**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 06 02:59:58 2012
Jun 06 03:26:21 <acidhax> question
Jun 06 03:26:35 <acidhax> I'm trying to install a package from source, but its erroring out saying there's no space
Jun 06 03:26:44 <acidhax> how do I give the system more space
Jun 06 03:27:29 <acidhax> . /var only has 62mb
Jun 06 03:31:02 <acidhax> do I have to doctor?
Jun 06 06:22:16 <rwhitby> If you want more optware space, set up an ext3fs partition using Tailor.
Jun 06 07:10:07 <bhuey> rwhitby: hard core article today
Jun 06 12:12:51 <madnificent> a prime example of why i love my veer due to webos-internals:  although mode-switcher does tend to use a lot of power on my phone from time to time, it's just awesome in what it does at all other times.  I apparently turned the switch of my power plug, thereby not charging my veer at night, even though i didn't notice.  I didn't have much power left.  However, modeswitcher figured out that it lacked power, turned 
Jun 06 12:12:51 <madnificent> for gsm, which makes it consume just a trivial amount of power, and woke me up in the morning as expected.  <3 WebOS
Jun 06 12:13:02 <madnificent> thanks sconix :)
Jun 06 15:58:04 <acidhax> ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp    -q -P /opt/ipkg-toNJOd http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/python25_2.5.6-2_arm.ipk'
Jun 06 15:58:15 <acidhax> any idea why ipkg-opt is giving me an error on that?
Jun 06 15:59:18 <acidhax> the link works fine from my desktop
Jun 06 16:00:51 <acidhax> but wget from my webos command line still errors out
Jun 06 16:05:41 <acidhax> damnit, my /opt mount point is full
Jun 06 16:10:30 <acidhax> why is the /opt mount point not in fstab?
Jun 06 16:18:33 <madnificent> acidhax: because it is mounted on / instead?
Jun 06 16:18:55 <acidhax> yeah
Jun 06 16:19:02 <acidhax> oh that's annoying
Jun 06 16:19:34 <acidhax> I wonder if it's configurable
Jun 06 16:20:24 <acidhax> my Meta-Doctor seemed to only give /var the extra 2gb
Jun 06 16:20:39 <acidhax> and not the ext3fs
Jun 06 16:26:16 <acidhax> ill just move /opt to /var/opt via a mount bind, i suppose
Jun 06 16:31:08 <acidhax> guh.
Jun 06 17:01:55 <acidhax> Is there a libssl-dev or openssl-devel equivalent in optware?
Jun 06 17:03:51 <acidhax> of course, it's openssl-dev
Jun 06 17:03:52 <acidhax> lol
Jun 06 18:55:17 <acidhax> Which ARM is the Pre2?
Jun 06 19:00:34 <acidhax> To compile node.js, I'm assuming it doesn't support armv7 atm
Jun 06 19:01:34 <acidhax> Or is expecting an armv7 v8 or something
Jun 06 19:40:59 <acidhax> Anyone with experience compiling on ARMv7?
Jun 06 19:41:12 <acidhax> getting a bus error while compiling node.js
Jun 07 00:18:52 <dwc-> a bus error from what's been compiled? or your compiler tools?
Jun 07 00:49:05 <acidhax> the compiler tools
Jun 07 00:50:27 <acidhax> Ive tried compiling via cross-compile with a toolchain
Jun 07 00:50:31 <acidhax> but it just doesn't work
Jun 07 00:55:29 <acidhax> https://gist.github.com/2885824
Jun 07 00:59:45 <dwc-> that doesn't look like a cross-compile if you're doing it on-device
Jun 07 01:00:29 <dwc-> that looks like python is failing, run that line by hand and see if you get better error output
Jun 07 01:00:35 <dwc-> for that matter, see if python even runs
Jun 07 01:02:17 <acidhax> nono, that wasn't a cross-compile
Jun 07 01:02:27 <acidhax> thats me attempting on-device
Jun 07 01:02:31 <dwc-> 17:50 < acidhax> Ive tried compiling via cross-compile with a toolchain
Jun 07 01:02:31 <dwc-> 17:50 < acidhax> but it just doesn't work
Jun 07 01:02:31 <dwc-> 17:55 < acidhax> https://gist.github.com/2885824
Jun 07 01:02:52 <acidhax> Yeah, scattered conversation
Jun 07 01:02:59 <acidhax> makes sense in my head, not so much to readers.
Jun 07 01:03:16 <acidhax> hmm, python gives me a bus error.
Jun 07 01:08:31 <dwc-> that being said, yes, it appears node is not set up for happy cross-compilation... it builds a tool that looks like it might need to run locally with the cross-compiler
Jun 07 01:08:48 <dwc-> but that's probably fixable with some small edits to its build scripts
Jun 07 01:10:22 <acidhax> It's just the v8 portion
Jun 07 01:10:42 <acidhax> it builds a majority of it, once it reached v8 it died
Jun 07 01:10:56 <acidhax> it seems as though python may be the culprit
Jun 07 01:11:17 <acidhax> I installed python via ipkg-opt, and it doesn't seem to be working
Jun 07 01:12:41 <dwc-> well mine "dies" because of
Jun 07 01:12:42 <dwc-> obj/release/mksnapshot obj/release/snapshot.cc --logfile "/tmp/node-v0.6.19/out/Release/obj/release/snapshot.log" --log-snapshot-positions
Jun 07 01:12:45 <dwc-> /bin/bash: obj/release/mksnapshot: cannot execute binary file
Jun 07 01:12:50 <dwc-> because
Jun 07 01:12:53 <dwc-> ./out/Release/obj/release/mksnapshot: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, not stripped
Jun 07 01:13:19 <dwc-> but I don't expect arm code to run on x86
Jun 07 01:15:01 <acidhax> hm
Jun 07 01:15:03 <acidhax> yeah
Jun 07 01:15:30 <acidhax> but does python work for you?
Jun 07 01:15:38 <acidhax> via webos
Jun 07 01:16:11 <dwc-> dunno, I don't have it installed
Jun 07 01:16:28 <acidhax> I'm going to attempt to just install it by source
Jun 07 01:16:43 <acidhax> It's going to take decades on this phone
Jun 07 01:21:14 <bnceo`> so, devs, is the newest browser for webOS much better than the current one on the Pre3?
Jun 07 01:21:18 <bnceo`> Cause it's getting slow and bad
Jun 07 01:22:35 <dwc-> what newest browser is that
Jun 07 01:26:22 <acidhax> you know. "THE" browser. The one we're keeping a secret.
Jun 07 01:27:54 <bnceo`> lol
Jun 07 01:28:01 <bnceo`> wasn't there one in the road map?
Jun 07 01:28:06 <bnceo`> but it was raw. I have no idea
Jun 07 01:28:08 <invalidopcode> the secret one that's on github?
Jun 07 01:28:17 <bnceo`> sure. lol
Jun 07 01:28:41 <invalidopcode> that's isis, and no one has a clue
Jun 07 01:29:35 <dwc-> I believe the last I heard from dkirker was that it is currently unrunnable on webos because of some dependencies on stuff that isn't open-sourced yet
Jun 07 02:03:25 <rwhitby> acidhax: don't use /var for large optware stuff.  Use Tailor to create an ext3fs partition, and optware will use it instead of filling up /var
Jun 07 02:04:08 <rwhitby> No need to meta-doctor anything.  Just use Tailor.
Jun 07 02:05:22 <acidhax> tailor?
Jun 07 02:05:26 <acidhax> hm
Jun 07 02:06:53 <rwhitby> Create a large ext3fs, use it for optware and ubuntu and debian and anything else you want on an ext3 partition.
Jun 07 02:07:16 <rwhitby> we've designed things so they can all live happily on the same ext3fs partition.
Jun 07 02:10:03 <acidhax> Yeah, I meta-doctored to give the ext3fs partition more space but it didn't take.
Jun 07 02:10:23 <acidhax> also, the beta feeds aren't showing up.
Jun 07 02:11:51 <rwhitby> sounds like you've got some things to fix first then
Jun 07 02:11:59 <acidhax> yeah
Jun 07 02:14:32 <acidhax> I just don't want to have to doctor it again. :)
Jun 07 02:15:50 <rwhitby> you shouldn't need to. sounds like you know how to edit /etc/fstab yourself
Jun 07 02:15:58 <acidhax> Yep
Jun 07 02:16:16 <rwhitby> and tailor works on the fly for ext3fs and media
Jun 07 02:16:28 <acidhax> Oh that's awesome
Jun 07 02:16:32 <acidhax> thanks
Jun 07 02:23:46 <bnceo`> tailor is so awesome
Jun 07 02:29:00 <acidhax> I was thinking, if I could get nvm to work correctly under webos and selecting which nodejs version to use for your service--- it would be extremely easy to download precompiled arm nodejs binaries, instead of the source files
Jun 07 02:34:24 <halfhalo> you would also need to find a way to seperate each service from the global node install, which is not a small thing
Jun 07 02:35:03 <acidhax> yeah
Jun 07 02:35:15 <acidhax> well run-js-service does all of that
Jun 07 02:35:31 <acidhax> I would just have to modify the script to execute the correct node version
Jun 07 02:35:47 <halfhalo> it doesn't handle it all
Jun 07 02:35:51 <acidhax> hm
Jun 07 02:37:26 <halfhalo> the actual building of the arm binary is almost trivial.  Its the other stuff which will take time, like getting all the abi stuff compatible
Jun 07 02:37:50 <acidhax> Yeah, I expected the arm binary to be all of 20 minutes
Jun 07 02:38:43 <halfhalo> it only takes me like 16 minutes to make it on the touchpad itself
Jun 07 02:39:06 <acidhax> I simply can't get node to compile
Jun 07 02:41:15 <acidhax> I suspect it's my python to blame
Jun 07 02:41:52 <acidhax> What communication is done between the "global" node service and our apps node service?
Jun 07 02:43:18 <halfhalo> talks to it to preload node modules and some other items.  Its been a while since I had a chance to poke around with webos node stuff
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