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Jul 02 13:53:52 <zsoc> Like an obscenely long time ago sometime linked me to an online task management tool with a nifty user interface that kind of looked like a pinboard or blackboard.
Jul 02 13:55:02 <RagingMind> cat irc.log | grep zsoc     ?
Jul 02 13:55:27 <zsoc> RagingMind: thought of it, different box and I lost the logs :/
Jul 02 13:55:38 <zsoc> also, I would fear to see how long that grep output would be
Jul 02 13:55:44 <RagingMind> ah, well I have all my logs
Jul 02 13:55:50 <RagingMind> do you know which channel?
Jul 02 13:55:58 <zsoc> Plus I love coming in here and having good on topic conversations
Jul 02 13:56:13 <zsoc> RagingMind: thank you for the offer.. but I'm not going to drive you nuts
Jul 02 13:56:33 <zsoc> There's a possibility I misremembered even where it was. Although i thought it was destinal for some reason
Jul 02 13:58:43 <zsoc> Ok so here's an interesting protip. If you actually just type random words into google that describe what you're looking for, you'll find it.
Jul 02 13:58:50 <zsoc> For anyone's curiousity: Trello
Jul 02 13:59:03 * zsoc waits to be kicked for offtopic convo
Jul 02 14:01:16 <RagingMind> you could be planning to use this tool for something webos related? :)
Jul 02 14:24:35 <zsoc> sure
Jul 02 14:24:38 <zsoc> lets say that
Jul 02 15:39:42 <dtzWill> zsoc: !!! you're alive :)
Jul 02 15:40:06 <zsoc> dtzWill: oh hey bro, it would seem i am
Jul 02 15:40:16 <zsoc> y'know it's not like none of you have my email address ;) lol
Jul 02 15:40:44 <dtzWill> psh, why email when it's clearly your responsibility to be on IRC if you wanna be reached ;) :D
Jul 02 15:41:15 <dtzWill> anyway, how're things going??
Jul 02 15:41:31 <dtzWill> giving trello a look, I sure wouldn't mind an improved task management interface
Jul 02 15:41:48 <dtzWill> although doubtful i can ever get anyone i work with to use it (and as of yet, unclear that's a good idea)
Jul 02 15:42:02 <dtzWill> can barely get them to use github, let alone an issue tracker
Jul 02 15:45:29 <ka6sox> hiyz zsoc
Jul 02 15:45:34 <ka6sox> hows kids?
Jul 02 15:45:58 <zsoc> ka6sox: kid. doing good :) everything is good actually. Have a real job now doing things i'm good at lol
Jul 02 15:46:06 <zsoc> dtzWill: ditto answer :p
Jul 02 15:46:59 <dtzWill> zsoc: i see how it is! :)
Jul 02 15:47:17 <zsoc> dtzWill: sorry my brain functions in reverse recursives :p
Jul 02 15:49:34 <ka6sox> "real job" oh no....they captured you!
Jul 02 16:06:27 <zsoc> ka6sox: nah, it's remote and i drink beer whenever i want. and my boss delivers me pizza and chinese food
Jul 02 16:06:55 <zsoc> and i just yell at people on skype and poke at the crm sometimes
Jul 02 16:07:08 <zsoc> and create incredibly complex and unreadable php methods for fun, and job security
Jul 02 16:07:51 <ka6sox> zsoc, are you sure you aren't writing perl?
Jul 02 16:08:28 <zsoc> ka6sox: is possible. they all seem the same these days
Jul 02 16:09:21 <zsoc> ka6sox: the people i work with are so technologically impared, I actually started using yaml for anything too small for a database, so the config is human readable O.o
Jul 02 16:09:44 <halfhalo> ...
Jul 02 16:09:48 <halfhalo> I'm sorry
Jul 02 16:10:29 <ka6sox> I rather like XML
Jul 02 16:10:46 <halfhalo> Thats even worse
Jul 02 16:13:02 <zsoc> yeah xml is a bit worse.. i guess json is the /actual/ solution, but i prefer a challenge
Jul 02 16:14:40 <halfhalo> for like database config stuff yaml is great.  Not sure about anything more complex though
Jul 02 16:14:44 <zsoc> yaml parsing is actually a blast tho, it's like using an abacus
Jul 02 16:14:55 <zsoc> instead of a calculator
Jul 02 16:15:02 <halfhalo> Until you find an extra tab and space
Jul 02 16:15:08 <zsoc> I'm not sure it's useful, but it makes you think about how things were done 300 years ago
Jul 02 16:15:24 <zsoc> halfhalo: whitespace isn't a problem, i'm used to py :p
Jul 02 16:15:40 <halfhalo> hah
Jul 02 16:15:49 <zsoc> So... about Android 4 and the zoom out/recent apps you can swipe up, and the notifications you can swipe away
Jul 02 16:15:55 <zsoc> still a crappy implementation, but they are getting there lol
Jul 02 16:16:00 <halfhalo> I use yaml pretty much only with ruby/rails
Jul 02 16:16:27 <zsoc> and whether recent apps stay in memory or not is 100% based on what the device thinks it has enough memory to keep. Which sucks because you're switch apps and when you switch back it will be reset :p
Jul 02 16:17:04 <zsoc> my phone is like 8 times more powerful than a pre 2 and i swear i can't run 2 apps at once :p
Jul 02 16:17:45 <halfhalo> Its android, what did you expect?
Jul 02 16:18:38 <zsoc> i dunno, i guess i expected when a zillion people use it people with half a brain would make it work properly
Jul 02 16:18:44 <zsoc> i guess making /anything/ work properly in java is just a silly idea
Jul 02 16:18:51 <halfhalo> Yup.
Jul 02 16:18:59 <zsoc> sad too
Jul 02 16:19:04 <summatusmentis> zsoc: swipe up?
Jul 02 16:19:07 <summatusmentis> how?
Jul 02 16:19:08 <summatusmentis> where?
Jul 02 16:19:09 <zsoc> i wonder if they will ever launch a new non-backwords compatible playform
Jul 02 16:19:27 <zsoc> summatusmentis: when i hit my 'recent apps' key and it shows them all in a "card" like format, you can swipe them up to dismiss them
Jul 02 16:19:32 <summatusmentis> right
Jul 02 16:19:39 <zsoc> but you're not actually dismissing running apps, you're just dismissing them from the list
Jul 02 16:19:48 <summatusmentis> I thought you meant there was a swipe gesture to get to that list
Jul 02 16:19:51 <zsoc> ah no
Jul 02 16:19:58 <summatusmentis> and they _might_ be running, is my understanding
Jul 02 16:20:09 <zsoc> sure, maybe
Jul 02 16:20:14 <summatusmentis> android lets apps run for a given period of time before killing them
Jul 02 16:20:26 <zsoc> summatusmentis: afaict, it's not a time, it's a memory limit
Jul 02 16:20:37 <zsoc> or rather after a certain amount from that app is GC'd it just closes it
Jul 02 16:20:45 * zsoc welcomes you to #android-internals
Jul 02 16:20:50 <summatusmentis> ah, could be
Jul 02 16:21:08 <zsoc> would be nice to raise or remove that limit.. but  uh... android, heh
Jul 02 16:21:15 <zsoc> lets make a custom image for a 1 line patch! yay
Jul 02 16:28:40 <summatusmentis> heh
Jul 02 19:47:16 <qkslvrwolf> So...is there anyone working on porting webos to android hardware?
Jul 02 19:47:20 <qkslvrwolf> mayahps a xoom?
Jul 02 19:55:44 <PuffTheMagic> i will when openwebos is complete
Jul 02 20:37:26 <dwc-> zsoc: just terminal in and open whatever file is involved in a hex editor ;)
Jul 02 20:37:42 <zsoc> dwc-: genius
Jul 02 20:39:04 <dwc-> (or lazy, take your pick)
Jul 02 20:39:53 <zsoc> isnt all genius lazy?
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