**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 19 03:00:02 2012 Aug 19 04:23:04 anyone here know a way to packet-sniff a touchpad? Aug 19 04:23:49 EricBlade: do you mean packet sniff the TP itself or packet sniff WITH the TP Aug 19 04:24:08 i need to verify that the touchpad is or is not sending out packets that match exactly what i think i'm sending out Aug 19 04:25:20 I use backtrack for that sort of thing Aug 19 04:25:26 ? Aug 19 04:25:43 it's technically packet interception Aug 19 06:31:17 EricBlade, bug #65? what is that? Aug 19 06:33:01 ka6sox: is that the one i filed last night? Aug 19 06:34:12 yes, I don't see a description, so I'm not understanding ti. Aug 19 06:34:16 er it. Aug 19 06:34:19 if so, it's a luna restart when sideswiping with no apps open Aug 19 06:34:39 probably new since infinite card i'm guessing Aug 19 06:34:49 ah Aug 19 06:34:54 so it does happen Aug 19 06:34:57 ah, okay I didn't see description so didn't understand it. Aug 19 06:35:08 ericblade: I hate to do this to you Aug 19 06:35:09 i described it. in verse. Aug 19 06:35:12 but I'm hitting the floor Aug 19 06:35:18 so I should probably hit the sack Aug 19 06:36:01 * ka6sox is blind! Aug 19 06:36:09 of course. Aug 19 06:36:12 but I'm also going to try to hit the ground, running, tomorrow. Both with your bugs and that one. I think I know where it lies. Aug 19 06:36:37 your app, I don't know, but lunace, I think I know where it is, just need to figure out how to fix it Aug 19 06:37:08 LarrySteeze, did you see the one I hit earlier today? Aug 19 06:37:09 probably an easy fix actually, just need to add a check for active or minimized cards Aug 19 06:37:23 ka6sox: I saw what you were saying, but I couldn't replicate it Aug 19 06:37:41 fluid enabled Aug 19 06:38:13 upswipe from bezel edge to center to bezel edge in one motion...no finger lift Aug 19 06:38:27 so up and then down. Aug 19 06:38:58 leaves app defocused and just type/QC up Aug 19 06:39:43 again Aug 19 06:39:45 can't get it to replicate Aug 19 06:40:11 wierd... Aug 19 06:40:15 shifty was able to Aug 19 06:40:22 I'm even doing figure 8's on the screen Aug 19 06:40:26 trying everything Aug 19 06:40:40 I was playing with it... Aug 19 06:40:53 upswipe from bottom bezel to center of screen to side bezel with no finger lift, right? Aug 19 06:41:00 no Aug 19 06:41:10 then I'm doing it wrong Aug 19 06:41:31 bottom to centre to bottom Aug 19 06:41:52 aha Aug 19 06:41:55 I see that Aug 19 06:42:01 know what's funny about it? Aug 19 06:42:13 * ka6sox waits for it Aug 19 06:42:17 that's something I'd actually like to call a feature, not a bug Aug 19 06:42:25 even though it's accidental Aug 19 06:42:41 heh Aug 19 06:42:45 seriously Aug 19 06:42:55 I miss the wave bar, and it's somewhat of a suitable replacement Aug 19 06:42:56 you and shifty think alike Aug 19 06:43:09 just document it.... Aug 19 06:43:14 except when you open another app Aug 19 06:43:19 from the bar Aug 19 06:43:28 it leaves a strange area on the bottom Aug 19 06:43:44 and shifts the app up a bit (doesn't open virtual keyboard either) Aug 19 06:43:47 have to be able to dismiss QC/JT Aug 19 06:43:58 and put focus back on app. Aug 19 06:44:08 yeah Aug 19 06:44:15 it also did some strange card stuff Aug 19 06:44:23 I'll have to look into this one too Aug 19 06:44:35 shifty and I were talking about re-introducing the wave bar anyway Aug 19 06:44:37 the best one I saw today.... Aug 19 06:45:03 Full screen app in BG...cardview with infinite cycling in front of that. Aug 19 06:46:13 I believe that's what I just experienced Aug 19 06:46:31 no longer a feature Aug 19 06:46:48 that's a friggin millipede Aug 19 06:47:00 I had to luna restart Aug 19 06:47:38 wheee... Aug 19 06:49:01 want me to write it up? Aug 19 06:49:17 I can in the morning Aug 19 06:49:26 I can't right now. I need sleep Aug 19 06:49:32 I can... Aug 19 06:49:39 I just woke up from a nap. Aug 19 06:53:29 ok Aug 19 06:54:32 ka6sox: full screen app in background, with cardview in front? sounds like someone implemented active wallpapers. Aug 19 06:55:33 ericblade: we technically got active walpapers working 2 years ago Aug 19 06:56:06 it was just a battery hog with a constantly rendering/changing wallpaper Aug 19 06:56:34 I mean like battery gone in hours Aug 19 07:02:01 so, it was like owning a Pre2? Aug 19 07:02:13 :0 Aug 19 07:03:12 yup Aug 19 07:03:33 okay...I need to *attempt* to get back on a "normal" schedule... Aug 19 07:03:58 since I can't spell today Aug 19 13:13:13 morning all Aug 19 13:22:11 good morning Aug 19 14:57:55 ShiftyAxel: I'll try your fix in a few min Aug 19 14:58:04 cheers pc-world Aug 19 14:59:58 ShiftyAxel: which repo is 9a75b98bfe in? Aug 19 15:00:03 /branch Aug 19 15:00:22 features Aug 19 15:00:34 has another couple of fixes in it too Aug 19 15:00:43 oops, I forgot to F5 the commits Aug 19 15:04:45 * pc-world is compiling... Aug 19 15:08:16 sweet, good luck Aug 19 15:09:04 ShiftyAxel: did you commit the binary? Aug 19 15:09:12 LarrySteeze: no, not yet Aug 19 15:09:15 ah Aug 19 15:09:20 I was hoping to do a bit more bugfixing first Aug 19 15:09:24 I was wondering why he was compiling :P Aug 19 15:09:34 perhaps see what I can do about the smilies/@.com keys Aug 19 15:09:44 I think we should remove them Aug 19 15:09:55 people use smiles too much :D Aug 19 15:11:06 manually typed smilies without - noses are fine in my book :P Aug 19 15:11:21 for some reason the - repulses me Aug 19 15:12:10 replusses or repulses? Aug 19 15:12:46 I don't like smilies with "-" in the middle either ^^ Aug 19 15:12:53 Luna rebooting... Aug 19 15:12:57 *restarting Aug 19 15:14:48 LOL - did you break something or was it me? :P screenshots following Aug 19 15:17:20 http://www.abload.de/img/unknown_2012-19-08_17rirsw.png Aug 19 15:17:20 http://www.abload.de/img/unknown_2012-19-08_17hxr5i.png Aug 19 15:17:20 http://www.abload.de/img/unknown_2012-19-08_1716ofv.png Aug 19 15:19:01 did you clobber first? Aug 19 15:19:11 no Aug 19 15:19:34 that's happened to me a few times, most often the result of the builder getting confused because I hadn't clobbered after switching branches Aug 19 15:19:37 I just git pulled, then compiled and pushed the binary Aug 19 15:20:08 I didn't switch any branches, but considering the time it took, one might assume that it recompiled everything Aug 19 15:21:26 it's definately done something wrong though :p Aug 19 15:21:56 same thing after Luna restart, I'll remove the object files and recompile Aug 19 15:22:51 umm... these binaries severely increase the repository size... any reason you include them in the repo? Aug 19 15:23:31 (it's pretty unusual that the binary result is included in a git repo) Aug 19 15:25:08 it was rwhitby's idea, it's so I can push up a release candidate binary for people to easily test with Aug 19 15:25:25 it isn't updated every commit though Aug 19 15:26:11 ShiftyAxel: you could use github's download feature instead Aug 19 15:26:34 (afaik you can upload files to the "downloads" page) Aug 19 15:49:53 ShiftyAxel: Luna works fine now; though I've a problem since yesterday, so I can't test your bug fix right now: no gestures are recognized anymore, no matter what "gesture detection" is set to... any ideas? Aug 19 15:50:22 (upswipe and "side bezel gestures" don't work) Aug 19 15:55:35 hm Aug 19 15:55:51 have a poke around in Screen&Lock, see if advanced gestures is enabled, try toggling it on and odd Aug 19 15:55:57 s/odd/off/ Aug 19 15:55:57 ShiftyAxel meant: have a poke around in Screen&Lock, see if advanced gestures is enabled, try toggling it on and off Aug 19 16:01:30 ShiftyAxel: oh, it was disabled for some reason, thx Aug 19 16:03:05 ShiftyAxel: #57 seems to be fixed ow Aug 19 16:03:06 *now Aug 19 16:03:37 pc-world: excellent, i'll note it :) Aug 19 16:04:02 * ShiftyAxel closes #57 Aug 19 16:04:29 ShiftyAxel: it's fun closing bugs, isn't it? :D Aug 19 16:04:36 sure is :) Aug 19 16:05:18 shouldn't status be "closed"? Because if status == "resolved", it still shows up in "View all open issues" Aug 19 16:34:28 resolved is what he does...I make it closed : Aug 19 16:34:29 :D Aug 19 16:34:41 (gives me something to do :D) Aug 19 16:37:44 lol Aug 19 20:14:06 appstache: you still around? Aug 19 20:14:47 what is your wiki username? Aug 19 20:15:49 You should be promoted. Let me know if it works. Aug 19 20:21:18 hey LarrySteeze Aug 19 20:21:21 what's up man? Aug 19 20:21:57 yo Aug 19 20:23:07 It worked, all good here. Aug 19 20:25:55 Great! Aug 19 20:43:10 https://twitter.com/LarrySteeze/status/237287426001887233 Aug 19 20:44:23 i wish i had design skills :/ Aug 19 21:34:34 the first logo kinda looks like the Turkish flag ^^ Aug 19 21:36:35 pretty much anything w/ a crescent moon can be argued that it looks "kinda" like the Turkish flag Aug 19 21:39:54 probably :P Aug 19 21:39:54 though that shouldn't mean the the logo was bad Aug 19 22:02:30 my entry's up :) Aug 19 22:02:31 http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/LogoContest#Submissions Aug 19 22:09:44 btw, who invented the moon for Luna? was it ka6sox-away? Aug 19 22:10:22 o.o palm Aug 19 22:10:24 I know the moon is the standard icon of webOS apps... but apparently all submissions contain the moon as well Aug 19 22:10:27 it's been around since webOs 1.0 Aug 19 22:10:41 it kinda makes sense given the name Aug 19 22:10:41 it's a moon because it's luna Aug 19 22:10:52 I took the name (and the icon) and ran with it Aug 19 22:11:43 "In ancient Roman religion and myth, Luna is the divine embodiment of the Moon" Aug 19 22:11:43 oops, didn't know that Aug 19 22:11:59 so it was the Romans ^^ Aug 19 22:12:23 well...the romans invented that the moon was luna sure Aug 19 22:12:25 but not the icon Aug 19 22:13:20 I only knew the icon was the default one for apps Aug 19 22:31:31 yay! Aug 19 22:33:53 hi baboo Aug 19 22:34:02 hi Aug 19 22:34:22 http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/LogoContest Aug 19 22:35:22 make your account and come back here. Aug 19 22:38:16 okay, please promote me. my username is baboo Aug 19 22:40:00 okay Baboo...you are now human (I can verify this) Aug 19 22:40:23 :D Aug 19 22:40:33 follow the rest of the directions and upload your entry. Aug 19 22:42:31 so who wants to promote me Aug 19 22:42:37 I will Aug 19 22:42:42 i'm actually a robot. is that ok? Aug 19 22:42:45 username? Aug 19 22:42:50 fxspec06 Aug 19 22:42:59 fxspec06, I highly doubt that.... Aug 19 22:43:05 lol Aug 19 22:44:03 beepboop Aug 19 22:44:29 fxspec06, you are promoted Aug 19 22:44:44 from unknown entity to human Aug 19 22:45:37 they don't let me handle code...so the best I can do is promote people on the wiki.... Aug 19 22:46:27 you'd probably be useful if we had any punch-card related incidents as well Aug 19 22:46:38 ka6sox-away: can you retweet? https://twitter.com/LarrySteeze/status/237287426001887233 Aug 19 22:47:06 true....no Hanging Chads here! Aug 19 22:47:17 awesome. Aug 19 22:47:26 * ShiftyAxel retweets too Aug 19 22:49:02 time for some more minor luna hacking before bed i think... Aug 19 22:49:07 has to be 200px jpeg? Aug 19 22:49:30 * ShiftyAxel uploaded a 128x128png… only so much source material Aug 19 22:49:46 it goes on the TP and on the CE page Aug 19 22:50:00 so 128px for webpage and 64X64 for TP Aug 19 22:50:35 user:Baboo's is TP sized Aug 19 22:52:24 winner. hands down http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/File:Fxspec06.png Aug 19 22:53:44 anyone up for testing a new build of LunaCE? Aug 19 22:53:47 bugfixes ahoy Aug 19 22:54:04 fxspec06, can you shrink that to 64X64? Aug 19 22:55:54 ya, looks decent too Aug 19 22:56:25 can you reupload as 64X64? Aug 19 22:57:39 but then it'd upscale to the thumnail preview? Aug 19 22:58:51 the issue imho is to make it readable @64X64 Aug 19 22:59:21 it doesn't upscale either, baboo's shows up as 64x64 Aug 19 22:59:34 his is 64X64 Aug 19 22:59:52 done Aug 19 23:00:18 ah, it keeps both versions Aug 19 23:00:34 ShiftyAxel, can can you resubmit as 64X64? Aug 19 23:00:40 (or send a scaled one)? Aug 19 23:00:47 ka6sox: sure Aug 19 23:01:11 actually we should submit 2 each.... Aug 19 23:01:21 one larger (128X128 and one 64X64) Aug 19 23:01:31 that's cool. i liek that idea Aug 19 23:01:39 the larger for the wiki and smaller for page.... Aug 19 23:01:47 launcher Aug 19 23:02:45 that sounds good to me, can we make them display side-by-side? Aug 19 23:02:52 ya Aug 19 23:02:57 big/little Aug 19 23:04:14 I was more asking 'how?' :P Aug 19 23:04:21 I don't know markdown-fu Aug 19 23:05:01 just put them on the same line [[file:foobig.png]][[file:foosmall.png]] Aug 19 23:07:37 does not work Aug 19 23:07:49 then put a space inbetween them Aug 19 23:07:51 that should work Aug 19 23:08:53 aha.. Aug 19 23:08:54 I see Aug 19 23:08:59 just let me fix that Aug 19 23:09:02 We'll need to make sure we get in touch with the existing submitters Aug 19 23:09:50 *foom* Aug 19 23:09:56 okay, carry on ka6sox :p Aug 19 23:11:22 I'm thinking about changing my twitter tagline to "I am homebrew." o.o and let people guess whether I mean homebrew computer stuff or homebrew beer Aug 19 23:11:25 both would be right Aug 19 23:13:37 okay gentlemen, LSM testing binary is being pushed up to woce/LunaSysMgr/bin/LunaSysMgr now Aug 19 23:14:09 anyone who wants to help out and expedit this release, feel free :) Aug 19 23:18:51 everytime you upload a binary, the total repository size grows about 4MB... Aug 19 23:19:01 yup Aug 19 23:19:12 i.e. after 10 releases the repository is over 40MB Aug 19 23:19:36 afaik curl, whose repository is older than 10 years, is only about 30MB Aug 19 23:20:14 hmm, this is a bad thing Aug 19 23:20:30 is there any way to get rid of the previous binaries that it seems to be building up? Aug 19 23:20:42 this is because of the way packaging currently works. Aug 19 23:20:43 ShiftyAxel: only by rewriting the history Aug 19 23:21:03 ka6sox-away: well, couldn't you host the binaries somewhere else? e.g. on the github downloads page Aug 19 23:21:09 no Aug 19 23:21:17 that isn't our intention Aug 19 23:21:52 this is an artifact of the way packaging curently works...we can work out a different way to solve this. Aug 19 23:22:34 ...if you necessarily need git for the build system, you could use a seperate repo for the binaries Aug 19 23:23:00 brb, back to "hardcore cooking" Aug 19 23:23:35 pc-world, ideally what would happen is the autobuilder would build LunaCE from scratch with the changes. Aug 19 23:24:08 but the build system to create that binary is not currently implemented in the AB Aug 19 23:24:33 ka6sox-away: I think that's the way other projects are built in the WebOS Internals repo... would there be any bigger obstacles to implement this? Aug 19 23:24:56 this follows the current WIDK strategy... Aug 19 23:25:24 however, unlike the widk apps which haven't had very much action this one has... Aug 19 23:26:11 I will get with the AB folks when they have time and see what we can do about integrating this into the AB strategy. Aug 19 23:26:53 well, in the worst case this could be simply "git clone && cd && make" :D Aug 19 23:29:10 (when cloning, and this is probably even compressed, the repo is already 14.80 MiB) Aug 19 23:32:28 yes, I know. Aug 19 23:32:47 and I will get with the AB folks to see what we can do about building it automagically. Aug 19 23:36:52 fxspec06, baboo, ShiftyAxel just put them on 2 lines Aug 19 23:37:27 ka6sox: done Aug 19 23:40:02 i did that too Aug 19 23:43:09 ka6sox-away: done Aug 19 23:45:54 fission mailed \o/ Aug 19 23:46:55 okay now everyone is on an even footing Aug 19 23:47:01 I've made them all the same. Aug 19 23:48:05 ShiftyAxel, don't be sending me any Sr90 Aug 19 23:48:36 the postman just blew up… it will probably take a while for the fallout to reach you Aug 19 23:48:37 ] Aug 19 23:55:42 * ka6sox-away checks the jetstream forecast for the next 48hrs Aug 19 23:56:05 ShiftyAxel, if its a groundburst I'm okay.... Aug 20 00:00:03 EricBlade, I agree the new Dashboard widgets need to be done...How do we promote that development? Aug 20 00:01:30 mac dashboard widgets? Aug 20 00:01:37 no Aug 20 00:01:45 webOS dashboard widgets Aug 20 00:01:46 :( Aug 20 00:01:50 heh Aug 20 00:01:58 dashboard on webos? Aug 20 00:02:18 yes Aug 20 00:04:18 I had an idea for a 'widget card' for such things a while back Aug 20 00:04:45 it's kinda like tweaks in that it scans a folder and outputs stuff Aug 20 00:04:53 but it outputs enyo widgets instead of settings Aug 20 00:06:25 oh, cool Aug 20 00:07:35 ka6sox-away, you're awfully talkative for being away ;) Aug 20 00:08:14 :D Aug 20 00:08:30 RagingMind, bettah? Aug 20 00:10:45 Yup Aug 20 00:22:58 ka6sox-here: hmm. well, i suppose the first task would be to actually write something. Aug 20 00:23:06 the double sized dashes might be useful there Aug 20 00:23:13 but i think people want them more accessible Aug 20 00:23:47 EricBlade, sounds good...what can we do to help? Aug 20 00:25:17 well, i guess first thing would be to find out if HP has any thoughts on that, since implementing a major feature like that would probably be best with some input Aug 20 00:25:35 and then figure out a best way to make it work, i have zero experience with android on the matter Aug 20 00:25:47 android? Aug 20 00:27:38 functional widget type things Aug 20 00:35:18 ah Aug 20 00:35:36 I wouldn't say contact HP on this one, they seem to be fairly hands-off where CE is concerned Aug 20 00:36:05 a dashboard notification is basically a small div/HTML area, right? Aug 20 00:37:50 if that's the case and it can handle enyo widgets, just expose it's height via appinfo.json and give developers an option to not close the notification on tap Aug 20 00:38:34 though i'm guessing it's probably more complicated than that Aug 20 00:43:28 we also need a way to manage 'startup apps', that way we can have dash widgets that appear on startup Aug 20 00:43:48 alternatively, hijack the notification area and rewrite it into a 'widget area' with it's own APIs and suchlike Aug 20 00:44:23 so LsBus notifications and other API.... Aug 20 00:44:25 nice Aug 20 00:47:36 morning HaDAk Aug 20 00:47:54 Yo. Aug 20 00:48:04 So, are we ready to do widgets now? Aug 20 00:48:15 yes, have you tested them in the latest release? Aug 20 00:48:19 morning all Aug 20 00:48:28 You made them? Aug 20 00:48:46 * rwhitby just packages and releases stuff other people make Aug 20 00:48:46 Like I was trying to do? Aug 20 00:49:11 HaDAk, we are having the discussion about how to do that/ Aug 20 00:49:34 the idea I had (with no way of implementing myself) for widget type things is to have a widget "drawer" in the launcher Aug 20 00:49:51 we shouldn't copy what other are doing... Aug 20 00:49:53 so the widgets are used exclusively inside the launcher? Aug 20 00:49:56 our own unique way Aug 20 00:50:17 dunno, having a widget drawer in the launcher would be unique if they never left it Aug 20 00:50:45 somebody mentioned rss in the notifications... Aug 20 00:50:49 What about that mock up I found online? Aug 20 00:51:00 That seemed awfully webosish Aug 20 00:51:10 HaDAk, can you repost that? Aug 20 00:51:15 * ka6sox-here missed it Aug 20 00:51:25 it seemed cool, but my issue with it was the lack of space Aug 20 00:51:30 Give me a few minutes. My computer isn't on Aug 20 00:51:32 since the cards take up most of the view Aug 20 00:52:08 ShiftyAxel: you can do that already via the existing apis. though the dashboards can't get keyboard input, but widgets can't in android, either Aug 20 00:52:13 I was thinking kinda like the enyo sliding panes vertical style. when the divider is pulled up you see apps, when down you have a "drawer" of widgets Aug 20 00:52:55 and yeah, i didn't mean specifically about CE, though, because this is something that i would assume would be applicable to the future as well Aug 20 00:53:01 but you'd always have your main launcher/dock row Aug 20 00:53:02 EricBlade: keyboard input would be cool if we could wangle it Aug 20 00:53:15 ShiftyAxel: first we need to wangle the keyboard into working right to begin with :) Aug 20 00:53:26 good point :P Aug 20 00:53:42 RagingMind: QL Bar? or launcher launcher? Aug 20 00:53:53 that row at the bottom Aug 20 00:53:59 QL Aug 20 00:54:02 yeah Aug 20 00:54:21 interesting idea Aug 20 00:54:31 where do I find the change log for Luna CE again? Aug 20 00:55:22 RagingMind: so you would pull the QL up to reveal the widget panel? Aug 20 00:55:43 i kinda like that idea Aug 20 00:56:15 kinda... I'm not good at the words to explain things I'm thinking Aug 20 00:56:15 me too, but that would make the launcher paradigm a bit confusing Aug 20 00:56:35 since it already has a button on the QL and is brought up with vertical gestures Aug 20 00:56:49 http://www.webosnation.com/sites/webosnation.com/files/resource_images/j/jose-b.jpg Aug 20 00:56:58 only so much one can do without adding actual on screen controls to do thingsl ol Aug 20 00:57:05 ka6sox-here^^ Aug 20 00:57:35 yeah that idea i think is more what i would lean towards, HaDAk Aug 20 00:58:01 ShiftyAxel, I was thinking more like the row of tabs in the launcher page would have a little grabby thing on the side, and you could slide it down where it'd rest on top of the QL bar Aug 20 00:58:20 ooh i see Aug 20 00:58:24 Also, I was talking multiple apps view http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/903885/PreSpecs_medium.jpg Aug 20 00:58:29 then you could pull it up for your apps, or just tap on the tab name and go right to that page Aug 20 00:58:42 okay lets do eet! Aug 20 00:58:54 that looks very cool. Aug 20 00:58:59 widget deck Aug 20 00:59:04 HaDAk: that's been on the ideas hub for a while with speculation on how to activate and manage it. me and LarrySteeze have been cooking up some neat ideas. Aug 20 00:59:12 I would lean toward widget deck too myself Aug 20 00:59:22 though space is still an issue Aug 20 00:59:24 probably wouldn't work so well on phones though. Aug 20 00:59:31 No drawer. Just a line of them at the top that you can scroll through. Aug 20 00:59:40 right..I like that one Aug 20 00:59:46 Just make cards smaller and push them down if there are widgets Aug 20 00:59:59 I kinda like my card view uncluttered Aug 20 01:00:08 how does this sound Aug 20 01:00:13 Good thing you can turn it on and off Aug 20 01:00:16 on phones that are the the ones we see now I don't see that as an issue. Aug 20 01:00:17 cards are there as normal Aug 20 01:00:24 widgets are initially hidden Aug 20 01:00:34 err...who pinged me? Aug 20 01:00:43 me, sorry Aug 20 01:00:54 swipe down to show the widgets Aug 20 01:01:08 no widgets! Aug 20 01:01:15 some touch-based way of adjusting how much space is given to widgets/cards Aug 20 01:01:19 we have a better method,. Aug 20 01:01:21 Nah. Leave them all there. Have the option to turn them off Aug 20 01:01:46 I <3 Weather Widget on my TP Aug 20 01:01:51 I like my widgets big and with lots of info, how am I meant to scan through a list of RSS articles with THAT? Aug 20 01:02:07 * ShiftyAxel has been spoiled a little by android Aug 20 01:02:15 ShiftyAxel, that sounds like something that should be an app :P Aug 20 01:02:51 widgets are lightweight...apps are meatier. Aug 20 01:02:58 granted, that one works better as a card Aug 20 01:03:14 I prefer the way it is implemented in the mockup. We should work toward that and can make changes later. Give options. Aug 20 01:03:44 we should continue to discuss it until we arrive at a workable compromise Aug 20 01:06:23 on a side note, I love Appstache's LunaCE icon Aug 20 01:06:49 there's also the small issue of how dismissing cards will look with the widgets up the top like that, they'll have to fly over them Aug 20 01:07:15 card view is a sacred area... Aug 20 01:08:09 unless one person is going to implement it, and then show it to us when they are done, we do probably need to have some discussion. Aug 20 01:08:23 I love how simple the task switching metaphor is, and adding things to that view could easily ruin that if it's not done with care Aug 20 01:09:04 agreed Aug 20 01:09:38 though there is definately excess space in card view… I was thinking about adding little pagination dots in the space under the cards at some point Aug 20 01:09:50 that way the UI would remain minimal, but be more functional Aug 20 01:10:08 so you'd know how many card/stacks were to either side? Aug 20 01:10:17 yeah Aug 20 01:10:17 ] Aug 20 01:10:32 I was thinking perhaps represent them as tiny cards Aug 20 01:10:39 that way stacks could be done too Aug 20 01:11:32 the other thought I just had is some sort of mirrored iOS thing, where rather than a slide-up multi-tasking option, you could maybe 2-finger slide up from below the dock, and open a widget drawer Aug 20 01:11:36 I'd love that on my current TP, but with scroll/card wraping that's a little less important Aug 20 01:11:52 imagine dropping that mock-up into a hidden drawer that shifts the bottom dock up Aug 20 01:12:16 (near where the notifcation drawer was in 2.x) Aug 20 01:12:35