**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 06 02:59:58 2012
Jul 06 03:23:06 <bartholemew> anyone awake?
Jul 06 03:24:05 <krushia> no
Jul 06 03:24:23 <bartholemew> ok just checkin' ;)
Jul 06 03:25:09 <krushia> and by no I mean yes
Jul 06 03:25:22 <bartholemew> any non awake folks who can help with excessive power drain issues w/wifi ?
Jul 06 03:26:02 <krushia> keep talking
Jul 06 03:26:41 <bartholemew> my pre2 w/2.2.4 sucks my battery down super fast whenever i turn on wifi even if i'm not doing any downloads
Jul 06 03:27:07 <bartholemew> with wifi off the battery lasts for days in standby but if i leave wifi on overnight the device is dead on my nightstand by morning if not sooner
Jul 06 03:27:31 <bartholemew> this only started happening after i upgraded to 2.2.4 many moons ago
Jul 06 03:27:36 <krushia> don't leave wifi on
Jul 06 03:27:42 <krushia> oh
Jul 06 03:28:05 <bartholemew> so it seems to be a software issue
Jul 06 03:28:18 <bartholemew> not a battery issue or an issue w/my home network
Jul 06 03:29:35 <krushia> dunno. I'm on 1.4.5. syncing to a gazillion cloud services drains battery but it should be just as horrible when you have data going over cellular
Jul 06 03:30:00 <bartholemew> i was tailing /var/log/messages tonight to look for clues ... i have tons of IPT_PACKET_DROPPED_NO_MATCH messages there but i don't know if they were there prior to 2.2.4
Jul 06 03:30:04 <krushia> do you have cellular data service?
Jul 06 03:30:44 <bartholemew> that's the thing - my device does automatic backups and since i have wifi off most of the time those backups go over my cellular data plan and that doesn't drain my battery at all
Jul 06 03:31:14 <krushia> those dropped packets are probably a bad router at isp
Jul 06 03:31:29 <krushia> but should have little t do with battery drain
Jul 06 03:31:30 <bartholemew> i don't sync to a bunch of cloud services though ... just to the palm servers (may they live long)
Jul 06 03:32:00 <bartholemew> any other system logs where i could look for clues?
Jul 06 03:32:11 <krushia> do you use any tethering app?
Jul 06 03:32:14 <bartholemew> nope
Jul 06 03:32:45 <bartholemew> my usage is very basic.  this is my everyday phone, but given the state of webos i am not committing to getting really dependent on it
Jul 06 03:32:50 <krushia> best clues will be right where you're looking
Jul 06 03:33:08 <bartholemew> so, i don't do much with it except phone calls, text, web browsing and using the occassional app
Jul 06 03:33:23 <krushia> you can check other files in /var/log/ that show recent timestamps
Jul 06 03:34:34 <krushia> I've never used webos 2 so not much I can help with, sorry
Jul 06 03:34:55 <bartholemew> no worries
Jul 06 03:35:35 <bartholemew> also, the device gets hot with wifi on even if i don't initiate any data transfers
Jul 06 03:35:48 <krushia> hmm
Jul 06 03:36:03 <bartholemew> it's almost as if the 2.2.4 update has some automatic huge wifi traffic going on
Jul 06 03:36:47 <bartholemew> i've considered wiping the device and doctoring it but i'd prefer to understand what's going on first
Jul 06 03:39:06 <krushia> are you comfortable with the linux command line? i'd first install mtr from optware and check for isp routers dumping packets... that would narrow down on further things to check
Jul 06 03:40:36 <bartholemew> comfortable w/cmdline yes but not familiar w/optware
Jul 06 03:41:15 <krushia> I'd hold off on it then until someone familiar with webos 2 can help
Jul 06 03:41:27 <bartholemew> no worries & thanks for your inputs
Jul 06 14:57:11 <filmor> EricBlade?
Jul 06 15:35:43 <LarrySteeze> yo
Jul 06 15:47:01 <LarrySteeze> ka6sox-away, you around?
Jul 06 15:51:02 <LarrySteeze> nobody's around today, eh?
Jul 06 15:54:14 <LarrySteeze> rwhitby?
Jul 06 16:09:59 <krushia> so, my understanding is that preware supports package dependencies (like shared libraries) but the app catalog doesn't, correct?
Jul 06 16:14:08 <krushia> so if I wanted to do something creative like make a wirc that has a python replacement for the plugin, I could keep it in .py form and depend on python in preware... but to get it into the app catalog it probably needs to be in compiled statin bin form
Jul 06 16:14:34 <krushia> *static
Jul 06 17:06:13 <LarrySteeze> webos doctor doesn't want to work on my pre- :-(
Jul 06 17:06:29 <LarrySteeze> it reboots into usb mode and just hangs there at 0%
Jul 06 17:06:43 <LarrySteeze> keeps "waiting for device to come back"
Jul 06 20:32:20 <Hotte> Hello. Anyone using the App Navit?
Jul 06 20:42:34 <zsoc> Anyone here have bartender experience?
Jul 06 20:46:35 <dwc-> webos home "brew" ?
Jul 06 20:53:35 <EricBlade> filmor?
Jul 06 20:55:31 <EricBlade> so.. my gf's Sprint Pre power button has stopped working.
Jul 06 20:55:56 <EricBlade> suggestions for adjusting it to possibly get it back working again?
Jul 06 20:57:56 <JetP1L0t> Hello, does anyone knows how to change charset in wIRC ? thanks :)
Jul 06 21:29:16 <krushia> JetP1L0t: charset or font?
Jul 06 21:32:08 <JetP1L0t> krushina dunno exactly, but when i select custom server charset via /quote codepage **** - i get strange symbols instead of letters
Jul 06 21:33:33 <dwc-> what is /quote codepage
Jul 06 21:33:44 <dwc-> I'm almost certain that's not part of the RFC
Jul 06 21:35:23 <JetP1L0t> dwc this command selects charset which client want to see, so you can change it without reconnecting
Jul 06 21:36:41 <dwc-> yea, that's not in the IRC RFCs
Jul 06 21:37:01 <dwc-> (actually, character encoding isn't covered in the first place, iirc)
Jul 06 21:37:32 <JetP1L0t> okay, does wIRC support displaying of cp1251 text ? if yes - so what should i do? i didnt saw this in it's preferences :(
Jul 06 23:15:38 <rroberrr> hi everyone
Jul 06 23:16:00 * krushia runs
Jul 06 23:16:43 <rroberrr> alguien de mexico?
Jul 06 23:43:49 <approbatory> I have a problem with preware
Jul 06 23:45:00 <halfhalo> descriptive.
Jul 06 23:45:42 <approbatory> I installed a patch, and now the entire top bar is blacked out and apps do not start, they just pulsate
Jul 06 23:46:36 <approbatory> how can I do an emergency patch recovery from novaterm?
Jul 07 00:12:18 <dwc-> what patch
Jul 07 00:39:11 <krushia> patience is a virtue
Jul 07 00:41:55 <krushia> anyone happen to have a fix for terminal getting chopped off when the notification bar appears?
Jul 07 00:43:46 <krushia> even if that fix is ugly? :)
Jul 07 01:42:11 <HebrewzHammer> Hello, can anyone help me to remove a file from novaterm while in recovery mode?
Jul 07 01:42:25 <HebrewzHammer> *using novaterm
Jul 07 01:50:14 <krushia> rm /path/to/file
Jul 07 01:51:10 <krushia> HebrewzHammer: still need help?
Jul 07 01:57:26 <HebrewzHammer> yes, please!
Jul 07 01:57:34 <HebrewzHammer> sorry about that, my browser decided to stop working
Jul 07 01:57:47 <HebrewzHammer> I think I've made some progress
Jul 07 01:58:05 <HebrewzHammer> but I need to know where CM9 is installed on the fs
Jul 07 02:42:48 <krushia> heh
Jul 07 02:43:42 <krushia> wish webos ran on my treo
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