**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 26 02:59:58 2013 Apr 26 03:21:52 * PatrickC is away: I'm busy Apr 26 03:22:40 * PatrickC is back (gone 00:00:03) Apr 26 09:12:16 Hello all. Apr 26 09:22:34 It appears I can't edit wiki pages on http://www.webos-internals.org Apr 26 09:23:05 I used to be able to do that, last time I had something useful to write. Apr 26 09:31:42 iDG, dunno Apr 26 09:32:09 on a side note.. pancro, i will eat your heart if 13.04 breaks stuff upgrading D= Apr 26 09:32:45 It was just that I finally discovered a way to make USBNet work with MacOS X Apr 26 09:33:35 and I wanted to update my own comment on that on the USBNet page. Apr 26 09:33:42 sucks because the only thing i got it working on was linux. Apr 26 09:33:54 windows sucks. Apr 26 09:34:25 Turks, nooooo do a fresh install not an upgrade :) Apr 26 09:34:34 Turks, and switch to Ubuntu Phone when the time comes ;-) Apr 26 09:34:38 pancro, pfft, no choice. Apr 26 09:34:50 pancro, you gonna buy one for me? Apr 26 09:34:52 im quite happy with my Pre+ right now. Apr 26 09:35:17 Turks, still loving my Pre 3, nothing else compares to it when it comes to usability Apr 26 09:35:29 i'd also rather have a KDE Active phone as apposed to a unity phone. Apr 26 09:35:51 ewww... a kde phone... Apr 26 09:36:10 eww...a unity phone. Apr 26 09:36:36 I don't really like Ubuntu Phone. Apr 26 09:36:37 lol Apr 26 09:36:53 But FirefoxOS sucks really badly. Apr 26 09:37:01 the best competitor to open-webos that i've seen so far is kde active. Apr 26 09:37:14 I like many of the ideas behind it, I still think WebOS beats the hell out of the other mobile OSes, since 2009 Apr 26 09:37:36 working with cards is a delight Apr 26 09:37:45 having a physical keyboard is an absolute must for me Apr 26 09:37:50 webOS 2.2.4 is really slow on the "stock" pre2. Apr 26 09:37:51 but yeah pancro i've never had an issue upgrading ubuntu installs Apr 26 09:37:55 except the slowness on slow machines Apr 26 09:38:14 i spent 2 days upgrading once. Apr 26 09:38:19 wow. Apr 26 09:38:40 one upgrade run too. Apr 26 09:39:23 pancro, when the next LTS comes out i'm doing a military grade wipe of this laptop and switching to LUKS Apr 26 09:39:40 Turks, good idea Apr 26 09:39:56 not so keen on ecryptfs myself Apr 26 09:40:47 pancro, that what ubuntu uses?in the installer? Apr 26 09:41:15 oh god. bottleneck Apr 26 09:41:51 by default at least until 12.04 yes, ecryptfs is used when you tick the 'encrypt my home directory' box, I can't remember the following releases, but I thinkyou still need to download the alternate image if you want full LVM and LUKS Apr 26 09:46:17 pancro, i have the pxe workaround installed, heh. Apr 26 09:46:27 thats my main concern with the update Apr 26 09:46:51 pancro, so versions after 12.04 can use luks? Apr 26 09:46:55 or you dont know Apr 26 09:48:43 Turks, yes LUKS is available as long as you use the alternate image, but I *believe* (didn't check myself yet) you can use LUKS in 13.04 already Apr 26 09:49:13 with the default installer I mean Apr 26 09:49:26 I haven't upgraded yet, I'll wait for the bug reports to flow in :-) Apr 26 09:49:30 like i said though ill be doing this on the next LTS Apr 26 09:49:41 which is when, btw? Apr 26 09:49:45 14.04 Apr 26 09:49:53 12 months' time roughly Apr 26 09:50:05 so next year at april Apr 26 09:50:18 yup Apr 26 09:50:34 id rather wait for the bugs to be ironed out because i've heard horror stories about people using lvm/luks and updating stuff, everything broke. Apr 26 09:51:16 it's very delicate yes but as long as you go past the "where are my block devices" and "where is my key" stage, it really is just a disk for the OS Apr 26 09:51:40 if things break, they do when the OS is uncapable of mapping physical devices through LVM Apr 26 09:51:49 which is an indication of potentially serious problems Apr 26 09:52:22 eh i'd just prefer for it to be a common configuration option that's well supported in *buntu before i use it. Apr 26 09:52:31 plus 14.04 would probably be the last version this clunker supports. Apr 26 09:56:07 I hear ya Apr 26 11:19:27 Oh well. Apr 26 11:20:30 If anyone cares, here https://github.com/jwise/HoRNDIS you can find a RNDIS USB Ethernet driver for MacOS X Apr 26 11:21:08 The driver will work with the Pre / Pre2 by adding a few lines in the Info.plist Apr 26 11:21:39 HoRNDISDevice_PRE Apr 26 11:21:39 Apr 26 11:21:39 CFBundleIdentifier Apr 26 11:21:39 com.joshuawise.kexts.HoRNDIS Apr 26 11:21:39 IOClass Apr 26 11:21:39 AppleUSBComposite Apr 26 11:21:40 IOProviderClass Apr 26 11:21:40 IOUSBDevice Apr 26 11:21:41 bDeviceClass Apr 26 11:21:41 0 Apr 26 11:21:42 bDeviceProtocol Apr 26 11:21:42 0 Apr 26 11:21:43 bDeviceSubClass Apr 26 11:21:43 0 Apr 26 22:50:06 iDG: the wiki accounts require human verification now Apr 26 22:50:11 due to spammification Apr 26 22:50:24 leave a request for a wiki admin here **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 27 02:59:58 2013