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Mar 20 03:06:34 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 20 03:32:09 <summatusmentis> wait, so nyx is the hardware abstraction layer?
Mar 20 03:32:16 <summatusmentis> roughly?
Mar 20 03:32:33 <wrea> yeah
Mar 20 03:33:00 <summatusmentis> hrm, interesting
Mar 20 03:33:17 <summatusmentis> how feasibly is nyx + android userland + metadoc?
Mar 20 03:56:44 <bhuey> depends on their browser implementation
Mar 20 03:58:37 <bhuey> they have two choices
Mar 20 03:59:06 <bhuey> (1) move the existing 3.0.5 code tree over to an Android kernel and ignore Palm changes
Mar 20 03:59:20 <bhuey> (2) rewrite webOS to using Android purely
Mar 20 04:14:03 <scoutcamper> All:nyx-lib builds appropriately on ubuntu 11.04 desktop x32
Mar 20 04:23:13 <summatusmentis> bhuey: aren't they already targeting the linux foundation kernel?
Mar 20 04:30:42 <scoutcamper> holy crap
Mar 20 04:30:49 <scoutcamper> the nyx documentation is awesome
Mar 20 04:30:53 <scoutcamper> once you build it
Mar 20 04:31:27 <rwhitby> it's just doxygen
Mar 20 04:32:05 <scoutcamper> im talking content
Mar 20 10:07:10 <bhuey> summatusmentis: yes
Mar 20 10:07:31 <bhuey> It's called mainline
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Mar 20 12:59:25 <filmor> hi all
Mar 20 12:59:43 <filmor> is palm-package of any use to install native services?
Mar 20 18:24:34 <Guest91210> hi
Mar 20 18:35:18 <dwc-> hi
Mar 20 19:26:22 <swisstomcat> any success with isis desktop compilation? i'm still stuck
Mar 20 19:34:19 <dwc-> I'm up to the isis-test, and then had to quit for a few days
Mar 20 19:34:53 <dwc-> http://oi44.tinypic.com/ou6rr4.jpg
Mar 20 21:16:49 <bhuey> folks
Mar 20 21:21:12 <swisstomcat> hey
Mar 20 21:27:40 <rwhitby> Morning
Mar 20 21:29:36 <bhuey> hey
Mar 20 21:29:54 <bhuey> yeah they're doing this nxy thing for portability but they use GNOME's glib
Mar 20 21:30:33 <bhuey> beta of Open webOS in August they say
Mar 20 21:31:00 <bhuey> Nyx I should say
Mar 20 21:31:24 <bhuey> there's already a portability layer btw, it's called Posix
Mar 20 21:32:09 <swisstomcat> the blog post is a bit unclear
Mar 20 21:32:21 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2012/03/sams-blog-march-progress/
Mar 20 21:33:16 <bhuey> It's basically the webOS 4.0 rewrite
Mar 20 21:33:22 <bhuey> I hope they pull it off
Mar 20 21:33:30 <swisstomcat> so lsk 3.3 + nyx + qtwebkit
Mar 20 21:33:44 <swisstomcat> lunasysmgr is still missing
Mar 20 21:33:51 <swisstomcat> and then the node services
Mar 20 21:35:37 <bhuey> lunasys is likely going to be replace by the newer architecture
Mar 20 21:35:58 <swisstomcat> from poking around the nyx code .. who actually consumes data from nyx? (e.g battery state or sensor data)
Mar 20 21:36:02 <swisstomcat> and how
Mar 20 21:36:07 <swisstomcat> where is that glue?
Mar 20 21:36:15 <bhuey> It's pretty sparse
Mar 20 21:36:27 <bhuey> hopefully they'll fill it out more as they get more specifics implemented
Mar 20 21:36:29 <swisstomcat> the bigger picture is missing
Mar 20 21:36:37 <bhuey> the key here is the new browser server
Mar 20 21:36:47 <bhuey> well, the details are missing, a lot of things are missing
Mar 20 21:37:02 <bhuey> and they have this pretty short August deadline, everybody is going to be watching them
Mar 20 21:38:16 <swisstomcat> i wonder about the browser server .. why couldn't they use a "native" qt browser for the actual browser app
Mar 20 21:38:34 <swisstomcat> and then use another one for the app runtime
Mar 20 21:38:54 <swisstomcat> if you look at B2G, they even use just one browser process
Mar 20 21:38:59 <swisstomcat> for runtime and browser
Mar 20 21:39:01 <bhuey> yeah
Mar 20 21:39:08 <bhuey> that's the way it should be done
Mar 20 21:39:18 <swisstomcat> isn't the browser server idea a thing of the past?
Mar 20 21:39:39 <bhuey> it needs to be multithreaded because of how CPUs are scaling upwards via core counts
Mar 20 21:39:42 <swisstomcat> like back in 2008/2009 when it probably made sense
Mar 20 21:40:08 <bhuey> because JS isn't really suited for heavy threading applications at this point with regards to how the Linux kernels is dispatched by userspace processes
Mar 20 21:40:42 <swisstomcat> i wonder how others solve it
Mar 20 21:40:47 <swisstomcat> e.g rim
Mar 20 21:40:54 <swisstomcat> (but they're on top of QNX)
Mar 20 21:40:57 * bhuey doesn't care :)
Mar 20 21:41:18 <swisstomcat> if you would re-architect, would you go for the browser server approach?
Mar 20 21:41:23 <bhuey> they have to move to a Chrome like process model which I'm hoping qtwebkit will do
Mar 20 21:41:33 <swisstomcat> right
Mar 20 21:41:39 <swisstomcat> same with firefox
Mar 20 21:41:45 <bhuey> it's the single most important core component minus the kernel itself
Mar 20 21:42:34 <swisstomcat> if you're webOS, then you need the best browser (runtime and browser)
Mar 20 21:42:44 <swisstomcat> at the moment, that's bb os 2
Mar 20 21:43:18 <bhuey> really ? why not Chrome Beta on Android ?
Mar 20 21:43:20 <swisstomcat> and safari/ios and chrome/android
Mar 20 21:43:26 <bhuey> yeah
Mar 20 21:43:29 <bhuey> just said
Mar 20 21:43:38 <bhuey> iOS has a pretty bad ass browser as well
Mar 20 21:43:45 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 20 21:44:01 <swisstomcat> rim's webkit supports webGL for example
Mar 20 21:44:05 <swisstomcat> and web workers
Mar 20 21:44:18 <bhuey> with qtwebkit they'll be at the tip of the trunk which is good
Mar 20 21:44:25 <swisstomcat> right
Mar 20 21:44:30 <bhuey> it'll hopefully mean better compliance and less bugs
Mar 20 21:44:41 <swisstomcat> most certainly better compilance
Mar 20 21:44:43 <bhuey> the current browser is pretty buggy across all devices
Mar 20 21:44:48 <swisstomcat> word
Mar 20 21:45:01 <swisstomcat> it's not a good browser for a "web"OS
Mar 20 21:45:37 <bhuey> the apps are limited relative to the Internet itself
Mar 20 21:45:51 <bhuey> the only question here is the speed of the new browser
Mar 20 21:46:13 <swisstomcat> on device, yeah
Mar 20 21:46:39 <swisstomcat> i can only imagine browserserver slowing things down a bit
Mar 20 21:46:50 <bhuey> I just wish that the Pre 3 had a better browser
Mar 20 21:46:57 <bhuey> it's the device that I use the most
Mar 20 21:47:04 <swisstomcat> i wish 3.0.5 had a better browser
Mar 20 21:47:24 <bhuey> yeah maybe it'll come in August if they meet their deadlines
Mar 20 23:53:01 <bhuey> .
Mar 21 00:05:58 <RagingMind> ..
Mar 21 00:45:22 <bnceo`> so, today's release is nice
Mar 21 00:45:30 <bnceo`> love them meeting milestones.
Mar 21 01:13:21 <bhuey> in the meanwhile, I'll keep drooling over the Prometheus movie that's coming in June while waiting for the next webOS release
Mar 21 02:48:13 <batos_> what is the news
Mar 21 02:51:03 <batos_> looking for news
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