**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 02:59:58 2012 Mar 13 03:58:23 so i'm trying to run meta-doctor on my pre2 but i can't get it to recognize the usb Mar 13 03:58:27 any ideas??? Mar 13 04:07:45 nevermind, i'm an idiot **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 09:48:18 2012 Mar 13 10:04:18 morning Mar 13 13:22:46 trying to build isis for linux desktop Mar 13 14:28:38 I want isis for webOS mobile >_> Mar 13 14:29:53 someone had it running on fedora Mar 13 14:30:41 what does Isis on desktop linux get us that other webkit browsers don't? Mar 13 14:30:57 a chance to see how it is Mar 13 14:45:52 i'm stuck in qt4 compilation :/ Mar 13 14:46:19 something with freetype Mar 13 15:23:04 so... I have printing from my touchpad to my cups server working, but it's kind of an ugly hack Mar 13 15:47:01 swisstomcat: I've gotten that far twice (once with vanilla qt4, once with the isis fork) Mar 13 15:47:40 i'm still stuck Mar 13 15:47:47 i found out a workaround Mar 13 15:47:56 but then it fails to compile something else Mar 13 15:48:15 LUNA_STAGING=/opt/isis ./palm-desktop-configure Mar 13 15:48:27 make -j2 and make install worked for me ... what's the first error you saw? Mar 13 15:49:10 something with ftheader.h not found Mar 13 15:49:56 and now lots of errors when compiling qfontengine_ft.cpp Mar 13 15:50:05 might be related Mar 13 15:50:15 hmm, it should be picking that up from the included freetype lib Mar 13 15:50:33 yeah, i had to add a symbolic link to make that work Mar 13 15:50:38 freetype -> freetype2 Mar 13 15:50:57 what platform are you building on? Mar 13 15:51:58 ubuntu 11.10 x64 Mar 13 15:52:14 I'm building on a 64-bit linux, from commit 763beb99799e90b9c3bbec37f703f496e096579d ... the only local change I have is undoing palm's forcing to 32-bit Mar 13 15:52:31 since I'm trying to build a 64-bit native rather than dealing with the 32-bit crossover Mar 13 15:54:44 i'm stuck in make install Mar 13 15:55:05 oh that's weird... by the time it's at make install it should be done compiling Mar 13 15:57:01 did you see this document? https://github.com/isis-project/qt4/wiki/Qt-4.8-on-Ubuntu-11.10-64-bit-build-mini-how-to Mar 13 15:58:32 ah, right .. it fails at make Mar 13 15:58:33 no... Mar 13 15:58:40 when did that show up? Mar 13 16:01:29 not sure Mar 13 16:01:58 a month ago according to github Mar 13 16:04:45 that is missing some dependencies last I checked Mar 13 16:04:57 what, like the compiler itself? ;) Mar 13 16:07:53 running make, let's see how far i get Mar 13 16:15:24 crap Mar 13 16:15:26 "painting/qwindowsurface_raster.cpp:101:12: error: ‘class QRasterWindowSurfacePrivate’ has no member named ‘needsSync’" Mar 13 16:17:31 hmm, bug? https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-23320?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:worklog-tabpanel Mar 13 16:18:56 hmm, mine has the typo Mar 13 16:19:04 and still compiled Mar 13 16:19:05 mine too Mar 13 16:19:07 odd? Mar 13 16:19:24 w00t? i corrected the typo and it still fails Mar 13 16:19:41 #ifdef Q_WS_X11 Mar 13 16:19:42 #ifndef QT_NO_XRENDER Mar 13 16:19:47 #endif Mar 13 16:19:48 #ifndef QT_NO_MITHSM Mar 13 16:19:56 I wish they'd indent their ifdefs Mar 13 16:20:04 I must not have Q_WS_X11 defined Mar 13 16:20:54 actually, I may not have built the gui Mar 13 16:22:11 so... my original vanilla 4.0.8 install was just ./configure and worked (presumably didn't have this bug) and built ok... the isis qt4 I built using palm-desktop-configure appears to only build the libs and tools Mar 13 16:23:01 i had the same error with the isis qt4 Mar 13 16:23:31 and so perhaps didn't even compile that src/gui/painting/... Mar 13 16:24:07 this is no fun Mar 13 16:36:11 anyone in here familiar with snmpd? Mar 13 16:37:06 ... on webos? Mar 13 16:37:51 sorta... webos 3 uses snmp to detect if a printer is compatible Mar 13 16:39:21 I have snmpd on my print server sending out values to the TP to make it think that the server is a HP printer, but I really don't like how it's set up Mar 13 16:41:12 I had to open up access to a ton of information about my computer to my local network. which isn't a big problem for me, but it's not something I'm gonna put in the wiki till I get this worked out Mar 13 16:45:55 oh, I see... Mar 13 16:47:46 though the rest of this really isn't an elegant solution to printing either Mar 13 16:54:13 * dwc- doesn't print, and thus doesn't have this problem ;) Mar 13 16:58:42 I didn't print... cause I couldn't till now Mar 13 18:59:19 well this is odd, the Tools/Scripts/build-webkit --webos I used before doesn't seem to be there anymore? Mar 13 18:59:36 or it's not working at all, one of the two... will have to investigate later Mar 13 19:22:06 dwc: we should use the nokia qt libaries until the isis ones are fixed Mar 13 19:50:24 which means follow the instructions "Build Qt 4.8 with QPA" at https://github.com/isis-project/isis-browser/wiki/Build-Isis-Browser-on-Linux Mar 13 19:50:28 trying that now Mar 13 20:04:58 Out of curiosity, has anybody here used the SDL libraries with the Pixi Plus? I've read something about them being broken in 1.4.5. Mar 13 20:05:29 folks Mar 13 20:32:22 swisstomcat: not sure I like that set of build instructions Mar 13 20:32:43 I don't want to replace my system binaries, and I don't want to have to start a VM Mar 13 20:33:27 I don't get it though, why are they building qt, and then building stock qt Mar 13 20:35:24 https://github.com/srikumar-b suggests the last editor works for HP too ... so why can't they just get that merged? Mar 13 20:55:56 dwc: i've built the nokia qt and that one worke Mar 13 20:55:57 d Mar 13 20:56:28 i'm now into building webkit but that fails Mar 13 20:56:31 surprise Mar 13 20:57:59 the paths seem off or maybe they're using different ones for staging Mar 13 21:14:22 Morning Mar 13 21:15:34 hi rwhitby Mar 13 21:15:55 reposted from #webos (in the right place): has anyone build an application with a python backend? someone released a python API for Google Music Mar 13 21:31:11 hey rwhitby Mar 13 21:44:14 summatusmentis: you can install pytoh Mar 13 21:44:17 *python Mar 13 21:44:35 with ipkg but I have no idea if you can connect to Enyo/mojo Mar 13 21:45:20 right, that's sort of the question. I suppose you could have a C plugin-shim that interfaces with python, in theory Mar 13 21:45:54 but that's really hacky Mar 13 21:51:06 what do u want the python to do? Mar 13 21:51:21 i've been thinking about implementing some python bindings too Mar 13 21:51:37 oh u said google music, so a plugin or service you would want to make i take it Mar 13 21:51:37 hey PuffTheMagic Mar 13 21:51:46 well python service would be easy peasy Mar 13 21:52:05 python plugin would require wrapping the remote adapter library Mar 13 21:52:15 s/library/code/headers whatever Mar 13 21:52:19 which we dont have yet :( Mar 13 21:52:22 bhuey, hye Mar 13 21:52:23 hey Mar 13 21:52:29 sorry about the job news Mar 13 21:54:10 libpythong! Mar 13 21:54:15 s/g// Mar 13 21:54:15 dwc- meant: libpython! Mar 13 21:56:45 dwc-, no that would not help Mar 13 21:57:07 something like ctypes or shiboken would do the trick though Mar 13 21:57:18 PuffTheMagic: indeed Mar 13 21:57:20 PuffTheMagic: the new sexy is cython Mar 13 21:57:32 shiboken might be more flexible though Mar 13 21:57:49 shiboken is good if u need C++ bindings Mar 13 21:58:46 basically I want enyo access to https://github.com/simon-weber/Unofficial-Google-Music-API Mar 13 21:59:12 i've used swing before Mar 13 21:59:17 err Mar 13 21:59:19 swig Mar 13 21:59:26 that is way easier to use that shiboken Mar 13 21:59:33 swig and ctypes are both deprecated. Mar 13 21:59:33 but it fails at stuff like callbacks Mar 13 21:59:47 if shiboken isn't simple use cython. Mar 13 21:59:58 I've only attempted to package shiboken Mar 13 22:00:23 cython is for extentions Mar 13 22:00:29 swig/shiboken is for bindings Mar 13 22:00:57 different approaches Mar 13 22:01:03 you write the binding. Mar 13 22:01:17 :P Mar 13 22:01:18 that is such a waste Mar 13 22:01:30 of time Mar 13 22:02:20 sounds as annoying as using shiboken Mar 13 22:02:42 summatusmentis, anyway, if u want to make a service, that can be done easily **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 22:04:37 2012 Mar 13 22:05:14 PuffTheMagic: wait, what's the difference between services and plugins? Mar 13 22:05:42 service for the most part run all the time and 1 instance handles calls from multiple apps Mar 13 22:05:59 plugins are multiple instances Mar 13 22:06:05 and only run when the calling app is open Mar 13 22:06:34 ah Mar 13 22:09:20 PuffTheMagic: happens man Mar 13 22:09:42 I'm not worried about the job market per se it's hot right now. I'm just bummed about what's going on with Palm Mar 13 22:10:40 bhuey, is it imploding on its self? Mar 13 22:18:38 Hmm Mar 13 22:19:08 just the layoffs, hard to see all of those folks go Mar 13 22:20:29 bhuey, maybe they let everyone go so you all can go to other phone companies and make webos devices :D Mar 13 22:22:00 I wish they had released the kernel sources earlier Mar 13 22:22:22 I learned a very hard lesson many years ago with FOSS development Mar 13 22:22:26 release early and often Mar 13 22:22:31 don't be perfect Mar 13 22:23:02 since my generally attitude towards programming was to make perfect code that really hurt my development progress with various projects in Linux kernel Mar 13 22:23:14 I'm a very top-down person in that regard Mar 13 22:23:25 I like working with an elegant idea and work that downwards Mar 13 22:23:40 in FOSS almost the opposite is what is successful Mar 13 22:23:50 for the vast majority of code that's is produced Mar 13 22:36:15 release early and often Mar 13 22:36:21 right Mar 13 22:36:22 not really what's happening at the moment Mar 13 22:36:32 in that regard the HP delay of the release of the kernel code is fatal Mar 13 22:36:36 or really bad Mar 13 22:37:06 i thought they wanted to release the linux standard kernel Mar 13 22:37:20 they should release the internal kernel git repo Mar 13 22:37:31 because there are legacy device that need to be updated Mar 13 22:37:36 including Pre 3 and TouchPad Mar 13 22:37:40 right Mar 13 22:37:47 I thought they released all the kernel stuff? Mar 13 22:37:50 but couldn't those drivers be added to the lsk? Mar 13 22:37:56 I don't know ask rwhitby Mar 13 22:38:00 oh, the closed source drivers Mar 13 22:38:03 ? Mar 13 22:38:23 there was a lot of changes to various parts of the kernel to do things like TouchPad Mar 13 22:38:37 an updated kernel can't be done without regards to those changes Mar 13 22:39:10 right Mar 13 22:39:29 if you release those changes, then someone could take the lsk as a base Mar 13 22:39:30 I'm confused... I thought the kernel sources were out, enough of them to rebuild them with different CONFIGs at least Mar 13 22:39:34 and add the drivers Mar 13 22:39:57 were there binary-only bits shipped in there too? Mar 13 22:40:08 there are binary blobs Mar 13 22:40:15 but the git log is what I want Mar 13 22:40:26 because I want to be able to cherry pick changes and forward port it to 3.0 Mar 13 22:40:34 or some other newer Android kernel Mar 13 22:40:50 3.3 is a possibility but I haven't been paying attention to the mass merge effort going on in mainline Mar 13 22:41:10 ahh Mar 13 22:45:05 I'm more of a core kernel person than boot bring up and stuff Mar 13 22:48:46 but I can do that work as well if I take the time to learn it doesn't seem that hard Mar 13 22:49:11 stuff like the USB layer takes even more time since you need protocol specific understanding which i don't hve Mar 13 22:54:20 so that stuff should be released by the end of may Mar 13 22:54:33 usb extensions, lsk Mar 13 22:56:18 oh really ? Mar 13 22:56:25 that was outline in the roadmap ? Mar 13 22:59:56 Hi everybody... Where I can download an upgrade for my palm pre? Mar 13 23:00:37 yeah Mar 13 23:01:01 http://www.webosnation.com/hp-s-open-source-webos-roadmap Mar 13 23:01:11 March: Linux standard kernel, Graphics extensions EGL, LevelDB, USB extensions Mar 13 23:01:17 that's this month Mar 13 23:01:19 milton: what update? Mar 13 23:01:21 yeah Mar 13 23:01:46 yeah waiting for months to deal with this shit Mar 13 23:01:56 well... I have the 1.4 version Mar 13 23:01:56 they need to release powerd as well for the touchpad Mar 13 23:04:16 milton: palm pre or palm pre plus? Mar 13 23:04:40 palm pre... Mar 13 23:05:44 i don't think there's an official update for that Mar 13 23:06:44 refer to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 14 00:54:05 2012 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 14 02:59:58 2012