**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 26 02:59:59 2012 Jul 26 03:00:09 It's even a drop-in replacement. It would take almost nothing to switch it over. Only thing that would need to be done is find places that delete WebAppBases and convert them so they don't do double-cleanup. It'd be an easy fix and would make WebAppBase a bit easier (and probably less memory leaky) to use. Jul 26 03:00:30 Probably not any faster, but would just be a cleaner implementation. Jul 26 03:01:46 If all caller cleanup code was removed, it would take approximately 20 extra bytes in WebAppBase.h to convert it to a smart pointer system. Jul 26 03:01:59 Well, I guess you'd have the #include. Maybe 40 bytes. Jul 26 03:02:43 * tyrok guesses that sptr<> was probably added after a bunch of LunaSysMgr was built, considering the low usage of it. Jul 26 03:04:04 perhaps it was added in the open source process? Jul 26 03:04:51 Perhaps. Would have meant they somewhat haphazardly cleaned up some of the code to convert it to smart pointers when the old method sufficed. Jul 26 03:19:39 Ah. Correction - the page is deleted from WebAppBase, which means that the caller is handing us a pointer which we're invalidating without knowing if the caller still thinks it's valid. An even better justification for the use of a smart pointer. Jul 26 03:35:42 * ka6sox goes back to VHDL...to many levels of indirection. Jul 26 03:37:03 s/to/too/ Jul 26 03:37:50 The code structure for this is really quite C-like with all the singleton classes. Jul 26 03:47:37 Just pushed partial code docs for WebPageClient and WebAppBase. No HTML versions yet - I'd like to finish the two classes first since updates to the HTML versions are fairly large. Jul 26 03:53:33 kk Jul 26 03:53:52 please send a separate pull request for later ones. Jul 26 04:00:28 ka6sox: I only ever issued one pull request - the first commit I sent in for Main.cpp. Still being quite new to git and GitHub, how do I send in a different pull request for newer commits? Do I have to start another branch? Jul 26 04:01:07 nm...I guess I am missing something... Jul 26 04:01:53 K. To be honest, I have little understanding of how that whole system works. :) Really should read up more on DVCS, I suppose. Jul 26 04:03:23 For quick reference, here's the pull request in question: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/16 Jul 26 04:05:31 If I'm doing something wrong, I'd much rather know. :) Jul 26 04:05:48 <<< not the Git Expert... Jul 26 04:06:16 I wish I was...tommorrow night the Local LUG will have an "advanced GIT" which I have a series of questions prepared. Jul 26 04:06:50 dukiedrew, what is "kinetic scrolling"? Jul 26 04:06:53 Nice. I ought to see if anyone from my local LUG could do one. I know there are a couple people who know it quite well. Jul 26 04:07:10 tyrok, I *asked* for it... Jul 26 04:07:15 (so I better show up!) Jul 26 04:07:19 flick scrolling Jul 26 04:07:24 ie scrolling when you let go of your finger Jul 26 04:07:25 ka6sox: :) Jul 26 04:07:31 dukiedrew, thats what I thought... Jul 26 04:07:38 got a video of that? Jul 26 04:07:43 nope Jul 26 04:07:47 i was adding that to the cards Jul 26 04:07:50 tabbed cards* Jul 26 04:07:53 ah. Jul 26 04:08:09 before they would only move on a mousemove event Jul 26 04:08:23 looks more elegant now :) Jul 26 04:11:49 now i'm making the new card opening a wee bit more subtle when a card is already opened Jul 26 04:13:14 400 miles of driving today? Jul 26 04:13:47 today? Jul 26 04:13:54 20miles of bike riding... Jul 26 04:14:04 I'm still @ work. Jul 26 04:14:25 *trying* to not mess up a 1.5ghz Striplilne Jul 26 04:14:28 Stripline Jul 26 04:15:12 fun Jul 26 04:15:15 hmm, that was easy Jul 26 04:15:18 (commented out one line) Jul 26 04:16:30 okay, I think I have that done. Jul 26 04:23:15 4th order bessel -32.8db @ 32.768khz Jul 26 04:23:23 hmmm...wrong palce Jul 26 04:23:25 place Jul 26 04:24:24 sometimes I forget that synergy doesn't always switch the keyboard. Jul 26 05:15:28 too easy Jul 26 05:16:03 this tweaks stuff is great, now that it isn't crashing on me Jul 26 05:17:40 if only pushing to github would be easier Jul 26 05:20:55 ugh Jul 26 05:21:03 unfortunately if i were to do a pull request now with /woce Jul 26 05:21:21 it shows "19 changed files with 5,038 additions and 3,694 deletions." Jul 26 05:22:09 :-\ Jul 26 05:29:42 creationix: there are a number of videos which show the additions that ShiftyAxel and dukiedrew have made Jul 26 05:29:56 and those changes are on their forks on github Jul 26 06:32:33 where is the git tag button for creating a single unified pull instead of these 10-15commit messes. Jul 26 06:32:47 (on github) Jul 26 06:33:40 hum? Jul 26 06:33:47 Git tags just point to a single commit, they're like symlinks Jul 26 06:34:35 there has to be a way to make this cleaner... Jul 26 06:34:52 reading thru this is like watching Dallas. Jul 26 06:35:00 * rrix is working on a workflow on the wiki right now Jul 26 06:35:16 Yay! Jul 26 06:35:19 * rrix is surprised that rwhitby and folks haven't come up with a doc like this from the WOSI work..? Jul 26 06:35:45 Did WOSI not get a lot of pull requests on github? Jul 26 06:36:10 no, we moved it there *after* Aug 18th Jul 26 06:36:52 ahh Jul 26 06:37:03 in reality...everyone who was doing work has push rights there.. Jul 26 06:37:28 but that has waned a lot. Jul 26 06:38:40 Right Jul 26 06:59:43 ka6sox: you ask the author to rebase to a single commit before doing a pull request Jul 26 06:59:54 (if it really is one logical commit) Jul 26 07:00:06 otherwise, multiple commits is good for multiple logical units Jul 26 07:02:53 indeed Jul 26 07:12:12 the issue is that what I am seeing is multiple different bits all being rolled up into 1 pull request... Jul 26 07:22:49 Yup Jul 26 07:22:57 Which in and of itself you should be rejecting for Jul 26 07:23:02 * rrix bbl Jul 26 08:05:06 * rwhitby bbl Jul 26 08:11:00 rehi Jul 26 08:37:01 Huh, my Vagrant appears to be totally buested Jul 26 08:37:03 busted Jul 26 08:37:08 * rrix spins up a new one he guesses Jul 26 08:59:14 hmmm, fun, sourcery.mentor.com isn't giving me any downloads Jul 26 09:02:49 all of their mirrors are down, woo Jul 26 09:03:22 * rrix will review patches in the morning, he supposes Jul 26 10:23:02 morning all Jul 26 10:42:41 ka6sox-away: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/26/andre_hedrick/ Jul 26 10:42:51 bummed about this Jul 26 10:43:03 just got word tonight about it Jul 26 14:34:02 mornin all Jul 26 14:46:40 morning EricBlade Jul 26 15:33:50 morningall Jul 26 15:34:02 morning ka6sox Jul 26 15:35:56 hiya ShiftyAxel Jul 26 15:36:29 whats on today's plate? Jul 26 15:38:38 making gestures better Jul 26 15:38:39 again Jul 26 15:39:41 just finishing up the prototype of advanced app switching remade, cards now track w/the finger when switching in fullscreen Jul 26 15:39:56 but they have this obnoxious upwards shift that i need to fix Jul 26 15:41:14 i won't be offended in the slightest if my work gets supplanted by better work. :) Jul 26 15:41:40 this is good to hear :P Jul 26 15:42:19 just polishing up a preview video now, at least i will be when my pre finally gets around to rebooting Jul 26 15:51:55 when synergy-desktop works...its awesome...but its failures are "craptacular" Jul 26 16:02:01 EricBlade, too many things with the name "synergy" Jul 26 16:09:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNIYO9oXS2c&feature=youtu.be Jul 26 16:09:02 ta-daah Jul 26 16:14:01 did you tweet that? Jul 26 16:19:59 that's way awesome shifty. i still wonder if we can manage to not pass any of the UI processed gestures to the apps though Jul 26 16:20:55 can anyone tell me what Luna is doing with the ESC character? (besides eating it?) Jul 26 16:21:37 it should be forwarding it to the apps as a Back signal Jul 26 16:22:44 all evidence says its being eaten for breakfast... Jul 26 16:23:04 *from external BT keyboards* Jul 26 16:23:12 * ka6sox-away should have clarified Jul 26 16:23:37 hmm. does it work in phone app? Jul 26 16:23:58 * ka6sox-away has never used a BT keyboard for the phone app. Jul 26 16:25:11 a phone-designed app, in the little emulator thingy Jul 26 16:25:43 I'm not tweeting it tip it's a bit more done, at least i'd prefer not to :) Jul 26 16:26:21 EricBlade: that's sorted, take a look at my catch-gestures branch Jul 26 16:26:36 i noticed in your video, you started dragging a swipeableitem :) Jul 26 16:26:55 yeah, it slows it down like hell when there are Qt animations and WebKit ones going at the same time Jul 26 16:31:16 morning Jul 26 16:31:56 morning dukiedrew Jul 26 16:32:56 did y'all figure out the pull request strategy? Jul 26 16:35:59 dukiedrew, its a WIP...but I hope to get it sorted today. Jul 26 16:36:08 its closer however. Jul 26 16:36:11 wirc: making long transit rides bearable since 2011 Jul 26 16:36:11 much closer. Jul 26 16:36:11 great Jul 26 16:36:42 ie, there will be a document to follow? Jul 26 16:37:10 my pull request strategy is just to deny everything and laugh manaically. Its worked pretty well so far. Jul 26 16:37:44 [as opposed to me googling, assuming i did it all correctly, and then the request shows like 15 different commits, instead of 1 compared to the woce master] Jul 26 16:38:47 I think the biggest thing is going to be getting people to work in feature branches and solve their own emerge conflicts. Jul 26 16:38:57 merge conflicts* Jul 26 16:39:56 merge conflicts compared to woce's master? Jul 26 16:40:01 ie, whatever master is, Jul 26 16:40:02 i fork it Jul 26 16:40:06 add my "feature" Jul 26 16:40:11 branches make it much harder to mix things up like that and project maintainers shouldn't be the ones trying to figure out which code is relevant Jul 26 16:40:11 then make sure it doesn't break? Jul 26 16:41:28 dukiedrew: before doing a pull request you should pull from woce master and solving the merge conflicts, then make sure it doesn't break Jul 26 16:41:49 the wirc text box is really hard to tap into on the pre3 :( Jul 26 16:42:15 hmm Jul 26 16:42:22 so the pull request I submitted Jul 26 16:42:29 I cloned the woce/master Jul 26 16:42:33 then made all changes to that Jul 26 16:42:39 and then sent that as a branch on my github Jul 26 16:42:46 and then pull requested this back to woce/master Jul 26 16:43:09 * rrix pulls up your pull request Jul 26 16:43:33 however, the pull request still shows a bunch of "commits" Jul 26 16:43:47 so i probably didn't do the branch part correct Jul 26 16:43:49 (I need to switch transit in a few moments, btw) Jul 26 16:44:28 dukiedrew: it should show a bunch of commits, that's Good. but just for a single feature, not a bunch of features and random other things Jul 26 16:45:24 hmm Jul 26 16:45:38 ok, well i'm sure i'll get feedback Jul 26 16:46:01 i'm holding off on the tabbed card pull request until this one is all settled Jul 26 16:46:22 * rrix is working on getting a sane workflow lined up with ka6sox Jul 26 16:46:47 great Jul 26 16:47:06 anyway, I'll probably see you at the hackathon (you're presenting, right?) Jul 26 16:47:11 what'll probably happen with this one is that we'll cherry pick each feature in to its own branch and pull request each of those branches Jul 26 16:47:15 yup, I am Jul 26 16:47:21 (shit that's next weekend) Jul 26 16:47:32 great, if i'm still confused, perhaps we can discuss there Jul 26 16:48:10 thanks! Jul 26 16:48:31 definitely. I'm hoping that we can nail down a nice workflow by then, honestly but we can sit down and fix anything that still needs love Jul 26 16:48:54 * rrix has cleaned up much worse things in $Dayton :) Jul 26 16:49:01 dayjob. ... Jul 26 16:49:29 then I will see both of you... Jul 26 16:49:46 (not that I can hack on anything other than a good steak!) Jul 26 16:50:19 sounds like a good chance to dive in and learn imo ;) Jul 26 16:50:58 enyo's pretty easy to learn, I think Jul 26 16:51:35 okay, at the bus center, brb Jul 26 16:51:59 if you are an OOP...sure... Jul 26 16:52:42 ha Jul 26 16:53:08 MOV #0x1002,0x32 Jul 26 16:53:37 STA #0x1003 Jul 26 16:56:10 your greybeard is showing :p Jul 26 16:57:43 thats a step up from toggling in bootloaders at least. Jul 26 17:07:19 bbl...heading to get new 1080i encoder Jul 26 17:08:20 USB tether has the unfortunate feature of kernel panicking my pre3, too. So many rough edges :( Jul 26 18:05:28 * rrix tries to make sense of dukiedrew's pull request now that he has a full internet connection Jul 26 18:08:01 :D Jul 26 18:36:48 Okay, folks, here's a draft of some guidelines on how to craft pull requests. http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Pull_Requests_Guidelines Jul 26 18:36:54 Any thoughts on how to make it better? Jul 26 18:38:02 * ka6sox-away stands up to take the arrows :D Jul 26 18:38:24 Myself and some other folks use this workflow for some of my dayjob contracts on github as both a commiter and PM in much this fashion, but by all means, I want to see it made better, not just how I do things :) Jul 26 18:39:06 Hey, those are mine. I collect arrowheads Jul 26 18:39:07 :P Jul 26 18:40:32 * ka6sox hands rrix the arrowheads...after he removes them. Jul 26 18:40:37 hehe Jul 26 18:46:20 hello again Jul 26 18:47:23 hiya ShiftyAxel Jul 26 18:47:35 Okay, folks, here's a draft of some guidelines on how to craft pull requests. http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Pull_Requests_Guidelines Jul 26 18:47:36 [11:36] Any thoughts on how to make it better? Jul 26 18:50:27 I like it Jul 26 18:51:08 perhaps add a note about 'git mergetool' somewhere Jul 26 18:51:16 i find that most useful when fixing conflicts Jul 26 18:52:51 ShiftyAxel: What's mergetool? Jul 26 18:52:52 * rrix googles Jul 26 18:53:10 ShiftyAxel: btw, your pull requests look very nice, thank you for making them look nice :) Jul 26 18:53:48 ShiftyAxel: interesting, I'm going to have to play with that later. Jul 26 18:54:05 rrix: I was going to ask if mine fit the criteria, good to know :) Jul 26 18:54:40 it's a good little command, i think it's OS-agnostic too. it runs opendiff for me (OSX) Jul 26 19:01:32 ShiftyAxel: Only comments are less "update foo" more "make foo do bar" and more atomic commits :) Jul 26 19:01:35 Yeah, it seems like it Jul 26 19:01:39 Me gusta! Jul 26 19:02:14 Yay, build env is set up again! Jul 26 19:02:25 * rrix switches from phoneternets to wifiternets Jul 26 19:04:31 rrix: I'll keep that in mind for further requests- will my current ones be accepted as-is? Jul 26 19:05:51 That's up to ka6sox :) Jul 26 19:06:24 I'm going to be testing various pull requests throughout the day Jul 26 19:06:56 ShiftyAxel, after we get the submission process reviewed and folks sign on to it, then we will be able to determine which are fine as is, and which need to be reworked to meet the guidelines. Jul 26 19:14:04 rrix: ooh, that sounds good :D Jul 26 19:14:16 ka6sox: cool, thanks! Jul 26 19:17:35 ka6sox-away: I kind of want to add an actual git clone of Luna to the woce-build vagrant file, rather than just having the tarball pulled in from the default make target. Thoughts? Jul 26 19:18:08 What was the reason for doing tarball downloads of the repo? Jul 26 19:18:22 * rrix missed most of the discussion around setting up woce-be ;( Jul 26 19:47:35 Oh shit, I forgot my testing tablet had an almost-working plasma-active image on it Jul 26 19:47:46 couldn't get the msm touchscreen driver working though Jul 26 19:51:42 rrix: plasma? this piques my interest Jul 26 19:51:49 though it sounds NDA-ey Jul 26 19:56:16 ShiftyAxel: Not NDA-y, just me playing around with Mer on the touchpad Jul 26 19:56:48 Not anything worth showing off though Jul 26 19:57:02 rrix: oho, neat stuff Jul 26 19:57:16 Yeah Jul 26 19:57:22 lost interest when I couldn't get the touchscreen stuff working Jul 26 19:57:56 woo, business cards arrived! Jul 26 19:58:51 http://t.co/HTLVs6Gt http://t.co/VpCHL6es Jul 26 19:58:57 Best 80$ joke ever Jul 26 20:00:52 stylish :) Jul 26 20:01:09 woot, fluid gestures reborn now works in all orientations Jul 26 20:01:17 We took the worst vistaprint template we could find and bought a lot of them Jul 26 20:01:38 ShiftyAxel: I just commented on PR #8 Jul 26 20:01:41 I'm gonna go grab lunch now Jul 26 20:01:55 oh yes, shall see to that Jul 26 20:02:10 okay lunch is a good thing(tm) Jul 26 20:10:30 rrix: Nice having the correct commands to run to do it correctly. It's taken me some time to reprogram myself from SVN methodology/terminology to that of git. Jul 26 20:11:50 if there are many pull requests already submitted Jul 26 20:11:56 should one wait for them to clear first? Jul 26 20:12:19 i mean it is great if there are no conflicts when merging w/ master Jul 26 20:12:31 but master could change with upstream requests Jul 26 20:18:24 ya, thats an issue where master would move along as it gets updated Jul 26 20:18:52 so either we would have to create snapshots or some other methodology to give everyone a common place to diverge from. Jul 26 20:19:04 well Jul 26 20:19:11 as shifty's got a lot of pull requests in the queue Jul 26 20:19:18 perhaps I'll just wait until those are all processed, Jul 26 20:19:21 take a look at what's changed Jul 26 20:19:25 and then redo my pull request? Jul 26 20:19:56 probably that will end up happening in the next 24-48hrs as we shake out all this...then your patches can be modded Jul 26 20:20:12 don't withdraw them as we would need them for commenting on how to fix. Jul 26 20:20:32 well this document already is very helpful Jul 26 20:20:48 one issue though is my master LunaSysMgr has a lot of changes I don't want related Jul 26 20:21:06 it might just be easier for me to create a 2nd account Jul 26 20:21:15 ya, I wish we had done this a while ago...too many irons in the fire. Jul 26 20:22:05 does anyone know where the bluetooth device attaching code is located? Jul 26 20:22:44 probably in the BT stack and Manager code for the BT devices. Jul 26 20:23:05 also, Jul 26 20:23:16 I've found Src/input/hiddkbd_qws.cpp, but it doesn't seem to be used anywhere in LunaSysMgr Jul 26 20:23:25 if you make fundamental code changes (ie, changing QVector to QList) Jul 26 20:23:38 should you wait for those pull requests to be accepted before pushing new pull requests? Jul 26 20:23:56 i assume yes, wait Jul 26 20:24:16 dukiedrew, if other things are dependent on those changes then yes. Jul 26 20:24:34 if they are not related then they can be done in parallel Jul 26 20:24:44 hmm, ok Jul 26 20:25:04 ka6sox: where is the Manager code for the BT devices? Is it published already? Jul 26 20:25:17 LunohoD, I don't believe thats been published yet Jul 26 20:25:37 I'm interested in changing bt keyboard layout on the fly Jul 26 20:25:59 all right, well i'll still wait until you tell me to proceed. at that point, i'd probably break that first pull request into 3ish: general changes to CardGroup.h (ie the QList, plus some helper functions I've added, plus fixing breaks elsewhere that this causes), then infinite cycling, then MT card grouping Jul 26 20:26:42 LunohoD, talk to dtzWill when he is around... Jul 26 20:26:46 and m__ Jul 26 20:26:58 m__ has contributed keyboard code recently Jul 26 20:27:06 there is .qmap loading code in the LunaSysMgr source code tree, but it's not compiled into the LunaSysMgr binary Jul 26 20:36:00 LunohoD, you want to remap the keycodes on the fly? Jul 26 20:36:07 or switch out keyboards? Jul 26 20:36:53 rrix, this one seems to follow the guidelines: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/12 Jul 26 20:37:36 ka6sox: I want to switch between US and RU layouts Jul 26 20:38:04 LunohoD, makes sense Jul 26 20:38:35 not surre where the mapping code lives. Jul 26 20:39:34 would this be similar to the swedish keyboard changing? Jul 26 20:39:52 except its not OSK Jul 26 20:39:58 its BT Keyboard mappings Jul 26 20:40:02 yes Jul 26 20:40:11 they are in the .qmap files Jul 26 20:40:33 in /usr/share/qt4/keymap Jul 26 20:40:43 *keymaps Jul 26 20:41:02 is the file definition understood? Jul 26 20:41:23 * ka6sox hasn't looked at that area. Jul 26 20:41:44 yes, it's standard qt embedded stuff Jul 26 20:42:06 i was able to create my own .qmap file with cyrillic characters Jul 26 20:42:25 but the tp knows only about us,uk,fr and de Jul 26 20:43:01 if i place my .qmap in place of keymap-de.qmap (i've got a german bt keyboard), it works fine Jul 26 20:43:33 but it's a pita to copy files and reattach the keyboard each time you want to switch the layout Jul 26 20:44:08 * LunohoD AFK Jul 26 20:49:26 rehi Jul 26 20:52:22 rrix, wb Jul 26 20:52:27 hope you had a good lunch Jul 26 20:52:29 I had grilled cheeses with bacons :) Jul 26 20:53:59 * bhuey is about to head to Las Vegas for DefCon 20 Jul 26 20:54:11 * dukiedrew briefly considers a second lunch... Jul 26 20:54:21 found out that a friend of mine in the industry committed suicide two weeks ago Jul 26 20:54:26 andre hedrick Jul 26 20:54:37 ShiftyAxel: Where do those two patches you mention in PR8 live? Jul 26 20:54:49 the person that wrote the first IDE/ATA implementation in the Linux kernel back in the day Jul 26 20:54:49 bhuey: Nice, I almost went today but I heard it got cancelled again Jul 26 20:55:00 what got cancelled again ? Jul 26 20:55:08 DEFCON Jul 26 20:55:14 Goldstein's plane crashed on the way in, so they're just going to have a memorial service at the Rio all weekend Jul 26 20:55:34 Goldstein ? Jul 26 20:55:41 what the hell ? Jul 26 20:55:47 * rrix is joking Jul 26 20:55:52 the running joke is that DEFCON always gets cancelled Jul 26 20:55:54 rrix: one is in PR10, looks like EricBlade removed his Jul 26 20:56:17 ok Jul 26 20:56:22 i will look in a few moments Jul 26 20:56:23 who's Goldstein ? Jul 26 20:56:29 what'd i do? Jul 26 20:56:30 or are you just joking ? Jul 26 20:58:29 bhuey: Goldstein's the 2600 guy. I'm just joking, don't mind me :) Jul 26 20:59:57 2600! Jul 26 21:00:11 * ka6sox remembers blueboxes :D Jul 26 21:00:17 and phone phreaks Jul 26 21:01:10 dukiedrew, inline translation does make things "interesting" Jul 26 21:01:13 i umm.. don't know anything at all.. about this topic. o.O Jul 26 21:01:36 EricBlade, are you being facitiuos? Jul 26 21:01:43 * EricBlade shushes ka6sox before Ma Bell shows up Jul 26 21:01:57 he he Jul 26 21:02:02 yeah, it was fun Jul 26 21:02:30 EricBlade, at least you didn't have someone deliver a #5ESS to a manhole cover... Jul 26 21:02:55 that i truly don't know anything about Jul 26 21:03:09 it looks supiciously like a ST-1 form though Jul 26 21:03:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5ESS_switch Jul 26 21:05:15 the processor was a 3b2 running SysV Jul 26 21:05:37 "embedded unix" Jul 26 21:05:59 actual system v? Jul 26 21:06:07 a RT variant Jul 26 21:06:33 i guess it would make sense for it to be an actual system for a phone network Jul 26 21:07:12 i remember back in the late 80's how much we hated coming across actual att unix Jul 26 21:07:19 when I went to the class for that switch we each got a 3b1 Jul 26 21:07:40 to *take* with us... Jul 26 21:07:56 i think i have a crasher that might be in Luna, might be elsewhere Jul 26 21:08:42 after a 10+ minute reboot cycle i'm not sure i want to do any more testing on it o.O Jul 26 21:08:56 fun... Jul 26 21:09:03 bisecting that could be fun... Jul 26 21:09:13 i don't think it's ours Jul 26 21:09:39 ah Jul 26 21:10:23 now I remember unix-rtr Jul 26 21:11:35 hmm. there are definitely some issues still with the double height dashboard idea Jul 26 21:12:08 i won't be able to address that probably till next week Jul 26 21:20:49 Eric, do you have a link to a screenshot of that again? Jul 26 21:22:52 dukiedrew: http://ericbla.de/gvoice-webos/?p=529 Jul 26 21:23:28 thanks Jul 26 21:23:32 does it start out that height? Jul 26 21:23:35 or grow to that height? Jul 26 21:23:50 it starts out at that height Jul 26 21:24:22 looks like i need to work out some special handling when the double height one is last in the visible list, or not visible because of other notifications though Jul 26 21:25:19 hmm Jul 26 21:25:33 i wonder if you could take the double height idea Jul 26 21:25:49 and also do like a "double-sided" notification Jul 26 21:26:09 ie flip the notification, and then buttons would appear for you to do stuff Jul 26 21:26:18 [drag down over a notification perhaps] Jul 26 21:26:27 hmm Jul 26 21:27:07 you could do that on the web side Jul 26 21:27:09 i figured there should be a button to switch between normal/double height Jul 26 21:27:28 but that involves lots of hacking Jul 26 21:27:54 rrix: i'll apply that patch now, can't believe i missed that... Jul 26 21:28:00 <3 :) Jul 26 21:32:43 rrix: guidelines look good Jul 26 21:37:08 rwhitby: Awesomeness Jul 26 21:37:19 * rrix is digging through pull requests and testing and reviewing them Jul 26 21:37:33 while also figuring out how his client's RHN is setup … >_> Jul 26 21:39:31 go rrix go! Jul 26 21:41:18 ShiftyAxel: can you let ka6sox know when you've fixed 10? Jul 26 21:42:00 rrix, ka6sox: pushed the fix just now, running the just-compiled build on my TP with no issues Jul 26 21:42:08 awesome Jul 26 21:42:23 I'm compiling 17 right now Jul 26 21:42:50 The commit you pushed is the same as my working build so consider that my +1 :) Jul 26 21:44:01 17 is a good one, I like 17 Jul 26 21:44:06 subtle, yet effective Jul 26 21:44:57 It works, whatever you did :) Jul 26 21:44:59 How does it work? Jul 26 21:45:16 slowly drag a card horizontally Jul 26 21:45:34 without the patch the card 'snaps' by ~15px when the drag event begins Jul 26 21:46:07 indeed Jul 26 21:46:12 also, if you start dragging from just above the quick launch and your finger touches a card, it doesn't do a massive snap anymore Jul 26 21:46:18 vertically Jul 26 21:46:22 The massive snap was the thing I noticed Jul 26 21:46:32 yeah, it fixes that too Jul 26 21:46:37 Yup :) Jul 26 21:46:52 :D Jul 26 22:46:38 can I get a general consensus about a UI thing from the court? Jul 26 22:46:55 it's about my rewrite of my rewrite of fluid gestures Jul 26 22:48:13 should the transition be like the fullscreen app switching transition (non active cards are smaller) or have all the cards the same size during switch? Jul 26 22:48:21 full-size would allow for 'peeking' Jul 26 22:48:57 I'd like to be able to peek..if it doesnt' hurt app functionality Jul 26 22:49:16 I assume this is from screen edge inward to allow you to "peek"? Jul 26 22:49:22 indeed it is Jul 26 22:49:27 it doesn't break anything Jul 26 22:49:29 that would be useful Jul 26 22:49:55 i may have to disable the card dimming during peek too, for visual clarity, but that should be doable Jul 26 22:50:05 what I'd like is to not have to go into cardview to switch apps with that Jul 26 22:50:22 flick apps from the side if you go over 1/2 way Jul 26 22:50:44 what do you mean by flicking from the side? Jul 26 22:50:50 like a standard flick gesture? Jul 26 22:51:17 drag finger from off screen (right or left) to over center which would cause it to switch apps to the one you are exposing Jul 26 22:51:34 it does that :) Jul 26 22:51:47 at least i think it does what you mean Jul 26 22:51:51 * ka6sox needs to get a better cluebad. Jul 26 22:51:59 s/cluebad/cluebat/ Jul 26 22:52:11 if you drag in from the sides and release, it'll switch to the one closest to the center Jul 26 22:52:25 but if you flick it'll switch in that direction from the one closest to the center Jul 26 22:53:05 what I was thinking is you have to expose the card underneath more than 50% for it to switch Jul 26 22:53:29 meaning a peek won't switch Jul 26 22:53:36 but a "page turn" will Jul 26 22:53:43 yeah, that's how it works Jul 26 22:53:53 :)))))D Jul 26 22:54:16 the only reason it's not ready for primetime is the way it handles stacks Jul 26 22:54:29 it just displays them as a stack, i need to write a new arrangement function of some sort Jul 26 22:54:53 in this case I want to see a FS representation Jul 26 22:54:55 not a stack Jul 26 22:55:23