**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 14 02:59:59 2012 Jul 14 03:22:35 Surprisingly the message app gets a little slow when you have irc, google voice, sms, yahoo, and other things all running. Jul 14 03:22:51 ^ sarcasm Jul 14 03:23:52 ORLY??? Jul 14 03:28:50 I hope we can do something about the excessive performance drain messaging has. Jul 14 03:29:42 I primarily use my devices for keeping in contact with people Jul 14 03:29:46 maybe there's a way to drop update frequency for background plugins Jul 14 03:30:10 Nah its the crazy database accesses Jul 14 03:30:20 how big is the db? Jul 14 03:30:28 Probably Jul 14 03:30:59 maybe the db can be loaded into memory? Jul 14 03:31:20 No clue, but whenever a message comes in, you put it to the database, the database watcher triggers notifications all over the system for things listening for messages Jul 14 03:32:10 how much do you know about creating accounts and such? ^^ Jul 14 03:32:26 The conversation threader, the messaging app, I've probably got w couple thousand db watches Jul 14 03:32:53 any idea why webos pukes all over my accounts? :P Jul 14 03:33:24 Account creation? Easy peasy.. Look up the accountmanager .. Oh, you meant for that. Jul 14 03:33:33 ^^ Jul 14 03:33:48 i was digging through the dev docs on it, but i still haven't been able to narrow down the cause of the problem Jul 14 03:34:37 I dunno on that one. It didn't start working when you went back to stock right? Jul 14 03:34:51 right. Jul 14 03:35:08 the only other thing i did before installing my lunasysmgr was copy /media/internal Jul 14 03:35:15 i scp'd it to a backup server Jul 14 03:36:39 And everything else is working? Jul 14 03:36:45 yup Jul 14 03:37:00 it just won't retain account login information. makes me wonder if the db is locked somehow? Jul 14 03:37:56 Only thing I could think of would be to tail messages .. But I think you did that already. Doctor it? Heh Jul 14 03:38:12 which messages? it wouldn't be in the kernel log. Jul 14 03:39:28 oh, palm-log? Jul 14 03:39:51 I wonder if the difference in stacking is between using launch and open Jul 14 03:40:48 Tail that log from device, add an account and see what blows up? Jul 14 03:41:01 figuring out how to use palm-log. sec. Jul 14 03:42:20 [20120713-23:41:59.240792] info: validate service=palm://com.palm.imaccountvalidator/ method=checkCredentials, /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/0.10/framework/lib/accounts/source/login-utils.js:26 Jul 14 03:42:20 [20120713-23:42:01.086074] info: validationResponse: All requests are in!! Error=undefined, /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/0.10/framework/lib/accounts/source/credentials.js:209 Jul 14 03:42:22 wat Jul 14 03:42:34 the hell does that mean Jul 14 03:47:45 Well, that means it was able to verify your account login with the service provider Jul 14 03:48:22 I guess I got logged out.. Jul 14 03:48:37 Well, that means it was able to verify your account login with the service provider Jul 14 03:48:50 The next step is to hit the create account button Jul 14 03:50:57 my comcast has been dropping tonight too. i wonder if they're having issues. Jul 14 03:53:28 Wth Jul 14 03:53:47 my comcast was dropping earlier too Jul 14 03:58:32 I give up. Bbl. Jul 14 04:06:20 2012-07-14T03:56:07.937351Z [136677] webos-device user.info accounts.js: {com.palm.service.accounts}: HasCredentialsCommandAssistant: id=++I0Fk74c1CScplK Jul 14 04:06:20 2012-07-14T03:56:07.942438Z [136677] webos-device user.info keymanager[1851]: [keymanager] keyInfo request received. Jul 14 04:06:20 2012-07-14T03:56:07.942643Z [136677] webos-device user.info keymanager[1851]: [keymanager] keyInfo ++I0Fk74c1CScplK request for com.palm.service.accounts Jul 14 04:06:20 2012-07-14T03:56:07.942749Z [136677] webos-device user.warning keymanager[1851]: [keymanager] keyInfo ++I0Fk74c1CScplK failed. Jul 14 04:06:23 2012-07-14T03:56:07.995831Z [136677] webos-device user.warning LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: virtual Window* IpcClientHost::findWindow(int) const (349): Failed to find window with key: 23658504 Jul 14 04:06:26 2012-07-14T03:56:07.996048Z [136677] webos-device user.warning LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: virtual void WebAppMgrProxy::onMessageReceived(const PIpcMessage&) (267). Failed to find app with key: 23658504 msgType = 0x301a Jul 14 04:06:29 huh Jul 14 04:32:22 HaDAk` I don't know of anyone else experiencing what you are... Jul 14 04:32:26 I am certainly not Jul 14 05:32:09 b00m Jul 14 05:37:15 boom? Jul 14 05:37:38 no. b00m Jul 14 05:37:54 heh Jul 14 05:39:51 working on an Iconfile for LSM-CE Jul 14 06:12:06 kill -9 LunaSysMgr Jul 14 07:09:31 % Killed Jul 14 07:15:32 TY Jul 14 12:11:50 hello Jul 14 12:12:01 i was wondering what's in the Community Edition recently released by HP Jul 14 12:12:24 is there anything we can install ourselves and that's near to fully functional on a Touchpad? Jul 14 13:17:23 morning all Jul 14 13:43:03 morning ShiftyAxel-Pre Jul 14 13:43:27 hugoroyd, the wiki has whats new... Jul 14 13:46:08 ka6sox: thanks, i'll check it out Jul 14 13:46:48 right now my device has freezed on the USB symbol (I turned it off, plugged in via USB to my laptop and booted wihle maintaining the volume UP button) Jul 14 13:58:57 actually while doing 'lsusb' on my laptop i see that the device is well connected but i can't mount anything Jul 14 13:59:03 and anyway, novacom gives me: "failed to connect to serve" Jul 14 14:05:39 ha ok novacomd wasn't running, followed this http://blowintopieces.com/post/11697232947/novacom-complaining-failed-to-connect-to-server Jul 14 14:09:44 hugoroyd, good on you. Jul 14 14:10:26 ShiftyAxel, did you get sleep/ Jul 14 14:10:27 ? Jul 14 14:10:34 * HaDAk` rubs his eyes Jul 14 14:10:35 morning ka6sox Jul 14 14:10:36 i did indeed Jul 14 14:11:51 hiya HaDAk` Jul 14 14:12:08 ka6sox: is there a way to rebase all the branches of a repo at once? Jul 14 14:12:27 ShiftyAxel, not a git expert... Jul 14 14:12:31 ah Jul 14 14:12:39 I suspect you have to do them individually Jul 14 14:12:41 rebase? Jul 14 14:13:07 HaDAk: pulling in changes from the repo you forked from Jul 14 14:13:13 oh. Jul 14 14:13:16 * HaDAk` shrugs Jul 14 14:13:25 ka6sox: do you have any advice to dualboot cyanogen and webos? Jul 14 14:13:43 hugoroyd, not something I work on...sorry Jul 14 14:14:31 ok nevermind :) Jul 14 14:15:02 * ka6sox sips the first cup of Joe. Jul 14 14:16:11 brrr...its only going to be 20 today... Jul 14 14:17:32 ShiftyAxel, what is on your plate for today? Jul 14 14:18:02 ka6sox: the plan is to rebase all my branches so i'm up-to-date, then start atomizing fluid-gestures Jul 14 14:18:26 see if i can't get origanized and start issuing pull requests to the right branches Jul 14 14:18:35 should we start testing the new version of Tweaks today? Jul 14 14:18:48 and get something into Alpha? Jul 14 14:18:51 that sounds good to me Jul 14 14:19:11 okay, let me see about that this morning after this coffee takes effect. Jul 14 14:19:48 sweet Jul 14 14:20:05 there's a test/example json in the repo under examples/fluid-gestures.json Jul 14 14:20:50 thanks Jul 14 14:20:52 btw, what is the pull_req_5 branch for in woce/LunaSysMgr? Jul 14 14:21:14 let me look...dtzwill reorg'd yesterday Jul 14 14:26:13 oh, he dropped fixes and rebased, then re-issued the request from m__ for adding keyboards. Jul 14 14:26:13 so I think he is going to deal with that merge. Jul 14 14:26:19 the doctor bug has been fixed...that was annoying Jul 14 14:27:30 what was the doctor bug? Jul 14 14:32:00 the shutdown the cdnetworks account and moved everything to akamai Jul 14 14:32:12 the "official way to get to the doctors" worked fine... Jul 14 14:32:19 we directly accessed them... Jul 14 14:32:24 so that made us vulnerable. Jul 14 14:35:08 ah, i see Jul 14 14:35:39 uuurgh, git's slathering merge conflicts all over my README.md files Jul 14 14:35:56 blame me Jul 14 14:36:48 i'd rather blame mergetool, it isn't actually doing anything... Jul 14 14:38:41 yay, fixed Jul 14 14:40:10 okay I have insufficient rights to pull in your changes to add your changes to tweaks. Jul 14 14:40:27 can you tweet about where to find them and I'll RT? Jul 14 14:41:58 yeah, sure. a link to the .ipk on my git should be sufficient, right? Jul 14 14:43:04 can you add Skull and Crossbones? Jul 14 14:43:37 j/k...its Alpha is all. Jul 14 14:47:21 lol, skeleton tux would be funny Jul 14 14:49:54 yes Jul 14 14:50:20 ShiftyAxel, my Son is working on a logo for LSM-CE Jul 14 14:50:29 hopefully he will have that done today Jul 14 14:51:35 nice, what sort of theme is he going for? Jul 14 14:51:52 I asked him for KISS. Jul 14 14:51:53 also i think i'm going to have to spread this across two tweets, the links are going over the char limit Jul 14 14:52:00 ncie Jul 14 14:52:02 *nice Jul 14 14:52:17 the normal Luna one (the default) with CE in the lower right corner. Jul 14 14:52:26 just to so that we can find that out. Jul 14 14:52:35 (if thats what is running Jul 14 14:52:37 ) Jul 14 14:53:01 https://twitter.com/shiftyaxel/status/224154455426347009 Jul 14 14:53:01 it'll be headless so that won't be anything but a reference to a appinfo.json Jul 14 14:53:25 normal Luna one, as in the moon and blue circle? Jul 14 14:53:31 yes Jul 14 14:53:37 I like :) Jul 14 14:53:55 should totally use it as the bootlogo too, i grow tired of the HP branding Jul 14 14:54:29 oh, thats a tga of a particular size...we can work on that too... Jul 14 14:54:58 cool Jul 14 14:55:07 i managed to fit everything into one tweet in the end Jul 14 14:55:23 saw that...RT Jul 14 14:55:43 I use bit.ly to help me Jul 14 14:56:14 (it also lets me know how many have clicked it...) Jul 14 14:58:07 i'll keep that in mind- sounds like useful to me Jul 14 14:58:52 right, that's merging dealt with. time to atomize fluid-gestures and start writing Tweaks support into my other patchrs Jul 14 14:58:57 *patches Jul 14 14:59:30 let me see if I can sort out installing LSM-CE on the tp from Preware in a sane way... Jul 14 14:59:50 current way is a bit complicated Jul 14 15:06:29 complicated eh? Jul 14 15:06:33 ya, Jul 14 15:06:52 I have a Q&D way I prefer...but it makes some people nervous. Jul 14 15:07:48 since this is all ALPHA anyways.... Jul 14 15:07:57 Caveat Emptor applies. Jul 14 15:11:08 like siri Jul 14 15:11:18 i can live with that :p Jul 14 15:19:19 http://tux.crystalxp.net/en.id.18520-pusio-skeleton.html Jul 14 15:19:34 YMMV Jul 14 15:20:22 :D Jul 14 15:20:26 this is awesome Jul 14 15:20:39 shall i put it in tweaks 3.0 then? Jul 14 15:21:01 (i can see certain members of the community reading meaning into it, but hey) Jul 14 15:21:56 naw... Jul 14 15:22:07 I just was thinking about it for the boot screen. Jul 14 15:22:11 aight :p Jul 14 15:22:13 ooh Jul 14 15:22:43 as an alpha/beta thing, or a 'riiiise from your graaaaave' sort of thing? Jul 14 15:23:35 I am doctoring a test TP now, will test my UBE method if installing/uninstalling to see if I can get it to fail in an ugly state... Jul 14 15:24:33 righto Jul 14 15:25:38 i'm separating the 'eat mouse events on the screen edge' border into a separate patch- i'm thinking pull request against master? since it's not really a 'feature' as much as a 'should have been stock behaviour' Jul 14 15:26:17 sure, we will leave it up to dtzWill as to where he wants to apply it. Jul 14 15:26:34 (or have a discussion about said same.) Jul 14 15:35:43 sounds good Jul 14 15:35:57 whoops, i appear to have corrupted my TP's LunaSysMgr Jul 14 15:38:11 good, I feel better now...its not just me Jul 14 15:38:16 :D Jul 14 15:38:24 good thing SSH is independent of it Jul 14 15:50:58 hmm, this presents a problem Jul 14 15:52:09 if we're adding commits to webOS-ports/LunaSysMgr but patch pulls go to woce, then the pull requests from webOS-ports are going to get absorbed into them Jul 14 15:53:04 its too darned confusing... Jul 14 15:53:19 let me get back to you in a minute Jul 14 15:53:25 I need to consult with someone. Jul 14 15:53:26 isn't it just :s Jul 14 15:53:31 okey dokey Jul 14 16:00:35 also i don't think i'll be able to split up fluid-gestures any more than i have now- the up and side swipes use the same recognizer to reduce overhead Jul 14 16:01:37 kk Jul 14 16:14:10 'morning :) Jul 14 16:14:26 ShiftyAxel: saw your pull req then get removed; you looking to resubmit? :) Jul 14 16:14:45 dtzWill: I am indeed, but did you see the commit list? Jul 14 16:15:06 yeah, whoops. Jul 14 16:15:07 it sucked in a bunch of stuff from webOS-ports/LunaSysMgr, which didn't seem good Jul 14 16:15:23 stay strong, hopefully this will be behind us soon... Jul 14 16:15:32 indeed, any advice? Jul 14 16:15:42 ShiftyAxel: afaik there's no reason to look at webos-ports/* at any point, including having it as a remote Jul 14 16:15:54 (err not anymore i mean) Jul 14 16:15:58 yeah :p Jul 14 16:16:07 ShiftyAxel: sure--'git rebase -i origin/master' assuming 'origin' is the woce repo Jul 14 16:16:22 go through, and drop all commits that aren't the ones you want Jul 14 16:16:23 and ship it Jul 14 16:16:46 i'm guessing i have to drop commits via commandline git? Jul 14 16:16:57 oh, dunno how gui's manage it Jul 14 16:17:27 so yes I guess? Jul 14 16:17:40 i don't think they do Jul 14 16:17:46 time to get my learn on Jul 14 16:18:54 ShiftyAxel: at some point this is a pain to you all; if you're prefer to just post patches or similar Jul 14 16:19:16 hmm, that does sound appealing Jul 14 16:19:22 I/we can manage some of this git madness-- your help is very much appreciated and want to make sure you're able to keep doing those things :) Jul 14 16:19:50 if you'd prefer some patches then that's fine with me, but i'm happy to try wrapping my head around git commandline Jul 14 16:19:55 idk best place to post them for discussion, maybe the mailing list? :3 Jul 14 16:19:58 ka6sox: thoughts? Jul 14 16:20:40 ShiftyAxel: I'd prefer whatever you'd prefer ;). I'm just trying to make sure we don't have some git gymnastics requirement (that's largely worsened by mistakes we might've made thus far) Jul 14 16:21:08 I guess you could just point me to your commits on your repo ^.^ Jul 14 16:21:53 sounds good as an interim :) Jul 14 16:21:54 https://github.com/ShiftyAxel/LunaSysMgr/commits/catch-gestures Jul 14 16:21:56 but at least for the projects I work on, rebase'ing to the target branch is how we do thing to keep things clean. dunno how that works for things like this. Jul 14 16:22:04 * dtzWill looks Jul 14 16:22:18 from catch gestures to proper finished are the commits you'll be wanting, i think Jul 14 16:22:35 stuff before that is git prodding me with a stick Jul 14 16:22:45 * dtzWill nods Jul 14 16:22:56 I am wanting to make this easier on folks to contribute... Jul 14 16:23:11 okay 'catch-gestures' branch Jul 14 16:23:14 as appealing as it is to just "have it work" with github... Jul 14 16:23:14 ka6sox: 100% Jul 14 16:23:32 I'd rather take manual patches than cause frustration. Jul 14 16:23:43 and the ML is a perfect place for this. Jul 14 16:23:44 ka6sox: well I like having places to discuss patches. Jul 14 16:23:48 (publicly visible, etc) Jul 14 16:24:12 shrug Jul 14 16:24:18 ya, the ML is a good place for that. Jul 14 16:24:24 * dtzWill nods Jul 14 16:26:50 okay moving past git stuff temporarily Jul 14 16:27:01 ShiftyAxel: can you remind me why we're eating mouse events on the border? Jul 14 16:27:29 dtzWill: to stop them going to applications during a gesture Jul 14 16:27:53 it checks the 'enable advanced gestures' pref so it only does it when required Jul 14 16:29:33 the downside is that tap events are also eaten on the gesture border, which means there's a 15px dead zone where you can't click on stuff Jul 14 16:29:56 hmmm Jul 14 16:30:06 great, ty --the code checks two preferences, what's the other for? Jul 14 16:30:53 it shouldn't be checking sysUiGestureDetection anymore, that was removed in the last commit Jul 14 16:31:01 ah Jul 14 16:31:24 that's for my fluid-gestures patch, which i'm just reorganizing to play nicer with other code Jul 14 16:32:11 okay, that's what I thought. ty for splitting up as you have :) Jul 14 16:32:35 * dtzWill combines into single commit then Jul 14 16:33:53 so we define a deadzone so that mouse events that eventually are recognized as gestures don't get passed to applications. Jul 14 16:33:54 okay Jul 14 16:36:26 it's a little more kludgey than that, but you've got the right idea Jul 14 16:37:05 gestures are detected w/touch events because they're faster and allow for multi-touch, but most interaction with the OS is done with mouse events (for god knows what reason) Jul 14 16:37:41 so it checks the same 'trigger area' that the gestures do, and eats the events Jul 14 16:39:36 dtzWill, with the code we have would it be possible to make additional external BT keyboards work correctly with woce? Jul 14 16:44:02 ka6sox: dunno, wouldn't know sorry Jul 14 16:44:33 seems likely, but I'm not sure what issues current bt keyboards have. if it's just a mapping issue i'd guess so but really haven't look at the code much yet :/ Jul 14 16:44:47 right, that's my fluid gestures branch separated, i think Jul 14 16:44:56 * ShiftyAxel compiles with his fingers crossed Jul 14 16:45:34 I remember hitting certain keys on a Apple BT keyboard would restart either luna or the TP itself. Jul 14 16:45:43 ka6sox: lol! Jul 14 16:45:50 ya Jul 14 16:45:55 thats why I was wondering Jul 14 16:45:59 ShiftyAxel: i've pulled one of your branches, i think. some apps behave oddly, but i should double-check. should i send a bug-report here? Jul 14 16:46:30 madnificent, you can us the issues.webos-ports.org if you wish Jul 14 16:46:35 madnificent: a little more elaboration would be good, which branch? and what odd behaviour is this? Jul 14 16:46:51 ShiftyAxel: so this change is mostly a setup for your fluid-gestures branch? Or does it solve a problem we have 'today' with the up-swipe gesture sending events when it shouldn't? The resaon I ask is your fluid-gesture branch deletes this entire function anyway, heh :). Jul 14 16:47:17 ShiftyAxel: i'm on the wrong machine to check it out... Jul 14 16:47:26 (wait, let me see, i think i know its ip address) Jul 14 16:49:35 dtzWill: it fixes the current issue, and i'm just polishing off the rewrite of fluid-gestures so it'll work alongside it if present :D Jul 14 16:50:27 madnificent: fair enough if you can't find it, but can you remember the behaviour? Jul 14 16:51:11 * ka6sox doctors a sad TP... Jul 14 16:52:18 ShiftyAxel, I've decided to finish up dtzWill's elegant solution... Jul 14 16:52:28 ka6sox: for ipkification? Jul 14 16:52:40 yes Jul 14 16:52:59 ShiftyAxel: i'm using the low brightness thing and the tabbed cards (the latter is yours, right?) Jul 14 16:53:05 I had to ask one of the preware devs how preware knows to ask for a luna-restart Jul 14 16:53:24 madnificent: low brightness is mine, tabbed cards are courtesy of dukiedrew Jul 14 16:53:26 ShiftyAxel: some mojo apps (which come from the phone) don't seem to work anymore. but i should check it out. Jul 14 16:53:41 ShiftyAxel: ah, i don't think yours is the inflicting one then. sorry! Jul 14 16:53:55 ShiftyAxel: and thanks! it's awesome at night Jul 14 16:54:06 no worries :) dukiedrew can be found on twitter, github and sometimes in here if he's on Jul 14 16:54:26 and today @ OWC Jul 14 16:54:30 and ikr? :D should have been stock Jul 14 16:54:33 cool cool Jul 14 16:56:41 been a while since I've doctored a TP...I forget how elegant of a process it is. Jul 14 16:57:02 much nicer than the nail-bite fests of other platforms Jul 14 16:57:21 seriously, flashing droid devices is not a calm process Jul 14 16:57:43 the Nook-Color's upgrade process seemed sane. Jul 14 16:58:16 are we talking about a complete reflash here? Jul 14 16:58:26 no, this was just upgrade Jul 14 16:58:37 that doesn't sound so bad Jul 14 16:58:49 preumably plug in-run exe-profit? Jul 14 16:59:11 vagrant ftw! the process of using meta-doctor on a OSX machine wasn't fun Jul 14 16:59:25 but with the precise32 its a snap. Jul 14 16:59:31 yay vagrant :D Jul 14 16:59:42 excellent discovery you made there Jul 14 16:59:48 wasn't mine Jul 14 16:59:53 someone else mentioned it to me Jul 14 17:00:11 I just looked and saw that we could use it to our advantage. Jul 14 17:00:58 good afternoon scoutcamper Jul 14 17:01:08 lol Jul 14 17:01:11 * ka6sox pulls his chain... Jul 14 17:01:52 going from the position of the sun outside... Jul 14 17:02:01 oh wait, there isn't one. britain is atemporal Jul 14 17:02:12 yup Jul 14 17:05:52 dtzWill: I've got another patch for you Jul 14 17:05:54 https://github.com/ShiftyAxel/LunaSysMgr/commits/slide-gestures Jul 14 17:06:20 from 'Add ScreenEdgeSlideGesture' to the latest is the relevant stuff Jul 14 17:06:36 all tested and working nicely, and should be apply-able alongside EricBlade's patch too Jul 14 17:07:47 ShiftyAxel: do you have a place where you list the features of each of your branches? i found it hard to figure out what meant what based on the branch name alone. Jul 14 17:10:55 ShiftyAxel, I find that things said in IRC tend to scroll off... Jul 14 17:11:19 so requests for pulls and such either need to be on the issues server or in the ML...that way there is a more permanent record :D Jul 14 17:26:19 i return Jul 14 17:27:00 ka6sox: I think i'll pull a new repo from woce after i finish modifying and get everything into .patch files Jul 14 17:27:11 though the mailing list sounds like it's worth a look Jul 14 17:28:10 its been pretty dead...but this is a perfect place for this. Jul 14 17:28:44 how would i go about putting up a request on there? looks strictly read-only to me Jul 14 17:29:49 madnificent: I'm afraid I don't atm, I should probably add READMEs Jul 14 17:30:00 madnificent: any in particular that you're curious about atm? Jul 14 17:31:08 ShiftyAxel, you can always create an issue on the issues server and add watchers of the folks you want comments from Jul 14 17:37:48 sounds like a plan Jul 14 17:38:06 or i could just learn git, since i'm sure it'll come in useful at some point Jul 14 17:38:29 ShiftyAxel: i don't know what to think with each of the names... every name (aside from low-bright) spurs my interest, but i don't know what to expect. a few sentences is probably more than enough to express the concept. Jul 14 17:40:49 madnificent: catch-gestures stops apps from scrolling when you flick/drag in from the bezel, fluid-gestures should be ignored, luna-cleanup cleans up the lunaAnimations.conf parser (just code), luna-touch makes card view use touch events instead of mouse events (more responsive, allows for multitouch in card view) Jul 14 17:43:14 madnificent: no-launcher-button removes the launcher icon from quicklaunch so you can add an extra app icon, pinch-cards lets you pinch outward to maximize cards (but is purely a pre-luna-touch experiment and should be ignored), rounded-corners-tablet enables rounded corners in tablet ui mode (but doesn't look quite right yet), slide-gestures makes gestures trigger before your finger leaves the screen, snappy-animations is a lunaAnimations.c Jul 14 17:43:14 modification (that you don't need to compile) and status-bar-search adds a just type trigger to the status bar Jul 14 17:43:22 * ShiftyAxel gasps for breath Jul 14 17:44:13 and most of them are due for rewrites and syncs with woce/LunaSysMgr Jul 14 17:45:47 ShiftyAxel: thanks! Jul 14 17:45:52 welcome :) Jul 14 17:50:45 madnificent: and i'm about to push slide-statusbar, which makes status bar items open with a downward drag as well as swipe/tap Jul 14 17:52:41 i'm explicitly stating that i'll likely not build the following (time restrictions): but would it be helpfull if we'd have a place where these branches could get a one-line introduction and which would allow for a few screenshots to be uploaded so people know what branch does what? would anyone use it? Jul 14 17:53:02 LarrySteeze, ping? Jul 14 17:53:19 (i'm also not stating that i will not build it) Jul 14 17:54:17 ShiftyAxel, now that you have all these epic features, are you going to add the tweaks plugins to them so we can put all of the features in one build? Jul 14 17:54:59 madnificent: screenshots will probably have to wait until the release of woce, but i can put descriptions in the README.md files when i finish the nuke'n'remake that'll be coming along soon Jul 14 17:55:10 scoutcamper: already on it :) Jul 14 17:55:38 <3 Jul 14 17:56:32 ShiftyAxel, :D Jul 14 18:14:51 * ShiftyAxel has got this. Jul 14 18:15:53 "this"? Jul 14 18:18:24 ka6sox: as in 'I got this.'- the assuring phrase Jul 14 18:19:31 woot, fluid-gestures is now dead, leaving three children, slide-gestures, slide-statusbar and catch-gestures Jul 14 18:19:44 two of which now have working tweaks plugins :) Jul 14 18:38:04 right Jul 14 18:38:28 small PSA in case anyone tries to access my luna repo: i'm nuking it and re-cloning from woce Jul 14 18:52:40 he he Jul 14 18:59:29 that's one pull request down Jul 14 19:00:05 six to go Jul 14 19:00:30 morning all Jul 14 19:01:51 morning EricBlade Jul 14 19:02:06 morning EricBlade Jul 14 19:02:29 dtzWill, I think you are like 99% of the way there to making this an installable package Jul 14 19:03:20 when these six pull requests are in, i think my mods for this version will be pretty much complete :) Jul 14 19:03:33 in the description for Preware I think we need to put a warning that installing this *will* cause a luna-restart Jul 14 19:03:36 unless there are any significant delays that give me time to make more cool shit :D Jul 14 19:04:29 ShiftyAxel, unless something is just plain broken I hope by the end of this weekend to have the gesture mods (all that are given to us) included. Jul 14 19:04:44 most excellent Jul 14 19:05:09 if EricBlade's mods are Tweaksified then we can add those too :D Jul 14 19:05:17 (hint hint) Jul 14 19:05:56 i'm going to need to spend some time with one of you that's understanding the finer points of github to get things straightened out i think Jul 14 19:06:02 and git Jul 14 19:06:21 I've been nuking my repo and re-making everything against woce/LunaSysMgr Jul 14 19:06:59 I don't understand rebase etc well enough to make clean pulls from my old webOS-ports/LunaSysMgr repo Jul 14 19:07:20 ya, it was too confusing I think to have things in different places Jul 14 19:07:27 we have branches we can pull into now. Jul 14 19:07:53 everything's all organised like :D Jul 14 19:07:58 scary Jul 14 19:08:05 my knowledge of git includes "git pull", "git push", and the windows git gui version of "git fetch" and whatever command actually merges fetched things in Jul 14 19:08:17 git merge Jul 14 19:08:19 iirc Jul 14 19:08:29 but my git-foo is not superb... Jul 14 19:08:44 mine is terrible. Jul 14 19:08:57 I should put a poll someplace... Jul 14 19:09:08 to leave the rootf RO or RW. Jul 14 19:09:09 i know how to pull down stuff from the remote/github, commit changes and push back to it Jul 14 19:09:20 s/rootf/rootfs/ Jul 14 19:09:21 ka6sox meant: to leave the rootfs RO or RW. Jul 14 19:09:51 ka6sox: that sounds like a topic worth of discussion Jul 14 19:11:01 ShiftyAxel, do you have a repo with your version of tweaks in it? Jul 14 19:11:20 scoutcamper: https://github.com/ShiftyAxel/tweaks/tree/3.0 Jul 14 19:11:34 gratzi Jul 14 19:11:41 hi all. looks like doctors are back up with different url Jul 14 19:12:01 bluen, yep Jul 14 19:12:02 vilkommen Jul 14 19:12:14 bluen, yuppers Jul 14 19:12:24 any significance to the change? Jul 14 19:12:35 just where they live is all... Jul 14 19:12:42 seems like the new one is faster... Jul 14 19:15:18 I love it when there are standards... Jul 14 19:15:18 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards Jul 14 19:15:34 ShiftyAxel, is tweakes 3.0 "done"? are we ready to ask sconix to update it? Jul 14 19:15:55 scoutcamper: pretty much, there's one thing that needs adding but for the minute it works Jul 14 19:16:26 that one thing being checking the preferences service on startup and setting the controls' values correctly Jul 14 19:16:47 currently it relies on Tweaks' internal database for storing prefs, which is fine, but not ideal Jul 14 19:21:04 ShiftyAxel, so, is your thought to simply upgrade tweaks or seperate this into a new app? Jul 14 19:21:47 scoutcamper: simply upgrade tweaks, it seems like a sensible place to have the luna prefs. we've dropped moving other prefs into tweaks for now, on grounds of KISS. Jul 14 19:21:58 ShiftyAxel, ok Jul 14 19:22:04 sconix, ping Jul 14 19:23:31 ok. so. Jul 14 19:23:37 what are we fixing? Jul 14 19:24:18 HaDAk`? Jul 14 19:24:35 sup? Jul 14 19:24:39 HaDAk: Fixing? Jul 14 19:24:43 i dunno Jul 14 19:24:46 haha Jul 14 19:24:49 i'm at work. i've got 9 hours of fuckall to do Jul 14 19:25:01 i'm either going to slam my face against the wall trying to fix this messaging thing Jul 14 19:25:04 or we're going to fix something Jul 14 19:25:11 okey dokey Jul 14 19:25:21 unless you wanna help me fix the messaging thing ^^ Jul 14 19:25:41 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SkdZnbUmber1rGWgLD1bnDuEaIPvFoIEY7m3pxO_7MY/edit Jul 14 19:25:45 that's what i've found so far Jul 14 19:26:05 Tweaks 3.0 needs to check against the getPreferences PalmService to determine what values the controls are at when you open the app- at the moment it relies on Tweaks' internal settings database. ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO RESCUE THE PRESIDENT? Jul 14 19:28:04 also, that's Pull Request #3 down :D Jul 14 19:28:34 (I probably wouldn't be any help with messaging, and i'm rebuilding my Luna repo atm) Jul 14 19:29:10 HaDAk doctor? Jul 14 19:29:15