**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 10 02:59:58 2012 Mar 10 03:15:50 what change? Mar 10 03:33:19 hey Mar 10 03:54:52 App Catalog change: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19726 Mar 10 05:08:26 "future projects" always interesting Mar 10 05:37:39 ahhh. Mar 10 05:38:09 I don't actuallyt write code for webos, even thugh I'm technically signed up as a dev... I just never got around to learning what to do with too much stuff at work. Mar 10 14:34:54 Hello? Mar 10 14:37:22 Well I am going to ask, if I switch a comm board out on a pre2, to have a pre2 on sprint, will I be able to use touch to share with my pre2? Mar 10 14:43:38 i dont know what a comm board is, but only pre3 and veer are compatible to TTS (hardware) Mar 10 14:46:57 well I was reading and someone was saying webOS 2.2 and up can use it, and it also said that the pre2 got an update for it. so I guess that must have been a rumor Mar 10 14:47:11 are thre Mar 10 14:47:48 are there any patches for the pre- or pre2 to enable this over Bluetooth? Mar 10 14:48:13 no, they dont have the hardware Mar 10 14:48:17 TTS is not just bluetooth Mar 10 14:49:32 I understand, I won't be able to put the phone on the TP to share, but I was wondering if there was any patches to use just straight BT Mar 10 14:50:37 i dont understand what you mean. you mean the "share" function without "touch"? Mar 10 14:52:39 well the coil or the hardware you are talking about allow for the touchpad or the phone to detect one or the other. That allows you to put the phone on the TP. The share part uses bluetooth. Mar 10 14:53:21 TTS is Touch To Share, right? Mar 10 14:53:28 yep Mar 10 14:54:09 Okay, I was making sure that wasn't a protocol or a chip or something else, lol Mar 10 14:54:33 ok, you mean only the bluetooth-part. i didnt hear anything about that, so i think its not possible... but not 100% sure Mar 10 14:54:35 hehe :D Mar 10 14:55:48 Well I am pretty sure it is possible, just a lot of work. I am sure on older devices you have to modify some internal work, then patch the touch pad Mar 10 14:56:25 I wouldn't be surprised if something came out in the future. Mar 10 14:56:56 the bluetooth-part of webos is not opensource, so you dont canT patch anything you want ;) Mar 10 14:57:15 yeah in the future... with open webos :) Mar 10 14:57:29 -T Mar 10 14:58:15 anything is possible. Mar 10 14:59:38 sure, it just make no sense as long as it is closedsource Mar 10 15:00:03 we could re-write the drivers, who makes the BT chip? Mar 10 15:00:26 i dont know Mar 10 15:00:56 bummer, do you kn9w anything about the facebook app on the TP? Mar 10 15:01:04 know* Mar 10 15:02:01 i'm using it sometimes, thats all ;) Mar 10 15:03:12 do have any problems with it hanging on start? Mar 10 15:03:46 yep, it happens from time to time Mar 10 15:03:51 restart helps Mar 10 15:04:01 the app, not TP ;) Mar 10 15:04:11 mine happens all the time, is there any solution for it? Mar 10 15:04:36 yeah, mine just hangs there. Mar 10 15:05:29 uhm, i dont know - sorry. doesnt use it often so its ok for me... maybe search on the forums, i'm sure there is a thread for that Mar 10 15:06:28 I have to looked, no luck. I might just have dig deeper. Can I ask one more question? Mar 10 15:06:53 as long as the app works better than the smartphone app its ok for me ;) Mar 10 15:07:00 you can ask anything you want ;) Mar 10 15:08:40 lol, do you know of any writing apps, like using my finger or a stylus to write notes, not typing? Mar 10 15:09:30 If not, I think it would be cool to write one, but if one exists, then I would rather use that. Mar 10 15:09:40 nope, sorry Mar 10 15:10:00 but that doestn mean there isnt any Mar 10 15:10:03 ;) Mar 10 15:10:07 bummer, also has anyone put linux on the TP? Mar 10 15:10:26 Yeah I know, but I can't find one.. Mar 10 15:11:59 linux? nope. not me Mar 10 15:13:53 Well I know Arch has multiple Processor support, so I wax just wondering if someone has compiled it for the TP Mar 10 15:14:52 yep, arch and ubuntu runs on TP Mar 10 15:15:52 No way? I am going to have to check that out! Would you know of any project website for that? Mar 10 15:16:01 (in a changeroot, not nativ i think) Mar 10 15:16:31 a what? Mar 10 15:16:58 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Mar 10 15:18:04 (i've heard something similar with archlinux, but not sure if there was something done yet) Mar 10 15:20:23 so is this a ubuntu card? not booting into ubuntu? Mar 10 15:20:33 right Mar 10 15:20:54 so you can start ubuntu "apps" in webos Mar 10 15:22:40 that is kinda cool. so I could find a ubuntu writing program and use the ubuntu card to that. Mar 10 15:22:45 use^ Mar 10 15:25:03 yep Mar 10 15:26:26 hmm, very cool Mar 10 15:31:48 hey is there android card, like ubuntu but with android? Mar 10 19:23:58 hi, i just installed preware on my palm pre plus, but when i try to install anything, a message comes up which says restart required, this is during installation, i pressed it but when it restarted preware wouldn't load and i had to restart my phone, once it worked again, i tried to install another app and the same thing happened... Mar 10 21:31:33 anyone here using a Pre2 on T-Mobile in the US? Mar 10 21:42:02 ka6sox: yes Mar 10 21:48:14 EricBlade, are you satisfied with it? Mar 10 21:50:26 the data service really sucks 90% of the time Mar 10 22:02:53 EricBlade: you can't use 3G on TMO with pre2, can you? Mar 10 22:14:49 no, you can't Mar 10 22:15:02 since I only care about Low BW usage I"m okay with that. Mar 10 22:15:16 email, messaging. Mar 10 22:15:24 screens are too small for my old eyes to use Mar 10 22:17:06 for webbie stuffs. Mar 10 22:19:13 even Pre3 is too small. Mar 10 22:19:14 whenever i've been outside the detroit area, though, it's usually ok Mar 10 22:19:28 madison, chicago, kalamazoo, all good. detroit, bad Mar 10 22:19:33 so its only Detroit Sucks? Mar 10 22:19:37 ah, okay Mar 10 22:19:53 does skype run on a Pre2? Mar 10 22:20:02 * ka6sox hasn't kept up with this stuff. Mar 10 22:20:30 with 2.2.4 Mar 10 22:20:37 here's what i usually get in detroit: http://speedtest.net/result/1632858131.png Mar 10 22:20:47 define "run on" Mar 10 22:20:56 there's no skype app Mar 10 22:21:02 but it is a synergy account option Mar 10 22:21:53 okay I got a Pre2 that I am thinking about putting on t-mo as I don't like ATT. Mar 10 22:22:08 I drowned my old crackberry and need a "new" phone. Mar 10 22:22:23 it wasn't waterproof to 12 feet. Mar 10 22:23:30 hated that phone anyways. Mar 10 22:27:23 and didnt want to get a sucky Droid thingy with 256MB of RAM and Android 1.5 :P Mar 10 22:28:45 that's your optoin? android 1.5? Mar 10 22:29:50 it *was* with Nextel. Mar 10 22:29:55 but I am dumping them. Mar 10 22:30:09 since it will be gone in 12-18months. Mar 10 22:30:40 been playing with a GN but its still not webOS. Mar 10 22:33:25 and my Wife is using the Pre3 I have. Mar 10 22:38:55 why do you have a Pre3 in the kitchen? Mar 10 22:38:57 * EricBlade ducks Mar 10 22:40:10 wife saw pre3 when I brought it home, went and got Pre2 she was using and said "Can you make this (pre2) into this(pre3)"? Mar 10 22:40:44 so I have a Pre2 I can use. Mar 10 22:41:16 You could always try it out. I picked up a $30 unlimited data prepaid deal Mar 10 22:41:35 so did I...got the SIM last night. Mar 10 22:41:48 the problem is that I need to get my OLD number working again. Mar 10 22:42:11 but if I don't like it (or it doesn't work where I need it to) I don't want to have to move my number *again*. Mar 10 22:49:48 EricBlade, so there's you and dawm that are in the Detroit area? How many other Michiganders are hiding in here? (I'm in the UP) Mar 10 22:52:59 i know Connor (the original Voogle guy) and the "Under Clouds Games" guy are west siders Mar 10 22:54:23 I was actually just down in the det area last weekend looking around at neighborhoods Mar 10 22:55:10 there should be a detroit webOS users/developers group... DWUG? :) Mar 10 22:57:09 looking at them.. for what? Mar 10 22:58:48 the bf and I will probably be moving down there in about a year. depends on if he gets accepted to the program he wants Mar 10 23:00:54 hey Mar 10 23:01:41 * bhuey has one of the rare Verizon Pre 3s Mar 10 23:01:47 works great Mar 10 23:03:25 well it'd be nice to have more webos people around, i can't imagine a very good reason for coming to the detroit area Mar 10 23:04:00 1997 when i did it was different Mar 10 23:04:57 bhuey: :| Mar 10 23:05:34 bhuey: how's things going? finding a new place to work, or taking some time off? Mar 10 23:13:31 yeah talked to an early start up Friday in Menlo Park, it's hard core operating systems work but I don't know if their idea is practical or not Mar 10 23:13:52 resumes have been sent out but interviews haven't followed yet it'll take some time Mar 10 23:14:02 im thinking of adding bluetooth SPP support to wTerm :D Mar 10 23:14:25 yeah the sooner they release the sources the sooner folks can get at fixing some of those bugs in Pre 3 and stuff Mar 10 23:14:59 but the biggest single piece that needs to happen where they still have an engineering staff is getting the QtWebKit project going, it's the single most important project now Mar 10 23:23:43 one would think that they actually had it operating in house before putting it out, but it kind of doesn't look like it Mar 10 23:24:18 at least to a casual observer. and rod hasn't said boo that i've seen about it other than "we don't have all the pieces" Mar 10 23:24:48 and that's not meant to be a disparaging comment, just stating Mar 10 23:28:10 EricBlade, i say that the webkit release is a sign of whats to come Mar 10 23:31:04 PuffTheMagic, SPP output or input? Mar 10 23:32:49 both Mar 10 23:33:09 sorta like a serial/bt terminal Mar 10 23:33:43 figured it would be an easy way to debug my arduino powered coffee roaster Mar 10 23:33:54 ... I guess that makes sense with it being a 2 way thing Mar 10 23:35:06 RagingMind, were you thinking of some other behavior? Mar 10 23:42:23 I was thinking either using the bt dongle on my computer to have a wireless (non ssh) terminal on my pre or using my pre to connect to a BT-serial adapter that I have and use on my router Mar 10 23:44:52 my brain is kinda scattered today from lack of sleep Mar 10 23:45:22 RagingMind, well that would work actually Mar 10 23:45:27 once they are paired Mar 10 23:45:41 u might have a new device in /dev/ Mar 10 23:45:47 if u run getty on it Mar 10 23:45:59 that might work Mar 10 23:46:13 im not sure i havent played with spp much yet Mar 10 23:46:26 I know with bluez there's the rfcomm devices that show up, but never been sure how bt is handled in webos Mar 10 23:46:54 so u are saying u get something like /dev/rfcomm1 Mar 10 23:48:26 cause if that is the case this would be easy Mar 10 23:48:37 the webos bluetooth api is pretty straight forward Mar 10 23:49:43 on a regular linux box with the bluez bt stack I do. Mar 10 23:50:00 sweet Mar 10 23:50:17 does that exists before devices are paired or after Mar 10 23:51:06 RagingMind, but just so u know this wont work on the pre Mar 10 23:51:14 unless it has webos 2.0 or greater on it Mar 10 23:52:05 I've had 2.1 on my pre+ since the test meta-doc scripts were being worked on :P Mar 10 23:52:31 i wasnt sure if u had a - or + Mar 10 23:52:39 ah Mar 10 23:52:51 what version of webos do u have Mar 10 23:53:04 cause wterm is only stable on the latest 2.x version it hink Mar 10 23:53:06 2.1 on my pre+ and 2.2.4 on my pre3 Mar 10 23:53:07 2.1 is fail Mar 10 23:53:17 u cant get 2.2? Mar 10 23:53:22 on the + Mar 10 23:53:43 I've been tempted to try, but being my main phone at the moment I've been afraid of borking it Mar 10 23:54:02 arent there scripts for it? Mar 10 23:54:02 the meta pre+ 2.2.4 scripts are SOOOO tempting... Mar 10 23:54:30 well the thing is, 2.1 has this annoying bug that causes plugins to crash when they are resized Mar 10 23:54:41 so if u get a notifications Mar 10 23:54:43 boom Mar 10 23:55:03 and def no rotating Mar 10 23:55:10 yeah... I noticed that :( (in the middle of some ssh-ing) Mar 10 23:55:14 lol Mar 10 23:55:25 i might be able to fix the height some how Mar 10 23:55:34 or Mar 10 23:55:36 actually Mar 10 23:55:39 force fullscreen Mar 10 23:55:49 which gets right of the annoying header and rounded corners Mar 10 23:56:01 and fix the height Mar 10 23:56:04 that might work Mar 10 23:58:35 with bluez when you add an rfcomm device to the configs you get a mostly useless dev entry, the actual connection doesn't have to be made yet. then when you open it (say with minicom) there's an attempt to connect to the device Mar 10 23:59:16 *mostly useless unless you have the thing you're trying to connect on-hand Mar 11 00:06:31 right Mar 11 00:06:43 but if it exists before the device is there u could run getty on it Mar 11 00:06:45 i think Mar 11 00:07:05 which is the important part if want a bt terminal Mar 11 00:15:30 PuffTheMagic: a sign of what's to come? ie, everything will be missing parts? Mar 11 00:16:50 general halfassedness Mar 11 00:49:43 I think you can read from it before there's a connection but writing to it fails Mar 11 02:25:17 EricBlade, its no worse on t-mo than on nextel for speed. Mar 11 02:25:25 and considerably cheaper. Mar 11 02:30:51 well, that's good Mar 11 02:47:29 missing parts? you guys must be talking about qtwebkit and the new open webos :-\ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 11 02:59:58 2012