**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 27 02:59:59 2012 Jul 27 03:05:08 Is there a guide for running WOCE in the emulator? Jul 27 03:05:40 * tyrok does not have a TouchPad, just a Pre, Pre Plus, and Pre 2. Jul 27 03:26:34 Is there an VirtualBox image for the TouchPad? I'm only seeing <= 2.2.4 on the SDK download page (though I'm still downloading the SDK for Ubuntu and haven't checked for it when I was under Windows). Jul 27 03:30:31 Ah, nevermind. Looks like the SDK comes with one. Jul 27 04:27:59 Eureka! A bunch of the stuff I had trouble documenting due to missing docs for stuff in the Palm namespace now looks to be solved. It's in the WebKit patch. Jul 27 06:11:46 morning stefan_schmidt_w Jul 27 06:11:56 hi ka6sox-away Jul 27 06:12:06 ka6sox-away: how is it going? Jul 27 06:12:26 pretty busy...but things are going well. Jul 27 06:13:50 ka6sox-away: not to bad Jul 27 06:14:06 lazy is always better then busy but as long as its going well :) Jul 27 06:15:07 I wish I could be lazy Jul 27 06:15:33 no rest for the wicked ;) Jul 27 06:17:33 ka6sox-away: you always can make your own choices. So to be lazy. The real question is if you like the consequences. :) Jul 27 06:17:54 * stefan_schmidt_w wears his amateur philosopher head this morning Jul 27 06:32:00 stefan_schmidt_w, I like Lazy like a FOX Jul 27 10:14:29 does anyone know how to rebuild all qt4 libraries? Jul 27 11:37:40 hm Jul 27 11:38:51 http://downloads.help.palm.com/opensource/3.0.5/qt-4.8.0.patch.gz contains errors, which make it impossible to build the libraries Jul 27 13:19:37 LunohoD: The build environment script seems to build it just fine. Jul 27 13:43:54 tyrok: it does not build the .so libraries Jul 27 13:44:06 i mean the qt4 libraries Jul 27 13:45:00 for example, I had to fix 3 errors to build libqpalm.so Jul 27 13:47:18 LunohoD: K. Haven't tried that specifically. If you get it working, please let us know so we can put the fix into the repos. Jul 27 13:48:57 those errors are fixed in the openwebos qt4 repo git://github.com/openwebos/qt.git Jul 27 13:49:34 Awesome. Jul 27 13:50:22 who is working on it? Jul 27 13:53:50 No idea. I've been just working on documenting LunaSysMgr. Jul 27 13:58:53 * HaDAk_ groans Jul 27 13:58:55 too early Jul 27 15:27:40 LunohoD, that would be HP... Jul 27 15:29:18 HaDAk_, I agree... Jul 27 15:30:13 morning all Jul 27 15:30:47 Morning ShiftyAxel Jul 27 15:30:55 * scoutcamper waves hi at everyone Jul 27 15:31:14 LunohoD, tyrok has been making so that I can understand who is what in this :D Jul 27 15:32:44 hmm, what to work on today Jul 27 15:34:28 gah, thank you mountain lion for erasing my 'to-do' list Jul 27 15:38:12 ShiftyAxel, you seemed pretty tired when you finally quit last night Jul 27 15:38:51 ka6sox: it was 2AM, and my sleeping shedule's back to normal. I was indeed pretty tired :p Jul 27 15:39:25 you really did make it seem like: Jul 27 15:39:28 ~ugt Jul 27 15:39:39 wehre is that silly bot! Jul 27 15:39:48 * scoutcamper goes to find it Jul 27 15:39:48 * ShiftyAxel looks around Jul 27 15:39:53 it's escaped! Jul 27 15:40:43 * scoutcamper kicked it back in here Jul 27 15:41:33 morning Luna-ChannelMGR Jul 27 15:42:29 okay... Jul 27 15:42:46 ty scoutcamper|away for finding our lost bot...how shall we ever repay you? Jul 27 15:43:14 (I'm sorry...it does not rain Chocolate Google Nexus 7's) Jul 27 15:44:17 lets see if the builder was in a good mood last night and produced a 3.0.1 ipk Jul 27 15:49:04 drumroll please Jul 27 15:51:07 bzzzzzzzt Jul 27 15:51:11 it didn't make it... Jul 27 15:51:16 let me see if tinkerbell has it Jul 27 15:53:41 tinkerbell? Jul 27 15:54:24 when the builder misbehaves I call it nasty names. Jul 27 15:55:10 it didn't make it into the master. Jul 27 15:55:36 can you see if your latest pull requests for that got pulled in? Jul 27 15:56:42 ka6sox: let's see, tweaks itself has been updated Jul 27 15:57:17 but the makefile hasn't Jul 27 15:57:21 the pull request is still open Jul 27 15:58:00 and you made the changes that rwhitby asked for? Jul 27 15:58:25 yeah, he said to ping him again when it got pulled in i think Jul 27 15:58:32 but by that point i was unconscious Jul 27 15:58:57 okay ping him....one time only...and when he is concious he will do it. Jul 27 15:59:15 cool Jul 27 15:59:19 rwhitby: ping? Jul 27 15:59:32 let him know why the ping. Jul 27 16:00:36 rwhitby: responding to the message on github re build, can you merge now? Jul 27 16:06:11 it will be his Saturday so no telling when he might be around. Jul 27 16:06:25 the joys of WWD Jul 27 16:06:37 (world wide development) Jul 27 16:07:35 haha, indeed Jul 27 16:07:58 I like the way you can leave mentions for people in IRC, neat way of doing things Jul 27 16:08:24 as long as ZNC doesn't die a grizzly death...should work fine. Jul 27 16:09:44 ZNC? Jul 27 16:09:59 a bouncer Jul 27 16:10:09 (not the kind down at the pub) Jul 27 16:17:15 ZNC sounds very useful Jul 27 16:17:54 it is.. Jul 27 18:10:56 victory! Jul 27 18:11:08 fullscreen swipe appswitching is now working as intended Jul 27 18:11:17 at least, no more up-scoot Jul 27 18:11:20 now to fix stacks Jul 27 18:20:15 you broke stacks o.O Jul 27 18:28:56 EricBlade: nah, they just don't work with my switching :P Jul 27 18:29:13 they display as, well, stacks, but they should separate out during fullscreen switching Jul 27 19:51:34 ah, right, i imagine you're doing things totally differently than the old code Jul 27 19:52:06 i would assume you can flick without having to actually drag the whole app into place right Jul 27 19:53:13 whoops Jul 27 19:53:24 that boy needs a bouncer :D Jul 27 20:07:41 EricBlade: yes indeed, the gesture recogniser detects both :) Jul 27 20:34:39 * bhuey is at DefCon 20 Las Vegas NV Jul 27 20:35:31 as long as you didn't get lost over near BH Jul 27 20:39:51 eh ? Jul 27 20:43:12 Black Hat...sucked into the Vortex Jul 27 21:05:16 * ShiftyAxel needs to read up on hat fashion among coders Jul 27 21:05:23 ... Jul 27 21:06:23 anything but BLACK. Jul 27 21:11:38 i choose a top hat made out of transparent polycarbonate Jul 27 21:12:17 HEAVY Jul 27 21:14:23 I want Mr. Steed's Bowler Jul 27 21:15:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avengers_(TV_series) Jul 27 21:16:26 * ShiftyAxel looks Jul 27 21:16:31 I don't see Iron Man anywhere... Jul 27 21:16:47 (j/k) Jul 27 21:17:40 heh Jul 27 21:17:55 or OddJob's bowler....that one could slice the head off of statuary. Jul 27 21:18:10 now that's a cool hat Jul 27 21:18:20 I was always quite partial to Van Helsing's hat Jul 27 21:19:00 many a villain has worn that kind of hat Jul 27 21:22:05 ShiftyAxel, what music do you code to? Jul 27 21:23:53 * ShiftyAxel strokes a cat and grins evilly Jul 27 21:24:21 depends, most often stuff like Justice, The M Machine, Feed Me Jul 27 21:24:37 though i've also been known to enjoy some Pink Floyd and suchlike too Jul 27 21:24:40 you? Jul 27 21:26:06 * rrix peeks in and stretches Jul 27 21:28:01 ugh, olympics.... I can't go anywhere without seeing it on a tv :( Jul 27 21:30:20 lol Jul 27 21:34:12 aye, that feeling i know Jul 27 21:36:08 ok, Jul 27 21:36:23 back home then get stuff done time Jul 27 21:41:01 w00h00! Jul 27 22:29:59 ShiftyAxel: merged now Jul 27 22:30:16 rwhitby: excellent, thanks! Jul 27 22:30:20 ka6sox: ping? Jul 27 22:31:36 error: pathspec 'v3.0.1' did not match any file(s) known to git. Jul 27 22:31:44 ShiftyAxel: we need a tag on tweaks repo Jul 27 22:32:02 ShiftyAxel: did you tag your repo before the pull request? Jul 27 22:32:26 rwhitby: no, i'm guessing i should close it, tag and reopen? Jul 27 22:33:44 no wait, since it's already pulled… Jul 27 22:35:18 no, I just added a tag on upstream Jul 27 22:35:30 ah, good stuff Jul 27 22:35:59 ShiftyAxel: should be in the feed now Jul 27 22:42:03 rwhitby: excellent, i'll download and test Jul 27 22:47:41 scoutcamper|away: makefiles need TABs, not spaces. doctor.mk fixed. Jul 27 22:51:51 ka6sox: I wear a bowler hat sometimes. I'll be wearing one for a good part of this weekend. They're kind of cool. Jul 27 23:09:43 whew, looks like the switching patch is nearly done Jul 27 23:10:01 would anyone care to test? Jul 27 23:52:25 oh man, such a lazy day Jul 27 23:54:52 ShiftyAxel: have you tested the beta distribution of tweaks to make sure it built and packaged correctly? Jul 27 23:55:14 rwhitby: i have, it's working on my touchpad Jul 27 23:55:20 thanks Jul 27 23:55:45 one more step towards a LunaSysMgr release in Preware ... Jul 28 00:00:29 ShiftyAxel: I'm having trouble getting 14 and 15 working on top of 8 and 12 for some reason :( Jul 28 00:00:39 I thought I commented on the PR last night but I must have gone insane Jul 28 00:00:53 The animations are all strange and I don't know lunaAnimations.conf well enough to debug it Jul 28 00:02:05 rrix: that's really weird, define strange? Jul 28 00:02:31 ripple doesn't go away, application drawer doesn't animate and the carrier string/app name is randomly getting glitchy Jul 28 00:02:39 I spent like three hours trying to figure out wtf I broke last night Jul 28 00:02:43 O_o Jul 28 00:02:52 Yeah Jul 28 00:02:58 I have no idea Jul 28 00:03:06 i have an idea Jul 28 00:03:19 I think I borked the merge or something but all the files appear to be the same as in your PR Jul 28 00:03:47 how are you combining branches for testing? if you're using the updated lunaAnimations.conf from 15 without the internal modifications from 14, things might break Jul 28 00:04:50 i never did figure out the precise ins and outs of why, but i think the order of items is important in lunaAnimations.conf, if it's expecting one thing but gets another then values may get misplaced Jul 28 00:04:53 I did a git checkout -b off of master and pulled in your branches in order from 8 12 14 and 15 Jul 28 00:05:14 * rrix tries again now that he is not dead fucked tired Jul 28 00:05:52 heh Jul 28 00:06:06 ShiftyAxel: it's 17:00, yes I am just now waking up enough to code ;P Jul 28 00:06:18 excellent ;) Jul 28 00:06:23 i have people bugging me about if it's going to be possible to build this for 2.x. has anyone poked at that yet that we know of? Jul 28 00:06:39 I went to get lunch earlier and it was so hot out side that I came home and watched Iron Giant and drinking beer instead of working Jul 28 00:06:42 EricBlade: I don't think that's possible atm, dependencies Jul 28 00:07:21 EricBlade: specifically, lots of different versions of libraries that would make it explode horribly on 2.x, backporting probably not possible Jul 28 00:08:24 yeah i was just curious if we knew if anyone had actually tried anything like that Jul 28 00:08:31 ShiftyAxel: ok, http://privatepaste.com/5731dc65a7 <== that's the merge conflict when playing 15 on top of 14. I take it the bottom selection is correct based on the commit logs? Jul 28 00:08:33 didn't expect it would be easy if it is possible Jul 28 00:09:37 rrix: the bottom one is the one you want Jul 28 00:09:39 kk Jul 28 00:10:06 * rrix builds and installs new lunaAnimations.conf Jul 28 00:10:25 good luck rrix Jul 28 00:11:05 My roommate has a really good chip/videogame cover Pandora station Jul 28 00:11:13 alternating between 8bit weapon and the Minibosses Jul 28 00:11:59 * rrix installs new Luna Jul 28 00:14:32 * rrix adds his vagrant SSH key to github and pushes nonworking branch Jul 28 00:29:46 rrix: you didn't merge animations-cleanup? Jul 28 00:30:09 yeah Jul 28 00:31:35 you'll need to switch to the old lunaAnimations.conf again, if the new one's still on your TP? Jul 28 00:32:21 I am confused Jul 28 00:32:34 I have both -cleanup and -update on my TP Jul 28 00:33:03 right, i was going off the branch you just pushed to github Jul 28 00:33:11 and it's still acting weird? Jul 28 00:33:21 i just updated that branch Jul 28 00:34:11 looking at it, it should work fine Jul 28 00:34:53 There's a cat on my head Jul 28 00:35:49 there's one by mine Jul 28 00:36:38 argh, what did I do to this poor branch Jul 28 00:43:03 rrix: still broken then? Jul 28 00:43:08 Yeah... Jul 28 00:43:41 * rrix ponders Jul 28 00:43:42 gimme a minute to finish commit-ing my next pull and i'll try making a branch from what i have here, see what's going on Jul 28 00:43:48 ok Jul 28 00:43:56 I am not sure how these patches could be interacting Jul 28 00:44:10 -cleanup and -update work perfectly fine when it's just the two of them Jul 28 00:44:17 but on top of the other patches, it implodes Jul 28 00:48:21 ShiftyAxel: Sorry to be such a pain on this, not sure what I'm doing wrong. if you can get a branch going that has all of the pull requests you're trying to get in to woce master, we can probably get that working nice and quick Jul 28 00:49:08 rrix: no worries, i'm sure there's some kind of logical explanation :) Jul 28 00:49:20 I … should sign up for the enyohackathon Jul 28 00:49:26 shit, I just realized I wasn't signed up, xD Jul 28 00:49:26 and i could do one massive pull, but surely that's against the guidelines? Jul 28 00:49:58 ShiftyAxel: Leave the pull requests how they are, if you can get a branch that has all of those working, we can pull them in manaully from it Jul 28 00:50:32 works for me :) Jul 28 01:00:41 righto, building now Jul 28 01:00:52 let's see what goes on™ Jul 28 01:23:43 rrix: tested and working for me Jul 28 01:23:49 weird. Jul 28 01:24:01 code available here: https://github.com/ShiftyAxel/LunaSysMgr/tree/combo-for-rrix Jul 28 01:35:42 and on that note, i'm going to call it a night Jul 28 01:35:43 nn all Jul 28 01:36:35 folks Jul 28 01:45:32 Maybe I need to doctor or something Jul 28 01:56:23 well, gentlemen, here's a list of the first stumbling blocks if one were to attempt to put this into webOS 2.2 Jul 28 01:56:57 missing libraries: libhal, libaffinity, libqpalm, libQtDeclarative, libpsc, libQtScript, libQtSql Jul 28 02:08:25 The Qt ones get fixed by rebuilding Qt Jul 28 02:08:36 Those are all in 4.8 standard, just turned off with compile flags Jul 28 02:08:46 Interesting that 3.x uses Declarative... Jul 28 02:09:46 well, 2.2 uses Qt 4.6 Jul 28 02:10:13 Oh, fun Jul 28 02:10:54 That's a larger issue than all the missing libs ;) Jul 28 02:18:32 according to some interesting things i see via the googles, it "should" be ok to replace 4.6 with 4.8 Jul 28 02:18:41 and maintain binary compatibility Jul 28 02:24:23 well, that wasn't too difficult Jul 28 02:24:29 it doesn't "work" though Jul 28 02:24:50 but i did get it to "run" Jul 28 02:30:32 the 4.8 libs are missing something called a QWS Server Jul 28 02:31:32 EricBlade: QWS is the stack that renders the pixmaps to the display Jul 28 02:32:17 It *should* have a QWS server, if we're using it in 3.x … Jul 28 02:33:22 our build process defines HAVE_QPA, which turns off usage of QWSServer in Luna Jul 28 02:34:00 ahh right, duh Jul 28 02:34:10 i don't really know what i'm talking about Jul 28 02:34:20 I vaguely do, I haven't Qt'd in too long Jul 28 02:34:26 especially embedded Qt Jul 28 02:34:45 but, it looks like the 2.2 Luna wants qwsServer, and the 3.0 does not Jul 28 02:34:51 and the 4.6 libs include it, and the 4.8 libs do not Jul 28 02:35:04 hmmm Jul 28 02:35:17 * rrix frowns Jul 28 02:35:33 I dont think it'd be very easy to port a 3.5 QWS server to QPA Jul 28 02:35:38 4.6* Jul 28 02:35:44 they're different architectures Jul 28 02:36:07 Oh man, I forgot how good the Pilot episode of X-files is Jul 28 02:36:29 someone was talking about building QT from the woce source earlier Jul 28 02:40:48 unless there are further stumbling blocks, getting a Qt with the palm patches and QWS Server enabled, looks like it would allow running 2.2 with Qt 4.8, which probably doesn't give us anything, but at least would eliminate some issues Jul 28 02:40:55 in trying to do this crazy idea Jul 28 02:42:16 who was it that was talking about building the QT .. Jul 28 02:45:45 as it is, it looks like we build qt, and then use the libraries from the doctor anyway Jul 28 02:52:18 ok, so, libhal might just work if it were built, although it's not obvious if there's anything beyond a standard libhal. libaffinity could be ifdef'd, not sure what's in libqpalm Jul 28 02:55:38 ok, so, basically, the CE Luna will attempt to startup, except that Qt blows up with "Failed to load platform plugin "palm"" Jul 28 02:55:50 Which is libqpalm Jul 28 02:56:29 so since that blows up, the whole thing dies Jul 28 02:57:53 CRITICAL **: virtual void WebAppManager::onDisconnected() (338). Remote server disconnected. Exiting... Jul 28 02:59:05 * rrix gives up and doctors his test touchpad **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 28 02:59:59 2012