**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 26 02:59:58 2012 Jun 26 19:13:28 So is webos-ports just for "ports" of webOS? Not improvement of UI? Jun 26 19:14:38 was the code only released to this group? Jun 26 19:15:00 isn't it at http://opensource.palm.com/WOCE/index.html? Jun 26 19:15:03 http://opensource.palm.com/WOCE/index.html Jun 26 19:15:08 that ^ Jun 26 19:15:13 nvm located Jun 26 19:15:15 thank you Jun 26 19:15:35 9mb? Jun 26 19:15:40 yeah, it's tiny Jun 26 19:15:49 of course "low-memory" deserved its own folder in the root folder of LunaSysMgr! :D Jun 26 19:15:49 includes images... Jun 26 19:16:04 Tibfib: it's "just" LunaSysMgr Jun 26 19:16:33 hmmm, what else is there beside core apps? Jun 26 19:17:15 Tibfib: no core apps, it's LunaSysMgr Jun 26 19:17:40 great Jun 26 19:17:44 right… is there anything else to webOS besides LunaSysMgr and the core apps? Jun 26 19:18:13 it would seem.. there should be. Jun 26 19:18:29 if we could compile this *and* put the binaries on our TPs with 3.0.5, that would be great. Though I doubt it will be that easy Jun 26 19:18:49 well it's "that easy" but there is no build instructions that I can see so it'll be a pain :p Jun 26 19:19:02 They're planning on open sourcing the core apps, right? Jun 26 19:19:10 in openwebos I guess yeah Jun 26 19:19:36 what exactly are those core apps anyway Jun 26 19:19:42 Lazar_Dobrescu: I guess that they've changed lots of code for the "community edition" and that it won't link to other libs and stuff as is :-/ Jun 26 19:19:50 email, sms, phone …. Jun 26 19:19:59 ka6sox: are you around? Jun 26 19:20:07 those all include a native component? Jun 26 19:20:18 ka6sox is away right now Jun 26 19:20:25 There are plenty of other pieces for the full ecosystem; e.g. the kernel, base system libraries, pulse audio, etc. Jun 26 19:20:25 Lazar_Dobrescu: no, these are in JS/Enyo Jun 26 19:20:38 scoutcamper: do you have an answer to my earlier question? Jun 26 19:20:39 mberg: Kernel is open source already (as it is GPL) Jun 26 19:20:46 "So is webos-ports just for "ports" of webOS? Not improvement of UI?" Jun 26 19:21:08 Tibfib: probably not Jun 26 19:21:12 pc-world: being in JS/Enyo aren't they kind of open sourced already by virtue of being in plain text on the device? :p Jun 26 19:21:13 patience Jun 26 19:21:24 Lazar_Dobrescu: don't confused readable with open source Jun 26 19:21:29 ofc not Jun 26 19:21:33 Lazar_Dobrescu: open source license vs available source code :P Jun 26 19:22:10 Yeah you're right I just meant in theory knowing it will become open source work can start by assuming it will be similar to what we see :) Jun 26 19:23:03 damn i saw this announcement and totally forgot what the heck it was that i was doing actual work on Jun 26 19:23:05 Oh, sure, mostly open source, though patched. (And mostly available from Palm. Lot of the packages aren't tagged in CE, but are on the WebOS 3.0.5 page: http://opensource.palm.com/3.0.5/index.html) Jun 26 19:23:10 Lazar_Dobrescu: yeah, but we can't distribute modified source code Jun 26 19:23:27 EricBlade: lol Jun 26 19:23:39 I don't remember either, I guess I was doing nothing Jun 26 19:23:44 Biggest problem is that there is a lot of source, but not enough documentation or build tools. Jun 26 19:23:56 palm is still palm Jun 26 19:24:00 yeah...same with the bits released so far Jun 26 19:24:04 patience folks Jun 26 19:24:11 db8...lookin' at you Jun 26 19:24:14 "it's basically code released to enable modifications of webOS for the touchpad" Jun 26 19:24:18 * bigbluehat chomps at bit Jun 26 19:24:31 OH HAI! Jun 26 19:24:37 ka6sox-away: Do you have an answer to my question? or is that an unknown at this point? Jun 26 19:24:48 Lazar_Dobrescu: I guess in Open webOS the core apps may be in Enyo 2 (if it ever gets released) Jun 26 19:24:48 so.. uh.. i guess this means it's .. uh.. luna, and we can play with luna Jun 26 19:24:49 I wish I had more time to play with this stuff. Biggest improvement I'd like is a packaged Isis for my TP. Jun 26 19:24:49 ka6sox-away: just tell us how we can help :) Jun 26 19:25:09 mberg: that's the web browser right? Jun 26 19:25:13 it looks like, this is intended to allow us to build a replacement luna for our touchpads Jun 26 19:25:15 Yeah. Jun 26 19:25:33 mberg: We're working on it! Jun 26 19:25:34 EricBlade: yeah, that's definitely the intention Jun 26 19:25:41 notoriously missing from this is the "Makefile.ubuntu" referenced in the build script :p Jun 26 19:26:04 best thing for right now...patience Jun 26 19:26:09 Lazar_Dobrescu: configure script and Makefile, that would be cool! But I guess our expectations are too high ^^ Jun 26 19:26:21 dkirker: i take it that the obstacles are slightly larger than "configure it to cross compile and then send it over" eh Jun 26 19:26:52 EricBlade: There have been a few. Jun 26 19:26:57 EricBlade: "slightly". lol Jun 26 19:28:26 you guys sound like sharks at a feeding frenzy Jun 26 19:28:32 there are now, like, 5 webOS IRC channels... Jun 26 19:28:45 ka6sox-away: obviouly you've never been with sharks at feeding frezy :p Jun 26 19:28:49 you have absolutely no patience Jun 26 19:28:59 ouch Jun 26 19:29:02 lol Jun 26 19:29:16 * EricBlade has plenty of patience. I was just hoping for something slightly more extensive. Jun 26 19:29:16 lazar...i have Jun 26 19:29:22 I'll be quiet when I have this thing compiled :P Jun 26 19:29:24 since no one have been making any demands yet I don't see any lack of patience Jun 26 19:29:35 ka6sox-away: along with the patience, what can/should we be working on/building? Jun 26 19:29:40 just people having fun discussing new shiny stuff Jun 26 19:29:50 Enyo 2 apps? Jun 26 19:29:57 yeah, we're just trying figure out the current status… Jun 26 19:30:08 ...and act accordingly ;) Jun 26 19:31:36 ... and all these thousands of source code lines are under Apache 2! very nice. Jun 26 19:32:57 more stuff is to come...having a bit of trouble with some release things Jun 26 19:33:57 namely, lawyers ;) Jun 26 19:34:15 ka6sox-away: we appreciate all you're doing Jun 26 19:34:16 seriously Jun 26 19:34:22 keep it up (please!) :D Jun 26 19:34:24 +1 Jun 26 19:37:27 watxh here in the coming hours Jun 26 19:37:48 yeah, found the source code for #addResourceHandler :) Jun 26 19:38:20 ka6sox-away: Is there a log of this IRC channel somewhere yet? Jun 26 19:39:29 found it on http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-ports/, though it seems it's still password-protected Jun 26 19:40:26 pc-world, ill work on that Jun 26 19:40:42 thanks Jun 26 19:44:56 pc-world, fixed Jun 26 19:45:03 pc-world, http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-ports.txt Jun 26 19:45:29 the archive is still password-protected Jun 26 19:45:55 pc-world, that is correct for now Jun 26 19:46:15 okay... downside is that the textfiles in /livelogs/ usually only contain the last 24 hours or so Jun 26 19:46:15 dkirker - appreciated! I feel like such a leech these days; all expectation, no contribution. Jun 26 19:46:48 pc-world, thatg will be solved "soon" Jun 26 19:47:08 scoutcamper: okay, thanks again. I guess you will just move the old logs somewhere else ;) Jun 26 19:54:46 patience... Jun 26 20:01:44 https://github.com/woce Jun 26 20:06:49 rrix, you asked a question in -internals...isn't that better dealt with here? Jun 26 20:07:40 sure, but the context of it was in the channel Jun 26 20:10:09 he he Jun 26 20:11:40 rrix: GO AWAY!! I mean, Hi! :D <3 Jun 26 20:12:04 love you too, buddy Jun 26 20:12:18 he he... Jun 26 20:12:35 sometimes I don't like github...now is one of those times. Jun 26 20:13:26 why's that? Jun 26 20:17:09 because its not cooperating Jun 26 20:40:35 github ALWAYS cooperates! Jun 26 21:00:17 hi happycube Jun 26 21:04:57 hey Jun 26 21:05:06 how're you holding up? Jun 26 21:07:06 bleh... Jun 26 21:07:11 too much going on. Jun 26 21:27:35 more things coming Jun 26 21:27:45 https://github.com/woce Jun 26 22:16:43 hi Jun 26 22:16:49 just saw the tweet about this Jun 26 22:17:13 so is this related to the "announcement" a few weeks back that was posted on precentral at all? Jun 26 22:17:30 there was never any follow up on that Jun 26 22:18:15 un_designer, what "announcement" are you referring to? Jun 26 22:18:41 derek posted an article about a group trying to port webos on to other hardward Jun 26 22:18:44 *hardware Jun 26 22:19:05 i can't remember what it was called... let me look for the article Jun 26 22:19:54 Phoenix Jun 26 22:20:00 http://www.webosnation.com/phoenix-looking-rise-ashes-webos Jun 26 22:20:01 this one Jun 26 22:20:25 not us. Jun 26 22:20:30 those guy never made any sort of follow up announcement Jun 26 22:21:06 thats not us Jun 26 22:23:49 what are you working toward? Jun 26 22:24:04 similar goal, right? if i read the announcement correctly... Jun 26 22:24:27 one day in the near/medium/far future webOS can be run on existing hardware Jun 26 22:25:08 *existing as in hardware from other manufacturer, not palm/hp hardware that currently exists Jun 26 22:25:09 I have no idea of what you are talking about... Jun 26 22:25:24 read our website and that will tell you what our goals are :D Jun 26 22:25:33 hi Adora! Jun 26 22:25:34 i did Jun 26 22:25:36 OH GOD ITS THE LISA OF DOOOOOOM Jun 26 22:25:37 welcome Adora Jun 26 22:25:41 i just went there Jun 26 22:25:59 heya, folks Jun 26 22:26:03 congrats =] Jun 26 22:26:16 that's how i found this irc channel Jun 26 22:26:50 is HP or someone providing UX/UI support? Jun 26 22:28:53 :D Jun 26 22:32:49 them crazy people Jun 26 22:41:01 so.... how bout them dodgers? Jun 26 22:42:46 Adora: hi, Hi, HI!!!!!! Jun 26 22:42:48 they lost to SF last night Jun 26 22:43:18 halfhalo: Shut up, b*, I get to deal with their fans and Giants fans if I don't catch an early enough train tonight... Jun 26 22:43:28 :P Jun 26 22:43:55 eff the dodgers! Jun 26 22:43:56 * dwc- ducks Jun 26 22:44:03 OI Jun 26 22:44:15 I KNOW THE ROUGH GEOLOCATION OF WHERE YOU LIVE Jun 26 22:44:30 eff the yankees? Jun 26 22:44:33 halfhalo: Who? Me? Jun 26 22:44:37 BYTE ME!! Jun 26 22:44:43 (you already knew where we are anyways) Jun 26 22:45:12 dkirker sounds like a personal problem Jun 26 22:45:19 now now Jun 26 22:45:23 :p Jun 26 22:45:39 so.... how bout them github repo's with LunaSysMgr-CE code? Jun 26 22:45:46 :D Jun 26 22:45:49 nice stuffa Jun 26 22:45:58 does it blend? Jun 26 22:46:36 yes Jun 26 22:46:36 folks Jun 26 22:46:38 yes it does Jun 26 22:46:44 * bhuey just saw the article Jun 26 22:47:58 * dkirker vomits bits of LunaSysMgr code Jun 26 22:48:03 sorry! I was eating some.... Jun 26 22:48:08 heh Jun 26 22:48:20 tried to swallow an unblended piece.... :] Jun 26 22:48:23 why would you do that... Jun 26 22:48:28 *BUUUURP* Jun 26 22:48:29 it has like NO nutritional value! Jun 26 22:48:46 https://github.com/woce Jun 26 22:48:51 gogogo Jun 26 22:48:52 gooooo redsox! Jun 26 22:51:23 ok, someone kick the redsox fan. Jun 26 22:51:38 boy did I start something or what? Jun 26 22:52:20 good thing i wore my shin guards today Jun 26 22:52:56 what are we talking about here... Jun 26 22:53:11 uhhh.... Nothing? Jun 26 22:54:22 was there another code drop today ? Jun 26 22:54:31 I see a distinct lack of lunasysmgr forks right now. Jun 26 22:55:14 +1 Jun 26 22:55:58 why should I fork it when I can clone it to my local fs Jun 26 22:56:09 whatever works Jun 26 22:57:18 impressive, sir Jun 26 22:58:52 pull requests. What type of person are you who doesn't use pull requests? Jun 26 22:59:58 Neanderthals? Jun 26 23:00:08 I have pull requests Jun 26 23:00:19 and then when the clay goes up, I pull the trigger Jun 26 23:00:49 so this is the first major release of luna ? Jun 26 23:01:33 (public, including source?) Jun 26 23:02:17 Its the full lunasysmgr code Jun 26 23:02:23 and the headers neaded to build it Jun 26 23:02:25 s/full/full and buildable/ Jun 26 23:02:38 what he said Jun 26 23:03:15 Bill: https://github.com/woce Jun 26 23:03:38 hey folks (sorry to interrupt / intrude), I'm a journo for a tech site and we're about to run a post for community edition, anyone care to give me a little insight in a sidechan? Jun 26 23:03:41 darn, and my first c++ class starts in september Jun 26 23:03:49 eew, c++ Jun 26 23:05:33 evanrodge talk to ka6sox. He is the one in the know. Jun 26 23:06:07 thanks halfhalo Jun 26 23:07:18 buhbye evanrodge Jun 26 23:07:25 lol Jun 26 23:21:33 my girlfriend insists that i get to work on active backgrounds. like, right away. i'm like.. wtf? Jun 26 23:21:56 well, you heard the lady. get on that. Jun 26 23:22:26 my guess is that actually running an app as the background to everything is probably something that might need more help than just luna Jun 26 23:22:41 on the bright side, webOS is probably better suited to it than Android Jun 26 23:22:58 well, get on that as well. Jun 26 23:26:21 EricBlade: Or just do active launcher backgrounds. No reason that it has to be the background to everything. Jun 26 23:29:16 once someone can demonstrate compilationating, then i'll have a look Jun 26 23:30:27 EricBlade: a little birdy has told me that is closer than you think. Jun 26 23:31:31 i was thinking that it would be quite soon Jun 26 23:35:16 * halfhalo plays hold music until then Jun 26 23:47:55 hmmm...could be! Jun 26 23:48:30 uploading files takes a long time. Jun 26 23:49:21 whoa, my touchpad just luna restarted on a palm-run. grr. Jun 26 23:49:28 its a sign Jun 26 23:50:24 i really should start doing development on emulator rather than actual device Jun 26 23:52:12 Emulator or desktop even, depending on what you're developing... :-) Jun 26 23:52:31 (desktop browser, that is, which is even easier with Enyo 2) Jun 26 23:53:22 well it kind of needs access to services, and the service bridge is annoying via chrome. and chrome is annoying with it constantly unsetting my command line parameters every upgrade.. and it upgrades like every other day Jun 26 23:53:57 yeah, that would be annoying. Jun 26 23:55:35 but, you're right, that would absolutely save me some time if i actually took the time to set it up so those weren't annoyances anymore Jun 26 23:55:57 (try safari?) Jun 27 00:11:12 hey, I'm a writer for a tech website drawing up a post about webOS Community Edition, anyone care to explain in their own words what LunaSysMgr functions as and how it fits into the road to Open webOS? Jun 27 00:11:43 talk to ka6sox Jun 27 00:12:07 hi Derfy Jun 27 00:13:01 hi ka6sox Jun 27 00:14:04 interesting Jun 27 00:14:30 Derfy, PM please. Jun 27 00:14:37 hi egaudet Jun 27 00:15:37 hey ka6sox how's it going Jun 27 00:16:15 pretty okay...a bit tired but thats fine. Jun 27 00:17:17 long day? Jun 27 00:17:33 long couple of days...but good ones. Jun 27 00:20:14 congrats on leading the ports :) Jun 27 00:22:16 <<< Cat Herder in Chief (and Chief Arrow taker) Jun 27 00:24:17 I eagerly await webos 1.0 porting to new hardware to commence :D Jun 27 00:26:00 So you have all of the TP sources now? Jun 27 00:26:16 we have LunaSysMgr now.. Jun 27 00:26:28 and the necessary bits to build that. Jun 27 00:26:46 OooOOooOoh the long awaited black box bohemoth Jun 27 00:26:54 heh Jun 27 00:27:26 egaudet, it does build... Jun 27 00:27:40 that's step 1, does it run? Jun 27 00:28:29 if you mean...does it blow up my touchpad...no Jun 27 00:28:44 hahaha Jun 27 00:28:57 ymmv Jun 27 00:29:57 well I may have to find some time to dust off the old hacking cap soon Jun 27 00:31:00 that doesn't mean we have a fully working ipkg that you can actually use preware to install... Jun 27 00:32:25 that's OK, once you have the source, you have the source, it's all downhill from there :D Jun 27 00:40:06 if you have what you need to build it...yes Jun 27 00:40:19 thankfully we have build-support pieces too. Jun 27 00:42:11 Indeed, I consider the build system part of source for the most part Jun 27 00:43:03 we worked hard to ensure that this was (externally) buildable on release day. :-) Jun 27 00:43:32 awesome! :) Jun 27 00:43:34 and so it shall be... Jun 27 00:43:38 * EricBlade cheers lemketron Jun 27 00:43:59 I like things that build out of the box :P Jun 27 00:44:24 i actually have everything that builds from owos on my ubuntu vm, including isis Jun 27 00:44:55 owos = old webos? Jun 27 00:45:00 openwebos Jun 27 00:45:19 Oh all the released parts, what's left for 1.0? Jun 27 00:46:06 i imagine at the very least, all the stuff that's in javascript Jun 27 00:46:16 and all the other binary services Jun 27 00:48:16 so like what did they release this round ? anybody ? Jun 27 00:48:33 LunaSysMgr, awesome Jun 27 00:52:00 when is the repo going to be up and publicly viewable ? Jun 27 00:52:05 can it be built ? Jun 27 00:52:26 https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr Jun 27 00:53:00 what other parts are needed to drive it to building a complete bootable system ? Jun 27 00:53:09 * bhuey bails but will be back Jun 27 01:11:55 bhuey, well..we have kernels..thanks to webos-internals... Jun 27 01:13:22 What's the open webos build plan? Widk? Jun 27 01:15:39 * oil cant wait to see what happens :) Jun 27 01:17:15 b00m Jun 27 01:17:44 kind of a mod to that... Jun 27 01:17:47 buwaha Jun 27 01:17:57 I really don't want to accept any more binaries.... Jun 27 01:18:13 if you can't show me how it was built...I really don't know whats in it. Jun 27 01:18:26 hm Jun 27 01:19:26 so we use cross-compile.mk but not the sb2 stuffs. Jun 27 01:20:40 How are all the dependencies handled Jun 27 01:21:02 Similar to widk with package dependencies in makefiles? Jun 27 01:21:29 HP gave us the header files and important bits to stage. Jun 27 01:22:23 (they are all in the 2 tarballs they released. Jun 27 01:22:23 ) Jun 27 02:32:49 morning hewball Jun 27 02:33:33 mornings Jun 27 02:34:28 so looking forward to this :D Jun 27 02:34:30 morning Jun 27 02:34:58 2g only pre3 is starting to get annoying Jun 27 02:37:19 ya, I hear y Jun 27 02:37:20 a Jun 27 02:37:26 well, it looks like adding the ability to switch apps with left/right swipes might be cake. might screw up patches that add that function to other things, though Jun 27 02:37:42 EricBlade: so we finally get what the TV ads showed? Jun 27 02:37:57 Sounds like a good first release target for webosports Jun 27 02:38:33 Something nice and small to pipeclean all the infrastructure and submission process and release process. Jun 27 02:39:57 i think i'll need to install this into a Visual Studio project for ease of searching Jun 27 02:40:40 web-o-sports Jun 27 02:40:52 but the include file for screen edge gesture seems to indicate that the code for detecting swipes from top,bottom,left,right is already there .. but i haven't located the actual code yet Jun 27 02:41:57 egaudet: it's clearly pronounced that way - web-aws-ports ;) Jun 27 02:42:42 egaudet, webOS-Ports Jun 27 02:42:49 or wOP Jun 27 02:42:53 ka6sox: no capital W ? Jun 27 02:43:05 WOP? Jun 27 02:43:11 lol :P Jun 27 02:43:26 Worts Jun 27 02:43:50 (and all) Jun 27 02:44:44 we welcome contributions to make the WOCE experience richer for users... Jun 27 02:45:46 if you need any testers let me know :D Jun 27 02:46:23 hewball, its all Alpha or at best Beta for WOCE.... Jun 27 02:46:38 thats fine with me Jun 27 02:47:00 hewball doesn't mind sacrificing hardware :P Jun 27 02:47:02 you are "off the reservation" (a uniquely american phrase) when you switch to using WOCE apps. Jun 27 02:47:20 wrea, I still don't believe in sacrificing too much hardware... Jun 27 02:47:31 maybe the occasional Salted device. Jun 27 02:47:55 Well then, I'll need you to throw a few devices into a blender Jun 27 02:47:58 wrea: i have an unused pre3 sitting here doing nothing just to prove it wasnt my phone causing modem crashes. i didnt kill it though Jun 27 02:47:59 For science Jun 27 02:48:13 heh Jun 27 02:49:33 now I guess I need to write the disclaimer....Bleh...Lawyers... Jun 27 02:49:57 "this will break your gear, do at own risk" Jun 27 02:50:01 I hardly touch my TP anymore, I need to change that Jun 27 02:51:16 this is gar-on-teed to break your device...use at your own risk. Jun 27 02:56:38 oh git how I hate you sometimes... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 27 02:59:58 2012