 27 03:26:08 I figured since it was just a mvno for att you wouldn't have to change the apn info because of their sim card trickery Feb 27 03:26:31 if I ever have to give up my Sprint plan, I guess I'll go GSM somewhere Feb 27 03:26:51 summatusmentis: that's what I did...but I still have sprint too Feb 27 03:27:20 summatusmentis: I'm actually tempted to try Ting (CDMA by tucows, on Sprint network) but they won't let you BYOD Feb 27 03:27:35 so you'd have to put webos on one of the android phones they sell or clone an ESN Feb 27 03:28:30 interesting Feb 27 03:28:46 I'm on a grandfathered SERO plan, which is way too good to let go of Feb 27 03:28:54 and I can't afford 2 plans Feb 27 03:28:56 oh yeah. wish I had that Feb 27 03:29:03 how'd you get it on webos device? Feb 27 03:29:26 I'm not recommending anyone try cloning an esn, as it's actually against the law...but if you want to learn about cdma internals, you'd want to check out cdma workshop Feb 27 03:29:56 LarrySteeze: cloning an ESN to steal service is against the law Feb 27 03:30:08 I'm not talking about doing that Feb 27 03:30:16 destinal_: after a while they let you upgrade to "SERO Premium", which was an extra $40/mo, and they let you get newer phones Feb 27 03:30:32 destinal_: I know you aren't. It's more about the FCC stuff. Feb 27 03:31:08 while cloning your own ESN to move your service to another device *should* be legal, the law is just a maze so tread carefully Feb 27 03:31:37 I'm not saying it shouldn't be legal...just that it isn't necessarily Feb 27 03:32:23 Ting is pretty slick looking, I will say Feb 27 03:32:34 LarrySteeze: no I mean I think it's technically legal, but the circumstances are murky Feb 27 03:33:11 hmm. So StraightTalk should handle my GS2 Skyrocket from AT&T? Feb 27 03:33:17 or do I need to unlock it first Feb 27 03:33:29 hmm got a pretty fast GPS lock, I'm not *positive* aGPS is working but I think maybe it is Feb 27 03:34:02 was within a minute of opening maps Feb 27 03:34:20 bnceo: AT&T devices should just work Feb 27 03:34:30 ah. interesting Feb 27 03:34:44 too bad I'm on a contract for another 20 months! Feb 27 03:34:50 bnceo: they're already locked to the MCC/MNC Feb 27 03:34:55 s/the/the same/ Feb 27 03:34:56 destinal_ meant: bnceo: the samey're already locked to the MCC/MNC Feb 27 03:35:00 lol oops Feb 27 03:35:10 got it Feb 27 03:35:25 ting does look interesting Feb 27 03:36:05 But I don't think it'd be any cheaper for me Feb 27 03:36:30 LarrySteeze: and they have a galaxy II-s with a Exynos chipset, if we get webos working on that, then people looking fora good / cheap service plan for multiple devices should be happy Feb 27 03:36:51 shouldn't need to clone etc Feb 27 03:36:56 right Feb 27 03:37:23 and galaxy 2s would make sense as it's a pretty widespread device ATM Feb 27 03:37:38 give the skyrocket some love! Feb 27 03:37:49 LarrySteeze: one attractive thing about Ting, if you need one plan for a production / daily driver phone you could add a second dev phone onto your plan really cheaply and pool minutes and data bytes Feb 27 03:38:30 Wait, the data is pooled too? Feb 27 03:38:33 yep Feb 27 03:38:38 that's pretty cool Feb 27 03:39:04 bnceo: heh skyrocket eh? I'll have to check it out Feb 27 03:39:42 bnceo: ah is that an S-II codename? Feb 27 03:39:48 nope Feb 27 03:39:56 skyrocket is the AT&T LTE version of the GS2 Feb 27 03:40:10 isn't it bigger too? Feb 27 03:40:11 ahhh Feb 27 03:40:21 uses a qualcomm processor. APQ8060 Feb 27 03:40:32 the LTE part may be the hard part Feb 27 03:40:35 ya. 4.5. Feb 27 03:40:42 oh wow totally different device, just looks the same Feb 27 03:40:54 I wouldn't expect that to be working at least for a long time Feb 27 03:41:34 ya. the LTE chip is the reason it doesn't have CM9 yet Feb 27 03:41:46 waiting on the official ICS build for it Feb 27 03:42:17 bnceo: I have to admit preferring the Exynos galaxy's over the snapdragon galaxy S-IIs' or even the omap4 galaxy S-ii's Feb 27 03:42:28 wow was one name ever overloaded to mean so many different devices before? Feb 27 03:43:00 oh I agree. I like the exynos. It just doesn't have an LTE component to it. That's why they had to switch to the qualcomm one Feb 27 03:43:10 OT: Wyoming wants their own currency...and an aircraft carrier. Feb 27 03:43:55 it's a emergency plan in case the country goes bleh Feb 27 03:43:56 an... aircraft carrier? Feb 27 03:44:17 cause they got a pretty good economy relatively speaking. the aircraft carrier I'm perplexed about Feb 27 03:44:19 Exynos seems to be barely ever locked down in practice and has a Mali GPU for which an OSS gfx driver is being developed Feb 27 03:45:45 besides Exynos I like omap4 (pre/pre2 is omap3, galaxy nexus as well as kindle fire, nook tablet, is omap4) Feb 27 03:46:08 the stuff I saw about omap5 was making me drool a little Feb 27 03:46:21 My new webos device focus wants to be the HTC One X Feb 27 03:46:42 But...not going to happen Feb 27 03:47:38 One X? Feb 27 03:47:45 ya. from MWC Feb 27 03:47:51 all over verge and other sites Feb 27 03:47:52 wow quad core Feb 27 03:48:23 I was not overly impressed by any of the HTC One models Feb 27 03:48:30 eh, tegra. tegra / snapdragon are my least favorite Feb 27 03:48:32 but then again, hardware doesn't do anything Feb 27 03:48:44 for me, the experience is what matters Feb 27 03:49:41 exactly! Feb 27 03:49:48 all those numbers or CPUs mean JACK Feb 27 03:50:11 it's why apple is still king. Forget the geek stuff. get the stuff working and working well. Feb 27 03:50:18 that's not entirely true, they mean something Feb 27 03:50:23 but they're not the end-all be-all Feb 27 03:50:43 "still king" is a relative term too, there are generally more android sales Feb 27 03:51:07 that's like saying blockbuster movies are great cause they sell tickets Feb 27 03:51:36 I didn't say android was great Feb 27 03:51:48 regardless, I think we can agree with apple being able to solidifying the experience on limited devices makes the ios experience top notch. Feb 27 03:51:49 I said it depends on how you define "still king" Feb 27 03:52:02 solidify* Feb 27 03:52:32 I hate using apple devices, I always feel too limited Feb 27 03:52:53 RagingMind: I get that, I also find that generally, I'm ok with the decisions Apple makes for me Feb 27 03:53:01 ya. my iPod Touch is siting on my desk rotting away Feb 27 03:53:10 I'm tempted to sell it and my spare Black Veer Feb 27 03:53:41 webOS struck a nice balance between polish and open-ness, I thought Feb 27 03:54:23 ya. sure did. Feb 27 03:54:43 like I miss using my Pre3. I'm tempted to pop out the sim every day to go back to it Feb 27 03:54:55 but lack of apps that I use really kills it for me Feb 27 03:55:11 other than the 4square app and carbon, don't get to use much more =\ Feb 27 03:56:09 bnceo: eh, well I think we need to make a wish list that people can get working on Feb 27 03:56:14 bnceo: I'm almost there, getting my ampache server up and running again has helped quell that Feb 27 03:56:24 bnceo: what is it you're missing? Feb 27 03:56:34 destinal: wish list won't help big things like zynga games or netflix, as an example Feb 27 03:57:17 summatusmentis: well netflix cant be allowed to decide what platform lives or dies, stupid proprietary locked down bs Feb 27 03:57:34 getglue, facebook app (working well), better solitaire, speedtest, better calendar, and a barcode scanner Feb 27 03:57:43 proprietary locked down bs is how much of the world works Feb 27 03:58:17 and a fix to the darn carbon app! Feb 27 03:59:09 maybe someone can build the netflix app framework and take it to them. Be like, here, we did the work. just put your proprietery info in and it's yours Feb 27 04:00:51 bnceo, no, someone already tried contacting them about that for the touchpad Feb 27 04:01:10 maybe we can reverse engineer it :) Feb 27 04:01:16 highly non-trivial though Feb 27 04:01:29 there was a response to that inquiry? or nothing? Feb 27 04:01:29 destinal, someone did, and they were in #webos a couple weeks back Feb 27 04:01:41 RagingMind: oh really? Feb 27 04:02:47 this was all the same person/group. he claimed (with a group) to have gotten a really buggy version of the drm working Feb 27 04:03:54 nice. that's worth quite a bit of bragging rights Feb 27 04:03:56 :) Feb 27 04:04:24 (and if done legally like chinese wall or whatever could be worth some money to them too) Feb 27 04:04:25 there was never any proof though Feb 27 04:04:35 I'm pretty sure you could get in serious trouble in the US too Feb 27 04:05:13 I bet somewhere in HP or Netflix there's alpha versions that they made for the touchpad before it was crapped on Feb 27 04:05:15 summatusmentis: ahhh right DMCA circumvention Feb 27 04:05:25 destinal: indeed Feb 27 04:05:45 Damn the US congress and Bill Clinton forever Feb 27 04:07:06 it's that little bit that pisses me off... I figure somewhere someone is sitting on a pile of code that'd make so many touchpad owners happy Feb 27 04:07:28 destinal: "XYZ can't be allowed to decide what platform lives or dies" is an interesting perspective. I wonder where the compelling argument for "normal consumers" is, if not apps Feb 27 04:07:37 RagingMind: the issue with releasing that then becomes support Feb 27 04:07:48 summatusmentis, Yup. I know Feb 27 04:08:01 summatusmentis: it's Freedom, right? I mean most people don't care about freedom I guess when they want convenience Feb 27 04:08:02 so I'm still a subscriber for using on my Wii Feb 27 04:08:45 but for a lot of us, there but DRM'd may as well be not there, and if everyone just treated "delivered with DRM" as "delivered broken" then the copyright cartels wouldn't run our lives Feb 27 04:09:02 the only smart phone I've had is a Pre+, so I'm not actually sure if I don't use apps because they aren't available or if I'm just not a big app user in general Feb 27 04:09:44 destinal: freedom doesn't matter to most people, at least not the kind you're talking about Feb 27 04:10:31 I'm the kind of guy though, I went out and bought a Pre once it was shown that it was trivial to get a root shell and run whatever I wanted to Feb 27 04:10:32 RagingMind: you don't hear about apps and think "man, I wish my phone could do that"? Feb 27 04:11:35 summatusmentis: but when it's my phone can technically do that but that business is using the law to prevent me, why would you want to do business with that company (in this case Netflix) Feb 27 04:12:16 honestly? if netflix could monetarily justify putting their product on webOS, they would Feb 27 04:12:32 summatusmentis: or just give permission for others to put it on there Feb 27 04:12:40 that's the "legally preventing" I mean Feb 27 04:12:42 they can't make that decision Feb 27 04:12:59 they're as beholden to your "copyright cartels" as we are Feb 27 04:13:19 some people have taken a stand, Apple with music for instance Feb 27 04:13:47 maybe it'll take a bit longer for movies Feb 27 04:13:50 Apple pretty much forced the music industries hand, if the Steve Jobs book is to be believed Feb 27 04:14:20 and ultimately, apple still hasn't done what netflix has for movies Feb 27 04:14:31 let alone done it in a drm-free way Feb 27 04:14:53 sure but now more or less all music is available non-DRM'd, and amazingly, the sky hasn't fallen, the music industry has not been obliterated. Feb 27 04:16:07 intellectually, I agree with you, there's a lot that should be changed about copyright and the music/recording industry Feb 27 04:16:21 and now things like DMCA just prevent more people from paying to download content Feb 27 04:16:41 none of that addresses the more immediate issue of "what is a platform without apps?" Feb 27 04:17:25 summatusmentis: well, you have to draw a line somewhere between "apps" and "services" Feb 27 04:18:27 like you can write great apps for webos, and any of us can start working on that, but we'll never be able to make netflix release an app for webos Feb 27 04:19:03 so I say let's focus on things besides netflix people want / need Feb 27 04:19:12 destinal: sure, let's call it "functionality" Feb 27 04:19:39 I'd love to see a shazam-esque app, and there's an open-backend for it too Feb 27 04:20:21 http://echoprint.me/ Feb 27 04:29:17 folks Feb 27 04:29:29 folk Feb 27 04:34:27 summatusmentis: ok Feb 27 04:34:50 destinal: although, that's a fair point, I think Feb 27 04:35:12 many of the things I find myself wanting are inherently dependong on someone else giving us the functionality to do it Feb 27 04:35:31 s/dependong/dependent/ Feb 27 04:35:33 summatusmentis meant: many of the things I find myself wanting are inherently dependent on someone else giving us the functionality to do it Feb 27 04:35:40 summatusmentis: yeah it sucks that a platform can be judged and found wanting based on some large company's whim Feb 27 04:36:03 I don't know how to fix that Feb 27 04:36:14 it's an interesting problem, sort of Feb 27 04:36:51 all we can do is make the best apps we can for everything we can and then leave the only gaps the stuff they should add. also to grow the user base to the point where they can't ignore it Feb 27 04:37:07 the latter seems to be the issue Feb 27 04:37:21 which again if people don't use webos because of no netflix it's a catch-22 right? Feb 27 04:37:33 if it's more than just that we can address it Feb 27 04:37:46 indeed Feb 27 04:38:02 Hmm. Not being a netflix subscriber, I guess I didn't realize it was really make-or-break for people. Feb 27 04:38:21 It has an online interface though, correct? I'm assuming they disallow the WebOS browser string? Feb 27 04:38:34 Cerealklr: it's not open standards based, has proprietary plugins Feb 27 04:38:50 oh, yick Feb 27 04:39:08 Cerealklr: I don't think it really is, Netflix by itself the make or break. there are a lot of apps we can do. Feb 27 04:39:59 Yeah, which is one of the things I find so strange. Feb 27 04:40:09 There's a large, more or less captive audience on WebOS thanks to the firesale Feb 27 04:40:16 and nobody has really capitalized upon it Feb 27 04:40:41 Cerealklr: well, firesale folks can run android as well and do, but how many actively use webos as well? probably a lot Feb 27 04:40:53 Cerealklr: it's not make or break, I'm obviously still using webOS. It's just one of the compelling things I like about other platforms Feb 27 04:40:54 I'm assuming everyone has the same excuse I do, though. (I'll get to it next week! Right now I need to (finish building computer|do homework|spend time with neglected significant other)) Feb 27 04:41:11 yeah, I have absolutely no time to be doing webOS dev Feb 27 04:41:50 I started doing a handwriting/note-taking app, and then got too busy, and lacked the proper skills Feb 27 04:41:59 Oh? Feb 27 04:42:03 Like a graffiti sort of thing? Feb 27 04:42:04 some people are doing awesome stuff, PuffTheMagic and Brybry etc with wTerm for example Feb 27 04:42:18 (props for that, by the way. I love it already) Feb 27 04:43:06 yeah I guess I hope with open webos and with spinning up more platforms we can interest more develoeprs Feb 27 04:43:10 developers even Feb 27 04:43:34 Cerealklr: no, more like a basic notebook. Ideally with after-the-fact OCR Feb 27 04:43:58 that would be nice too, though OCR is actually a lot easier with stroke velocities/vectors Feb 27 04:44:03 It's just the "webOS is dead" saying that we have to fight, the more people believe it the more it's true Feb 27 04:44:06 but that's just quibbling the details (I'm into that stuff) Feb 27 04:44:36 Cerealklr: care to expound on that? Feb 27 04:44:40 IMO in many ways webOS is just now being born Feb 27 04:45:05 If you ping me sometime tomorrow. I'd love to. Maybe we could work something out for the hackathon on the 4th? Feb 27 04:45:22 for now just light chatter. Working on wireframing a project with a team member at the moment Feb 27 04:45:23 Cerealklr: https://github.com/summatusmentis/harmony is where I put my current codebase Feb 27 04:46:10 i've saved the link Feb 27 04:46:38 "work something out for the hackathon" basically means "you do something for the hackathon", I don't have time Feb 27 04:46:50 not for a single day, huh? Feb 27 04:46:58 I'm a 1st year PhD student Feb 27 04:47:01 well, I know how that goes. Feb 27 04:47:04 so, not really :/ Feb 27 04:47:07 ouch Feb 27 04:47:53 but, it builds! :) Feb 27 04:48:04 =] Feb 27 04:48:23 It's something I've wanted for a while now on WebOS Feb 27 04:48:36 and I've been working hard to work on more FOSS latel Feb 27 04:48:37 lately* Feb 27 04:48:40 looking to get into GSOC Feb 27 04:48:48 oh yeah? for what org? Feb 27 04:48:59 not sure yet. Tentatively blender. Feb 27 04:49:13 I really love the directions they've been branching out in Feb 27 04:49:19 I did GSoC in 08 and 09 Feb 27 04:49:25 but I'll take a close look over the mentor list when it finalizes and see what's available Feb 27 04:49:29 Oh, really? How was it? Feb 27 04:49:41 it was a good experience Feb 27 04:50:25 what was your project(s)? Feb 27 04:51:00 I worked with OpenAFS both summers, first was working on a GPL kernel extension (which kicked my butt), second had to do with re-sorting of servers Feb 27 04:51:41 oh, neat! Feb 27 04:52:01 My first FOSS contrib was a kernel driver for the Sidewinder X4 Feb 27 04:52:07 that was... exciting Feb 27 04:52:29 seeing as I definitely fall on the interpreted side of the divide Feb 27 04:52:50 so adjusting to C/++ and segfaulting my system 12 times in a row debugging was exciting. Feb 27 04:52:51 hmm straighttalk saying 1.73 megabits / second. I guess I should try testing somewhere with better signal as well Feb 27 04:56:42 Cerealklr: the kernel extension ended up getting submitted to LKML, where Linus shot the whole idea down anyway :) Feb 27 04:56:57 oh? Sad. Why'd he do that? Feb 27 04:59:19 AFS uses a kernel relatively specialized interface called pioctl(), which is only used in a couple of other OSs, (there's also ioctl() which is a lot more commonly used). They don't like the ioctl() interface, on concept, but they're sorta stuck with it so they were trying to keep it from happening again Feb 27 05:01:11 if a person wanted to send an email, or otherwise contact HP, about their shitty, dysfunctional App Store (among other issues), what would be the best way to do that? Feb 27 05:01:36 as in, who should the email be sent to? Feb 27 05:02:30 makes sense, I guess. Feb 27 05:02:36 it's great that HP is 'open sourcing' their OS and all, but it is sad to think that HP is still who will be at the helm in many respects Feb 27 05:03:13 ah ok, so my straighttalk speeds are in line with evdo rev A and just a bit low for what HSDPA+ *can* do Feb 27 05:03:21 summatusmentis, there are a couple apps that I sorta wish I had on my phone, but none that I think I would use all that often Feb 27 05:03:25 does anyone have any ATT speed tests? Feb 27 05:03:54 jmichaelx: actually a lot of the key project leaders are non-HP folks Feb 27 05:04:13 or well at least one for now but the idea is for more Feb 27 05:04:21 * halfhalo has hit 7ish down on his pre3 Feb 27 05:04:42 destinal: that is great (seriously), but i imagine HP will remain in charge off the app store, etc? Feb 27 05:04:56 halfhalo: did you call ATT and have them do anything special re enabling HSDPA+stuff? Feb 27 05:05:34 Yeah, but only because I had to get a new sim for it as well. the one I got with the focus was 3g only Feb 27 05:06:02 that's one thing I can't do with straighttalk I imagine Feb 27 05:06:16 and probably why my rates will be typical 3gish Feb 27 05:06:58 I was limited to about 3ish with the old sim card, which isn't to bad Feb 27 05:07:05 still for $45/month I can't complain too much Feb 27 05:07:32 Sure you can :p Feb 27 05:07:54 I gotta remember to top of the tmo sim in the vzw pre3, that one is 30 a month for unlimited data + texts Feb 27 05:08:44 vzw pre3 is "world phone" then, eh? Feb 27 05:08:51 I guess I knew that Feb 27 05:09:09 Yeah Feb 27 05:09:09 if the app store remains totally in HP's control, webOS's chance for a future is dim Feb 27 05:09:23 ATT sim doesn't like it, but every other one I have tried does Feb 27 05:09:40 jmichaelx: well with open webOS, why would that have to be true? Feb 27 05:09:58 destinal: that is partially what i am interested in finding out Feb 27 05:10:34 it would be awesome if there could be a credible third-party app store/market/whatever Feb 27 05:10:36 I don't see why people couldn't run their own app stores or just sell apps direct on their own web sites Feb 27 05:11:39 destinal: maybe so... would be much better if that were also community -operated. HP's app store needs to die ASAP Feb 27 05:12:01 * RagingMind wishes his pre3 was vzw Feb 27 05:12:39 jmichaelx: ehh, die is a pretty strong word, especially when it has lots of third party graphical games none of us are likely to get the rights to sell Feb 27 05:13:31 the app store on the phones is a bit frustrating to use (the interface) but I actually like the one on the touchpad Feb 27 05:13:44 destinal: i did not choose the word die on a whim. the present app store is mismanaged and poorly done... Feb 27 05:13:54 and I haven't heard too much of HP killing/blocking apps Feb 27 05:14:34 plus, there sure are a lot of exceedingly shitty apps in the webOS app store Feb 27 05:14:50 so... if they aren't blocking entry into the market in any unreasonable way, I'm not sure what the problem is Feb 27 05:15:09 and all for more $$$ than is commonly charged in any other mobile app store i am familiar with Feb 27 05:15:26 jmichaelx, have you seen the android or iOS app markets? overflowing with crap apps that don't actually DO anything useful Feb 27 05:16:12 RagingMind: yes, i have seen them, and i agree... but the webOS app store is still worse, and definitely higher priced overall (by a long shot) Feb 27 05:16:26 if the difference between $0.99 and $1.99 for an app is a big deal, why are you paying for the luxury of a smart phone? Feb 27 05:17:03 the percentage of $2.99 - $4.99 apps (that are still utter shit) is mind boggling Feb 27 05:18:05 none of this will ever improve, if HP remains at the helm. Feb 27 05:18:23 you still have yet to provides a basis for that argument Feb 27 05:18:37 the app devs pick the prices Feb 27 05:19:27 yes, i have. if you have not noticed that the webOS apps are simultaneously crappier in quality, yet more expensive, you need to look around more Feb 27 05:19:33 jmichaelx: that's like, we need new governance for the web, most of it is crap Feb 27 05:19:44 destinal: no argument there Feb 27 05:20:02 I say let it all exist and let users decide what to consume Feb 27 05:20:26 jmichaelx, that's not an argument against HP Feb 27 05:20:32 destinal: i think part of the problem is that the consumers are deciding Feb 27 05:20:32 your blame is misplaced Feb 27 05:21:22 RagingMind: no, HP also plays a roll in this... plus i am also talking about the very bad implementation of their 'app store' app Feb 27 05:22:06 RagingMind: but is there a collection of bad devs also responsible for this? of course Feb 27 05:22:10 I rather like the hp catalog on the touchpad Feb 27 05:22:29 well, that is interesting to note. i don't like it very much. Feb 27 05:22:43 obviously :-) Feb 27 05:22:53 * Cerealklr wishes he had a pre3 at all. Especially a Sprint one... Hah. I just can't wait to get WebOS ported to some android HW so I can upgrade from my dying Franken-Pre+ Feb 27 05:22:55 it's functional and easy to navigate. what more could I want from a store? Feb 27 05:23:29 I miss Pivot :( Feb 27 05:24:11 RagingMind: take a look at the ratings system.... even though they continue to modify that, the numbers are wrong, and when clicking 'yes/no', half the time it takes ages for that to register, if it registers at all Feb 27 05:24:18 Cerealklr: yeah I'm in total agreement there re more phones Feb 27 05:24:51 Cerealklr: hopefully we have enough source code to do so soon Feb 27 05:25:55 if webOS does managed to get ported to some newer phones, that will be incredibly awesome Feb 27 05:26:08 manage* Feb 27 05:26:12 what excites me are the up coming intel based tablets. especially now that intel has dropped powervr for an in-house and open source supported graphics core :) Feb 27 05:26:13 Yep. When I checked the roadmap it looks like the worst case would by June, for us to have what we need Feb 27 05:37:34 summatusmentis, got any examples of harmony Feb 27 05:40:48 PuffTheMagic: not sure I understand what you mean Feb 27 05:43:17 PuffTheMagic: http://mrdoob.com/projects/harmony/ that's what the stuff in my github repo essentially is Feb 27 05:43:27 except packaged for webOS Feb 27 05:43:33 or, allows it to be Feb 27 05:46:16 PuffTheMagic: my plan was that once I got it working, then I'd switch out the background, so it looks "note-booky", and then start working on OCR Feb 27 05:46:30 because even saving as PDFs or something would be reasonable Feb 27 05:49:09 summatusmentis: hmm, save pdfs in node? or native plugin? Feb 27 05:56:00 destinal: the web browsr version saves as png, iirc Feb 27 05:56:20 ah Feb 27 05:59:46 should a person be able to get the webOS SDK working well in the most recent ubuntu version (oneiric)? Feb 27 06:04:06 jmichaelx: I would expect so Feb 27 06:04:47 destinal: sorry to ask, as the site specifies older versions Feb 27 06:05:25 jmichaelx: so long as you get sun java jre or jdk Feb 27 06:05:36 not openjdk or whatever else Feb 27 06:05:43 yea, ty Feb 27 06:08:56 summatusmentis, i cant tell what it is Feb 27 06:08:58 i need visuals Feb 27 06:12:53 ahh that one link works Feb 27 06:12:54 nice Feb 27 06:20:17 another (possibly silly) SDK question... in linux, is it necessary to use virtualbox? Feb 27 06:21:00 only for the emulator Feb 27 06:30:27 ty RagingMind Feb 27 06:34:22 Is it silly that I'm absurdly happy that I don't have to ever enter in straight talk APN stuff manually again, even if I probably spent more time on editing JSON than I would ever possibly take on entering those settings by hand times however many times I need to doctor in the foreseeable future? :) Feb 27 06:47:16 nope, not silly - just very, very unix hacker Feb 27 06:47:38 the next step is to write a script to do the editing! Feb 27 06:50:21 next silly question... i have installed palm-novacom and palm-sdk, as well as virtualbox... should that mean that i already have the emulator installed somewhere, or is there something more that needs to be downloaded? Feb 27 06:51:18 you should have it if you installed the SDK Feb 27 06:51:43 nvm... i think i got it figured out. needed to run 'palm-emulator' Feb 27 06:51:46 ty Feb 27 06:51:47 I'd take a quick look in /opt/ Feb 27 06:51:50 ah :) Feb 27 06:52:22 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/emulator.html has a quick guide if you're not already looking at it Feb 27 06:53:06 nieve: yea, that is what i have been following. there were a few details that were not clear (to me, at least), but all is well now :) Feb 27 06:53:56 emulator up and running! Feb 27 06:57:58 yay! Feb 27 06:58:03 good luck and have fun! Feb 28 02:53:15 is there any documentation on debian chroot aside from the webosinternals page? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 28 02:59:59 2012