**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 19 02:59:59 2012 Apr 19 03:20:28 its been 4 months, and i can say dear android, what the fuck, return to advertising. Apr 19 03:20:47 anything free? Apr 19 03:20:57 as in, free beer. Apr 19 06:39:19 I was wondering if it was worth trying to get webOS 2.x onto a Pre plus? I never have seen any information on what advantages v 2.x had over 1.x. Is there a good comparison somewhere? Apr 19 08:09:25 * rrix can't get a cgroups enabled touchpad kernel compiled :( Apr 19 09:22:59 rrix: android kernels may be unhappy with this sort of thing? Apr 19 09:38:34 destinal: It's not an Android kernel, Mer kernel Apr 19 12:15:49 Morning, all. Apr 19 12:16:24 Anyone ever see a case where doctoring e device fails? Apr 19 12:18:34 jcsullins, You here? Apr 19 12:32:17 anyone alive yet? Apr 19 12:41:39 daughain: hey Apr 19 12:47:23 hey, jcsullins Apr 19 12:47:35 hi Apr 19 12:47:47 You ever see webos doctor fail? Apr 19 12:48:10 I don't think it's ever failed for me, but have heard of it failing, yes Apr 19 12:49:19 most often, it is due to a corrupt media partition Apr 19 12:49:28 btw, that dou7ble webos uImage file?? Do NOT move or delete it. breaks all the symlinks and ya cant boot into webos at all. Found tha out this morning. Apr 19 12:50:05 is a reduced media partition co9unted as corrupt? Apr 19 12:50:49 humm, you had a uImage.webOs file and removing it caused it to fail booting? Apr 19 12:51:16 that is strange. are you the original owner of the device? Apr 19 12:51:31 not sure what you mean by 'reduced' Apr 19 12:52:09 Yes. original owner. I made a 4gb part and installed Ubuntu as native on it. Apr 19 12:52:54 ok, I see. how concerned are you about keeping the existed data on the device? Apr 19 12:52:57 It reduces the /media from 12gb to 8gb, roughl;y Apr 19 12:53:04 existing* Apr 19 12:53:20 anything on it I have backed up, ir can replace. Apr 19 12:53:39 currently I cannot turn off the device. n:( Apr 19 12:53:53 I have a utility that "resets" all of the partitions (WILL erase all data on the device) Apr 19 12:54:03 cannot turn off?? why not? Apr 19 12:54:36 If I could ount it on this system, I would have done that through gtparted myself. Any help appreciated. Apr 19 12:54:51 It tries to boot, and loops. Apr 19 12:55:05 no, you can't do this with gparted .. these are lvm volumes actually Apr 19 12:55:17 can you not select shutdown from moboot? Apr 19 12:55:27 I can put it inj recovery mode (usb symbol) and it will stay, but if I try to shut it off, it keeps bootloooping. Apr 19 12:55:35 I cant get moboot. Apr 19 12:55:42 I doctor it and it bootloops. Apr 19 12:55:57 tried 3.05 and 3.02 doctors Apr 19 12:57:04 well, not sure what's going on .. but if you can get into recovery mode, there's a good chance my utility (and then doctoring) can cure it Apr 19 12:57:06 I can5t find it via terminal either. =( Apr 19 12:57:52 Ok. I can get recovery. Apr 19 12:58:01 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53916521/cmtouchpad/uImage.tptoolbox_0.0.1 Apr 19 12:58:09 download that ^ Apr 19 12:58:41 Waiting for this thing to load... =) Apr 19 12:58:42 and then (while in recovery and connected via USB), run "novacom boot mem:// < uImage.tptoolbox_0.0.1" Apr 19 12:59:25 Does the TP charge while in recovery? Apr 19 12:59:38 I think so Apr 19 12:59:52 I'm hoping so. -) Apr 19 12:59:59 but if connected via USB, it can't since screen uses more power than USB can provide Apr 19 13:00:27 I mean connected to usb charger. Apr 19 13:00:51 the HP AC one? Apr 19 13:00:56 Yup. Apr 19 13:01:04 yeah, it should charge, I think Apr 19 13:01:22 I run that command in terminal? Apr 19 13:01:29 yeah Apr 19 13:01:35 on the PC Apr 19 13:02:04 I use linux. Thats what I meant by terminal. Apr 19 13:02:15 ah, yes Apr 19 13:03:10 let me know when the program gets loaded ... Apr 19 13:03:23 should boot up and show a menu on the touchpad Apr 19 13:04:32 Full partition reset? Apr 19 13:04:43 yes, (compatible mode) Apr 19 13:04:58 Whats the difference, may I ask Apr 19 13:05:23 Its running. Apr 19 13:05:25 the compatible mode makes sure all the volumes use the same minor device numbers as 'stock' Apr 19 13:05:46 the other should work, but *may* cause issues somewhere Apr 19 13:05:58 And whats the other one for? Apr 19 13:06:22 same thing really .. just testing slightly different method Apr 19 13:06:48 Personally, I'm more interested in this kind of stuff for the nTP than writing apps. Apr 19 13:06:50 the other only recreates the media volume while the "compatible" recreates all of them Apr 19 13:08:20 Do you have a site or link that explains all this kind of stuff? Or sh9ould I just wait till Sept.? Apr 19 13:08:31 all what stuff? Apr 19 13:09:09 All the different lvms, what they do, etc. Apr 19 13:09:37 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Apr 19 13:10:12 the utility does essentially what the "Complete Filesystem creation" doess (on the bottom of that page) Apr 19 13:11:13 Thanks. Have a message on the device talking about filesystem checks. Is it still running? Apr 19 13:11:49 is there something on the very bottom of the menu "window" ? Apr 19 13:12:03 Menu? No Apr 19 13:12:04 should say "RUNNING" or "WAITING" or something like that Apr 19 13:12:11 Just the echo screen Apr 19 13:12:20 ok, then it's done Apr 19 13:12:30 No message at all. Ok, reboot and doctor? Apr 19 13:12:37 remember to start holing VolUp when you select reboot Apr 19 13:12:46 Ok. Apr 19 13:12:58 should be able to start doctor then ... Apr 19 13:14:00 Running it now. Apr 19 13:14:27 Figured out the problem I had with the replacement boot image. Apr 19 13:14:41 oh? Apr 19 13:15:00 It was a tga, but apparently not rle encoded. Apr 19 13:15:36 yeah, it's picky about the format Apr 19 13:16:00 I tried using the same image with moboot, and it never even noticed it. The ones I tried for Ubuntu at least gave me feedback. =) Apr 19 13:17:26 Other than getting my TP running again, I was wondering how you turn off verbose boot for linux in moboot? It defaulted to it for me. Apr 19 13:18:16 you may not be able to if that was compiled into the kernel Apr 19 13:19:06 If I remove the uImage.verbose.NAME.moboot file, will it matter? Apr 19 13:19:47 yeah, that's how moboot determines it Apr 19 13:20:02 that just tells it to send the args to the kernel to do "verbose" Apr 19 13:20:35 but if the kernel you are using was compiled to force the args, then you'd have to use another kernel Apr 19 13:20:58 I had both Uimage.NAME. moboot and uImage.verbose.NAME.moboot files. If I delete the verbose filoe, will it default to the other? Apr 19 13:21:24 Sorry, was typing that as you responded. Apr 19 13:21:51 uImage.NAME is the actual file it boots (the kernel) Apr 19 13:22:05 Ok. Apr 19 13:22:23 Thats what I was thinking. Need to research the kernel first. Apr 19 13:22:24 if you removbe the "verbose" file, it will default to not verbose Apr 19 13:22:55 Looks like it may be booting finally. =) Apr 19 13:23:05 awesome Apr 19 13:23:33 Waiting for the hp logo to show. Apr 19 13:24:50 Thanks very much. I thoguht resetting that part might be my problem, thanks for confirming that. My biggest problem was I didnt realize this was all done in lvms. Good thing I didnt try a ophysical formatting. -=) Apr 19 13:25:14 Bouncing between this netbook and the TP is killing my typing. Apr 19 13:25:42 sure, glad it worked Apr 19 13:25:56 Best I keep that little tool for next time. Apr 19 13:26:12 This is the second ti me I had this happen. =) Apr 19 13:26:38 yeah, manually adjusting lvm stuff can cause that :) Apr 19 13:26:53 (other ways too) Apr 19 13:27:15 As long as I can find out how to fix it, I'll keep tinkering. -=) Apr 19 13:28:07 yeah, just don't touch any other *real* partitions (or you may have to send back to HP) Apr 19 13:28:50 Did that last time. Apr 19 13:29:05 had to send back to HP? Apr 19 13:30:21 Well, I tried charging it in my car, and I dont know what happened, but it broke something. had the same set of bootlooping as this mkorning. Cause of using the car cjarger, I thought I damaged the usb port. Apr 19 13:30:47 When the warranty runs out, I'll fix it myself, but since I have it.... Apr 19 13:31:33 wouldn't think that would have caused problems, but ... Apr 19 13:31:45 Actually, I need a dead tp with a clean back. Want to see if I can make a back out of fiberglass. Apr 19 13:33:31 Wouldnt have thought so either, but it was less than half charged, and the batt died before I could figure outbthe problem. And since I dont have a LiPo chargeer... Apr 19 13:34:46 ahh, if the battery FULLY drains ... I've heard of that causing issues for some Apr 19 13:35:25 Yup. One guy said you can pull it and recharge, if youbhave the right equipment. nI dont have that equipment. Apr 19 13:36:16 Heard ntheres a firmware issue that lets the charge get below a min to be recognized. Apr 19 13:36:44 yeah, may be Apr 19 13:37:53 Nowe to see if yahoo is being bitchy. Apr 19 13:38:28 brb Apr 19 13:44:04 Wife cant drive.... Apr 19 16:10:30 Morning again. Apr 19 16:17:20 rrix: ooh, mer kernel? Apr 19 16:27:03 Hi Apr 19 16:27:41 what is the difference between 'buttah' and 'increase touch responsiveness'? Apr 19 16:32:52 what's an amish doing with an electronic device Apr 19 16:37:19 lol Apr 19 16:41:56 Escaping? Apr 19 16:46:11 dwc-, http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/amish.html Apr 19 18:33:33 * rrix can't get his openwebos build of novacom{d,} to do a boot mem:// Apr 19 18:34:48 claims an unknown command Apr 19 18:50:26 heh, turns out that putting the device in to recovery mode to boot helps Apr 19 18:50:30 * rrix facepalms Apr 19 18:50:33 and goes to get coffee Apr 19 18:52:04 destinal: FYI, trying with http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/Touchpad Apr 19 18:56:24 So, if I wanted to reflash my device in such a way that it would nuke all the custom partitions I've put on a device, how would I go about that? doctor tries to mainin the partition layout, doesn't it? Apr 19 19:00:51 rrix: you can boot mem the installer image, which is much like a rescue disk (the doctor uses it to send commands to set up the OS but you can novaterm into it and run arbitrary commands too) Apr 19 19:01:08 you can use fdisk and the lvm tools from there Apr 19 19:01:35 hokay Apr 19 19:01:37 makes sesne Apr 19 19:01:58 * rrix looks up how to use lvm after not touching it for months Apr 19 19:02:07 rrix: if you're not familiar with the relevant lvm commands this would be similar http://www.everythingabouttablets.net/2011/10/16/how-to-remove-cynogenmod-android-from-your-hp-touchpad/ Apr 19 19:02:19 yup Apr 19 19:22:36 hey guys. i just obtained a Pre3 .. and I can't get it past the sign in phase. "Sign In Failed - We were unable to sign you in." or "Unable to restore backup". Apr 19 19:23:05 should i attempt to create a new account and see if it's a problem with my account or ... Apr 19 19:29:17 EricBlade1: interesting, I've never seen that before. did you try doctoring it with latest webos first? Apr 19 19:30:56 hmmm http://forums.webosnation.com/palm-pre-pre-plus/301132-help-cant-log-into-profile.html Apr 19 19:31:10 I had this same problem when I tried to login with my Pre+ updated to 2.1, and I had to hack the startup app to let me in through the backup error. Apr 19 19:31:48 hmmm, sounds like there must be something very wrong with your profile or a backup on your profile Apr 19 19:32:24 i think that was a known problem when trying to login with a 2.1 Pre+, though. I didn't have any problem logging in with my 2.2 Pre 2 Apr 19 19:35:48 hmm. can't get it logged in on the account that the pre+ is on now either Apr 19 19:36:00 profile creation failed Apr 19 19:42:10 i know it's communicating, because it does say when i try to create a new account with an existing email, that the account already exists Apr 19 19:42:13 EricBlade1: some kind of networking issue perhaps? tried devmode from the dialer, connceting to wifi and activating / logging into profile with impostah? Apr 19 19:42:31 i can't get logged in with my daughters account either which just has a single touchpad Apr 19 19:46:22 comms are working fine, i just did devmode, and it's now downloading some app updates via h+ .. is h+ 3g or 4g .. i should know this stuff Apr 19 19:48:44 the webos profile that i first tried to login to says it has a Manta ATT running 2.2.0 on it Apr 19 19:56:07 pciking up the 2.2.4 update Apr 19 19:56:10 verry slowly Apr 19 20:36:17 HSPA+ is technically advanced 3G. Speed wise, effectively 4G. Apr 19 20:57:30 h+ is "faux" g Apr 19 20:57:37 and you definitely want 2.2.4 over 2.2.0 Apr 19 20:57:45 I'm pretty sure some sign-in bugs were fixed in the meantime Apr 19 20:59:25 EricBlade1: to get past the unable to restore backup error, hack the backup service node.js to just ignore the error Apr 19 21:03:26 when i went to do a full erase to see if there were any error codes, it prompted me that i needed to remember my HP webOS login was (my main account's email) .. so i guess i'll just devmode bypass and impostah Apr 19 21:03:50 i noticed that my 2.2.4 pre2 did not show any account details, even though it thought it was logged in Apr 19 21:04:29 dwc-: so H+ is as fast as i'm going to get with this? Apr 19 21:17:51 EricBlade1: yeah pre3 doesn't support LTE or wimax, it's an hspa+ device Apr 19 21:18:33 fine bym e Apr 19 21:19:03 mine feels pretty snappy on data but so did my pre2 Apr 19 21:19:27 can't wait until we can put webos on an LTE device though :) Apr 19 21:20:08 hmm. i love GVoice at the much higher resolution. i'll see if i can find a way to defeat that for the people that don't like it though Apr 19 21:34:46 * rrix wonders how hard it would be to get avahi working and publishing /media/internal as an sftp share Apr 19 21:35:52 I'm surprised webOS doesn't do avahi already Apr 19 22:11:09 rrix: I think wrea and someone else both had that working Apr 19 22:11:27 EricBlade1: wait, you're getting H+ on tmobile? Apr 19 22:24:44 dwc-: att Apr 19 22:24:55 i got a straight talk hookup Apr 19 22:25:21 hmm. i wish all the apps had the scaling off Apr 19 22:25:30 rrix, its in preware Apr 19 22:26:55 EricBlade1: I have straighttalk too, I did the json patch in metadoctor to eliminate the need to manually enter APN info Apr 19 22:27:11 Plasma Active just came up on my touchpad Apr 19 22:27:16 wrea: Oh really? nice. Apr 19 22:28:07 EricBlade1: and now you can buy straighttalk SIMs without having to get that one phone you could activate and steal the SIM from Apr 19 22:28:18 can just order SIMs direct. wish they'd had that when I started on them Apr 19 22:29:38 yeah i went that route. i was hoping they had a deal on an android for development purposes, but i wasn't about to put $200+ into it when i'm moving in a week and things might be a little tight .. $60 i was ok on though Apr 19 22:30:15 mm the new virtual keyboard app is really nice on the pre3. it's a little tight on the pre2 Apr 19 23:55:17 how much is straight talk? Apr 20 00:16:20 dwc-: 45/mo for unlimited **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 20 02:59:58 2012