**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 08 02:59:58 2012
Mar 08 04:25:53 <upsidedn> new at this so apologies upfront
Mar 08 04:26:08 <upsidedn> need help with Verizon frankenpre 2
Mar 08 04:39:50 <upsidedn> can anyone help witha meta doctor question?
Mar 08 04:41:02 <ka6sox> ~asktoask
Mar 08 04:41:04 <infobot> Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can.
Mar 08 04:43:00 <upsidedn> i took an unlocked GSM PRE 2 and repalced comm board from VZW pre plus
Mar 08 04:43:46 <upsidedn> Ran meta-verizon-franken-unlocked-pre2-2.1.0
Mar 08 04:44:10 <upsidedn> It worked, but I do not have VZW specific apps....mainly mobile hotspot
Mar 08 04:44:24 <upsidedn> Phone reports carrier as ROW
Mar 08 04:44:47 <upsidedn> I tried to run other Verizon specifc scripts but get a token mismatch error
Mar 08 04:44:54 <upsidedn> Any way to correct?
Mar 08 04:45:20 <upsidedn> I am hioing to get VZW 2.1, or even test 2.2.4 with VZW apps
Mar 08 04:45:42 <upsidedn> hioing = hoping
Mar 08 04:59:04 <alexcharis> pre plus running 2.1.0 on t-mobile here...what's preferred terminal?
Mar 08 05:06:00 <alexcharis> yeah, webos-internals terminal is not in my preware  .... there's xterm (which is what i use on my ubuntu laptop), but seems more complicated due to needing xecutah
Mar 08 05:08:30 <alexcharis> aaaaaand, in fact, the xterm doesn't launch from xecutah at all
Mar 08 05:10:47 <jcsullins> alexcharis: wTerm might be what you want
Mar 08 05:12:44 <alexcharis> jcsullins, kthx
Mar 08 05:30:04 <alexcharis> jcsullins: does wTerm normally take a looooong time to load (on the first load?)
Mar 08 05:30:40 <jcsullins> don't recall that
Mar 08 05:31:35 <wrea> shouldnt
Mar 08 05:32:21 <alexcharis> hmm...any other recommendations for my 2.1.0 gsm pre plus?
Mar 08 05:33:42 <alexcharis> aaaaand, yeah. terminus also just hangs
Mar 08 05:35:50 <alexcharis> so i'm 0/3 on terminals on this thing...is SDL terminal worth looking into?
Mar 08 05:36:36 <ka6sox> the only thing I think that has a chance of working other than xterm is wTerm
Mar 08 05:45:52 <bhuey> hey ka6sox
Mar 08 05:48:57 <alexcharis> ka6sox: yeah, it just pulses
Mar 08 05:49:41 <alexcharis> it=wterm
Mar 08 05:49:45 <alexcharis> i'm trying xterm again
Mar 08 05:50:15 <alexcharis> and that'll be a nope
Mar 08 05:55:19 <alexcharis> well, i'm willing to work on that, but not starting at 1am...feel free to contact me if you want a contributor
Mar 08 06:11:11 <alexcharis> anyone else getting 404 on systoolsmgr?
Mar 08 06:11:32 <rwhitby> alexcharis: yeah, that's the developer's fault
Mar 08 06:11:37 <rwhitby> apparently he is fixing it soon
Mar 08 06:11:38 <alexcharis> thx
Mar 08 06:11:58 <alexcharis> rwhitby: any thoughts on terminals?
Mar 08 06:12:05 <rwhitby> you can download it manually from webosnation and install the package with preware manually
Mar 08 06:12:16 <alexcharis> oh, yeah...good thought
Mar 08 06:12:25 <alexcharis> willdo
Mar 08 06:12:32 <rwhitby> xterm works on everything, wTerm works on many things.  Everything else is broken on most things.
Mar 08 06:12:43 <alexcharis> i can't get xterm to start at all
Mar 08 06:13:11 <alexcharis> just flashes black for less than 1 second and nothing else
Mar 08 06:13:22 <rwhitby> how did you install it?
Mar 08 06:13:28 <alexcharis> preware
Mar 08 06:13:35 <rwhitby> you're running xecutah?
Mar 08 06:13:39 <alexcharis> y
Mar 08 06:13:46 <rwhitby> tried a reboot?
Mar 08 06:13:50 <alexcharis> yeah, starting it from within xecutah
Mar 08 06:13:53 <alexcharis> yes, rebooted
Mar 08 06:13:56 <alexcharis> will do again if you like
Mar 08 06:14:16 <rwhitby> dunno then.  haven't heard of it being broken.
Mar 08 06:14:32 <alexcharis> i'll see if i can find logs or something...that
Mar 08 06:14:35 <rwhitby> try uninstalling xterm, xserver and xecutah, then rebooting, then reinstalling one at a time.
Mar 08 06:14:37 <alexcharis> will have to be t/m
Mar 08 06:14:44 <alexcharis> ok, will do that
Mar 08 06:16:18 <alexcharis> by the way, thanks for all you've done with this thing and all the posts you've written...helps a lot
Mar 08 06:19:57 <rwhitby> you're welcome
Mar 08 06:20:02 <alexcharis> uninstalled
Mar 08 06:20:04 <alexcharis> rebooted
Mar 08 06:20:19 <alexcharis> (wTerm still won't start up past pulsing)
Mar 08 06:20:29 <alexcharis> preferred order to install in?
Mar 08 06:20:36 <rwhitby> what device is this?
Mar 08 06:20:43 <alexcharis> pre plus
Mar 08 06:20:46 <alexcharis> 2.1.0
Mar 08 06:20:49 <alexcharis> t-mobile
Mar 08 06:21:01 <rwhitby> wTerm may not work. dunno.
Mar 08 06:21:24 <rwhitby> install xserver, then xterm, then xecutah.  wait some seconds between each.
Mar 08 06:21:30 <alexcharis> whoops
Mar 08 06:23:29 <summatusmentis> wTerm works ok on my pre2 2.1.x
Mar 08 06:24:00 <alexcharis> hmm...interesting. summatusmentis
Mar 08 06:25:31 <rwhitby> alexcharis: I wonder if your device has a deeper issue.
Mar 08 06:25:50 <rwhitby> read-only cryptofs or some other such weird state
Mar 08 06:27:36 <alexcharis> drwxrwxrwx    4 root     root         32768 Mar  8 01:24 cryptofs
Mar 08 06:27:44 <alexcharis> other ideas?
Mar 08 06:29:55 <rwhitby> nope
Mar 08 06:31:04 <alexcharis> ok, server, then term, then xecutah installed with ~10 seconds between each
Mar 08 06:31:09 <alexcharis> (after 2 reboots)
Mar 08 06:31:20 <alexcharis> now...attempting launch from xecutah
Mar 08 06:31:42 <alexcharis> nope
Mar 08 06:32:56 <alexcharis> so, just noticed this...in xecutah, is there supposed to be a 'start x server' option?  i only see a 'start xterm'
Mar 08 06:35:17 <alexcharis> ok, so i've got to bite it for the night.  who do i get in contact with to get involved on this?
Mar 08 06:36:30 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> wow soon I might not even need android on my touchpad
Mar 08 06:36:54 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> but are the android apps going to be just emulated?
Mar 08 06:37:27 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> they should have no problem running native since both android and webos use linux kernels
Mar 08 06:38:22 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I worry because if their just emulated then I can only do basic things on it
Mar 08 06:38:42 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> if it is native i could do games etc
Mar 08 06:43:24 <alexcharis> rwhitby: xterm contact in your team?
Mar 08 06:44:35 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> so what do y'all think will the android apps be emulated or native?
Mar 08 06:47:00 <alexcharis> nope...falling asleep.  my email is not hard to find, and i'll be back in here later today
Mar 08 06:50:39 <rwhitby> alexcharis: there is no start x server option - it's now done automatically
Mar 08 06:55:54 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> hey rwhitby
Mar 08 06:56:23 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> do you think the android apps in webos will be emulated or native?
Mar 08 07:03:50 <SoulShadow> he left before i could say 'useless'
Mar 08 07:03:51 <SoulShadow> :(
Mar 08 10:09:24 <cvdm> I have a feeling this might be a silly thing to share here, but considering the documentation for Xserver still claims it's not possible...
Mar 08 10:09:55 <cvdm> Shift+Space appears to generate an Esc, at least in irssi, vi, and finch
Mar 08 10:11:17 <cvdm> I realize I'm probably not the only person that's figured this out, but eh, figured it couldn't hurt to share.
Mar 08 10:12:52 <cvdm> If it matters, Pre2 NA-unlocked, webOS 2.2.4, Xecutah 0.7.3, Xserver 0.7.7
Mar 08 10:16:46 <cvdm> Also worth noting, Xserver 0.7.7 seems to have some difficulties in picking up the outer edges of the screen by maybe...10-15 px.
Mar 08 10:17:01 <cvdm> Didn't observe this in 0.7.6
Mar 08 11:53:10 <YeahRight> rwhitby : when i try to run tailor i got a white screen only..nothing else..got any idea maybe?
Mar 08 20:40:06 <jcsullins> just discovered a little bit of open-source webOS code (not on opensource.palm.com or from the Open webOS releases)
Mar 08 20:40:10 <jcsullins> http://sourceforge.net/projects/resizefat/
Mar 08 20:41:39 <bhuey> hey jcsullins
Mar 08 20:42:02 <jcsullins> hey
Mar 08 20:42:09 * bhuey hates vfat
Mar 08 20:42:16 <bhuey> ext4 babe
Mar 08 20:42:42 <jcsullins> yep, agree
Mar 08 20:42:55 <bhuey> with extents enabled
Mar 08 21:50:41 <destinal> javispedro: hey there!!   been a while..
Mar 08 21:50:54 <javispedro> heya destinal
Mar 08 21:51:03 <destinal> javispedro: have you been tracking the Open webOS stuff?
Mar 08 21:51:14 <javispedro> been playing with enyo1
Mar 08 21:51:30 <javispedro> so far nothing of much interest to me (but I do know a few qt guys that are already looking at stuff)
Mar 08 21:52:12 <destinal> javispedro: I was thinking the N9 might be a good target for open webos actually
Mar 08 21:53:11 <javispedro> well, I will certainly give it a try, once Luna stuff and how to do a "hardware abstraction layer" if anything appears
Mar 08 21:53:58 <destinal> javispedro: what was the N9 with the keyboard on it? 950?  is that available anywhere?
Mar 08 21:54:17 <javispedro> nope
Mar 08 21:54:31 <destinal> :(
Mar 08 21:54:55 <destinal> not eager to leave the keyboard behind but it seems like most of the phones with good hardware these days are touchscreen only
Mar 08 21:57:26 <javispedro> well, I had to leave resistive screens already :(
Mar 08 21:59:28 <summatusmentis> destinal: I'm with you on not eager to leave hardware keyboards, but the webOS 3.0 keyboard seems like a reasonable replacement
Mar 08 22:00:43 <who_> Does anyone know where I can find the documentation for the backup option in metadoctor?
Mar 08 22:07:26 <destinal> does anyone know when novacom source is supposed to be released this month?
Mar 08 22:07:50 <summatusmentis> "this month"
Mar 08 22:08:00 <summatusmentis> if last month was any indication, I'd assume near the end
Mar 08 22:08:12 <destinal> yeah, seems probably
Mar 08 22:08:24 <destinal> s/bly/ble/
Mar 08 22:08:26 <infobot> destinal meant: yeah, seems probable
Mar 08 22:21:47 <PatrickC> hows it goin destinal?
Mar 08 22:21:54 <PatrickC> been a while
Mar 09 00:27:45 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> hey
Mar 09 00:28:29 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I was wondering with the whole android apps on webos do you think they'd be emulated or native?
Mar 09 00:32:04 <jcsullins> what 'android apps on webos' are you talking about?
Mar 09 00:32:47 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> OpenMobile
Mar 09 00:32:57 <jcsullins> never heard of it
Mar 09 00:33:11 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I think it could be possible since webos and android are both linux forks
Mar 09 00:33:15 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> http://liliputing.com/2012/03/openmobile-could-bring-android-apps-to-webos-phones-tablets.html
Mar 09 00:35:46 <jcsullins> I note use of 'reportedly', 'eventually' and 'one day' alot in that article ... so, who knows
Mar 09 00:36:11 <ruumis> most people who want android apps on their touchpads have gone the CM9 route
Mar 09 00:36:22 <ruumis> myself included
Mar 09 00:36:42 <ruumis> but i like having the dual boot setup
Mar 09 00:37:08 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I know just thought it would be cool not having a boot into android all the time
Mar 09 00:38:02 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> is there a way to triple boot android CM9, CM7, and webos?
Mar 09 00:38:41 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> my only issue surrounding CM9 is that the graphics code isn't quite there
Mar 09 00:39:40 <ruumis> hardware accelerated video works now
Mar 09 00:40:28 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> yeah video not games
Mar 09 00:41:00 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I just tried to run the Captain America game and it looks like crap
Mar 09 00:54:41 <destinal> ruumis: webos !=  only touchpad
Mar 09 00:54:56 <ruumis> of course
Mar 09 00:56:00 <destinal> assuming open webos really takes off, if they can sell a product for it for running android apps I think a lot of people would buy it
Mar 09 00:56:43 <destinal> some people aren;t thrilled about running android as their main OS but would like a few apps they can't get yet natively or whatever
Mar 09 01:05:39 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I would like ti know if the android apps could run natively
Mar 09 02:00:40 <PatrickC> LarrySteeze, ping?
Mar 09 02:53:42 <bhuey> destinal: what about Android and the Chrome Beta browser they have ? isn't it the same thing ?
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