**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 20 03:00:00 2012
Jul 20 03:09:36 <tyrok_laptop> Where are Palm::WebView and Palm::WebPage located?  I'm assuming in the SDK?
Jul 20 08:05:10 <EricBlade> hmm. in my old career, i would work 10-12 hr days without thinking about it. i can write code for 12 hours at a time. working 12 hrs a week at a part time job is just a PITA though
Jul 20 11:51:11 <ShiftyAxel> morning all
Jul 20 11:58:17 <cryptk> morning
Jul 20 14:56:07 <HaDAk_> mornin
Jul 20 15:20:54 <ka6sox> morning....
Jul 20 15:21:51 <ka6sox> need coffee
Jul 20 15:25:53 <HaDAk_> indeed
Jul 20 15:25:57 <HaDAk_> i took vicdin instead
Jul 20 15:26:03 <HaDAk_> vicodin
Jul 20 15:29:01 <ka6sox> vicodin won't wake you up....
Jul 20 15:29:14 <ka6sox> I think it contains codiene....
Jul 20 15:29:38 <ka6sox> guess not
Jul 20 15:29:51 <HaDAk_> acetaminophen and hydrocodone
Jul 20 15:29:56 <ka6sox> (I fail "know your drugs")
Jul 20 15:30:30 <HaDAk_> http://www.drugs.com/vicodin.html
Jul 20 15:30:56 <cryptk> vicodin... not my drug of choice...
Jul 20 15:31:46 <HaDAk_> well, it's better than the alternative
Jul 20 15:31:51 <mberg> At least you guessed another opiod  :)
Jul 20 15:33:07 <mberg> Vicodin did nothing for me the only time I had it.
Jul 20 15:34:23 <HaDAk_> It helps a little bit.
Jul 20 15:34:28 <HaDAk_> It takes the sharpness out of the pain
Jul 20 15:36:45 <EricBlade> mornin guys
Jul 20 15:37:16 <HaDAk_> mornin EricBlade
Jul 20 15:37:37 <HaDAk_> so, i've been playing with this task switcher mod... i really, really like it. i'd like to vote that it be merged into the trunk.
Jul 20 15:38:28 <HaDAk_> i'd like to vote for a single change though... non-pdk apps shouldn't be smashed off the side of the screen when you swipe in from the side. instead, it should shrink them.
Jul 20 15:38:30 <HaDAk_> imo
Jul 20 15:39:15 <EricBlade> i've done no changes to that, only implemented the swipe gesture that was already there for phones.  Hopefully when combined with Shifty's patches for changing how the gestures work internally, it will stop passing them into the apps
Jul 20 15:39:46 <HaDAk_> i like it otherwise. trunk it! trunk it!
Jul 20 15:40:24 <EricBlade> I think it would be nice if they did shrink off to the side, and grow in from the other side, though
Jul 20 15:40:41 <HaDAk_> instead of pushing it off the screen?
Jul 20 15:40:58 <EricBlade> I'd also like to see PDK apps get a load screen, but my guess is that if that were an easy task, it'd have been done already
Jul 20 15:41:48 <HaDAk_> how do you mean?
Jul 20 15:42:06 <EricBlade> pdk apps don't do the pulsing icon load thing like others do
Jul 20 15:42:11 <HaDAk_> right
Jul 20 15:42:16 <EricBlade> or possibly they do, but it's so quick you never see it
Jul 20 15:42:26 <HaDAk_> i don't see why we need that
Jul 20 15:43:14 <EricBlade> an indicator that something is happening would be nice for those times when your pdk game doesn't load instantly
Jul 20 15:43:56 <EricBlade> so, where should I put the search box in the synergv app
Jul 20 15:46:01 <HaDAk_> that's a good point.
Jul 20 15:46:05 <HaDAk_> search box. hm.
Jul 20 15:46:52 <EricBlade> i'm leaning towards above the left scroller, just like in v1
Jul 20 15:47:04 <HaDAk_> you want me to mock up a nice ui suggestion?
Jul 20 15:47:21 <EricBlade> i would entertain the suggestion
Jul 20 15:47:33 <HaDAk_> just case i make one, doesn't mean you need to use it ^^
Jul 20 15:47:40 <EricBlade> :)
Jul 20 15:47:41 <HaDAk_> also, it's loading slower and slower
Jul 20 15:47:58 <HaDAk_> if it isn't able to sync with the server, i should still be able to load the list of stuff it's synced in the past
Jul 20 15:48:08 <HaDAk_> since it's having trouble communicating with the server, the screen is just gray
Jul 20 15:48:21 <HaDAk_> you should have it load with the cache, then do a background update
Jul 20 15:48:35 <HaDAk_> foreground updates make it worthless unless you're online
Jul 20 15:48:45 <EricBlade> future enhancement
Jul 20 15:49:45 <EricBlade> at this time, it only stores the information in the message database, that the messaging app needs, rather than the information it needs. i'll probably make that change, though.
Jul 20 15:50:44 <HaDAk_> :)
Jul 20 15:51:14 <EricBlade> "@microcenter: How long ago did you start using a Macintosh?" "Me: "About five minutes before defenestrating it"".  "Twitter: Microcenter has favorited your tweet!"
Jul 20 15:53:24 <HaDAk_> i had to look up defenestrating O_o
Jul 20 15:53:29 <HaDAk_> but it's funnier now that i know what it means
Jul 20 15:54:17 <ka6sox> automoderation FTW
Jul 20 16:13:50 <EricBlade> it boggles my mind that there's actually a word for that.
Jul 20 16:13:53 <EricBlade> (defenestration)
Jul 20 16:14:20 <EricBlade> i had a science teacher in high school that always threatened to do that to us. i didn't look it up till years later though
Jul 20 16:14:58 <scoutcamper> lol
Jul 20 16:15:14 <scoutcamper> i read that as something else at first :P
Jul 20 16:34:58 <ka6sox> LarrySteeze, ping?
Jul 20 17:31:12 <ka6sox> FM_Input=AES1,Mode=FM+HD,PO=5815
Jul 20 17:32:42 <ka6sox> I'm about to defenestrate this stupid TX....
Jul 20 17:32:54 <halfhalo> stab it with a spork!
Jul 20 18:50:56 <ka6sox> its too heavy...I can't lift it....
Jul 20 20:09:20 <bhuey> folks
Jul 20 20:09:43 <ka6sox> bhuey
Jul 20 20:10:09 <bhuey> what's up ?
Jul 20 20:10:56 <ka6sox> Air
Jul 20 20:11:17 * ka6sox checks to see if we have a new alpha of Tweaks..
Jul 20 22:04:06 <ka6sox> I guess no shifty one :D
Jul 21 00:43:03 <tyrok_laptop> Pushed some docs for WebAppManager and WebPage.  The docs for WebPage are kind of useless without some of the stuff in the Palm namespace being publicly documented.
Jul 21 00:43:56 <tyrok_laptop> Haven't pushed a new HTML version of the docs yet, though.  Probably won't do that until later.
Jul 21 00:45:03 <tyrok_laptop> Also would be helpful to have publicly available docs for the IPC stuff.  Drawing a blank there, too.
Jul 21 00:56:39 <LarrySteeze> ka6sox: pong, but I was told you went out of town!
Jul 21 00:58:11 <LarrySteeze> scoutcamper: you got me into trouble again
Jul 21 00:58:38 * scoutcamper didnt do nuthin
Jul 21 00:59:46 <halfhalo> lies
Jul 21 01:01:43 <LarrySteeze> you told me not to mess with pull requests because they are being taken care of
Jul 21 01:01:58 <LarrySteeze> and now ka6sox is looking for me and wondering why I haven't taken care of them ~_~
Jul 21 01:02:47 * scoutcamper didnt say that
Jul 21 01:03:32 <LarrySteeze> <scoutcamper> he is waiting for sconix to accept pull request for tweaks and dtzwill and i are looking at fhe woce pull requess
Jul 21 01:19:54 <ka6sox> hi
Jul 21 01:20:16 <ka6sox> he he
Jul 21 01:20:17 <EricBlade> hi
Jul 21 01:20:23 <ka6sox> hiya EricBlade
Jul 21 01:24:05 <halfhalo> boom
Jul 21 01:55:08 <HaDAk> tyrok_phone: are you learning a lot about luna while documenting this?
Jul 21 01:55:26 <HaDAk> tyrok
Jul 21 01:57:45 <tyrok_phone> HaDAk:: Most certainly.  :)
Jul 21 01:58:37 <HaDAk> good. you're going to be THE authority by time we're done with this.
Jul 21 01:58:44 <HaDAk> and i sure hope you are...cause i have questions ;)
Jul 21 01:59:29 <tyrok_phone> Learning a bit, too, about why it was so hard for them to add new features and fix bugs.  Lots of structural code.
Jul 21 02:00:35 <HaDAk> have you figured out any sort of way to limit the area in which it will take touch input for switching cards?
Jul 21 02:01:53 <tyrok_phone> Nope.  More been working my way up through card management stuff.
Jul 21 02:02:13 <HaDAk> ok
Jul 21 02:02:38 <tyrok_phone> WebPage took me a long time to figure out, and even the docs I wrote are pretty spotty.
Jul 21 02:03:33 <tyrok_phone> Without stuff in the Palm namespace (and I'm not using the SDK for reference so I don't violate the terms), some of it's kind of fuzzy as to how it works.
Jul 21 02:04:20 <tyrok_phone> Been ading @todo items so when they release it publicly we'll know where to go back and revise.
Jul 21 02:04:57 <tyrok_phone> They automatically show up in the Doxygen output's todo list.
Jul 21 02:05:57 <HaDAk> nice
Jul 21 02:06:06 <HaDAk> are you creating any doxygen output as you go?
Jul 21 02:06:25 <tyrok_phone> HTML docs, by the way, are lagging behind the code docs.  Revisions are large, so I figured I'd wait to regenerate until I get a bit more done.
Jul 21 02:07:12 <HaDAk> ok
Jul 21 02:07:16 <tyrok_phone> Wanted to at least finish the protected members of WebAppManager before regenerating.
Jul 21 02:12:05 <tyrok_phone> That's kind of a neat class, really.
Jul 21 02:13:14 <tyrok_phone> Got a decent amount of code to read.  Some of the purely structural classes have been obnoxiously difficult and boring to decipher due to lack of runnable code.
Jul 21 02:14:46 <ka6sox> :(
Jul 21 02:16:24 <tyrok_phone> ProcessBase was one of the more memorable ones that fit into the "boring" category.  Could probably be replaced with a struct.
Jul 21 02:17:17 <tyrok_phone> I think it was ProcessBase.  Don't have my laptop on.
Jul 21 02:18:03 <tyrok_phone> WebPage was the most frustrating.  I finally just called it quits on that until a few more classes are documented.
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